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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Jabberwocky on September 18, 2010, 09:14:31 PM

Title: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Jabberwocky on September 18, 2010, 09:14:31 PM
One thing to keep in mind is this is just an observation from a not-so-big anime fan - I really don't watch anime and am basing this mostly on the countless clips I've seen of older and newer anime, so many of you are likely much more educated than I am on this subject.

I've seen clips of older anime in which you'd expect gratuitous violence, like Violence Jack or GenoCyber (which notably is much more graphic than what you'd even find in recent "violent" anime shows). I guess Fist of the North Star could fit in that category too. But even more mainstream stuff like oldskool Macross has people getting crushed and eyeballs exploding. Space Runaway Ideon's finale has (SPOILERS but c'mon it's a 30 year old anime) everyone, even kids, getting blown to pieces. Princess Mononoke has people getting beheaded and dismembered and the like. Evangelion also saw kids getting brutally injured or murdered. Berserk is an obvious one.

By "older" I generally mean anime from the 70's-90's. Everything starting in the 00's, as far as I can tell, started to get much more tame. There's the occasional violence gore galore anime like Elfen Lied, but that was the defining characteristic of that series. You don't really find it so casually as you did 10-20 odd years ago, from what I can see (again, coming from someone who doesn't really watch a lot of anime).

Out of pure curiosity, could someone explain to me what shifted this tone in violence (if anything)?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 18, 2010, 09:17:00 PM
moe, it ruined EVERYTHING jappa
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 18, 2010, 09:24:10 PM
not if they want it, onii-san
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 18, 2010, 09:32:15 PM
because it no longer sells
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2010, 09:37:02 PM
People that pine away from the good old days of "Genocyber" and "MD Geist" are morons. Those were TERRIBLE.

But if you must have your modern-day violence, go watch Rin: Daughter of Mnemosyne.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 18, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
rin sucks, too many chick characters

let's get DUDES back in anime
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2010, 09:40:55 PM
rin sucks, too many chick characters

let's get DUDES back in anime

Well, there's always Shigurui: Death Frenzy. It's about two bad samurai dudes killing guys.

Or Hellsing OVA, I guess.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2010, 09:42:02 PM
rin sucks, too many chick characters

let's get DUDES back in anime

Drinky can't get enough burly dudes.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 18, 2010, 09:47:37 PM
yeah, what's the problem here

Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Jabberwocky on September 18, 2010, 09:50:46 PM
People that pine away from the good old days of "Genocyber" and "MD Geist" are morons. Those were TERRIBLE.

But if you must have your modern-day violence, go watch Rin: Daughter of Mnemosyne.

I'm personally not a big fan of ultraviolence. Seeing kids get dismembered is a bit much for me.

But I'm also not huge on the recent trend of "moeblobs". Admittedly, I tried to get into Haruhi Suzumiya. I just couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Bebpo on September 18, 2010, 09:53:15 PM
Because Japan was fairly free from censorship and worldwide attention of its media until the 90s (late 90s, really).  Then they became aware that their stuff was "not appropriate" and had to start toning it down and replacing it with moe blobs.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2010, 09:53:35 PM
Wrong?  Nothing is wrong.  I was just making note of his love for muscular boy-bottoms.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2010, 09:53:41 PM
People that pine away from the good old days of "Genocyber" and "MD Geist" are morons. Those were TERRIBLE.

But if you must have your modern-day violence, go watch Rin: Daughter of Mnemosyne.

I'm personally not a big fan of ultraviolence. Seeing kids get dismembered is a bit much for me.

But I'm also not huge on the recent trend of "moeblobs". Admittedly, I tried to get into Haruhi Suzumiya. I just couldn't do it.

Read the anime thread here. People are talking about good shows all the time, that way you don't have to waste your time on garbage [which there is plenty of].
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 18, 2010, 10:46:38 PM
Gantz is at best punishingly mediocre, but I'd be lying if I said the exploitation elements and crazy violence didn't keep me watching and at least sporadically entertained.

Hey, how's the new series of The Guyver and Golgo 13?  It would break my heart if Duke Togo was pussified for the new generation.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2010, 11:04:11 PM
Princess Mononoke shocked the shit out of me. Starts out like a typical action cartoon then all of a sudden WTF BEHEADED BY A FUCKING DEMON ARROW.

