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Title: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: MCD on August 14, 2010, 11:15:25 AM
[youtube=560,345]olYjeeZkjP4[/youtube]
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 14, 2010, 11:29:11 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXVA_RDzxss[/youtube]

thread fixed
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: archie4208 on August 14, 2010, 11:31:13 AM
magus with the TKO.  :bow2
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 14, 2010, 11:54:47 AM
I still haven't played Super Metroid. Is it still any good? Might play it on my PSP.

The new Metroid looks too hectic.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 14, 2010, 12:03:42 PM
I still haven't played Super Metroid. Is it still any good? Might play it on my PSP.

The new Metroid looks too hectic.

Wow
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 14, 2010, 12:03:53 PM
I still haven't played Super Metroid. Is it still any good? Might play it on my PSP.

The new Metroid looks too hectic.

If you've played Shadow Complex then you've basically played Super Metroid.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 14, 2010, 12:11:02 PM
I'm a fan of Shadow Complex and the Igavania's. But I never touched Super Metroid because I'm afraid the game is worse than those two.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 14, 2010, 12:16:07 PM
It's not worse, just more of the same with SNES graphics.  If you like that style of gameplay then why not give it a shot?  The Super Metroid ROM is all over the place.  Just download it. 

Honestly, Super Metroid is only one of a handfull of 16-bit games that I'll bother going back to.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 14, 2010, 12:33:29 PM
I'm more appalled that you didnt play it oh... 10 or so years ago

Just when did you start playing the vidya?
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: naff on August 14, 2010, 12:44:38 PM
I'm a fan of Shadow Complex and the Igavania's. But I never touched Super Metroid because I'm afraid the game is worse than those two.

Super Metroid is Nintendo at the top of their game whereas Shadow Complex uses Metroids mechanics minus the brilliance. SC is good, SM is great.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Beezy on August 14, 2010, 12:51:28 PM
If you've played Shadow Complex then you've basically played Super Metroid.
:rofl
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 14, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
I'm not sure what makes Super Metroid any better than Shadow Complex other than SM being the one that invented the formula.  IMO they're basically the same damn game and this is coming from someone that's gone through Super Metroid god only knows how many times.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 14, 2010, 01:06:43 PM
I'd also like to take this time to reiterate how much I hate the Prime series.

Fuck Metroid Prime.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 14, 2010, 01:06:48 PM
Sorry, I love SC and SM poops all over it. Nothing has topped it yet. There's nothing to "get"
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 14, 2010, 01:07:55 PM
Eh.  They're interchangeable to me.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 14, 2010, 01:14:00 PM
I'd also like to take this time to reiterate how much I hate the Prime series.

Fuck Metroid Prime.

same here
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2010, 01:16:51 PM
Super Metroid is God-tier.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 14, 2010, 01:19:39 PM
Super Metroid is fucking perfection.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: MCD on August 14, 2010, 01:27:30 PM
Nostalgia talk.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2010, 01:31:45 PM
gj taking away from discussion of this KICK ASS LOOKING GAME due to crappy thread title MCD
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 14, 2010, 01:32:31 PM
I'm more appalled that you didnt play it oh... 10 or so years ago

Just when did you start playing the vidya?

Nes was my first console. I was 10 when Super Metroid came out. But I rarely played games at that time. Games were too expensive for me and my parents didn't buy me games.
I started to get into "hardcore" gaming when the Playstation came out.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2010, 01:36:08 PM
just play super metroid third. god-tier game.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 14, 2010, 01:38:09 PM
Will do. But I'll have to update my Gen-B psp, because it doesn't seem to play emulators anymore.
Haven't touched my psp since last year.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: MCD on August 14, 2010, 01:38:50 PM
gj taking away from discussion of this KICK ASS LOOKING GAME due to crappy thread title MCD
>He discuss Wii games.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 14, 2010, 01:51:57 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXVA_RDzxss[/youtube]

thread fixed

Wait, what? Did Smokey do more than one any% run? I ALWAYS thought his was 36 minutes, which is why I aimed for 36 in my own run. Where's Red Scarlet?

And nevermind. This is single segment.

edit: Jesus, Third

Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 14, 2010, 01:53:51 PM
Super Metroid and the trilogy version of Metroid Prime 1 are the cream of the crop. I guess super edges out prime because prime has some instances of backtracking for the sake of backtracking whereas super does a good job of funneling you where you need to be without it being obvious.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2010, 01:56:20 PM
super metroid > zero mission > metroid prime
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 14, 2010, 01:58:06 PM
I can live with that. Other M looks like shit though. Sakomoto apparently had a fluke success with Super. He always wanted to make it a story oriented series apparently but felt earlier tech was too restrictive. DumDum.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 14, 2010, 01:59:44 PM
other m looks great
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2010, 02:02:41 PM
I can live with that. Other M looks like shit though. Sakomoto apparently had a fluke success with Super. He always wanted to make it a story oriented series apparently but felt earlier tech was too restrictive. DumDum.

Other M looks great. Story bits aside.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 14, 2010, 02:07:43 PM
prime is awesome, yo  8)
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 14, 2010, 02:09:54 PM
Yeah, anyone praising the original Metroid in earnest is a nostalgiatard. Game blows hard. Oh gee I died, better farm life orbs for half an hour.
 :yuck
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2010, 02:10:42 PM
metroid 1 nes sucks

metroid zero mission 4 lyfe
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Positive Touch on August 14, 2010, 02:40:05 PM
zero mission fuck yeah!!  honestly i like it better just because the level design is fucking perfection.  a 100% run flows so good, and the way you can beat the game with only 4 or 5 items is brilliant.  super metroid is still the true classic because it just crushed everything else at the time (omg atmosphere).

also lol @ shadow complex being comparable to metroid goodness.  the game copies the structure but the level design blows and the combat is dull.  you don't even need some of the special items - not because of clever sequence breaking but because there's almost no place you actually need them!
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Positive Touch on August 14, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
also ban mcd
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2010, 02:45:15 PM
whether I think zero mission or super is better is dependent on my mood. Right now I'm in a Super mood, but Zero Mission is my overall favorite Metroid.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Positive Touch on August 14, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
is m.o.m. gonna have talkie-talkie?
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 14, 2010, 03:08:50 PM
Yeah, anyone praising the original Metroid in earnest is a nostalgiatard. Game blows hard. Oh gee I died, better farm life orbs for half an hour.
 :yuck

you should give this a spin :lol
(couldn't find it on a better streaming site :-\)
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/entertainment/watch/v19474913bdz55A5p
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2010, 03:12:36 PM
is m.o.m. gonna have talkie-talkie?

voice acting? unfortunately yes
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 14, 2010, 03:55:38 PM
Lol I bricked my psp while updating the firmware. Fucking metroid. 
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 14, 2010, 04:31:07 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 14, 2010, 04:32:56 PM
Lol I bricked my psp while updating the firmware. Fucking metroid. 

You can use the battery on it if its old I believe.

You should just use your PS3 controller and a PC emulator.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 14, 2010, 04:53:16 PM
I still have a phat psp. Ordered a pandora battery for €10. My psp doesn't connect to the PC at all. Don't know how I will fix this.
Good thing I rarely use the PSP otherwise I'd be very mad.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: cool breeze on August 14, 2010, 07:13:43 PM
Other M looks really automatic.  All the action is flashy but it only controls with the d-pad and two buttons, no? just makes me think of the baby modes from DMC and other action games.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: etiolate on August 14, 2010, 08:22:09 PM
I'm a fan of Shadow Complex and the Igavania's. But I never touched Super Metroid because I'm afraid the game is worse than those two.

uh Super Metroid is mandatory as a gamer
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 14, 2010, 08:25:17 PM
The game fucking ruined my PSP. Maybe the gaming Gods are punishing me for not having played the game earlier.
But I shall play it. Soon. I'm going to try the DS SNES emulator. I don't really like playing emulators on the PC.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 14, 2010, 08:38:48 PM
Isn't SNES emulation on DS still basically dead? I have the most recent version of SNEmulDS and it can't run pretty much anything, Super Metroid included
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: etiolate on August 14, 2010, 08:42:59 PM
Other M looks like a bunch of ideas that don't mesh

-classic 2d art and colors but in shiny 3d team ninja graphics in which the color palette becomes oog
-story emphasis but forgetting all rules of game narrative
-2d gameplay in 3d world via limited first person switching and forced camera switches(don't trust team ninja with cameras)


But I still keep hope alive in my little heart
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 14, 2010, 08:48:08 PM
Isn't SNES emulation on DS still basically dead? I have the most recent version of SNEmulDS and it can't run pretty much anything, Super Metroid included

That sucks. Not many options left.
I should try to get the VC shit working on the Wii. I still can't play the roms with the Homebrew channel. Going to look further into that.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 16, 2010, 11:56:25 AM
I finally got Super Metroid working on my Wii. Holy fuck does it looks bad on my HDTV. Oh well...
Also installed Majora's Mask. Going to play old games, magus style.  8)
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: cool breeze on August 25, 2010, 11:37:06 AM
the commercial

[youtube=560,345]6ruVuOI5Igo[/youtube]

pretty much trying to do what Halo 3 did
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2010, 01:54:43 PM
Well, not bad, I suppose. I was going to say that it wasn't as good as the commercial for Metroid Prime, but then I watched the MP commercial again and realized how goofy it looked and how incomprehensible the voice-over was:

[youtube=560,345]ewcljvJQAQA[/youtube]
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 25, 2010, 03:05:44 PM
Metroid II on the Gameboy is my favorite.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Bloodwake on August 25, 2010, 04:51:51 PM
Seriously, in what universe is Super Metroid not considered one of the best fucking games of all time?

Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: BlackMage on August 25, 2010, 05:07:59 PM
the music in Super Metroid is UNFFFFF.. i could listen to it all day
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2010, 05:41:08 PM
I'll never understand the Prime hate - well, for Prime 1. Amazing, beautiful game
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 25, 2010, 05:48:37 PM
it's an fps and i hate every fps
spoiler (click to show/hide)
that it's not doom,quake or timesplitters,maybe perfect dark too
[close]

simple as that :smug
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2010, 05:49:22 PM
Metroid Prime 2 had Sanctuary Fortress:

[youtube=560,345]Qu790pdFILY[/youtube]
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 25, 2010, 06:26:53 PM
Metroid Prime for the last time is not an fps.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 25, 2010, 06:44:19 PM
Metroid Prime for the last time is not an fps.

it's first person and you shoot a LOT
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 25, 2010, 06:45:52 PM
I'll never understand the Prime hate - well, for Prime 1. Amazing, beautiful game

1. scanning
2. lame backtracking
3. scanning
4. shitty controls for an fps
5. shitty visor swapping in boss battles
6. scanning
7. scanning
8. space pirate fights in the end game
9. scanning
10. it's not 2d
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: MCD on August 25, 2010, 06:53:47 PM
11. not made by japa.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Trent Dole on August 25, 2010, 07:04:02 PM
Super Metroid is godlike
Zero Mission and Fusion on GBA are both good

transmission ends.
This man is correct.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Vizzys on August 25, 2010, 07:09:44 PM
metroid prime was pretty shit imo

but i remember liking metroid 2 so my opinion sux
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 25, 2010, 07:14:56 PM
I'm tired of debating shit regarding metroid prime, so I'll just say that I loved it and leave it there
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2010, 07:15:55 PM
Metroid Prime is the defining game of our generation.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 25, 2010, 07:16:58 PM
metroid prime was pretty shit imo

but i remember liking metroid 2 so my opinion sux
You and distantmantra are terrible people. I don't even think nostalgia is an excuse for liking Metroid 2
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 25, 2010, 07:18:47 PM
It's out, btw. Getting it now.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 25, 2010, 07:20:13 PM
Impressions later please
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Trent Dole on August 25, 2010, 07:23:33 PM
Metroid Prime is the defining game of our generation.
::)
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2010, 07:25:52 PM
Metroid Prime is the defining game of our generation.
::)

:miyamoto
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 25, 2010, 07:27:32 PM
Metroid Prime is the defining game of our generation.

It is the Citizen Kane of video games.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 25, 2010, 07:29:02 PM
:rofl I remember that video
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: cool breeze on August 25, 2010, 07:32:04 PM
yeah, post impressions.

this game is coming out in a few days and I feel like the only reason I'm buying it is because of the Metroid name.  Watching videos make me less interested because it looks like a baby easy action game with animu cut scenes.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 25, 2010, 07:32:52 PM
i will say that Neon Bible>>>>>Metroid Prime
:lol
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: cool breeze on August 25, 2010, 07:42:25 PM
Metroid Prime is up there with Shenmue as games that I really like, but I can understand why people hate on them.

Metroid Prime for the last time is not an fps.

it's first person and you shoot a LOT

yeah, but it is a first person adventure game.  by removing shooter, it is easier to ignore that the combat is just 'lock on, sidestep, spam the A button'.


Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 25, 2010, 09:29:32 PM
Quote
Metroid Prime is the defining game of our generation.

i agree partly...

it certainly shows a turn point where the Japanese finally realised they'd forgotten how to make good games and turned to the experts in the west. This was the first big white flag, all hail WESTERN DEVELOPER POWER.

Our Generation will remember this as Japanese surrender to a great power!

The same publisher who turned to Retro dropped Silicon knights, factor 5, and Rare like the deadweight that they were. Argument invalidated.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2010, 09:37:46 PM
It would be more accurate to say that LucasArts dumped Factor 5.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: naff on August 25, 2010, 10:16:04 PM
The game fucking ruined my PSP. Maybe the gaming Gods are punishing me for not having played the game earlier.
But I shall play it. Soon. I'm going to try the DS SNES emulator. I don't really like playing emulators on the PC.

I used my PS3 controller plugged in via USB to play it on my lappy. Worked a charm and if you have linux or osx you don't even need to install drivers just configure it using the emulators pad configuration screen.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: naff on August 25, 2010, 10:17:52 PM
I'm tired of debating shit regarding metroid prime, so I'll just say that I loved it and leave it there

.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2010, 01:32:13 AM
I'll never understand the Prime hate - well, for Prime 1. Amazing, beautiful game

1. scanning
2. lame backtracking
3. scanning
4. shitty controls for an fps
5. shitty visor swapping in boss battles
6. scanning
7. scanning
8. space pirate fights in the end game
9. scanning
10. it's not 2d

The controls were definitely lacking, although given time they became tolerable to a degree; still, locking on targets and trying to aim at shit behind/above you was horrible

everything else you listed rocked

scanning :bow
immersion :bow
atmosphere :bow
National Geographic gaming :bow
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 26, 2010, 01:20:57 PM
I'll never understand the Prime hate - well, for Prime 1. Amazing, beautiful game

1. scanning
2. lame backtracking
3. scanning
4. shitty controls for an fps
5. shitty visor swapping in boss battles
6. scanning
7. scanning
8. space pirate fights in the end game
9. scanning
10. it's not 2d

The controls were definitely lacking, although given time they became tolerable to a degree; still, locking on targets and trying to aim at shit behind/above you was horrible

everything else you listed rocked

scanning :bow
immersion :bow
atmosphere :bow
National Geographic gaming :bow

PD gets it.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2010, 01:29:06 PM
PD, you my nicca.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 26, 2010, 01:30:18 PM
I think I'ma play through them before Other M :rock
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2010, 01:37:11 PM
Buy me Prime trilogy for wii, I will give you a blowjob.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Wario64 on August 26, 2010, 02:11:39 PM
so anyone download metroid other m yet?  :)
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 26, 2010, 02:12:31 PM
working on it :pirate
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 26, 2010, 02:33:03 PM
Had it since last night.. but busy playing 360 to care about Wii  :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 26, 2010, 02:33:36 PM
Buy me Prime trilogy for wii, I will give you a blowjob.

