Author Topic: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!) (Read 3946 times)

The Fake Shemp · « **on:** May 19, 2010, 10:52:23 AM »

Fringe

[youtube=560,345]sn1g7ZeIS8M[/youtube]

Lost still sucks.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #1 on:** May 19, 2010, 10:55:20 AM »

Holy shit at Action Hero Nimoy

And no doubt Fringe > LOST

Alt Olivia is so fucking cute

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #2 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:00:46 AM »

I'm still on the fence about whether or not Nimoy is evil. The show hasn't given any indication on why the other Fringe team was at the park, unless they were tipped off.

What I loved about this finale is that Walter basically assembled the X-Men to crossover, and how the writers have been able to juggle two sets of characters without making one side good and one side evil. You can totally justify the other world's actions; in fact, everything has been our side's fault so far.

EDIT: Blue, who would you bang - blonde Olivia or red hair Olivia? The red haired Olivia seems like she's cockier, probably better in bed too.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #3 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:03:42 AM »

is this the third season?

i havent watched at all so i'll probs just catch up later

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #4 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:05:34 AM »

Second season. Has it even been renewed? I wonder if this is the series finale.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #5 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:10:04 AM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:00:46 AM

I'm still on the fence about whether or not Nimoy is evil. The show hasn't given any indication on why the other Fringe team was at the park, unless they were tipped off.

What I loved about this finale is that Walter basically assembled the X-Men to crossover, and how the writers have been able to juggle two sets of characters without making one side good and one side evil. You can totally justify the other world's actions; in fact, everything has been our side's fault so far.

EDIT: Blue, who would you bang - blonde Olivia or red hair Olivia? The red haired Olivia seems like she's cockier, probably better in bed too.

Definitely Ginger Olivia. Blonde Olivia comes off as extremely dense (well, any scenarios that isn't about mutated killers), hate that shit.

On another note, I love that piece of Alt Dimension propaganda (with the machine and Peter's face which is spewing fire from his eyes). Its so creepy.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #6 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:13:07 AM »

Did you catch the bus stop poster for new season of alterna-universe's The West Wing? I wonder if that's some kind of inside joke with the writing staff.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #7 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:25:09 AM »

Also, what's the deal with alterna-Charlie's "condition"? I hope they're going to let us see what happens after all this build-up.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #8 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:28:16 AM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:13:07 AM

Did you catch the bus stop poster for new season of alterna-universe's The West Wing? I wonder if that's some kind of inside joke with the writing staff.

I missed that (and I remember the Bus scene too) Gotta rewatch it.

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:25:09 AM

Also, what's the deal with alterna-Charlie's "condition"? I hope they're going to let us see what happens after all this build-up.

What was he calling it, "arachnids"? It seems like they were using it as a way to make the alt universe weirder but it would be awesome of they revealed what the hell it is.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #9 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:30:39 AM »

I kind of hope he vomits spiders or something bizarre like that.

... Yeah, there was a poster for The West Wing that read something like, "RE-ELECTED FOR A NEW SEASON!"

Diunx · « **Reply #10 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:41:37 AM »

The only good thing that J.J. Abrams has done in his life.

Fringe

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #11 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:42:15 AM »

Science-fiction

Spirituality

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #12 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:44:25 AM »

I agree with all three of the posts above me.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #13 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:47:58 AM »

I've been watching it off and on, not nearly as much as I know I should. Keep forgetting when it comes on. $:-\$

And yet I watch every episode of Lost like clockwork. $:-\$ $:-\$

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:48:03 AM »

I think you'd like it. It's like The X-Files meets Dr. Who, a very cool blend. The caveat is that the first half of the first season is a bit of a chore; the show didn't find its identity until the second half (I think you might be able to find a thread from years ago where I was pretty much ready to dump the show five episodes in). And then it's off to the races.

It follows The X-Files in season structure, with main storyline mythos dispersed between "monster of the week" episodes. I like it quite a bit. I thought the episode two weeks back, "Northwest Passage", was a very genuine and heartfelt tip of the cap to Chris Carter.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #15 on:** May 19, 2010, 11:51:42 AM »

Nothing from Lost has topped the last shot from Fringe's season finale last year. So good. Don't watch it if you hate spoilers:

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Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #16 on:** May 19, 2010, 12:04:01 PM »

you have piqued my interest in your championing of this television series

alas, it is not available via netflix streaming

i know where it is available, though

Junpei the Tracer! · « **Reply #17 on:** May 19, 2010, 12:29:26 PM »

I couldn't watch this season cuz the comedy shows and Supernatural all came on at the same time. Had to give up one. Looking forward to the season coming out.