Maybe I should check out this Evangelion you speak of.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2010, 11:32:15 PM
Dont check it out pd.  Watch cowboy bebop instead.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2010, 11:41:20 PM
Gantz is at best punishingly mediocre, but I'd be lying if I said the exploitation elements and crazy violence didn't keep me watching and at least sporadically entertained.

Hey, how's the new series of The Guyver and Golgo 13?  It would break my heart if Duke Togo was pussified for the new generation.

The new Golgo 13 is pretty good, as is the new Cobra the Animation.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 01:09:30 AM
Hyperzone: new golgo 13 owns.

Princess Mononoke shocked the shit out of me. Starts out like a typical action cartoon then all of a sudden WTF BEHEADED BY A FUCKING DEMON ARROW.

Maybe I should check out this Evangelion you speak of.

Fuck Eva.

Watch this.

[youtube=560,345]5OKeAo8La3Y[/youtube]
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 01:15:02 AM
Dont check it out pd.  Watch cowboy bebop instead.

that too.

[youtube=560,345]BFKUgSCv_Aw[/youtube]
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 19, 2010, 02:09:52 AM
I looooove Eva (especially End of Eva, which I once watched back-to-back five times in one day) though more for the angst than the violence
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:12:46 AM
Still the greatest.

[youtube=560,345]e2sigoxms50[/youtube]
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2010, 02:13:07 AM
It's pretty good, but not the best.

Sword of the Stranger is pretty good too, although not quiet as much:

[youtube=560,345]q-UN-yAi-gg[/youtube]
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2010, 02:13:16 AM
Hyperzone: new golgo 13 owns.

Princess Mononoke shocked the shit out of me. Starts out like a typical action cartoon then all of a sudden WTF BEHEADED BY A FUCKING DEMON ARROW.

Maybe I should check out this Evangelion you speak of.

Fuck Eva.

Watch this.

[youtube=560,345]5OKeAo8La3Y[/youtube]

Is this a show or a movie?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2010, 02:19:08 AM
It's a four-episode OVA that was released as a single movie in the US.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:19:33 AM
Four thirty minute episode ova (straight to video release).

But there's a directors cut that combines all the episodes into a two hour film and adds/changes some stuff.

Sword of the Stranger is good, but it lacks the emotional touch that is Trust and Betrayal.

It's a four-episode OVA that was released as a single movie in the US.

No. It was released on two video (vhs) and two dvds. It was later released as a feature film.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2010, 02:20:47 AM
Sword of the Stranger is about getting as many crazy action scenes crammed into its runtime as possible.

Trust and Betrayal is a samurai drama with a few crazy actions scenes peppered through its runtime.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:22:50 AM
I demand more samurai anime. Fuck. That time period in history balls out awesome. Is there a Blade of the Immortal anime?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:23:25 AM
Sword of the Stranger is about getting as many crazy action scenes crammed into its runtime as possible.

Trust and Betrayal is a samurai drama with a few crazy actions scenes peppered through its runtime.

I prefer Trust and Betrayal more because I like the drama.  :D
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2010, 02:23:53 AM
Is there a Blade of the Immortal anime?

Yes
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:25:19 AM
I want a Lone Wolf and Cub animu
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2010, 02:27:30 AM
"I prefer Trust and Betrayal more because I like the drama."

                                /
                               /

(http://www.gemaga.com/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/2a652edf9a2b8c84e28044255afccf4e.jpg)
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:29:11 AM
Fuck you. Someone adapt Trust and Betrayal into live action along with Revenge arc. My Kenshin boner is not satiated.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2010, 02:32:49 AM
The Rurouni Kenshin franchise as a whole has been pretty much dead since the manga ended in 1999.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:34:23 AM
laalalalallalalalala can't read what you're saying lalalalalalalalalala

i will get revenge arc animated someday and i will die happy
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2010, 02:39:32 AM
sounds cool Himu. I'll try to find a download link
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: chronovore on September 19, 2010, 05:16:54 AM
It's probably two factors, the PTA and mainstream Japan's specific distrust of otaku. Which might only be two symptoms of the same factor: public backlash.