:rofl Get a job
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 26, 2010, 02:40:20 PM
working on it :pirate


same. just saw it on the tracker i use but i don't want to kill my connection since i'm playing online.

hoping that team ninja proves they are still awesome with this game...

edit: oh wait, this is a dual layer game. can't play it since i have no dual layer discs. ffffffuuuuuu
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on August 26, 2010, 02:49:54 PM
Going to pirate now. Hope it works with USB Loader
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: bork on August 26, 2010, 05:37:53 PM

edit: oh wait, this is a dual layer game. can't play it since i have no dual layer discs. ffffffuuuuuu

Same here.  Oh well, it's just a Wii game.  Will wait.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on August 26, 2010, 05:47:52 PM
Why dont you guys use a USB Loader
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 26, 2010, 06:02:05 PM
Wait a minute, NTFS USB drives work with USB loader now? Last time I checked it only had FAT32 support. I actually have a 1TB USB drive, now I don't have to waste any more DVD-Rs on Wii games :hyper
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: twerd on August 26, 2010, 06:49:14 PM
sup dirty pirates.

metroid prime isn't an FPS, just like super metroid isn't a metal slug clone. don't confuse perspective with gameplay.

i can't tell if i'm gonna get MOM. the name is stupid, the story is probably going to be stupid. but it IS a metroid game...
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
Goddamit, someone pirate this and tell us how the fuck it is.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: etiolate on August 26, 2010, 07:14:10 PM
Part of the reason I am getting Other M is to see how much they screw up what they had previously achieved. The other part is that I just love Metroid.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 26, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
Goddamit, someone pirate this and tell us how the fuck it is.

Havent touched it yet. Still playing 360... finishing up Tekken.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: bork on August 26, 2010, 07:26:14 PM
Goddamit, someone pirate this and tell us how the fuck it is.

I have a somewhat-defective hard drive I might hook up and try.  But it seems like so much work to bother with for the Wii.  I could be playing on a real console instead.   :P
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 26, 2010, 07:30:33 PM
I don't know if I should download this or not. It looks stupid and very ugly. Don't think I'm ready for a Metroid beat em up.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 26, 2010, 07:43:37 PM
Goddamit, someone pirate this and tell us how the fuck it is.
you don't trust me anyway himuro :'(
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 26, 2010, 08:01:00 PM
It's gonna take me all night to download it most likely, but I'll probably marathon it tomorrow.

:bow USB loader
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Wario64 on August 26, 2010, 08:11:50 PM
its on newsgroups now and it has no anti piracy protection, huahuahua


someone is already uploading a playthrough on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/user/WishingTikal
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 26, 2010, 10:09:07 PM
Well that looks terrible :(
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 26, 2010, 10:52:29 PM
Looks okay. Certainly an upgrade over the Prime games. Fuck that franchise with a rusty fork.

Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Trent Dole on August 26, 2010, 11:44:24 PM
Well that looks terrible :(
That's putting it mildly....goddamn.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 27, 2010, 12:53:58 AM
pffft, buncha fegs
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 27, 2010, 02:37:24 AM
Either that person sucks or this game really does look like shit...
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 27, 2010, 02:42:47 AM
Watch the second video.

Much better.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on August 27, 2010, 05:51:19 AM
Looks hella meh.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 06:47:34 AM
Game looks like diarrhea and plays like shit. I'm going to remove it from my HDD if it doesn't get any better.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 08:53:31 AM
This game is awesome. Poops all over Prime. Leave it to the JAPs to bring Metroid back.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 08:57:36 AM
This game really misses the analogue stick. Using the dpad for 3d games is so distinguished mentally-challenged. Especially for games like this one where you have to move fast.
And pointing the wiimote at the screen to trigger the first person mode is also frustrating during a fight. You can't run and morth into a ball at the same time.

This game is so frustrating. Can't wait for the reviews...
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 09:02:53 AM
You can run and press A to morph into a ball.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 09:06:02 AM
Yeah, if you want to rape your left thumb. This game fails in ergonomics.

First review from the German mag Maniac:

Quote
pros

-unique gameplay
-reviewer couldn't get into it until late in the game,however it was fun then

cons

-almost no exploration
-over the shoulder view sucks,too slow
-almost no scanning
-unprecise jumping
-too many checkpoints,they also heal you completely
-no health regenerating items anymore
-metroid prime looked better
-abilities will be unlocked by adam and are not found throughout the world
-will split the fanbase

Score:

73%


Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 09:09:20 AM
I use my right thumb for the A button.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 09:13:06 AM
I can also use my nose for pressing the A button. It doesn't matter. The button mapping in this game stays beyond distinguished mentally-challenged.
I wish I could play this game with my Cube controller.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 09:17:01 AM
What's different about the Cube controller? You're still gonna hit the A button with your right thumb...
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 09:22:31 AM
The analogue sticks? You could switch to first person mode by pressing the Z button and aim with the C analogue stick.
Much better than the shitty wiimote with the distinguished mentally-challenged button lay out.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 27, 2010, 09:25:30 AM
third doesn't like a wii game?  shocker.

you just a pussy ass gamer, mang
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 09:27:47 AM
third doesn't like a wii game?  shocker.

you just a pussy ass gamer, mang

You defending a wii game? shocker  :lol

I like some Wii games. But I can't make myself like a shitty game. No matter what platform.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 09:31:43 AM
What's different about the Cube controller? You're still gonna hit the A button with your right thumb...

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2lu3pg8.jpg)

How do you want to press the A button with your right thumb when you have to hold the controller like that?  :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 09:41:29 AM
I don't use skins like that for one. And all I do is tap the A button with my right thumb. I'm not sure how to explain it.

I hold the pad, then reach over and tap the A button. Do you really want a vid showing this or something? lol.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 09:48:53 AM
Does health drop from enemies in this game? I havent got one single pellet.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 09:51:42 AM
I know what you mean, demi. But I don't want to reach all the way to the left with my right hand to press the A button. It's not really convenient.
And you'll lose time while doing that. You don't seem to mind, and that's fine with me. But I think it's stupid. Especially during a heavy fight.
Pressing the B button would've been a better alternative for the ball morph. You could use your left index finger for pressing the button.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 09:55:10 AM
You can dodge any attack thrown at you using the d-pad, no need to morph into a ball.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 10:18:09 AM
Just beat the first boss. If this game has more enemies like the one in the training area and not these babby flies and bugs, then this game will kick major ass. Lots of potential for an awesome game here...

Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 10:26:56 AM
The giant purple thing? You will fight invisible chameleons that you have to scan to reveal. There's also some other surprises that you have to dodge.

Dodging works like Bayo. Just mash d-pad and she will flip and whoop and scoop anything.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 27, 2010, 10:29:25 AM
I've watched all the vids that girl posted  so far. Looks rather tame yet lame and the cutscenes are terribad.  And at least in prime one you had to press a button for hot lock-on action.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Barry Egan on August 27, 2010, 10:47:21 AM
I think it looks pretty neat actually...as long as you can skip the cut-scenes...
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2010, 10:58:49 AM
As a weeaboo, I will watch every single cutscene and weep openly at the beautiful drama that unfolds.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or just go replay Metroid Prime, I don't know.
[close]
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 11:00:55 AM
I think it looks pretty neat actually...as long as you can skip the cut-scenes...

You can't.  :'(
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 11:02:38 AM
The giant purple thing? You will fight invisible chameleons that you have to scan to reveal. There's also some other surprises that you have to dodge.

Dodging works like Bayo. Just mash d-pad and she will flip and whoop and scoop anything.

Nah I meant that space spirate in the training area that actually attacked you. More regular enemies like that, less flies and bugs. But yeah, played further and fought some new enemies with actual patterns and fast attacks.

:bow this game

Team Ninja is back.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 27, 2010, 11:32:26 AM
ok so

- game runs at 60 fps! very impressive
- you hold the wiimote sideway nes style
- keeping 1 pressed shot a charge beam,tapping 1 shots normaly,your shots auto aim
- you jump with 2,you can wall jump,it's much easier than in super metroid
- pressing A turns you into ball mode
- pointing the wiimote at the screen gives you a first person view
- which let you lock into stuff,if you lock into something you can shoot missile at it
- you can recharge your missile stock by holding the wiimote upward and pressing A,meaning you have infinite missiles
- moving as you are going to get hit,let you dodge,as demi said if you mash the D-Pad you'll dodge in fact there have been many times where i dodged when i just wanted to move around
- there have been a lot of needless melodramatic cutscenes done in CG,if you told me this game was done by square i would have believed you :lol
- there is no music,only ambience sounds effect which i hate
- so far it has been somewhat boring,you run around,you mash 1 to shots bug around you and sometimes shot a missile or two at tougher targets
- the internet will declare it the greatest game ever no matter what
- i bet the black guy dies first,it's the only thing missing into making him king of stereotypes!
- brandnew probably hate my guts :smug

that's about it


Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2010, 12:05:59 PM
Quote
there is no music

Whaaaat?
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: cool breeze on August 27, 2010, 12:09:46 PM
I hope iconoclast and demi are right.

Worst case is they're wrong and I'll be too busy playing the better game coming out on that day, the Vanquish demo.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2010, 12:11:54 PM
I hope iconoclast and demi are right.

Demi's always right!
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Beezy on August 27, 2010, 12:23:36 PM
Quote
there is no music

Whaaaat?
seriously, wtf
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 27, 2010, 12:23:49 PM
Quote
there is no music

Whaaaat?
well it's not like that there is absolute silence,it's kinda like zelda OOT dungeons,maybe a video is a better example

compare this
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiLxsRR0YQI&feature=related[/youtube]
to this
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob6CW65BIZM&feature=related[/youtube]

there is a melody behind the super metroid music while the first video is just a "OOO OOO OOO" once in a while in what looks like a desperate attempt to spook you (which the game also tries with certain camera angle,and vegetation that move,heck the game even switch to a behind the shoulder view everytime you enter a cramped room for no apparent reason other than it looks more spooky :lol)

EDIT: watching the super metroid video i just realized they removed the jingle that played when you found a new item :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Beezy on August 27, 2010, 12:27:42 PM
EDIT: watching the super metroid video i just realized they removed the jingle that played when you found a new item :lol
......

This is not a Metroid game.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 12:32:38 PM
Here's some REAL TALK:

- This game isn't Prime
- This game is like Metroidnetta
- Enemies don't even drop health
- Rooms are closed off for instanced fighting, you cant just run away like a pussy
- If you die, you get dropped off maybe a couple rooms back so feel free to keep dying
- Metroid music has always sucked
- Yes the jingle from items is gone and sterile, big whoop
- Yes the story is lol
- Yes this game is pretty casual and doesnt emphasize exploration
- Yes there is definite room for speedrunning
- No it doesnt look like you can sequence break, since the game is pretty much A -> B
- There is no difficulty selection (maybe upon finishing game)

If I were to rank the games REAL TALK:

Prime > Metroidnetta > Corruption > Echoes

Run and tell dat... homeboy
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2010, 12:39:24 PM
:bow demi :bow2
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 12:42:49 PM
It's good so far. Team Ninja makes action games. They took Metroid and made a simplified action game out of it. It's linear, but there is still a bunch of hidden items to find in each room like missile upgrades and junk.

I really really hope this game has an unlockable hard mode. It would be amazing if they had tougher enemy spawns, faster projectiles, stricter timing on the dodge so you can't just mash it (this is the worst thing so far), and if they remove the ability to recharge your health (when your main health tank is at like 30%, you can hold the remote up and press and she'll recharge her health to 99. This is stupid).

Gotta go boost some DOA4 achievement right now so I'm done for a couple hours, but the game kicks ass so far. An action game even Nintendo fans can enjoy!
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 12:45:54 PM
Right I knew I forgot that... you cna recharge your health only up to 99 (no tanks) if you are at a certain low point.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 01:35:20 PM
Reviews:

Wired - 9
Gamespot - 8.5
IGN - 8.5
Eurogamer - 8
GamesRadar - 7
Destructoid - 6.5
GameInformer - 6.25
G4tv - 2/5
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 01:51:47 PM
Alright, WTF is up with these RE4, over-the-shoulder camera sections. You can't even shoot or run during these parts, you just walk slowly through the level until some scene happens. This is terrible.

Also, being able to mash the dpad in order to dodge is starting to kill the game for me. It basically takes no skill. They really needed another button to map the dodge/dash to, because this is way too automated. Oh well, will continue playing since someone bailed on me for DOA4 boosting.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 27, 2010, 02:01:51 PM
i can't find gamesradar review
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 02:02:40 PM
Yeah I noticed that when you walk into the GIRLS (yes the Girls) restrooms. I found an Accel Charge in the 2nd bathroom in the toilet stall... not sure if there was something in the first. Did you find anything in there?
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 02:06:19 PM
i can't find gamesradar review


CLICK (http://www.gamesradar.com/wii/metroid-other-m/review/metroid-other-m-super-review/a-2010082791244315085/g-20090602105555875007)
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Trent Dole on August 27, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
I hear this is a whopping ten hours long. ::)
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 02:09:53 PM
I hear this is a whopping ten hours long. ::)

Yep, cutscenes included.
The game really has a lot of cutscenes, and they're pretty long too.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 27, 2010, 02:10:29 PM
i can't find gamesradar review


CLICK (http://www.gamesradar.com/wii/metroid-other-m/review/metroid-other-m-super-review/a-2010082791244315085/g-20090602105555875007)

thank you tough for some weird reason it said something about "not being able to view this outside of united states" and then gave me access anyway!  :S

I hear this is a whopping ten hours long. ::)

according to this destructoid review i'm reading there are 2 hours worth of samus moping around and saying "BABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABY" :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 02:12:06 PM
Yeah I noticed that when you walk into the GIRLS (yes the Girls) restrooms. I found an Accel Charge in the 2nd bathroom in the toilet stall... not sure if there was something in the first. Did you find anything in there?

Same. Didn't see anything in the first stall but got the accel charge in the second. Later on though there's a good 15~ minute section that controls like that. You just walk around the corridors until you trigger some scenes and move on with the story. It's lame.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 02:12:13 PM
Just click on the link to get redirected, magus. I don't live in the us either.  :P

-edit-
oh, you got in
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 02:14:06 PM
Apparently Adam Malkovich is from Fusion... shows how much I care about story in these games
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 02:14:53 PM
according to this destructoid review i'm reading there are 2 hours worth of samus moping around and saying "BABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABY" :lol

Probably talking about the very beginning. She does say "baby" a lot.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2010, 02:20:18 PM
i can't find gamesradar review


CLICK (http://www.gamesradar.com/wii/metroid-other-m/review/metroid-other-m-super-review/a-2010082791244315085/g-20090602105555875007)

thank you tough for some weird reason it said something about "not being able to view this outside of united states" and then gave me access anyway!  :S

I hear this is a whopping ten hours long. ::)

according to this destructoid review i'm reading there are 2 hours worth of samus moping around and saying "GEEGEEGEEBABYBABYBABY" :lol

.