ManaByte · « **Reply #18 on:** May 19, 2010, 12:36:41 PM »

Everyone in this thread must buy the Season 1 BluRay as it's ONLY $25.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #19 on:** May 19, 2010, 01:29:00 PM »

Quote from: ManaByte on May 19, 2010, 12:36:41 PM

Everyone in this thread must buy the Season 1 BluRay as it's ONLY $25.

Where?

ManaByte · « **Reply #20 on:** May 19, 2010, 01:33:15 PM »

Well, it was. Got it at Walmart for $25 a couple weeks ago.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #21 on:** May 19, 2010, 01:35:04 PM »

Quote from: ManaByte on May 19, 2010, 01:33:15 PM

Well, it was. Got it at Walmart for $25 a couple weeks ago.

Oh. I checked Amazon and saw that it was $40. I don't shop at Walmart, so that's out of the question.

Yeti · « **Reply #22 on:** May 19, 2010, 07:04:16 PM »

I got my season one blu ray on amazon for $20 around when it first came out, if you're patient it will probably drop price again.

bachikarn · « **Reply #23 on:** May 19, 2010, 07:26:25 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:51:42 AM

Nothing from Lost has topped the last shot from Fringe's season finale last year. So good. Don't watch it if you hate spoilers:

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[youtube=560,345]p_go1SU1oJ0[/youtube]
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Really? I had no drive to watch an episode this season because of that distinguished mentally-challenged cliff hanger. It was like exactly like the end of season 1 in lost when you see the hatch just leads to a giant hole.

ManaByte · « **Reply #24 on:** May 19, 2010, 07:54:03 PM »

The Walternate universe is pretty cool.

Eric Stoltz starred in Back to the Future there.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #25 on:** May 19, 2010, 08:40:10 PM »

Quote from: bachikarn on May 19, 2010, 07:26:25 PM

Really? I had no drive to watch an episode this season because of that distinguished mentally-challenged cliff hanger. It was like exactly like the end of season 1 in lost when you see the hatch just leads to a giant hole.

Guh? It was pretty awesome, and the show is better for it. Unlike Lost, I've never felt the writers were, pardon the pun, lost. If this was a Lost production, we'd find out about Peter's origins sometime in Season 4... after it had been dragged out forever.

I thought it was funny that MLK is on the $20 bill in the alternate universe.

ManaByte · « **Reply #26 on:** May 19, 2010, 08:52:07 PM »

And Nixon on the half dollar.

"Who's Jefferson?"

That who's Jefferson comment makes even more sense when you know that the map of the US in Walternate's office lists Louisiana as "Louisiana Territory".

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #27 on:** May 19, 2010, 08:55:50 PM »

Yeah. By the way, the shot from the cold open, where the camera moves through the sun roof and then pulls out to reveal the alternate universe skyline (with zeppelins!) - and the accompanying Michael Giacchino score - was totally awesome.

I do wish the Walter Bishop school of X-Men wasn't so short-lived. :'(

Diunx · « **Reply #28 on:** May 19, 2010, 09:20:31 PM »

Did you guys notice the "first people" during the alternate opening last week? apparently thats going to be a future plot line.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #29 on:** May 19, 2010, 09:35:58 PM »

Quote from: bachikarn on May 19, 2010, 07:26:25 PM

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
Nothing from Lost has topped the last shot from Fringe's season finale last year. So good. Don't watch it if you hate spoilers:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[youtube=560,345]p_go1SU1oJ0[/youtube]
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Really? I had no drive to watch an episode this season because of that distinguished mentally-challenged cliff hanger. It was like exactly like the end of season 1 in lost when you see the hatch just leads to a giant hole.