There were some freaky incidents over the last twenty years or so involving otaku, and as a disorganized, unaffiliated social group, it was easy to ostracize them without fear of consequences. The PTA identified many forms of anime as being a bad influence on children, so the anime industry has cleaned itself up to sell better. I think.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Disposable White Guy on September 19, 2010, 08:09:37 AM
[youtube=560,345]6AYaFL6SWmk[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]FqGbE9yLLA4[/youtube]

:japancry
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 11:01:15 AM
sounds cool Himu. I'll try to find a download link

http://www.bakabt.com/148923-samurai-x-trust-betrayal-rurouni-kenshin-tsuioku-hen-rabbit-force.html
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Diunx on September 19, 2010, 01:11:16 PM
Himuro with the real talk

:bow Samurai X :bow2
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2010, 01:13:20 PM
sounds cool Himu. I'll try to find a download link

http://www.bakabt.com/148923-samurai-x-trust-betrayal-rurouni-kenshin-tsuioku-hen-rabbit-force.html
torrentz :piss

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6WSK02BC
this right?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Beezy on September 19, 2010, 01:16:47 PM
sounds cool Himu. I'll try to find a download link

http://www.bakabt.com/148923-samurai-x-trust-betrayal-rurouni-kenshin-tsuioku-hen-rabbit-force.html
torrentz :piss

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6WSK02BC
this right?
That file is way too small...
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2010, 01:19:19 PM
this one looks good
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TYVL533I

244mb?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Diunx on September 19, 2010, 01:23:35 PM
It's probably an mkv.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2010, 01:32:43 PM
might have to torrent  :'(
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: MCD on September 19, 2010, 01:42:26 PM
[youtube=560,345]02klXnoErzk[/youtube]

blood and gore  :drool
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 01:51:38 PM
what's wrong with torrents
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 01:58:09 PM
The soundtrack man

[youtube=560,345]yamkuCSX8a8[/youtube]

haven't watched this in a year. Time to do my yearly watch. :rock
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2010, 02:00:39 PM
I need a torrent downloader or whatever to get it right.

torrents take forever and I don't want them dl'ing while my brothers are playing games
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:04:18 PM
Torrents don't take forever at all. I'm dling that very torrent I linked. The torrent is 1gb, and it's going at 720kbs and will be done in less than 30 minutes.

Just get utorrent, install it and dl the torrent.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2010, 02:05:26 PM
ok i'll do it tonight :fbm

I haven't done any torrenting on my new computer. Did it a few times on my old one and it slowed things down
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:10:18 PM
cool. To watch it you'll likely have to have cccp installed, though.

http://www.cccp-project.net/

Just play in windows media player classic (comes with cccp)and you're good.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: MCD on September 19, 2010, 02:12:32 PM
http://www.cccp-project.net/beta/

Latest beta is much better.

I also recommend PotPlayer as an alternative if you don't like codec packs:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=148745
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2010, 02:17:47 PM
I haven't gotten the latest beta. What's so great about it?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: MCD on September 19, 2010, 02:21:05 PM
http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=CCCP_Beta_Testing_Guide

For me, this is the best part: "2009-12-07: MPC-HC r1400. Fixes delay in loading on Win7."
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Beezy on September 19, 2010, 02:41:58 PM
ok i'll do it tonight :fbm

I haven't done any torrenting on my new computer. Did it a few times on my old one and it slowed things down
You must have been using something other than utorrent.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Shuri on September 20, 2010, 07:12:08 PM
Companies figured out they could make way more money selling pedolicious material to sick fucks.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2010, 07:46:43 PM
Is this it? (megavideo stream)
http://www.megavideo.com/?d=7O99123A

should be episode 1 right
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2010, 07:54:02 PM
Just rent it from Netflix or something. Geez.  :lol
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
is it the right one, yes or no homo  >:(
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Rman on September 20, 2010, 08:52:34 PM
The Guyver was ridiculously violent.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2010, 10:30:04 PM
PD, word of warning, the first episode may be confusing for a lot of people who aren't familiar with Japanese history. 