Quote
Apparently Adam Malkovich is from Fusion... shows how much I care about story in these games

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/Intoduction_to_Adam.jpg)
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 27, 2010, 02:33:10 PM
you know i really didn't mind the story in fusion because it mostly happened when you entered a new zone trough an elevator,it was kind of like metal gear ladder moment only with dialogue so it never feel intrusive

but here it's totaly overblown,it's like they were "dude we need cutscenes! let have samus rant over and over and over"
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
Previous Metroid games had a story and characters ???
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2010, 02:41:53 PM
Metroid Fantasy XIII
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
Doesnt Magus play JAP RPGS exculsively? Why wuold you complain about this?
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 27, 2010, 02:59:53 PM
ahahahahahah i swear this is the thing that everybody tells to me everytime i complain about cutscenes :lol

my problem isn't that there are cutscene,my problem is that these cutscene are bad! they are boring,numerous and add nothing to the plot except desperate attempt at drama!
i couldn't give a fuck if samus gave the finger to his commander,there is no reason to recap the plot of super metroid as it has nothing to do with this game yet the game is still more than happy than wasting 4 minutes on it,it takes 30 seconds to say "samus hear a distress signal and heads on a mysterious ship" yet the game is like "a baby signal! it's called a baby signal because it wants to attract attention! like a baby! did i say baby yet? is there any other way i can waste some other time?"

it's like when i played peace walker
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sY10W3IiYo[/youtube]

these 5 minutes here do not bring snake closer to metal gear,there is no big revelation,it doesn't make the plot move forward,this is here just so snake can open his big mouth and go "BLABLABLA WARWARWARWAR"

in short the rule is pretty simple,if you can remove a particular cutscene and the story still makes sense then that cutscene is pointless and bad
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 27, 2010, 03:05:47 PM
jesus christ

what have nintendo done?
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 27, 2010, 03:10:30 PM
you know himuro i gave you lot of flack for all the bad things you said on final fantasy 13 but i think i'm finaly starting to understand why you do so because what great rumbler has said might not have been to off :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Himu on August 27, 2010, 03:12:45 PM
:lol do tell
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 04:05:20 PM
There's really not that many cutscenes. There's several of them in quick succession toward the start of the game, but once the game gets rolling they are pretty infrequent. No idea how far in I am though, so they might start pouring them on again later.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 27, 2010, 04:07:02 PM
jesus christ

what have nintendo done?

Gave way too much leeway to Sakomoto and team ninja. Hopefully after Donkey Kong Country 6 comes out this year Retro start working on Super Metroid Prime for Wii 2.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 27, 2010, 05:29:04 PM
This is pretty rad, but I'm having a pretty tough time using the dodge move in coordination with the rest of my attacks–seems to happen way too randomly.  Also, the finish move is fucking stupid and hard to even initiate in the first place.

"jump on top of enemy"

okay, I'ma do this

*jumps on top, loses 15 HP*

wtf.

And yes, the RE4 over the shoulder shit is just mindnumbingly awful.  Game looks great and for the most part plays great, though.  Solid 8 so far.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 05:37:03 PM
Most of the time you have to incapacitate them first in order to do her finishing move. Like those two-legged guys that try to jump on you all the time, you can freeze their foot with a charged shot and then jump on their head. Some enemies just get knocked down, then you can run right into them and do her finisher.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: etiolate on August 27, 2010, 06:20:48 PM
fuck you sakamoto. your dumb ass got the keys to something bigger than you can comprehend

you're the EviLore of metroid
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 27, 2010, 06:23:09 PM
i have no trouble jumping on top of enemies but it feels a little weird,i mean this isn't super mario you know!
uh anyway i defeated the second boss and it was just a matter of tapping the D-Pad to spamming dodge and shooting some missile's at it (so basicaly it was like the first boss) i don't know,i don't think it's bad but it's definitely not very good either,it's at least a new game instead of a rethread of something so i guess they are at least trying

also iconoclast is right,there hasn't been a cutscene in a while
thank goodness might i add!
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 27, 2010, 06:26:53 PM
This game is absolutely not bad.  It's good.  Hell, it's great.  It's just a little jarring.  magus you hate like everything that you pirate.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: magus on August 27, 2010, 06:30:53 PM
Quote
- brandnew probably hate my guts :smug
see? i got this right :smug
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: bork on August 27, 2010, 06:45:39 PM
Installing now.

Does anyone know if you can just rip Metroid Prime Trilogy and play it off an HDD now?  I read something about the game having issues as an ISO, but that was like a year ago.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Wario64 on August 27, 2010, 07:11:53 PM
what's with the random forced FPS mode where you have to scan something in order to initiate the cutscene?
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: etiolate on August 27, 2010, 07:30:07 PM
This is probably the first mainline Metroid game where an 8/10 is where the reviews top out.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: bork on August 27, 2010, 07:36:17 PM
The game kinda reminds me of "My First Ninja Gaiden" or something.  Like a toned-down version of that engine for the Wii, which I guess makes sense for that crowd.  Seems pretty fun so far, and the controls work pretty well overall.  The abundance of cut scenes is definitely annoying, but the real-time ones are pretty impressive for the hardware.  I think 8/10 will end up being a pretty fitting score. 

If you don't go in expecting this to be like a full-on Metroidvania and treat it as a more straight-forward action game, you'll probably enjoy it.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Don Flamenco on August 27, 2010, 07:52:18 PM
tempting to buy a wii, hack it, and play this tonight.  the alternative is waiting to borrow my parents' wii and get the game on tuesday...

Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: etiolate on August 27, 2010, 07:55:11 PM
The game kinda reminds me of "My First Ninja Gaiden" or something.  Like a toned-down version of that engine for the Wii, which I guess makes sense for that crowd.  Seems pretty fun so far, and the controls work pretty well overall.  The abundance of cut scenes is definitely annoying, but the real-time ones are pretty impressive for the hardware.  I think 8/10 will end up being a pretty fitting score. 

If you don't go in expecting this to be like a full-on Metroidvania and treat it as a more straight-forward action game, you'll probably enjoy it.

The problem is there's a shitload of action games out there and a lack of high quality adventure. The only thing making this stick out is the Metroid label, otherwise it would be lost in the mist.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 08:28:12 PM
Metroid doesn't adhere to the common methods of ludology. I feel it isn't worth mentioning in the same breath as such epics as Shadow of the Colossus and Psychonauts.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 08:54:43 PM
cool story, bro
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 09:15:40 PM
Just beat this. Overall, I'd say it was really good. My biggest problem with the game is design decisions made most likely due to the hardware. Since you have to hold the remote sideways, they ran out of buttons you could comfortably use, so they wound up mapping the dodge to the dpad. The problem with this is you can just mash the dpad and Samus will automatically dodge every attack and give you a free plasma charge on top of that. You don't need to properly time anything and it makes the game way, way too easy. If there were a dedicated button to dodging and the timing for it were strict (like Ninja Gaiden) I think the game would be a LOT more fun. But still, there's a decent variety of enemies and they all have good attack patterns. Bosses were very fun too. The puzzle sections were also pretty decent. And since it's a Metroid game, there's still tons of hidden upgrades and secret areas to find, so I'm not really sure what more exploration people are looking for. As it is, I think I've collected 34% of the items in the game, so there's a lot of junk to find if you're into that.

The story isn't THAT bad either. It has its moments.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: etiolate on August 27, 2010, 09:17:15 PM
Choosing wiimote only isn't the hardware's fault.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 09:26:12 PM
Choosing wiimote only isn't the hardware's fault.

Nintendo isn't going to make a game that shuns their standard controller. So they designed the game around it instead of forcing you to use the classic controller. That's my guess anyway.

Actually I guess they could have used the nunchuck. I guess they really wanted you to use the dpad and two buttons, NES style. /shrug
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 09:32:26 PM
nunchuck would have made the game control for shit... real talk
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: etiolate on August 27, 2010, 09:36:05 PM
icono: I meant they could have used the nunchuk instead of forcing wiimote/2d out of needless nostalgia. It's like recreating Metroid on the most shallow level. Just use analog for fucks sake.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Third on August 27, 2010, 09:41:09 PM
nunchuck would have made the game control for shit... real talk

No.
The nunchuck has two triggers and one analog stick. Would work perfect.
The analog stick for movement. The Z trigger for 1st person view. The C trigger for ball morph.
The B trigger for shooting/dropping bombs. The A button for jumping.

Would work much better than the current shitty wiimote lay out.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: bork on August 27, 2010, 09:41:38 PM
Just beat this. Overall, I'd say it was really good. My biggest problem with the game is design decisions made most likely due to the hardware. Since you have to hold the remote sideways, they ran out of buttons you could comfortably use, so they wound up mapping the dodge to the dpad. The problem with this is you can just mash the dpad and Samus will automatically dodge every attack and give you a free plasma charge on top of that. You don't need to properly time anything and it makes the game way, way too easy. If there were a dedicated button to dodging and the timing for it were strict (like Ninja Gaiden) I think the game would be a LOT more fun. But still, there's a decent variety of enemies and they all have good attack patterns. Bosses were very fun too. The puzzle sections were also pretty decent. And since it's a Metroid game, there's still tons of hidden upgrades and secret areas to find, so I'm not really sure what more exploration people are looking for. As it is, I think I've collected 34% of the items in the game, so there's a lot of junk to find if you're into that.

The story isn't THAT bad either. It has its moments.

How long did it take you?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 09:50:34 PM
Not sure, probably 10 hours or so. I took breaks every once in a while and left the game on pause. It's a Team Ninja game so I marathoned it 8)
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 09:54:14 PM
nunchuck would have made the game control for shit... real talk

No.
The nunchuck has two triggers and one analog stick. Would work perfect.
The analog stick for movement. The Z trigger for 1st person view. The C trigger for ball morph.
The B trigger for shooting/dropping bombs. The A button for jumping.

Would work much better than the current shitty wiimote lay out.

I guess this would work for Prime 4... which this isnt
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Trent Dole on August 27, 2010, 10:27:43 PM
I guess this would work for Prime 4... which this isnt
And thank god it isn't. That series got progressively less good. >:(
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: cool breeze on August 27, 2010, 10:44:16 PM
Is it generally accepted that Prime 2 is better than Prime 3? I liked Prime 1 a lot, Prime 3 was ok-ish, but Prime 2 I stopped playing because I was really not liking it.  One of the reasons I got the Prime Wii trilogy was to give it another shot.

and I like how the two big Nintendo fans on this forum both pirated it  :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
Is it generally accepted that Prime 2 is better than Prime 2?

... no ... yes ... maybe
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: cool breeze on August 27, 2010, 10:59:01 PM
numbers are difficult, man

I meant "do people think Prime 2 is better than Prime 3?"
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 27, 2010, 11:00:41 PM
if they're stupid, yes. the only thing that makes Prime 2 shit is having to warp between dark and light worlds. i hate that mechanic in any videogame.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 27, 2010, 11:21:08 PM
the only thing that makes Prime 2 shit is having to warp between dark and light worlds. i hate that mechanic in any videogame.

yep. in theory it sounds pretty cool, but i have yet to play a game where that was actually fun and/or interesting.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2010, 12:10:04 AM
Yeah, Prime 2 would have been a lot better if they'd dropped the light world/dark world mechanic and just slotted in a new area or two.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Bebpo on August 28, 2010, 02:12:37 AM
So the controls seem hella awkward for this.  I thought you could free look in first person, but everytime I go into 1st person I'm locked into just what's exactly in front of me so I have to keep correcting my position in 3rd person then go into first person.  Also moving in 3d space on a d-pad is distinguished mentally-challenged.  Why doesn't this game use nunchuck.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: etiolate on August 28, 2010, 02:25:28 AM
Yeah, Prime 2 would have been a lot better if they'd dropped the light world/dark world mechanic and just slotted in a new area or two.

Would have been so much better. I hardly remember a dark zone as anything but a bunch of blobs.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 02:36:35 AM
So the controls seem hella awkward for this.  I thought you could free look in first person, but everytime I go into 1st person I'm locked into just what's exactly in front of me so I have to keep correcting my position in 3rd person then go into first person.  Also moving in 3d space on a d-pad is distinguished mentally-challenged.  Why doesn't this game use nunchuck.

You do know you can hold B and you can free-look? :lol

Honestly you people. One by one you are all proving you are just inadequate...
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 28, 2010, 02:56:03 AM
bebpo is a bad gamer though, so, you know
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: bork on August 28, 2010, 03:57:52 AM
Didn't play this too much tonight (am going through the long process of ripping my Wii collection at the moment), but put in around an hour or so, fighting the first boss and going a bit further than that. 

+ Am enjoying the game play.  Everything goes very fast and I have found it extremely easy to get used to the control scheme.
+ No waggle!
+ Despite being mostly-linear, it does feel like a bit of Metroidvania is there when searching for items.  It reminds of Metroid Fusion in its linearity.
- Too much storyline.  Some of the cut scenes just drag on too long and break up the flow of the action.  It's not exactly a blast running down empty corridors then watching dialogue or a flashback for five minutes.
- You really can just furiously tap the d-pad during enemy encounters and dodge everything.
+ But some enemies cannot be killed by dodging and shooting!

So again, this game is "My first Ninja Gaiden" so far.  Hasn't been difficult, but has been fun.  If an action-oriented Metroid sounds good to you, you'll probably like this.  Just be prepared for an abundance of cut scenes.

Oh, and there is background music.  Magus is on something.  It plays when you get into enemy encounters.
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: naff on August 28, 2010, 04:47:08 AM
EDIT: watching the super metroid video i just realized they removed the jingle that played when you found a new item :lol

 :'(

I love that little tune.

Anyway, from a few videos the game looks fun. Looks incredibly pared down though, I also hate playing games with that damned Wii remote sideways. Pissed me off to no end in NSMB Wii even though I really liked the game. Can't believe they've done a TPS style action beat'em up Metroid using that crappy ass controller sideways. Smh Team Ninja.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: magus on August 28, 2010, 07:12:36 AM
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Since you have to hold the remote sideways, they ran out of buttons you could comfortably use

i don't see why they couldn't use the B button,or just making you dodging by double tapping a direction,or simply change the button configuration around

if you ask me,they just wanted to dumb the game down,which is the same reason you can heal yourself fully when you are in the red or why sometimes you end with 0/1 health instead of dying

uh anyway i defeated this fire boss and he was pretty cool and i guess that's all i can add since my last post
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 08:20:14 AM
I don't know, the B button is kinda awkward to hit with the remote sideways. I'm sure they did want to make the game really casual though, considering the audience, so it probably wasn't a hard decision. Double-tapping to dodge in an action game would be terrible.