Haven't seen S1 of Fringe since it aired, but

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I don't think the whole alternate universe thing really materialized until the last few episodes of the season. In LOST they were jacking us off with the hatch for literally over half of the season

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edit: Sorry about the untagged spoiler

ManaByte · « **Reply #30 on:** May 19, 2010, 09:48:04 PM »

I want a MP3 of the 1985 alternate opening theme.

bachikarn · « **Reply #31 on:** May 19, 2010, 10:31:38 PM »

Quote from: OptimoPeach on May 19, 2010, 09:35:58 PM

Quote from: bachikarn on May 19, 2010, 07:26:25 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
Nothing from Lost has topped the last shot from Fringe's season finale last year. So good. Don't watch it if you hate spoilers:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[youtube=560,345]p_go1SU1oJ0[/youtube]
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Really? I had no drive to watch an episode this season because of that distinguished mentally-challenged cliff hanger. It was like exactly like the end of season 1 in lost when you see the hatch just leads to a giant hole.
Haven't seen S1 of Fringe since it aired, but I don't think the whole alternate universe thing really materialized until the last few episodes of the season. In LOST they were jacking us off with the hatch for literally over half of the season

I thought they brought that stuff up mid-season. I remember them hyping up the meeting with Lenard Nemoy's character, and the final scene was just him saying hi.

chronovore · « **Reply #32 on:** May 20, 2010, 12:15:57 PM »

I'm up to s.2, ep. 19 so I'm just commenting to bookmark. ALL YOUR SPOILERS, they are like LANDMINES to me. And we know how Princess Diana felt about landmines.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #33 on:** May 20, 2010, 01:39:40 PM »

Has Abrams EVER been the showrunner on Lost other than the first season? Even then?

The answer: NO. He was Executive Producer, but he pretty much didn't do too much with Lost other than help pen an episode in Season 3

It's pretty much been Lindelof since Abrams brought him on, and then Cuse starting with the second season. I don't really think he should be considered as the man behind this finale coming up.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #34 on:** May 20, 2010, 02:27:32 PM »

Quote from: Bloodwake on May 20, 2010, 01:39:40 PM

Has Abrams EVER been the showrunner on Lost other than the first season? Even then?

The answer: NO. He was Executive Producer, but he pretty much didn't do too much with Lost other than help pen an episode in Season 3

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Unhappy with the result and a subsequent rewrite, Braun contacted J. J. Abrams, who had a deal with Touchstone Television (now ABC Studios), and was also the creator of the TV series Alias, to write a new pilot script. Although initially hesitant, Abrams warmed up to the idea on the condition that the series would have a supernatural angle to it, and collaborated with Damon Lindelof to create the series' style and characters. Together, Abrams and Lindelof also created a series "bible", and conceived and detailed the major mythological ideas and plot points for an ideal four to five season run for the show.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #35 on:** May 20, 2010, 11:24:41 PM »

WALTERNATE, YOU DICK!!!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #36 on:** May 20, 2010, 11:33:02 PM »

P.S. Finale was awesome, wait until Fall will be painful.

ManaByte · « **Reply #37 on:** May 21, 2010, 01:58:34 AM »

Spock

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #38 on:** May 21, 2010, 09:15:07 AM »

Awesome swan song for Nimoy now that he's retired. I really liked him in this episode and the exchanges between Walter were pretty good. Walternate is definitely one cold blooded motherfucka.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #39 on:** May 21, 2010, 10:07:16 AM »

Yeah, it's a shame Nimoy is retired. He and Noble had pretty good chemistry together. I love how Noble can make every exchange pretty humorous, even with such a dense episode ("They have such fabulous drugs here!"). The bit about how he discovered all the secret herbs and spices killed me.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #40 on:** May 21, 2010, 10:12:00 AM »

This shot, and the camera work that followed, is still my favorite part of both episodes:

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #41 on:** May 21, 2010, 11:13:01 AM »

Bleh plot twist.

But i don't where they couldve gone anyway.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #42 on:** May 21, 2010, 11:45:37 AM »

It was predictable, but pretty well done. I liked it a lot, sets up a lot of interesting possibilities for next season. And I've really dug the groundwork the writing staff has put down.

EDIT: I think that the Fringe team is going to start to track down the rest of the Cortexifan kids, and start a school of X-Men!

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #43 on:** May 21, 2010, 12:27:28 PM »

Didn't even really feel like a twist. I definitely would have rolled my eyes if some Nolan'esque trailer music up swelled as the camera panned from Walternate to Olivia in the cell.

Though I have a feeling this situation may go on for a few episodes? next season. Unless they plan on having Gingivia really take on the role and does some Monster of the Week stuff

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #44 on:** May 21, 2010, 01:13:23 PM »

I think it will be somewhat resolved by the mid-season finale.