But yes it's episode one.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2010, 02:28:02 AM
I'm watching this and it's the gayest shit ever. This little kid is a sap

edit: oh shit I take it back, Kenshen Anakin-san :bow

stingy ass Obi Wan won't share the sake smh

what's up with Banjo Guy. he sick or something?

kk shit was dope, will watch again
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2010, 11:18:28 AM
Banjo guy has tuberculosis as does Okita of the Shinsen Gumi.

Time Period: Bakumatsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakumatsu)

Characters:

Banjo Guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takasugi_Shinsaku)

JUSTICE IS INSANITY guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kido_Takayoshi)

BLUE GUYS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinsengumi)

kid in the shinsengumi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okita_S%C5%8Dji)

I smell blood dude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sait%C5%8D_Hajime)

Guy who Kenshin is based off of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawakami_Gensai)

There were four hitokiri (assassins) during the Bakumatsu and Meiji Restoration. The guy Kenshin is based off of worked for the Choshu clan, who helped overthrow the Shogunate.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Robo on September 21, 2010, 11:39:21 AM
[youtube=560,345]02klXnoErzk[/youtube]

blood and gore  :drool

jesus, i remember watching this as a kid.  guyver 1's screaming at the end was fucking traumatizing.

Is this from the OVA series or the short one-off?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2010, 11:58:15 AM
[youtube=560,345]vQh26wKS6f8[/youtube]

:bow
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2010, 12:15:31 PM
[youtube=560,345]vQh26wKS6f8[/youtube]

:bow

[youtube=560,345]_eR8yaOepkg[/youtube]
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: MCD on September 21, 2010, 12:51:46 PM
[youtube=560,345]02klXnoErzk[/youtube]

blood and gore  :drool

jesus, i remember watching this as a kid.  guyver 1's screaming at the end was fucking traumatizing.

Is this from the OVA series or the short one-off?
OVA
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2010, 03:06:52 AM
watching episode 2  :o

I should probably watched the subtitled version, but the dub is so hilarious

Kenshin Anakin-san's new gf is hot. is there any nudity in this?

white plumbs lol

too many long names. Ok so the empire attacked a rebel alliance meeting in hopes of killing their leader (Insanity Guy) and Kenshin Anakin-san. In the process they burnt down Kyoto. So now Kenshin and his new wife Padme are running away. that's what I got at least
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Beezy on September 22, 2010, 12:33:06 PM
I can't believe PD is watching anime :-[
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 12:53:40 PM
Basically, the Shogunate's special task force the shinsengumi (their leader being Miyabe) tried to mend ties with Katsura and Choshu, but Katsura wouldn't go for it. In order to lure Kenshin, the ishin shishi (the assassin organization he works for) and the Choshu (Katsura's outfit, the rebels) they decide to burn the capitol.

Episode 3 is my favorite one.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 12:57:38 PM
I can't believe PD is watching anime :-[

If we can get his ass to use torrents I will have him watch Now and Then, Here and There. Being a fantasy homo he will love it.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Beezy on September 22, 2010, 01:03:31 PM
I can't believe PD is watching anime :-[

If we can get his ass to use torrents I will have him watch Now and Then, Here and There. Being a fantasy homo he will love it.
Or get him to use netflix. I haven't watched it either but I have it in my instant streaming queue. Most likely the dub though.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Things I'm looking for: lots of action and shit, violence and good stories with cool characters. I like this samurai shit because it reminds me of Princess Mononoke a bit. So yea, more stuff like this please.

no guns or robots
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 01:26:03 PM
I just wanna suggest stuff with good story. Does it HAVE to have a lot of action?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2010, 01:28:53 PM
Nah, but no gay shit
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 01:32:32 PM
All of these are films aside from Kino and Now and Then, Here and There, Ghost in the Shell: SAC and Samurai X, which you are watching.

I'd say go with Ninja Scroll or Akira next.

- Samurai X
- Ninja Scroll
- Akira
- Vampire Hunter D
- Fist of the North Star movie
- Nausicaa
- Porco Rosso
- Whisper of the Heart
- My Neighbors the Yamadas
- Millennium Actress
- Tokyo Godfathers
- Perfect Blue
- Castle in the Sky
- Paprika
- Voices of a Distant Star
- The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
- Now and Then, Here and There
- Kino's Journey
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
I've seen Castle In the Sky and Millennium Actress, both were amazing.