Nintendo just really needs to start adding difficulty modes to their games.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: magus on August 28, 2010, 09:10:12 AM
regarding the bad cutscene/good cutscene argument i was having first
spoiler (click to show/hide)
so samus find this science girl and it's revealed that one of the guys on his team it's evil (i bet it's the black guy since he's samus buddy) that's good! it moves the plot forward

but then you have another cutscene with a flashback of what happened 2 seconds ago,what the hell game? do you think i'm a dog or that i suffer from attention deficit disorder? oh,oh i get it,you are having this so samus can mull over it,"i decided to call the traitor "THE DELETER"" she says,that's cool samus,i guess traitor was simply too bland,at least you didn't decide for something like "the baby killer,because it kills people that attract attention,like babies!" now can i go back to the game?
[close]

oh also i'm starting to feel the pain of people saying that this whole authorization issue is distinguished mentally-challenged,there is this part where you reach a button you can't push because you are missing a powerup,then you go back to the entrance of this whole facility and get trapped "OK SAMUS! SINCE YOU ARE TRAPPED YOU CAN NOW USE THE POWERUP LOL!" only after that you can press the button,why not have this trap spring before i reach this button or give me the powerup when i first reach this button?

but anyway i think the game is improving,mooks are still dispatched by mashing the D-Pad button and keeping 1 pressed but at least they are getting more varied than bugs and moths,and the occasional boss can provide some good action
Title: Re: The only good Metroid
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 12:34:11 PM
Can't believe they've done a TPS style action beat'em up

It's

Not

A

BEU


Hope this helps
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 28, 2010, 01:21:12 PM
I guess this would work for Prime 4... which this isnt
And thank god it isn't. That series got progressively less good. >:(

I'd say prime 3 was fun if not a masterpiece. Echoes was a fucking chore so Corruption was kind of a redeemer imo. I think the biggest grievance I had with the prime games is that they progressively kept trying to add story elements, cutscenes, and shitty friends. The gameplay was fine however.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 28, 2010, 01:34:25 PM
Prime 3 was fantastic, albeit way too linear for a mainline Metroid game.  I have a special attachment to Echoes, but it's undoubtedly a chore to play through at parts.  Prime 3 is better.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: magus on August 28, 2010, 02:02:56 PM
i... uh... finished it

the final boss was totaly underwhelming,in fact i didn't even understand that it was the final boss
the plot kinda jumps the shark ala metal gear,but even that it's definitely better than samus moping around so i guess the plot at least improves

the bosses are decently fun but for the rest of the game you just walk down over an infinite number of hallways,after you get the final beam upgrade you are basicaly invincible as even stronger mooks get dispatched with no effort (not that it take much effort even before the upgrade) by simply charging and shooting your beam until they are dead

so yea,remember how many people complained about FF13 that the game was linear? that they cringed every time hope moped around?  and that the combat was brainless? this is metroid fantasy 13 only it's so short that you can't complain that "it takes 25 hours before it gets good!"

by all means it's not a bad game but it's as averagish as it gets,if you need a metroid fix just replay super metroid and if you want to play an action game gets monster hunter 3 and play it online
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 02:31:24 PM
The Ridley fight is dope as fuck. Super Metroid right here
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: magus on August 28, 2010, 02:42:07 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJP8TtY3eig[/youtube]

still the best 3D metroid game ever as confirmed by the fact that they rip the whole "crashing samus into a wall" scene :smug
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 03:27:10 PM
by all means it's not a bad game but it's as averagish as it gets,if you need a metroid fix just replay super metroid and if you want to play an action game gets monster hunter 3 and play it online

Monster Hunter isn't really an action game. It kinda is, but it's really more of an action RPG since you are constantly grinding and farming for new equipment and items and stuff. Of course Other M doesn't compare at all to proper action games like Ninja Gaiden, DMC, God Hand, Bayonetta, etc. but it's pretty smartly designed for the Wii crowd. At its core it's a really good game, it's just crippled by the easy dodge.

I liked it a lot at any rate. I'd say it's a good 8.0-8.5 game. Overall I'd rank the series like this: Super Metroid > Prime 1 > Prime 3 > Other M > Fusion > Zero Mission > Prime 2 > Metroid

Never played Hunters or Metroid 2.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: magus on August 28, 2010, 03:39:10 PM
well the only other action game on the wii i can think of it's no more heroes and i don't like that too but yea maybe even no more heroes is a better pick than this

oh there is also mad world but... yea.... i like it,but the actual game is maybe a little too simple
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Himu on August 28, 2010, 03:40:23 PM
Other M better than Zero Mission lol

Stop enticing me
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 03:51:09 PM
Well yeah, there's No More Heroes and MadWorld, but they both play like shit. NMH is fun because of Suda and the boss fights; MadWorld is just trash top to bottom. NMH is still my favorite game on the Wii though, so I guess I agree with you there.

Other M better than Zero Mission lol

Stop enticing me

I haven't played the GBA games since they came out, so to be honest they are kind of a blur for me. It just depends what you're looking for I guess. ZM is classic Metroid gameplay, Other M is an action game first and Metroid game second. It's a babby action game, but it's still pretty fun to play.

And also action games are by far one of my favorite genres, so I am biased. :P
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 28, 2010, 04:27:04 PM
For me, so far, its

Super Metroid > Prime 1 > Zero Mission > Prime 3 > Other M > Prime 2 > Fusion

of the ones that matter, the first two blow
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
What do you do when you are inside the Metroid Queen's stomach? I assume it's a great Power Bomb scene but nothing happens... and I die

edit: Ok... so you do use a Power Bomb. Glad the GAME TOLD ME I UNLOCKED IT
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
 :lol Yeah I died a few times there. I first thought you'd have to powerbomb it, but since it never tells you it's unlocked I just kept spamming bombs and dying.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: magus on August 28, 2010, 05:18:35 PM
i found it weird that they teach you in the tutorial how to use a power bomb and then you never use it!
i mean,what's the point?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 05:27:40 PM
WHAT THE FUCK???????????

That was the end?????????????? :lol

What the fuck I'm in awe wow
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 05:30:01 PM
Ok I'm sorry after that... this just dropped to the bottom of the list jesus christ :lol

Is there a bonus ending if you get all items or ANYTHING?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 05:33:16 PM
Wait what the fuck THERES MORE
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: archie4208 on August 28, 2010, 05:36:32 PM
Wait what's happening? ???
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 05:37:33 PM
:rofl

The whole MB thing is insane. The story would be better without it.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: magus on August 28, 2010, 05:39:35 PM
Ok I'm sorry after that... this just dropped to the bottom of the list jesus christ :lol

Is there a bonus ending if you get all items or ANYTHING?

what did i say?

Quote
the plot kinda jumps the shark ala metal gear,but even that it's definitely better than samus moping around so i guess the plot at least improves
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
Metal Gear is a pretty apt comparison, at least for the final scenes in the game.

We were the crazy ones all along.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 05:47:50 PM
The credits rolled and I thought that was the end, but there's apparently more game here. I am trying to clean up items now since I'm here
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Himu on August 28, 2010, 05:51:59 PM
sounds like FF13 finale
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 06:04:33 PM
The credits rolled and I thought that was the end, but there's apparently more game here. I am trying to clean up items now since I'm here

Yeah, it's just to run around and collect all the hidden stuff. There's also hidden locations that aren't marked on the map in case you haven't found any yet, so getting 100% might be pretty tough. I'm not going to bother with that unless there's more interesting stuff to find than rocket packs.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 06:05:15 PM
I dont even care about the plot... I thought that was the final fight and the end was just... there. Is there any more story/fights in this post-credits area?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 06:12:14 PM
I quit after 10 minutes of that so I have no idea. I would assume not though. Maybe once you get 100% something cool happens, but I'll probably never find out.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: magus on August 28, 2010, 06:24:57 PM
i heard there is 30 more minutes of questing around but i have no idea what they involve
spoiler (click to show/hide)
i guess samus goes to sector zero to get something related to adam
[close]
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 06:25:48 PM
Yeah there is most definitely a new boss... and it is huuuge
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 06:33:22 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat they just pulled a Super Metroid and Zero Mission

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You grab Adam's helmet, and after a cutscene the ship starts to explode and you have to escape in the Zero Suit
[close]
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 06:39:15 PM
I got 68% item completion, and unlocked Gallery and Theater modes
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 06:45:02 PM
WTF? You best not be trolling. I guess I should play some more...
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 07:22:37 PM
Ok I have no idea how to get some of these items, so I am going to stop here... someone else can figure out if you get anything for 100% items.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 07:25:05 PM
Found this on GameFAQs

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If you get 100% completion you unlock hard mode, a mode where there are no item pickups meaning you'll have to clear it with 1 energy tank and 10 missiles.

Same guy

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I've actually beaten hard mode now to the credits, but when I go back to my save file I cannot continue on the ship. Is that it? It's weird that the normal game continues after the credits, but not hard mode.

I also didn't get anything.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
Wow there is a hard mode then? Team Ninja came through :bow
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: SantaC on August 28, 2010, 07:53:32 PM
meh some low reviews are just because american media wants it lower then the retro studios games. Metroid Other M is actually damn fun, much better than Prime 3 atleast.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 07:56:56 PM
Other M isnt even a Metroid game... no need to list it on any scale
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 28, 2010, 07:57:43 PM
I like demi today.  But just for today.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: SantaC on August 28, 2010, 07:58:51 PM
Other M isnt even a Metroid game... no need to list it on any scale

it is more metroid then the prime games were. You can actually you can get some good sidescrolling action in this one.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 07:59:56 PM
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 28, 2010, 08:05:05 PM
Other M isnt even a Metroid game... no need to list it on any scale

it is more metroid then the prime games were. You can actually you can get some good sidescrolling action in this one.

Lol
Metroid= sidescrolling? Sidescroller is a bullet point now? 
Lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 08:06:07 PM
meh some low reviews are just because american media wants it lower then the retro studios games. Metroid Other M is actually damn fun, much better than Prime 3 atleast.

It looks like many reviews are from people who have no idea how to play properly. Watching the GiantBomb quicklook, Brad runs up to one of the robots that can only be hit when they're charging their attack, switches to first person, shoots it a bunch of times, then gets smacked and proceeds to complain about it. It seems like a lot of people fail to realize this is an action game and not Metroid Prime.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: SantaC on August 28, 2010, 08:08:49 PM
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead

meh Retro could release a turd and it still would get rave reviews from the north american media. Prime 1 and 2 are great games, but when you see Prime 3 getting 9s and 10s  you know it is only because of the reputation. It wasn't worth those scores.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 08:13:09 PM
I had over 50 missiles when I finished playing, and you barely use 10 in a boss fight. All you have to do is dodge and shoot charged blasts.

Oh well, what can you do. Wasted time on yet another Wii game... back to the 360
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 08:13:49 PM
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead

meh Retro could release a turd and it still would get rave reviews from the north american media.

I guess we'll see when that Donkey Kong game is out then
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: SantaC on August 28, 2010, 08:19:32 PM
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead

meh Retro could release a turd and it still would get rave reviews from the north american media.

I guess we'll see when that Donkey Kong game is out then

Yeah agreed  let's wait for that one.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: magus on August 28, 2010, 08:24:13 PM
i think my opinion is mostly close to this review
http://gameinformer.com/games/metroid_other_m/b/wii/archive/2010/08/27/nintendo-s-team-ninja-team-up-robs-metroid-of-its-atmosphere-and-character.aspx

i find it silly that he complains about "absence of a sense of isolation" but the rest is spot-on
unsurprisingly GAF has declared it the worst review ever ::)

you know some other thing that ticked me off about the plot
spoiler (click to show/hide)
- the game makes it sounds like a big deal there's a traitor among the group,yet at the end you never discover who it was,everybody ends up dead anyway so what was the entire point of having this plot twist?
- samus meet ridley and gets all scared,what the heck? this is a desperate attempt at characterization at his finest! this scene has happened like a gazillion of times,it makes absolutely no sense other than "QUICK WE NEED CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT"
[close]
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: MCD on August 28, 2010, 08:27:12 PM
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead

meh Retro could release a turd and it still would get rave reviews from the north american media.

I guess we'll see when that Donkey Kong game is out then
A DKC game with no water levels or Kremlings.

Turd.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 08:27:37 PM
For sure... it wont touch Rare's genius
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 08:28:50 PM

you know some other thing that ticked me off about the plot
spoiler (click to show/hide)
- the game makes it sounds like a big deal there's a traitor among the group,yet at the end you never discover who it was,everybody ends up dead anyway so what was the entire point of having this plot twist?
- samus meet ridley and gets all scared,what the heck? this is a desperate attempt at characterization at his finest! this scene has happened like a gazillion of times,it makes absolutely no sense other than "QUICK WE NEED CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT"
[close]


Yeah, I think a huge chunk of game was taken out. However if you look at "Characters" after you beat the game, you'll see that one guy is still missing and the description says that the Federation never found him when they searched the ship. So I think it is implied that he was the killer.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: etiolate on August 28, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Other M isnt even a Metroid game... no need to list it on any scale

it is more metroid then the prime games were. You can actually you can get some good sidescrolling action in this one.

lay off the crazy juice
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 08:46:06 PM
I did some reasearch and practically every boss in this game s from a different metroid. lol

Nightmare from Fusion
Phantoon from Super (this is the post-game boss)
Metroid Queen from Metroid II
Ridley

(I forgot the other bosses but I'm sure they are from a diff game as well.)

There's also zero mention of the Chozo in this game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

Also, shouldn't Sakamoto know better?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 08:57:41 PM
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

We back to talking about Prime 2?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 08:58:08 PM
I think it's more of a reminder to steer clear of anything by Team Ninja... lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2010, 09:06:04 PM
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

We back to talking about Prime 2?

Prime 2 had shoehorned melodrama and a complete lack of understanding of what the Metroid series and its characters are even about?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 28, 2010, 09:11:33 PM
At least prime 2 TRIED to be a metroid game. I'd say maybe it tried a little too hard.  That and all those damn keys, ugh.  Prime 3 got decentish reviews because it successfully incorporated the wiimote into improving its control scheme. Combine that novelty with some gracious streamlining of the formula and it was a solid if not spectacular game. 
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: iconoclast on August 28, 2010, 09:15:28 PM
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

We back to talking about Prime 2?

Prime 2 had shoehorned melodrama and a complete lack of understanding of what the Metroid series and its characters are even about?

Oh, I thought we were talking about how good the games were. I really couldn't care less about any characters or story in the Metroid universe.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 28, 2010, 09:16:59 PM

A DKC game with no... Kremlings.

Turd.

Yeah, such 'great' enemy designs lost  ::). Really, the problem with the DKC I've seen from showfloor vids is that the levels don't require much more from the player than going through the motions of barrel, jump, pound. It doesn't seem to require any precise applications of those concepts. You just do the obvious action and progress.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2010, 09:19:34 PM
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

We back to talking about Prime 2?

Prime 2 had shoehorned melodrama and a complete lack of understanding of what the Metroid series and its characters are even about?

Oh, I thought we were talking about how good the games were. I really couldn't care less about any characters or story in the Metroid universe.

It's the total package, man, the total package.

And Prime 2 had Sanctuary Fortress, effectively shielding it from nearly all criticism [except for all those keys].

At least prime 2 TRIED to be a metroid game. I'd say maybe it tried a little too hard.  That and all those damn keys, ugh.  Prime 3 got decentish reviews because it successfully incorporated the wiimote into improving its control scheme. Combine that novelty with some gracious streamlining of the formula and it was a solid if not spectacular game. 

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Prime 3 is better than Prime 2, but neither can top the first. Prime 3 got a bit goofy with the Samus and Friends stuff, but that really only comprised the first couple hours, most of the stuff after that was solo missions on barren planets. It managed to do the Wiimote right and it had some really cool locations, so I can forgive some of its faults. Prime 2 just had too many designs problems, mainly the key quest near the end and the light world/dark world mechanic that just increased the backtracking by a ton. I'm not against backtracking in Metroid games, especially Prime games because I really like just looking at the scenery that much [I know, I'm easy to please], but backtracking through the dark world was just painful.

With Other M, I think we're talking about something completely different here.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 28, 2010, 09:22:53 PM
I tried playing through Prime 2 twice just to experience Sanctuary Fortress. Could never make it past dark torvus bog.  :( 
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: etiolate on August 28, 2010, 09:24:00 PM
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

Also, shouldn't Sakamoto know better?

I am not sure how Sakamoto inherited the father of Metroid title. Gunpei did have some input and the difference between Sakamoto's post-gunpei Metroids and the core Metroids is pretty apparent.

Beyond that, authorial power in games is pretty spread out, especially with a game series that has had different teams across different countries.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 28, 2010, 09:27:14 PM
Sakomoto is heavily associated with Super Metroid which is like the epitome of the entire genre and has yet to be dethroned. Its not hard to see why he is revered as such.
...
Until Other M. :/
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: ManaByte on August 28, 2010, 09:27:48 PM
I'll keep my Prime Trilogy disc and skip this.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2010, 09:31:49 PM
I tried playing through Prime 2 twice just to experience Sanctuary Fortress. Could never make it past dark torvus bog.  :( 

I played through Prime 2 a second time just to get TO Sanctuary Fortress again.  :lol

So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

Also, shouldn't Sakamoto know better?