I'd love for the Fringe team to figure things out and use Sam Weiss: Bowling Alley Guru to train the rest of Cortexies and launch a rescue mission for Olivia. Or if Olivia discovers how to use her abilities, and "Arachnids" Charlie helps her launch an insurrection! Parallel universe civil war!

ManaByte · « **Reply #45 on:** May 21, 2010, 01:15:52 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 10:07:16 AM

Yeah, it's a shame Nimoy is retired. He and Noble had pretty good chemistry together. I love how Noble can make every exchange pretty humorous, even with such a dense episode ("They have such fabulous drugs here!"). The bit about how he discovered all the secret herbs and spices killed me.

Anything with Walter and food is always

The bit with the chili last season, the milkshake, now KFC.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #46 on:** May 21, 2010, 01:16:02 PM »

Its funny, Lost hyped things up with the whole "War is Coming" but I guess they were just inadvertently advertising for Fringe

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #47 on:** May 21, 2010, 01:18:13 PM »

O SNAP.

I like how they are still hyping war on Lost, but the island is down to like ten people that are still alive. That's not war. I don't even think that qualifies as a battle. Maybe more like a skirmish or a tussle. Hype that, ABC.

"A SKIRMISH IS COMING!"

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #48 on:** May 21, 2010, 03:02:47 PM »

Finally got all caught up. I can't believe how good this show has gotten. Probably more goodness in the last few episodes than there has been in the last two seasons of Lost

Diunx · « **Reply #49 on:** May 21, 2010, 04:05:57 PM »

The comic book covers

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #50 on:** May 21, 2010, 06:57:27 PM »

Spoilers I guess (for those who haven't caught up and watched the S2 finale)...

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A DEMON'S TWIST RUSTY = DON'T TRUST SAM WEISS

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Original post here (dont' click for spoilers)...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21400402&postcount=2362

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #51 on:** May 21, 2010, 07:22:53 PM »

I don't get it.

Why does it = that

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #52 on:** May 21, 2010, 07:25:29 PM »

But I like Sam Weiss.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #53 on:** May 21, 2010, 07:44:15 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on May 21, 2010, 07:22:53 PM

I don't get it.

Why does it = that

Whoever decoded it approached the words as an anagram

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #54 on:** May 21, 2010, 07:46:05 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 07:25:29 PM

But I like Sam Weiss.

It's written in the alternate world. Which means he is a danger for them, not "us".

Quote from: BlueTsunami on May 21, 2010, 07:44:15 PM

Quote from: WrikaWrek on May 21, 2010, 07:22:53 PM
I don't get it.

Why does it = that

Whoever decoded it approached the words as an anagram

There be some braniacs out there

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #55 on:** May 21, 2010, 07:51:38 PM »

Sorry, but comics suck in the alternate world.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #56 on:** May 21, 2010, 07:53:03 PM »

Also, Broyles mentioned that Massive Dynamic had tracked down five Cortexifan subjects and began to re-purpose their abilities, but we saw only three. Who are the other two?

Diunx · « **Reply #57 on:** May 22, 2010, 01:38:09 AM »

Why is every one talking about Weiss I don't remnber he being mentioned on this episdode.

chronovore · « **Reply #58 on:** May 22, 2010, 11:25:47 AM »

Just finished the episode. So good.

Anna Torv is really something else. She's bound for bigger things. I worry about Season 5 and 6 of this being disrupted as hollywood lures her away to larger paychecks. Her depiction of Dunham is always impressive, but taking the character such a subtly different direction and still have it so believable and consistent. Same for Noble; he's had so many variants on Walter, it's hard to know where to start praising him.

I give it one episode before they figure it out, because of the scene with our Olivia and Peter. The other side's Olivia is just not smart enough to keep up the charade and Peter is smart enough to (a) figure it out and (b) not clue in Other Olivia.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #59 on:** May 22, 2010, 11:54:26 AM »

I don't think so. Altlivia had some clue that Peter and Olivia had the hots for one another, she actually asks Olivia that directly ("Are you guys a couple?"). I don't think Peter's affections will be a surprise for her. Although, someone did point out that Altlivia's speech patterns are different; she regularly drops "g" from pronunciation (lookin' instead of looking) and is not as precise as Olivia (lots of "uh" and "um" inserted into her dialogue). Maybe Peter will pick up on that.

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Author Topic: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!) (Read 3946 times)