I am not sure how Sakamoto inherited the father of Metroid title. Gunpei did have some input and the difference between Sakamoto's post-gunpei Metroids and the core Metroids is pretty apparent.

Beyond that, authorial power in games is pretty spread out, especially with a game series that has had different teams across different countries.

Whether it was Sakamoto or Gunpei who was the "man in charge", Sakamoto was still there from the beginning. So, again, shouldn't Sakamoto know better?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on August 28, 2010, 09:32:45 PM
I am curious to see how much the story makes the game purposefully linear.

If I wanted to be a bastard in the GAF thread I could just point out that I was right about all the issues I brought up that got me banned, but the "videogames can't be sexist" mentality is far more interesting or disturbing or somewhere along that line.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 09:40:16 PM
The game locks doors and forces you to go a set path. For example, when you beat the game and do the post-content. Your first instinct is - hey, I'll go straight to the elevators and to the other sectors to get those items I missed. Nope... you are forced to detour alllll the way around another path.

Even when you DO finish the post-game and re-load your save... the elevator is STILL blocked. You are forced to take the long path regardless if you want to head back to the previous sectors.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on August 28, 2010, 10:01:22 PM
I thought it really opened up at the end?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 10:03:18 PM
Depends on where you are... if you are heading towards the final fight, then that is also severely locked and one direction only.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 28, 2010, 10:47:37 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNVPWHaEPw[/youtube]

Like a bad dream. sigh
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 28, 2010, 10:53:12 PM
I thought Prime 3 was pretty good for what it was. I had a lot of fun with it. This game looks like shit.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2010, 11:05:39 PM
I thought Prime 3 was pretty good for what it was. I had a lot of fun with it. This game looks like shit.

Yeah, if Prime 1 was a 9.5 or a 10, then Prime 3 was probably a 9.0, for me.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 28, 2010, 11:19:30 PM
was hoping this would be good. would be the first Wii purchase in months and months and months and....

oh well. maybe i should just finish the Prime trilogy then
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 28, 2010, 11:37:10 PM
Buying Prime Trilogy instead.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 28, 2010, 11:39:24 PM
was hoping this would be good. would be the first Wii purchase in months and months and months and....

oh well. maybe i should just finish the Prime trilogy then

Hmmm, buy excitebots!
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 28, 2010, 11:41:51 PM
buy a 360 game instead!
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: iconoclast on August 29, 2010, 12:08:43 AM
Yeah, if you haven't played the Prime Triology definitely get that instead. Prime 1 and 3 are better games, especially Prime 1. Although I'd say Other M is more fun to play than all of the Prime games, but that could be due to me holding action games above most genres.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 12:15:48 AM
Well, I appreciate Nintendo for giving me a reason to turn on my Wii. Guess we're waiting until October for Kirby.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 29, 2010, 12:30:52 AM
I want to believe in this game's story because Sakamoto has awesome hair and face and because I don't want to be on the same side as etiolate, but that cutscene looks pretty bad  :'(
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2010, 12:32:58 AM
I like the game a lot, meh
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: iconoclast on August 29, 2010, 12:43:41 AM
I want to believe in this game's story because Sakamoto has awesome hair and face and because I don't want to be on the same side as etiolate, but that cutscene looks pretty bad  :'(

That's not even close to the worst/stupidest/most insane scene in the game. The story is not good, but it has some nice moments.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I liked how that baby chicken monster evolves into Ridley, and the part when Adam goes on his suicide mission to kill all the Metroids. That was cool. I think that's just about all of the good parts though.
[close]

At least the CG is pretty nice. As nice as 480p CG can be anyway.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 12:48:56 AM
The Adam scene was distinguished mentally-challenged and shit. Did we really need to see Samus limping and being a bitch after getting shot once by a regular soldier? The same Samus who dives headfirst into alien worlds and shoots up monsters 20x taller than her? Fuckin a man.

The best scene is the opening cutscene with the SM remake... that's about it
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: iconoclast on August 29, 2010, 12:55:08 AM
But Adam has a special gun that deletes her power armor so it makes sense. ???
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 12:56:01 AM
THE DELETER
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 12:58:51 AM
The whole deal with not being able to use the powerups has to be the worst thing ever. :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 29, 2010, 01:08:46 AM
Speaking of the
spoiler (click to show/hide)
chicken thing
[close]
The series as of late has always made it seem Ridley was a personal nemesis. Is it really just samus is fucking dumb enough to not distinquish between several members of the same species?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 01:12:43 AM
Scans in Metroid Prime suggest that it's the same being each time.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: bork on August 29, 2010, 01:25:46 AM
The whole deal with not being able to use the powerups has to be the worst thing ever. :lol

For storyline purposes it's quite stupid, but it's no different than gaining abilities as you go along in other action games and being stripped of all your shit and needing to find it all again in Metroidvanias.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 01:38:26 AM
The whole deal with not being able to use the powerups has to be the worst thing ever. :lol

For storyline purposes it's quite stupid, but it's no different than gaining abilities as you go along in other action games and being stripped of all your shit and needing to find it all again in Metroidvanias.

Yeah, but it's like they got together and asked themselves "How can we take away Samus' powers in the stupidest way possible?".
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2010, 01:39:22 AM
It's better than OH SHIT SAMUS YOU LOST YOUR POWERUPS AGAIN
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Purple Filth on August 29, 2010, 02:55:04 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNVPWHaEPw[/youtube]

Like a bad dream. sigh

is this really what everyone is getting up about?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 03:20:49 AM
No, they are all in arms that Samus is treated like a woman and that she cant do anything without approval from men, etc...
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: T-Short on August 29, 2010, 03:37:22 AM
Huh. I don't get the hype for Sanctuary Fortress and how it's somehow a redeeming factor for Prime 2. Was still a pretty average area. Dumb soundvisor "puzzles" and a really crap dark side. Certainly doesn't make up for the terrible Torvus Bog.
I beat Prime 1 and instantly replayed it in Hard mode and went for 100%. With Prime 2 I had to force myself to return to it several times just to finish, and I've never replayed it. I quit Prime 3 after like 3 hours and haven't touched it since.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on August 29, 2010, 04:39:01 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNVPWHaEPw[/youtube]

Like a bad dream. sigh

Why are the Japanese even allowed to make games at this point?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod
Post by: SantaC on August 29, 2010, 06:01:45 AM
I thought Prime 3 was pretty good for what it was. I had a lot of fun with it. This game looks like shit.

Prime 3 is easily the weakest game in the Prime series. They added more brainless action but took away the genius exploration the first two games had. Meh.

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 29, 2010, 09:03:40 AM
It looks like MOM has set a new watermark for brainless action in the Meroid series. MP3 was better than MP2.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on August 29, 2010, 09:21:21 AM
Damn, this game is terrible. Sometimes you don't even know what you're supposed to do.

I fell through a hole and the fsp mode triggered and I couldn't change back. Scanned basically the whole area but I couldn't detect anything. I thought it was a bug.
Did a Wii reset and was stuck again. Finally found out what I had to scan by watching a fucking youtube video walkthough.

I said it many times earlier. Team Ninja is one of the most overrated devs out there. And the controls are still terrible. Don't know how this game is getting 8+ scores. No one would care if this weren't a Metroid game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 29, 2010, 11:07:13 AM
Scans in Metroid Prime suggest that it's the same being each time.

But in MoM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Samus comes across a little chick thing, kinda like gizmo from gremlins. It gradually grows up during the game into Ridley.  Except, its not really Ridley then, is it?  Its just another space dragon thing.
[close]
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: tiesto on August 29, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNVPWHaEPw[/youtube]

Like a bad dream. sigh

Why are the Japanese even allowed to make games at this point?

Well it still looks better than the Prime series...
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 29, 2010, 11:41:38 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNVPWHaEPw[/youtube]

Like a bad dream. sigh

Why are the Japanese even allowed to make games at this point?

Well it still looks better than the Prime series...

What, no! In prime if you stumbled across a pirate log you might get some background info on Ridley and some flavor text. That's all the story you needed for a game where the player is supposed to be immersed in the game by proxy of the samus avatar.  I don't need a game telling me I should be terrified or traumatised or crying like a helpless nancy. In prime games when you finally get to fight Ridley there's an entrance cinematic usually lasting less than 30 seconds and then you can procede to playing the game and figuring out how to beat it. Could you imagine if team ninja got their hands on Zelda or some shit? I just want you to imagine someone trying to get a voice actor for Link so we can hear about his traumatic childhood being molested by Tingle.

NERDRAGE
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 12:20:17 PM
Scans in Metroid Prime suggest that it's the same being each time.

But in MoM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Samus comes across a little chick thing, kinda like gizmo from gremlins. It gradually grows up during the game into Ridley.  Except, its not really Ridley then, is it?  Its just another space dragon thing.
[close]

I think we can just attribute that to MoM being a miserable pile of secrets.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 12:38:03 PM
Even Tiesto likes it because it was made in Japan
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 12:39:49 PM
EmCee, about Ridley

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The ship is making bioweapons, trying to make an army out of engineered space pirates. The reason there are even Metroids is because they took samples from her suit when she got back (the baby from Super Metroid), and even pieces of Ridley were on her.
[close]

I'm sure theres a cutscene on youtube that shows this scene
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 12:59:32 PM
Jesus Christ

BUYING PRIME TRILOGY
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: tiesto on August 29, 2010, 01:08:21 PM
Even Tiesto likes it because it was made in Japan

Yup, and I prefer 2D/2.5D over FPS any day of the week too.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 01:16:23 PM
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

GAME PERSPECTIVE != GAMEPLAY TYPE
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 01:17:46 PM
MYST IS AN FPS BECAUSE IT'S FIRST PERSON!
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: MCD on August 29, 2010, 01:23:45 PM
Zelda need this treatment.

real action, full on voice acting, long ass cutscenes, CGs, sexism, tingle rape...
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: iconoclast on August 29, 2010, 01:28:11 PM
Could you imagine if team ninja got their hands on Zelda or some shit?

Zelda would actually have good gameplay?

The story is 100% Sakamoto.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 01:29:09 PM
Team Ninja without Itagaki's team = shit
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on August 29, 2010, 01:31:36 PM
MYST IS AN FPS BECAUSE IT'S FIRST PERSON!
if you shooted thing in myst then yes it would be an fps
i don't get why people get in arms everytime someone says the game it's an fps
Zelda need this treatment.

real action, full on voice acting, long ass cutscenes, CGs, sexism, tingle rape...

the drama that would issue would be fun :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: MCD on August 29, 2010, 01:32:40 PM
Itagaki is all casual and friendly now, no longer relevant.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 01:33:55 PM
MYST IS AN FPS BECAUSE IT'S FIRST PERSON!
if you shooted thing in myst then yes it would be an fps

Because they treat it like it's an argument toward their dislike for the game when it does not play like an fps despite being first person.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on August 29, 2010, 01:53:27 PM
Team Ninja without Itagaki's team = shit

They were always a b-tier developer, even with Itagaki.

I just thought Nintendo could help them with making a decent game. I was almost right. 
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on August 29, 2010, 02:06:45 PM
MYST IS AN FPS BECAUSE IT'S FIRST PERSON!
if you shooted thing in myst then yes it would be an fps

Because they treat it like it's an argument toward their dislike for the game when it does not play like an fps despite being first person.

and exactly how does it play?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 02:11:42 PM
In first person perspective, with an emphasis on exploration and adventure, combat is lock-on with emphasis on evasion, and weak spots more so than precise shooting. Fun fact: fps games do not have lock on.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on August 29, 2010, 02:16:33 PM
even if you put it in that way,it's still a game where you move in a 3D enviroment in a first person prospective and occasionaly shoot things that try to kill you

it still has the elements i hate about an fps so why should i like it or call it in another way?

you can make a driving game about moving around a city that auto brakes for you,in my mind it's still a boring driving game
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 02:18:36 PM
Dont u have ADHD magus? Would explain a lot... you seem to get bored by things a lot.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on August 29, 2010, 02:26:31 PM
if i had i wouldn't need to complain about samus having a flashback of stuff that happened 20 seconds ago :smug
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2010, 02:38:26 PM
This game is awesome, but I haven't gotten to any of the parts that demi's weirded out by
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 02:44:36 PM
Huh? What was I weirded out by? I said the cutscene was shit and distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on August 29, 2010, 02:50:10 PM
MP3 was better than MP2.

lol no. MP2 had the best level in the series, sanctuary fortress and some fucking amazing music to boot. MP3 introduced shitty friends to Samus, meh. Also, a lot of talented staff left Retro after MP2 was done because they were bored with the Metroid series.



Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 02:58:34 PM
MP2 had the horrible dark world mechanic and an absurd key fetch quest before the finale. Samus' friends showed up a few times during the first couple hours and then once more after that, it's hardly unbearable by any means.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 29, 2010, 03:19:20 PM
Now that I'm in full "Never gonna play this game" mode I'm watching a ton of videos to see how bad it really is.

And woo boy.

it's a stinker.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Trent Dole on August 29, 2010, 03:22:09 PM
Now that I'm in full "Never gonna play this game" mode I'm watching a ton of videos to see how bad it really is.

And woo boy.

it's a stinker.
no shit
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 03:28:46 PM
Imma save my money and get Two Worlds II in a few weeks.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 29, 2010, 03:36:53 PM
i just realized I can't finish Prime now because i let a friend borrow my Wii :(
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: bork on August 29, 2010, 03:37:28 PM
LOL.  The cut scenes are what drag it down.  Game play is fun.  It still gets a "B" from me so far.  Watching this on Youtube would be boring as shit, just like any other game.  :p 

I'd say to pick it up when the price drops, but it's a Nintendo game so that won't happen.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on August 29, 2010, 03:38:31 PM
i just realized I can't finish Prime now because i let a friend borrow my Wii :(
get a cube like a real man! :smug

and chibi robo like a real japafag! :japancry
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2010, 03:43:28 PM
Huh? What was I weirded out by? I said the cutscene was shit and distinguished mentally-challenged.

I thought you didn't like the end-game gameplay stuff?  Maybe it's a case of reading comprehension ftl, sorry

the cutscenes are bad but honestly I can't imagine why that would make anyone angry.  video game stories suck, news at 11.  game is still awesome fun though
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 03:54:32 PM
Even the gameplay is weak. There's not much Metroid-ing here, and the dodging is top-level casual.

If you list it among Metroid games, it's bottom rung... but place it in a different tier then sure it's "ok" - for a Wii game
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2010, 04:00:52 PM
I think it's still Metroid, but it definitely feels more Metroid-lite.  It certainly feels like Metroid Gaiden.  I still thoroughly enjoy it, but the Prime games knew the Metroid atmosphere much more than this does.  Doesn't really get in the way of my enjoyment, though, because this game has everything I like about Metroid games: hidden powerups, fun enemy encounters, nostalgic call-backs, and a somewhat, uh, interesting take on the metroid lore.  it's cool.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on August 29, 2010, 04:05:58 PM
BrandNew, do you even own a X360 or Ps3?
It is proven that Wii-only gamers have poor gaming standards.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2010, 04:06:23 PM
I own both  ???
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on August 29, 2010, 04:10:17 PM
That is surprising.

Did you like Ninja Gaiden 2 or Bayonetta?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2010, 04:38:05 PM
I loved NG2, not as much as Black though.  I played the demo of Bayonetta and enjoyed it too, but haven't really gotten around to buying it.

I'm really not a hard gamer to please.  As long as I have fun, I'm a fan.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 29, 2010, 04:47:15 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNVPWHaEPw[/youtube]

Like a bad dream. sigh

you got your Japanese racial stereotypes in my Japanese regressive sexual politics!

let's have a baby called Metroid Other M :hump
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 04:48:44 PM
If there wasnt much of an emphasis on cutscenes they could have fit an actual Metroid game in here
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: bork on August 29, 2010, 05:00:27 PM
If there wasnt much of an emphasis on cutscenes they could have fit an actual Metroid game in here

Can't argue with that!
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on August 29, 2010, 05:15:37 PM
BrandNew, do you even own a X360 or Ps3?
It is proven that Wii-only gamers have poor gaming standards.
ehy! >:(
i'm just poor :'(
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on August 29, 2010, 05:45:59 PM
I think it's still Metroid, but it definitely feels more Metroid-lite.  It certainly feels like Metroid Gaiden.  I still thoroughly enjoy it, but the Prime games knew the Metroid atmosphere much more than this does.  Doesn't really get in the way of my enjoyment, though, because this game has everything I like about Metroid games: hidden powerups, fun enemy encounters, nostalgic call-backs, and a somewhat, uh, interesting take on the metroid lore.  it's cool.

umm all the hidden stuff are energy tanks or missiles. Because you already have the weapons on you. That is my biggest gripe with this game, how fun is it to only collect the same items over and over again? It could had used some variation for excitement. And 4 energy parts for one tank? Seriously that is straight out of Zelda.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on August 29, 2010, 05:54:35 PM
My biggest regret is not getting prime 2.

I guess I'll buy prime trilogy.

Prime2 is the most underrated Metroid game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on August 29, 2010, 05:56:40 PM
mgs3 pulled off the whole mentor/pupil plot better without having nobody calling it a feminist game
ffx pulled off the whole "main character doing a monologue" better

agree/disagree?

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 29, 2010, 05:58:55 PM
Disagree. MGS3 is garbage. Metroid is playable
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 29, 2010, 06:09:05 PM
Videogames shouldn't have stories, period
Notice how I didn't punctuate that sentence!
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2010, 06:10:13 PM
I think it's still Metroid, but it definitely feels more Metroid-lite.  It certainly feels like Metroid Gaiden.  I still thoroughly enjoy it, but the Prime games knew the Metroid atmosphere much more than this does.  Doesn't really get in the way of my enjoyment, though, because this game has everything I like about Metroid games: hidden powerups, fun enemy encounters, nostalgic call-backs, and a somewhat, uh, interesting take on the metroid lore.  it's cool.

umm all the hidden stuff are energy tanks or missiles. Because you already have the weapons on you. That is my biggest gripe with this game, how fun is it to only collect the same items over and over again? It could had used some variation for excitement. And 4 energy parts for one tank? Seriously that is straight out of Zelda.

that's what I'm talking about: that's the kind shit I like, and it's what I've liked since Super Metroid.  I wasn't implying "NEW POWERS" because I don't really care.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 06:20:57 PM
Videogames shouldn't have stories, period
Notice how I didn't punctuate that sentence!

Eh, I disagree with this philosophy because it nulls certain game types that benefit from story and dialogue, such as adventure games. Not the puny Nintendo type, but classic point and click, solve puzzles type.

I'm fine with games being cinematic (Uncharted 2) so long as they don't equate "cinematic" as lots and lots of cutscenes (FF13). There's a difference. A game can be story-based without having the story shoved down the player's throat.

Both extremes are stupid: games shouldn't have stories and all games should stories - both mentalities are wrong and illogical; like anything in life, it depends and there is no black and white.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on August 29, 2010, 06:35:07 PM
yea gotta agree with himuro

you know the thing that make me so pissy is that nintendo did story based game a long time ago!

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADGlM_O7Bak[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5wa7bP3se0[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2xg0ievVPo[/youtube]

this truth just got lost because TEXT IS EVIL OOGA BOOGA! and now we have to suffer metroid other m pissy plot as "nintendo attempt at story telling"
(the last one has a much more kickass snes remake but i couldn't find a video on youtube >:(
did i mention the remake was distribuited tough nintendo somewhat early version of the internet?
adventure games downloaded trough the web! surely the first thing that pops in your mind when thinking of nintendo amirite?)

EDIT: in case you want to see the snes remake go here
http://mmcafe.com/nico.html
and type this
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4463583
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on August 29, 2010, 06:56:06 PM
nintendo has made several story based games through out the years. It's called a rpg.

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 07:11:11 PM
Videogames shouldn't have stories, period
Notice how I didn't punctuate that sentence!

Other M's story is:

-Terrible
-Obtrusive
-Breaks the hectic flow of the gameplay
-Terrible

Putting story into games isn't the problem here.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 29, 2010, 07:30:55 PM
Stories and games are incompatible as far as I'm concerned. If I want characters and plot and being all empathic-like, I'll go watch a movie.  The last thing I want when I play a game is exposition, cutscenes, or dialouge boxes. I can stomach it if say, its like pokemon, where every person in the world has autistic spectrum disorder. All they do is talk about pokemon. What in effect happens is that the NPCs are almost like a hint system and tutorial all in one. That I'm fine with. It helps me play the game better or understand concepts integral to the core mechanics. What I cant stand is say, fire emblems impenetrable political hijinks that have jack shit to do with helping me understand important things- like which member of my party needs to talk to that one sarcastic enemy so I can recruit him.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 07:35:41 PM
 :wtf
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 29, 2010, 07:40:36 PM
It's not hard to comprehend. You better believe I skip any cutscene when applicable.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 08:03:19 PM
Story in games isn't the problem, the problem is HOW certain developers implement story into their games. Often the best game stories barely have any cutscenes (Silent Hill 2, Majora's Mask).
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 08:05:25 PM
emceegrammar annihilated.

[youtube=560,345]Zgkf6wooDmw[/youtube]
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 08:07:49 PM
Story in games isn't the problem, the problem is HOW certain developers implement story into their games. Often the best game stories barely have any cutscenes (Silent Hill 2, Majora's Mask).

Yeah, story does not equal cutscenes.

I'd also add Half-Life 2 to that list.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on August 29, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
killer7 had a pretty rad story.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 29, 2010, 08:49:32 PM
I will say, Majora's Mask was one of the few games I played where it felt like the story mattered. Often in order to solve the puzzles in the game and finish the npc specific sidequests, you had to pay attention to their motivations and pay attention to their banter. Exceptions that prove the rule and all that.

Now, I'm not as adamant against narrative as I originally let on. If you can integrate the narrative in such a way that I can safely ignore it then by all means, let the developer do what they want. Metroid Prime 1's greatest strength is that it kept its yap shut but you could read endless lore if you wanted to know what was happening in the world.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2010, 08:50:27 PM
I like cutscenes. Sometimes. I like it when a game doesn't rely on cutscenes to tell a story. I mean, cutscenes are fine, so long as they aren't 10 minutes long, badly written and extraneous.

I'll take this:

[youtube=560,345]ZLBGbUGryRE[/youtube]

over this:

[youtube=560,345]TySte_lQduw[/youtube]
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2010, 09:20:55 PM
And I will take this:

[youtube=560,345]-PjTuSQNLI4[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]vqNLd53yt14[/youtube]
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on August 29, 2010, 10:01:18 PM
Chibi Robo has one of the best stories Nintendo has put into a game. REAL TALK.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: iconoclast on August 29, 2010, 10:25:30 PM
Chibi Robo is Itagaki approved. Of course it's awesome.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on August 30, 2010, 01:13:16 AM
It was more like "my daughter likes that game."  Kinda like when I meet 20-somethings that play Pokemon and I backhandedly mention that my nephew loves it.   8)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have been bi-curious about pokemon games
[close]


the story and execution of it in this game both go against everything I believe in but....team ninja/day 1 even though they haven't made a fully satisfying game since NGBlack  :-\
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on August 30, 2010, 06:18:19 AM
"from my point of you"  :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on August 30, 2010, 01:53:14 PM
oh what a surprise gaf hates the game before it is even out  ::)
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on August 30, 2010, 01:56:26 PM
It is the worst Metroid game ever. So I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on August 30, 2010, 01:59:30 PM
It is the worst Metroid game ever. So I'm not surprised.

That is a joke right? It might not be top tier, but it certainly isn't worse then Prime3 or the dreadful Hunters.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on August 30, 2010, 02:03:18 PM
It is the worst Metroid game ever. So I'm not surprised.

That is a joke right? It might not be top tier, but it certainly isn't worse then Prime3 or the dreadful Hunters.

I've played all the Metroid Prime games, and Hunters. And both were at least 10 times better than Metroid Other M(ediocre)
Still haven't played Super Metroid and Fusion. But I'm sure those two games are better also.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 30, 2010, 03:56:37 PM
third, you are unbearable
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on August 30, 2010, 04:11:22 PM
third, you are unbearable

we finally agree on something. How  can someone say that Hunters is better than this game  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 30, 2010, 06:08:46 PM
If Metroid Prime Hunters was just called "Hunters" and wasn't a Metroid game, it would've been a pretty damn rad Nintendo game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on August 30, 2010, 07:28:27 PM
To be honest, Metoid M isn't really a bad game. It can be quite good at times, especially the bossfights. I don't even mind the shitty cutscenes. 
I just wished it was a bit harder and had the rpg elements from Ninja Gaiden. Beating the enemies isn't rewarding in this game. They're too easy to beat and easy to bypass. You can ignore the most of them.
And the game just somehow does't feel complete. It has a sterile look to it, and those stupid endless corridors.

I might finish the game tomorrow. It's a 7/10 so far.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on August 30, 2010, 09:27:37 PM
I hear there's post-game and Hard Mode that are a bit better than the main game...any truth to that?  It'd be cool if they let Team Ninja go crazy with the difficulty and AI in these parts.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on August 30, 2010, 09:31:46 PM
the post-game is maybe 15 minutes long and hard mode is basically "no upgrades at all" - which you have to go fetch 100% items to unlock in the first place
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on August 30, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
lame.  that sounds like the kind of self-imposed torture rules that people do, like beating final fantasy games with initial equips/spells.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: iconoclast on August 30, 2010, 09:50:39 PM
Honestly, the only type of hard mode that would make this game challenging is one hit death with no checkpoints (just save rooms). The easy dodging just cripples the game, but at its core it's very solid (regarding the enemy patterns and such).

Don't expect too much. This is Team Ninja trying to make a casual action game, and they do a pretty good job with it.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on August 30, 2010, 11:17:35 PM
Just saw the commercial for this, really neat. If I never heard of the game, it would've certainly got me excited for it. That girl was really cute too.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: GilloD on August 30, 2010, 11:45:05 PM
lul. Someone on GAF is complaining that someone spoiled Ridley being in the game.

Fucking really? That's like being SHOCKED that Bowser is in the next Mario game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 30, 2010, 11:48:29 PM
It's not hard to comprehend. You better believe I skip any cutscene when applicable.

asspie gamers UNITE :fistbump
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Purple Filth on August 31, 2010, 12:56:06 AM
lul. Someone on GAF is complaining that someone spoiled Ridley being in the game.

Fucking really? That's like being SHOCKED that Bowser is in the next Mario game.

link plz  :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on August 31, 2010, 02:06:00 AM
It has a sterile look to it, and those stupid endless corridors.

oh please, if you complain at that in this game, you should play Prime 2 again (purple tint hello)
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: ManaByte on August 31, 2010, 05:04:18 AM
How much did Nintendo pay GT for that infomercial?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on August 31, 2010, 05:40:54 AM
what infomercial?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: ManaByte on August 31, 2010, 11:42:26 AM
what infomercial?

Their review where they praise everything about the game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2010, 04:16:21 PM
The IGN review did pretty much the same thing.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on August 31, 2010, 04:25:50 PM
Now we know where the marketing budget went to...
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on August 31, 2010, 05:35:00 PM
They have actually been promoting the game a lot.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on September 01, 2010, 04:50:38 PM
FINALLY BEAT IT
The end boss was underwhelming. And I really hated the forced fps gunfight in the end. So frustrating.
The game had some strong elements in it. But I'm glad I beat it. Will never go back to it though. Already deleted it from my HDD.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 01, 2010, 05:32:47 PM
this is a mistake in so many areas

it's a playable but extremely flawed game, and it lacks the "nintendo polish"

I wouldn't be surprised if they stripped the Metroid characters and told me it was a $20 steam game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on September 01, 2010, 05:44:16 PM
So true.

But the game turned out better than I initially thought.
The first hour or so was absolutely trashtastic. But it got better and better.

But yeah. Not a very polished game. The endless corridors and copy&paste enemies got boring quick.
And there's barely any music in this game. A good ost would've added so much more to it.

The graphics are ok for a Wii game. It's nothing special. Some of the cg is pretty good, though.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 01, 2010, 07:48:55 PM
this is a mistake in so many areas

it's a playable but extremely flawed game, and it lacks the "nintendo polish"

I wouldn't be surprised if they stripped the Metroid characters and told me it was a $20 steam game.


wondering what you're pointing to...I see you bitching about controls in the gaf thread.  If you can't figure them out, then I'm gonna say you're just resisting the way the game wants to be played.  Like Ninja Gaiden, this game is almost a bit too smooth in the control department.  The game's progression is just streamlined Metroid.  It couldn't get any less bumpy. 

It also requires some strategizing in fights that require missiles.  Nintendo fans may not be accustomed to this...I can just imagine people trying to go into first person with 10 enemies closing in on them.  The motion is very quick too-- point, lock-on, shoot missile, within about 2 seconds.  I had to move my sensor bar more in line with my body to pull it off perfectly.


wait...unpolished?   is this the twilight zone?! :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 01, 2010, 07:50:03 PM
ether
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 01, 2010, 07:50:07 PM
The controls are fine... I'm not sure how anyone can ahve trouble
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 01, 2010, 07:51:53 PM
I think Blackace jacked Kranz Fafka's account
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 01, 2010, 07:53:20 PM
I think Blackace jacked Kranz Fafka's account

sorry, not familiar with every random gaf/bore character, so I don't know what you're referring to...
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 01, 2010, 07:53:50 PM
blackace...is like that black kid from malcom in the middle...elongated...sentences
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 01, 2010, 07:54:59 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 01, 2010, 08:03:45 PM
yeah, still no idea.  This is one of those obscure "i've been on neogaf, all of its offshoots, whatever neogaf was before neogaf and irc and newsgroups with gaf characters before they joined gaf, so I know everybody and all their quirks, despite having never met them irl" jokes.   

aka lame and at least partially connected to so many bore members' inability to get pussy :smug
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 01, 2010, 08:08:13 PM
well at least you're avoiding the issue like a pro, "Kranz Fafka aka Don Flamenco"
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 01, 2010, 08:10:26 PM
oh, i used 3 ellipses...so sue me.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on September 01, 2010, 08:11:14 PM
BTW

Who the hell was the deleter? The story didn't make any sense. I first thought it was...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anthony
[close]

It was never really fully explained.

And what about that creepy litte white creature? Did that thing transform into...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
fucking Ridley?
[close]

lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 01, 2010, 08:18:23 PM
this is a mistake in so many areas

it's a playable but extremely flawed game, and it lacks the "nintendo polish"

I wouldn't be surprised if they stripped the Metroid characters and told me it was a $20 steam game.


wondering what you're pointing to...I see you bitching about controls in the gaf thread.  If you can't figure them out, then I'm gonna say you're just resisting the way the game wants to be played.  Like Ninja Gaiden, this game is almost a bit too smooth in the control department.  The game's progression is just streamlined Metroid.  It couldn't get any less bumpy. 

It also requires some strategizing in fights that require missiles.  Nintendo fans may not be accustomed to this...I can just imagine people trying to go into first person with 10 enemies closing in on them.  The motion is very quick too-- point, lock-on, shoot missile, within about 2 seconds.  I had to move my sensor bar more in line with my body to pull it off perfectly.


wait...unpolished?   is this the twilight zone?! :lol

If you're reading the gaf thread then you should be able to figure this out. 

The game is always just guessing what you mean to do because of the 2d controls in 3d and the auto-aim. I gave an example there, I'll give it again here.

The game doesn't recognize enemies above your head often, so the game wants me to run out and turn back towards the enemy. I do what the game asks(like you suggest), but then the enemy shoots a projectile. As I press up to move away from the enemy, my back turns to the enemy. I must face the enemy for auto-aim to register it. When I press down to face the enemy, the game guesses what I mean to do and guesses that I mean to sense dodge, so I barrel roll towards the enemy, unleash a charge shot which now flies past the enemy because the game now no longer senses the enemy above my ahead again as in my auto-aim range.

That is not "just how it asks to be played', that is a concept that doesn't work.

Deal with it.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 01, 2010, 08:20:39 PM
BTW

Who the hell was the deleter? The story didn't make any sense. I first thought it was...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anthony
[close]

It was never really fully explained.

And what about that creepy litte white creature? Did that thing transform into...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
fucking Ridley?
[close]

lol

The Deleter is never answered, but if you beat the game, and look at "Characters" one of them is labeled as "Missing" - so it is implied (and this is my guess) that he was the killer.

The white creature is explained, and yes it eventually morphs into Ridley.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: iconoclast on September 01, 2010, 08:22:24 PM
Guess we'll have to wait until the sequel to deal with the deleter. :rock
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 01, 2010, 08:30:23 PM
this is a mistake in so many areas

it's a playable but extremely flawed game, and it lacks the "nintendo polish"

I wouldn't be surprised if they stripped the Metroid characters and told me it was a $20 steam game.


wondering what you're pointing to...I see you bitching about controls in the gaf thread.  If you can't figure them out, then I'm gonna say you're just resisting the way the game wants to be played.  Like Ninja Gaiden, this game is almost a bit too smooth in the control department.  The game's progression is just streamlined Metroid.  It couldn't get any less bumpy. 

It also requires some strategizing in fights that require missiles.  Nintendo fans may not be accustomed to this...I can just imagine people trying to go into first person with 10 enemies closing in on them.  The motion is very quick too-- point, lock-on, shoot missile, within about 2 seconds.  I had to move my sensor bar more in line with my body to pull it off perfectly.


wait...unpolished?   is this the twilight zone?! :lol

If you're reading the gaf thread then you should be able to figure this out. 

The game is always just guessing what you mean to do because of the 2d controls in 3d and the auto-aim. I gave an example there, I'll give it again here.

The game doesn't recognize enemies above your head often, so the game wants me to run out and turn back towards the enemy. I do what the game asks(like you suggest), but then the enemy shoots a projectile. As I press up to move away from the enemy, my back turns to the enemy. I must face the enemy for auto-aim to register it. When I press down to face the enemy, the game guesses what I mean to do and guesses that I mean to sense dodge, so I barrel roll towards the enemy, unleash a charge shot which now flies past the enemy because the game now no longer senses the enemy above my ahead again as in my auto-aim range.

That is not "just how it asks to be played', that is a concept that doesn't work.

Deal with it.


Yes, it's a concept that doesn't work.  Everybody who bought the game got totally ripped off and we all keep dying because there's that one thing on the ceiling and off-screen that we can't aim at properly!  Because that's totally a situation that is important, no, KEY to the entire game, as it puts you in soooo many situations where you must press down while trying to turn around and with a dodge-able projectile coming at you, forcing you to sense move while also throwing off your auto-aim.  It would take AGES to readjust and kill the guy a different way than with an auto-charge.

Oh no wait, I see the problem: you suck at it!  Just like everyone on gaf said. It's unanimous.  but since I'm feeling nice -- If you're running from an enemy on the ceiling and he shoots at you, sense move in any direction you want.  Or better yet, jump the shot.  Or sense move, don't fire a power shot and instead, turn around and take your pick of ways to kill it.  Nice try on setting up a false dilemma though.  
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: cool breeze on September 01, 2010, 08:31:58 PM
I picked this up earlier and only played a bit, but I have to say that the voice acting and writing are unbelievable.  Did no one listen to this? Samus's voice is is intolerable.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 01, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
I'm not trying to sense move you dumbass. That's the whole thing.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 01, 2010, 08:36:38 PM
yeah, still no idea.  This is one of those obscure "i've been on neogaf, all of its offshoots, whatever neogaf was before neogaf and irc and newsgroups with gaf characters before they joined gaf, so I know everybody and all their quirks, despite having never met them irl" jokes.   

aka lame and at least partially connected to so many bore members' inability to get pussy :smug

Man I'm too beastly at video games to be scrounging for e-cred like that. He's not exactly an obscure figure over there
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 01, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
yeah, still no idea.  This is one of those obscure "i've been on neogaf, all of its offshoots, whatever neogaf was before neogaf and irc and newsgroups with gaf characters before they joined gaf, so I know everybody and all their quirks, despite having never met them irl" jokes.   

aka lame and at least partially connected to so many bore members' inability to get pussy :smug

Man I'm too beastly at video games to be scrounging for e-cred like that. He's not exactly an obscure figure over there

:lol   yeah, but you can't expect people to actually pay attention to the social culture of that site. 

I guess the answer is that I write long sentences.  And use ellipses. 


I'm not trying to sense move you dumbass. That's the whole thing.

I got it, I know.  You're not trying to sense anything.  Yes, if you disembody this quirk and hold it up as an example of sloppiness, it's going to look bad.  In reality (the context of the gameplay), it's a 3 second moment you're talking about here.  More so, it has no discernible effect past those 3 seconds.  Because the answer is, if you want to turn around as soon as a bullet is a second away from going up Samus' wonderfully submissive vagina that I would love to dominate with my oppressive male member, sense moving is going to take priority over---GETTING HIT. WOW, fancy that?   

A lot of games have context buttons that do more than one thing and pretty much all of them have issues with that button sometimes not doing what you want it to.  I'd say this is a lot more hidden.

 Deal with it. 

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: cool breeze on September 01, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
The game isn't too bad so far.  It's a bit dull, but it seems alright.

The cutscenes are embarrassing.  They managed to make Samus completely awful in seconds.  They outdid George Lucas here.  The action is alright, it's really automatic.  The only thing I don't get is jumping on these enemies to kill them; it works one out of four times.  I don't get how I'm dodging either.  The explanation just seemed like "hold the d-pad and she will dodge", so I guess it just dodges as long as you don't stand still? I guess you need to stay still to shoot in first person.  The first person stuff is lame too.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 01, 2010, 10:14:07 PM
Just mash te d-pad and she will flip around whenever an enemy farts in her distance - hold the fire button and it will be an instant charge-shot when she lands
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 01, 2010, 10:29:13 PM
Sometimes you'll dodge when you're doing something, sometimes it won't dodge. It doesn't break the game but all the automated stuff is very iffy. It's very frustrating.

My favorite was the lava area instant death area. I kept doing that over and over because I thought if I was holding a direction it would dodge like always.  Instead I had to stop right over the death area and then move again. Game is crying out for some decent, consistent game logic.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 01, 2010, 11:43:44 PM
I died the first time through that because I thought it would sense move too.  considering the only other two buttons besides the d-pad are jump and shoot, jumping seemed like the best deduction. 

Not sure why you're overthinking this game so hard, man :lol  It is a departure from metroid as we know it, but so was prime.  I had more issues figuring out prime than I did this.  Both games are pretty awesome.  I feel like this is kind of a return to form for Team Ninja, not in the difficult action game sense, but in how addictive the game is.

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 01, 2010, 11:57:03 PM
It's not a departure. It really is nothing like a metroid game. It's just a budget action game.

I am not sure I can finish this game sober.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on September 02, 2010, 02:54:16 PM
It's not a departure. It really is nothing like a metroid game. It's just a budget action game.

I am not sure I can finish this game sober.

the game is more metroid then prime was
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 02, 2010, 03:22:48 PM
that's fucking bullshit and you know it :rofl
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 02, 2010, 06:51:49 PM
yeah, this is way too streamlined to be "more Metroid than Prime."  that's why people liked prime-- it was just first person metroid. This is more of an action game with light Metroid elements.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 02, 2010, 07:14:13 PM
I finished it. The quality of the end of the cinematic and end credits were impressive. The unraveling of the story is wtflol. I especially hate how the final boss has nothing to do with the story, and all the villains amount to nothing in the matter of the game. I just don't understand why I couldn't at least fight
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MB
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or the
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jackass federation
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Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 02, 2010, 07:31:38 PM
Who is the final boss?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 02, 2010, 07:37:53 PM
Who is the final boss?

I guess I'll spoiler this

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Technically - Queen Metroid (Metroid II)

But soon after you do a stupid ass first person shooter bit where you aresupposed to protect the scientist lady, then when "MB" (Mother Brain Android) shows herself you aim at her and fire... then a 10 minute long cutscene plays and that's the end of the game
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Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 02, 2010, 07:44:19 PM
lol

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Do you have to bomb the queen's stomach like in Metroid 2?

Someone told me the last boss was Phantoon but I guess they were full of shit. I didn't think that made much sense anyway
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Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 02, 2010, 07:46:00 PM
He is, but it's part of the "epilogue" and isnt even part of the story. He just randomly appears and you fight him.

And yes you kill it that way. The game doesnt even tell you that you can use power bombs, I made a post about it earlier in the thread. lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: cool breeze on September 02, 2010, 09:30:00 PM
"Samus, activate this suit function that makes you not die.  sorry you had to be hurting for the past half hour my bad lol"
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 03, 2010, 12:40:51 AM
I just tried to play Metroid 2 on Game Boy... after 15 minutes I couldn't take it anymore. This game is so bad. Wowee hunt metroids.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 03, 2010, 12:48:57 AM
Ahaha it is pretty awful. The screen is so cramped, too. I ruined that childhood memory when I replayed it (with a color patch even) last year
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 03, 2010, 01:06:00 AM
I fired up Sword of Hope after... that game is awesome. Wish it had a save, but save states will do just fine
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 03, 2010, 06:28:26 AM
A metroid 2 remake on 3DS could be nice. Sakamoto manages to not fuck things up when he's copying an old Metroid.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 03, 2010, 01:55:33 PM
Other M 2 is gonna be amazing. 
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on September 03, 2010, 02:03:44 PM
This game is going to bomb hard. So I don't think we'll be getting a sequel.
I would be interested, though.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 03, 2010, 02:04:56 PM
There are lots of Other Ms appearing on GAF buy/sell thread... lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 03, 2010, 03:13:49 PM
This game is going to bomb hard. So I don't think we'll be getting a sequel.
I would be interested, though.

it's going to bomb hard because 30 something guys in metallica shirts on message boards say so? 

I don't know what it'll do.  They advertised it and it has "metroid" in the title.  IIRC, Prime 2, 3, and Hunters all didn't do so hot, but here we are with another Metroid game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on September 03, 2010, 03:34:51 PM
follow these simply rules,if the game

it's not mario
there is no waggle
there are no mii
it's not dragon quest
it's not final fantasy
it's not pokemon
it's not madden
it's not call of duty

then it's going to bomb hard no matter what
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on September 03, 2010, 05:20:43 PM
This game is going to bomb hard. So I don't think we'll be getting a sequel.
I would be interested, though.

it's going to bomb hard because 30 something guys in metallica shirts on message boards say so? 

I don't know what it'll do.  They advertised it and it has "metroid" in the title.  IIRC, Prime 2, 3, and Hunters all didn't do so hot, but here we are with another Metroid game.

LOL, Metroid was never the most popular Nintendo franchise. And this game is different than the previous games.
I'll accept a one week ban if this sells over 200k in NA.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on September 03, 2010, 05:29:35 PM
going to buy 200k copies be right back :smug

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ban bets are a stupid gaf tradition
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Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on September 03, 2010, 06:10:02 PM
Oh, I thought it was an OA thing. Got banned there for a month after losing a bet a few years ago.
But I'm sure I can win this one.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 03, 2010, 08:02:57 PM
Sales wise, it may sell more in Japan than Prime. MAY.

But it will be a let down for NOA. And word of mouth is bad, so no "legs".

Good news is a sequence break was found and IT WAS RIGHT IN A SPOT I KEPT TRYING TO DO. I just didn't bomb jump right.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on September 04, 2010, 04:14:47 PM
yeah, this is way too streamlined to be "more Metroid than Prime."  that's why people liked prime-- it was just first person metroid. This is more of an action game with light Metroid elements.

Prime 3 was streamlined as well. And seriously, the whole Prime trilogy had more deviant moments than Other M was. Other M was basically a fusion + Super metroid game in 3D whereas Prime introduced many new elements and stupid characters like Rundas, Ghor, Gandrayda etc

And seriously, Metroid never had you to unlock seven temple keys (in Prime 2) in order to get to a new area.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 04, 2010, 05:43:55 PM
wiigger plz
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on September 04, 2010, 06:20:14 PM
BRING ON ZELDA
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 04, 2010, 06:26:57 PM
Good news is a sequence break was found and IT WAS RIGHT IN A SPOT I KEPT TRYING TO DO. I just didn't bomb jump right.
How much of a time saver? Would it be possible for any bosses to be skipped, or is it more like Fusion in how areas are totally blocked off until the story is progressed?

I think I'm gonna try to redo my Super Metroid run. Just reading about Other M and watching gameplay got me itching :duh
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 04, 2010, 06:50:09 PM
I can't tell how far it lets you go after you skip getting speed boost. A lot of doors are just locked off and there's no weapon system that unlocks them. They are just locked until you reach a point where it opens up areas for you. There is a lot less of "new ability leads to progression" and more just locked doors.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 04, 2010, 06:55:03 PM
Quote from: etiolate
bad word of mouth


Translation:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23157239&postcount=6659


Read in conjunction with this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23157434&postcount=6667


I like what you've had to say about games before, but man, Metroid puts a stick up your butt!
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 04, 2010, 07:07:22 PM
I just gave up on them. They kept trying to find the sentiment in what I was saying and completely missing what the words actually said.

It's not a stick up my butt, it's incredibly tiring to explain shit to people who don't understand it. I only explain it because they're joining of a conversation they clearly don't understand makes me think they do want to understand, but it kept showing that they didn't want to understand. Their last responses had nothing to do with what I posted.

And if you read other forums, SA, P-A, etc. The vibe is bad. NeoGAF is the most positive because of four or five fans trying to convince each other that its great. People are even praising the story in that thread. Sweet jebus.

Still, many new comments on the game in that thread are not positive. People are just afraid of the loony juice being passed around.

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on September 04, 2010, 07:40:31 PM
i fail to see how the story is worse than your typical marine soldier in space shooting aliens and saving planets? (etc halo)

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on September 04, 2010, 07:46:29 PM
(http://digitalunrestcomic.com/strips/2010-08-30.jpg)
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: cool breeze on September 05, 2010, 01:02:50 AM
I liked the game in the end.  I don't know if I'd say it was a good game, but I was still able to enjoy it.  It's a game I really want a sequel to just because there is so much broken shit that needs to be addressed.

The story and everything that relates to it is unbelievable.  They completely dive bomb Samus' character within seconds and it keeps plummeting throughout the game.  It takes a shit on everything Metroid from the past, oh I dunno, two decades?  all things considered, Metroid Pinball did a better job.  Ok, even take Metroid out of it and it is still awful; it reminds me of bad PS2 games like EoE.

The combat is the boring and easy and dull and the controls are fucked.  One key thing about the potential sequel is to take it away from the Wii and its nonsense controls.  Put on the 3DS, have aiming in third person or just work like MGS2, have a dodge button, have more buttons that do things, have the player doing something during combat, etc.  There are some choices that don't make sense.  When the controller is horizontal, 1 is shoot, and when it is vertical, A is shoot.  1 doesn't do anything when you hold it vertically, so why can't they let you still use that as the fire button and 2 as missiles? To do something as simple has hold a charge between view changes is you fumbling with the controller.  And why can't you move in first person? the d-pad doesn't do anything in that mode.  Sometimes you just need to change your position by a bit and the game requires you to turn the controller back to the horizontal positndoinapsndfpiasjdfpoi bottom line: is it's a hassle.    oh, and I didn't realize the game ended when it did because it was so...dull.  everything about this game is dull.

ok, I can't remember what I liked about this game anymore.  All I remember is a list of frustrating shit.  I guess I liked the parts the resembled Metroid games, just made baby easy, like highlighting all the items on your map and things like that.  This game is like the Phantom Menace of Metroid.   What the hell happened? Zero Mission was so awesome! how did Metroid games become shoddy quake clones, pinball games, and this? where did the people who made Zero Mission, or even Fusion, go? where did the people who made good handheld Zelda games go?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 05, 2010, 01:03:41 AM
Wow I totally forgot Metroid Pinball even existed... lol.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 05, 2010, 01:11:30 AM
What I'd do with this game is strip the Metroid title and theme, change the main character into a futuristic space spy with a gun and let Team Ninja have the nunchuk and go straight into a full action game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: iconoclast on September 05, 2010, 01:14:34 AM
I can get behind that. Or better yet, Team Ninja can ditch the Wii for good and make NG3 for 360/PS3.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 05, 2010, 01:15:10 AM
Or better yet, Team Ninja can ditch the Wii for good and make NG3 for 360.

Fixed. Rather not gimp their game
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: cool breeze on September 05, 2010, 01:20:54 AM
co-sign on NG3 on 360

I think this is the only action game on the Wii and I'm guessing Team Ninja assumes all Wii owners are 4 and can't handle playing video games.  They should have learned from Treasure that making a game that no one will play that's brutal and awesome like Sin and Punishment 2 is the way to go. 
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 05, 2010, 01:27:01 AM
There's Mad World and NMH to some extent. You could classify that western samurai Ubisoft game as action. I am not sure which is the best of that bunch.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 10:05:12 AM
I think the difficulty picks up nicely towards the middle-- fire/ice zones.  I died a lot on some platforming segments and in a few trickier fights, but once you get enough energy tanks, you can muscle through anything.  They've got some great enemies here with multiple attack patterns.  The game needed a hard mode where the AI is better. 

But challenge in the combat would be a new thing to the Metroid series.  2D Metroid is even easier than this game, so I'm not sure what people are smoking.  Then again, I can't remember being hampered by the controls once, either.  I've never seen so much sandy vagina surrounding a video game.

Anyone else notice that the animation for getting bit by piranhas in this game is *exactly* the same as getting bit by ghost fish in Ninja Gaiden? 

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 05, 2010, 10:06:25 AM
Only time I died was the stupid Queen Metroid fight.. thanks for telling me about Power Bombs
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on September 05, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
Ninja Gaiden 3 without Itagaki :lol

Hayashi leading a Ninja Gaiden sequel? :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 10:39:09 AM
I can already see the early interviews:  "We want Ninja Gaiden 3 to be more accessible to all players."   that game is gonna be shit.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on September 05, 2010, 10:44:23 AM
I can already see the early interviews:  "We want Ninja Gaiden 3 to be more accessible to all players."   that game is gonna be shit.

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Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 10:57:42 AM
those bug things during the first person part with MB have the same animations as the huge spider ninjas from NG2.  And the sound effect from Doku's sword when you use that life drain move.

Guess Team Ninja reused a lot of stuff for this game.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 11:02:53 AM
Watching the ending....now I understand why people hate this game.  Samus doesn't seem attainable anymore and she gets some BBC from Anthony. 
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: cool breeze on September 05, 2010, 11:05:09 AM
Only time I died was the stupid Queen Metroid fight.. thanks for telling me about Power Bombs

About that, if I never played Metroid 2, I probably would've had that problem.  The game doesn't mention anything and you have to just assume you have an attack.
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that plus the game seemingly ends when you just got the power bomb is surprising.  You were expecting to go back and open all those doors but suddenly the credits are rolling.  It's nice that they have a little epilogue bit.
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I can already see the early interviews:  "We want Ninja Gaiden 3 to be more accessible to all players."   that game is gonna be shit.

Ninja Gaiden DS is basically Ninja Gaiden 1 made really, really, really easy.  I remember people saying it was Hayashi behind it, not Itagaki (or something like that?).  I'm just trying to say I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 11:15:52 AM
that's on the DS, it kinda has to be really easy.  But NGS2 is also very easy and NGS1 is toned down from black.  I think it's safe to say NG3 will be simplified.  Even NGBlack came out before the great pussification of gamers happened this gen.  You just can't aim a tough-as-shit game at a wide audience.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on September 05, 2010, 11:18:40 AM
Watched the Spoony review. This guy is as eloquent as a drunk monkey. Why do people watch his reviews again?

At least one good thing came from that review: his comparison of Metroid Other M to Final Fantasy 13. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks, Spoony!
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 11:22:39 AM
At least one good thing came from that review: his comparison of Metroid Other M to Final Fantasy 13. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks, Spoony!


whaaaaat.  okay, lets clear this up.  There are lots of cutscenes in the beginning, there are lots of cutscenes in the end.  there are hardly any throughout the game.  They are typical japanese anime-trope gamer fare and are bad.  but they're not that invasive. 


but yeah, don't spend $50 on this, considering it's already almost half-price used.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on September 05, 2010, 11:34:27 AM
Watched the Spoony review. This guy is as eloquent as a drunk monkey. Why do people watch his reviews again?

At least one good thing came from that review: his comparison of Metroid Other M to Final Fantasy 13. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks, Spoony!

ehy i did that comparison before,i want the merit!
spoiler (click to show/hide)
don't tell anybody great rumbler gave me the idea :shh
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Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on September 05, 2010, 11:35:04 AM
So it's not like FF13 where it's run for a few minutes, cutscene, the whole game?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: magus on September 05, 2010, 11:40:59 AM
the first hour is like that,then the number of cutscene decrease,game is still about running around dull looking hallway and combat that almost plays itself

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on September 05, 2010, 11:47:04 AM
Doesn't sound like FF13. FF13 is that formula I described throughout except chapter 11.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 12:02:42 PM
yeah, it's not FFXIII level.  I think some of the early reviewers didn't beat the game or play more than an hour or two, judging by how focused they are on the cutscenes. 
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2010, 12:35:51 PM
Watched the Spoony review. This guy is as eloquent as a drunk monkey. Why do people watch his reviews again?

At least one good thing came from that review: his comparison of Metroid Other M to Final Fantasy 13. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks, Spoony!

ehy i did that comparison before,i want the merit!
spoiler (click to show/hide)
don't tell anybody great rumbler gave me the idea :shh
[close]



Imma cut you, magus.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on September 05, 2010, 02:48:17 PM
the first hour is like that,then the number of cutscene decrease,game is still about running around dull looking hallway and combat that almost plays itself



is it halo?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 03:51:50 PM
moer liek gaylol 

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 05, 2010, 06:03:21 PM
There's still tons of cutscenes. There's a segment with less cutscenes, but its still about 1/3 cutscene 2/3 game in a very short game.

Quote
I've never seen so much sandy vagina surrounding a video game.

Because it's Metroid. There is a standard here. A very high standard. That they shit on.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on September 05, 2010, 06:29:21 PM
Haha, half the Metroid series is average. What standard?
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 05, 2010, 06:36:45 PM
smh
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 06:40:53 PM
Haha, half the Metroid series is average. What standard?

lets see...

Metroid 1 - gotta respect it, but I could never finish it as a young kid without codes.  It's like Zelda 1 - very counterintuitive if you don't have someone telling you what to do.

Metroid 2 - decent, but didn't finish it

Super Metroid -- perfection of the formula

Metroid Zero Mission -- Metroid 1 done right, enjoyed it from start to finish.  Solid game.

Metroid Fusion - decent, but wasn't compelled to finish it.

Metroid Prime - amazing game!

Metroid Prime 2 - ehhhhh, wow.  what the fuck.  Why is this so dark and boring...ammo? lol.  Multiplayer? Really? They put that in there?

Metroid Prime 3 - wait, what?  awkward wii controls, space marine dialogue, split up planets?  seinfeldleavingtheater.gif

Metroid Prime Trilogy - As if we needed even more proof that Wii controls suck for first person games.

Metroid Prime Pinball - fuck yeah!!  This game rules.  

Metroid Other M - solid.  Not amazing, not horrible, definitely fun and worth a playthrough. Unless you're mentally impaired and refuse to grasp the controls (Hint: line up the sensor bar in front of you.)


Sounds about right.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 05, 2010, 06:45:21 PM
There's still tons of cutscenes. There's a segment with less cutscenes, but its still about 1/3 cutscene 2/3 game in a very short game.

Quote
I've never seen so much sandy vagina surrounding a video game.

Because it's Metroid. There is a standard here. A very high standard. That they shit on.


A segment?  it's everything in between the beginning and ending.  It is about 1/4 (2 hours of cutscenes, ~8-9 hours of gameplay) of the game.  That's pretty bad, I agree, but they are concentrated enough to make me not care.  
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 05, 2010, 06:50:25 PM
I think people will find the length of the gameplay shrinks once you know all the needle in a haystack stuff, the instant death avoids and where directly to go in lurch mode.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: iconoclast on September 05, 2010, 06:58:49 PM
Watched the Spoony review. This guy is as eloquent as a drunk monkey. Why do people watch his reviews again?

At least one good thing came from that review: his comparison of Metroid Other M to Final Fantasy 13. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks, Spoony!

I like to watch Spoony's videos because he's generally entertaining, but most of the time he comes off as fairly ignorant (even more so in his wrestling reviews). Kinda like the Giant Bomb crew.

I remember watching one of his videos (I think it was the Deadliest Warrior one), where someone posted a message saying, "Who cares about the single player options in a fighting game anyway?", he then looks at the camera and goes, "You don't play many fighting games, do you? :smug"

........SMFH
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on September 05, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
http://cid-ae3b5583d7854eab.photos.live.com/play.aspx/Metroid%20Other%20M/Metroid%20Other%20M%20040.jpg?ref=2

Holy shit.  :o :o :o

Fucking Wii hardware.  :'(

Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 05, 2010, 09:46:14 PM
samus looks good but some of the environments are real blah
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: SantaC on September 06, 2010, 04:58:46 AM
samus looks good but some of the environments are real blah

you are really embarrassing yourself on gaf today.(Segata is owning you) The fact is that the Japanese created Samus Aran and the creators can do fuck they want with this franchise and retro does not own it.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: etiolate on September 06, 2010, 06:08:35 AM
segata is not owning me jeebus

you don't even know what is being talked about

They really need better reading comprehension to be taught. I am not trying to be all uppity. It is a real problem with the matter of communication. That entire thread, as I already said like twice, is people trying to divine the sentiment of my posts and ignoring what the actual words say.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 07, 2010, 07:28:56 PM
http://cid-ae3b5583d7854eab.photos.live.com/play.aspx/Metroid%20Other%20M/Metroid%20Other%20M%20040.jpg?ref=2

Holy shit.  :o :o :o

Fucking Wii hardware.  :'(



This is really what I don't get about some folks. Those pictures aren't really breathtaking, but all the NERDS claim uprezing the assets is a night and day difference. I do like some high res textures no doubt but its like a low priority luxury.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 07, 2010, 09:03:08 PM
This guy thinks he'll love Metroid after playing this
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: OptimoPeach on September 07, 2010, 09:08:55 PM
http://cid-ae3b5583d7854eab.photos.live.com/play.aspx/Metroid%20Other%20M/Metroid%20Other%20M%20040.jpg?ref=2

Holy shit.  :o :o :o

Fucking Wii hardware.  :'(



This is really what I don't get about some folks. Those pictures aren't really breathtaking, but all the NERDS claim uprezing the assets is a night and day difference. I do like some high res textures no doubt but its like a low priority luxury.
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=30371.msg1153816#msg1153816
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=30371.msg1154153#msg1154153
:drool
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2010, 09:21:00 PM
http://cid-ae3b5583d7854eab.photos.live.com/play.aspx/Metroid%20Other%20M/Metroid%20Other%20M%20040.jpg?ref=2

Holy shit.  :o :o :o

Fucking Wii hardware.  :'(



This is really what I don't get about some folks. Those pictures aren't really breathtaking, but all the NERDS claim uprezing the assets is a night and day difference. I do like some high res textures no doubt but its like a low priority luxury.
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=30371.msg1153816#msg1153816
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=30371.msg1154153#msg1154153
:drool

I was looking for that post and couldn't find it. High resolution plus AA makes a big difference.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: cool breeze on September 07, 2010, 09:23:23 PM
the baby
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 07, 2010, 09:56:34 PM
Makes a huge difference to what? It could look like Crysis and still be a cruddy game. Like Crysis :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2010, 10:00:23 PM
Makes a huge difference to what? It could look like Crysis and still be a cruddy game. Like Crysis :lol

Might as well just use a coaxial cable while we're at it!
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: tiesto on September 08, 2010, 09:15:22 AM
Wow I totally forgot Metroid Pinball even existed... lol.

Pinball is my favorite of all the games that have "Prime" in their title.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Bulleta©™® on September 09, 2010, 04:23:56 AM
A bit late, but I hope you had fun with Super, Third.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on September 09, 2010, 10:33:13 AM
Played it for a few minutes. Escaped the exploding ship and landed on a planet.
Got the roll move but I didn't know how to activate it. Got stuck in that room, so I stopped playing. I though it was a bug in the emulator. But all you have to do is press down twice to activate it.  ::)
Going to pick it up again after I've finished reading The Passing (900+ fucking pages)
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2010, 11:06:35 AM
Oh, dear.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 09, 2010, 11:07:25 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Barry Egan on September 09, 2010, 11:53:18 AM
:spin
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2010, 11:54:02 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Bulleta©™® on September 09, 2010, 06:29:30 PM
Played it for a few minutes. Escaped the exploding ship and landed on a planet.
Got the roll move but I didn't know how to activate it. Got stuck in that room, so I stopped playing. I though it was a bug in the emulator. But all you have to do is press down twice to activate it.  ::)
Going to pick it up again after I've finished reading The Passing (900+ fucking pages)

Oops, have fun when you get back to it, then!
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: demi on September 09, 2010, 06:57:20 PM
Third is the new opa-opa...
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2010, 07:03:42 PM
doesn't the game specify you need to double tap down to go into morph ball or have i been playing metroid games for so long I just ignore that shit by instinct now? :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 09, 2010, 07:09:39 PM
third  :lol
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Bulleta©™® on September 10, 2010, 06:15:02 AM
doesn't the game specify you need to double tap down to go into morph ball or have i been playing metroid games for so long I just ignore that shit by instinct now? :lol

I couldn't remember but, nope, it just says "MORPHING BALL".  Zero Mission (and maybe Fusion) say how to use it.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Third on September 10, 2010, 01:04:44 PM
You guys  :wag

And no, the game never teaches you on how to use the roll move. Pretty stupid.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 10, 2010, 01:58:23 PM
I just feel like its assumed.  A ball.   That means you crouch.  Press down.
Title: Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2010, 03:05:18 PM
You guys  :wag

And no, the game never teaches you on how to use the roll move. Pretty stupid.

Guess you should have read the instruction manual then OH WAIT.

lmao