What about shows that are like Princess Mononoke? Are there more Samurai X shows?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2010, 01:36:39 PM
Things I'm looking for: lots of action and shit, violence and good stories with cool characters. I like this samurai shit because it reminds me of Princess Mononoke a bit. So yea, more stuff like this please.

no guns or robots

Sword of the Stranger
Samurai Champloo
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust
Blood: The Last Vampire
Berserk [if you can stomach the worst cliffhanger ending ever]
Mezzo Forte [watch the censored version unless you like porn]
Claymore
Fist of the North Star movie
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 01:36:48 PM
What elements of Princess Mononoke would you like to see in a tv series? The SAVE THE ERF philosophy or the OMG ACTION part? Or the fantasy?

Samurai X has a tv series, but I wouldn't say it's worth watching. There are a few good anime samurai tv series, but none are particularly bloody.

If you want a good fantasy story with blood and guts and fantasy and FUCK YEAH then watch Berserk or Twelve Kingdoms.

If you want more samurai then watch Samurai Champloo.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Beezy on September 22, 2010, 01:41:52 PM
Watch Ninja Scroll next, PD. Every black dude who watches anime has seen it at some point.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2010, 01:42:24 PM
I liked the action in Princess Mononoke. The save the erf shit was cool but meh, I don't want more of it. Give me something with sword fighting, action, big ass animals, wars, etc. And maybe some political intrigue
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Beezy on September 22, 2010, 01:43:27 PM
wars, etc. And maybe some political intrigue
Stop hating on robots and watch Gundam, goddammit.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2010, 01:43:31 PM
I liked the action in Princess Mononoke. The save the erf shit was cool but meh, I don't want more of it. Give me something with sword fighting, action, big ass animals, wars, etc. And maybe some political intrigue

Check my post, PD. I got your hook up.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2010, 01:47:14 PM
I'm gonna check out Ninja Scroll and Sword of the Stranger
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 01:48:30 PM
I liked the action in Princess Mononoke. The save the erf shit was cool but meh, I don't want more of it. Give me something with sword fighting, action, big ass animals, wars, etc. And maybe some political intrigue

Berserk.

But yes, watch Ninja Scroll next. MAKE SURE IT'S THE ORIGINAL NINJA SCROLL and not Ninja Scroll Resurrection.

Also, FINISH SAMURAI X.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 22, 2010, 01:56:48 PM
Berserk is ok for the first 2/3 and then gets silly.

Cowboy Bebop should be your next show PD!
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 01:58:55 PM
smh arvie
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Beezy on September 22, 2010, 02:08:10 PM
Wtf is Ninja Scroll Resurrection?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 02:23:39 PM
A sequel where Jubei does some shit and the Japanese Christian religion have a reincarnated Japanese Jesus. Fucking stupid bullshit. Ends with Japanese Jesus dying inside a burning shrine and some chicks fucking him for his seed before he dies and they run away. Shitshithsithist
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 22, 2010, 03:00:28 PM
PD should watch Evangelion. I wish to read his thoughts on the series.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 03:05:53 PM
ugh
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2010, 03:19:22 PM
If you're going to watch Eva, just skip the series and go straight to the movies.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Beezy on September 22, 2010, 03:28:22 PM
Don't watch Eva...
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Vizzys on September 22, 2010, 03:31:19 PM
eva holds up well I think, deffo worth a watch
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Chinner on September 22, 2010, 03:40:04 PM
are there any animes where babies get murdered? cause that would be a pretty good anime.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Purple Filth on September 22, 2010, 03:48:03 PM
are there any animes where babies get murdered? cause that would be a pretty good anime.

possibly but there is a manga where one is murdered by using a blender.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2010, 04:22:23 PM
are there any animes where babies get murdered? cause that would be a pretty good anime.

Hellsing OVA
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2010, 04:28:02 PM
I've been told Eva is the Citizen Kane of anime
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2010, 04:30:27 PM
I've been told Eva is the Citizen Kane of anime

Err...no.

Eva is like David Lynch presents Ken Akamatsu's Gigantor.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2010, 05:48:52 PM
I've been told Eva is the Citizen Kane of anime

:rofl
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: magus on September 22, 2010, 06:32:39 PM
Kaworu was his sled
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Purple Filth on September 22, 2010, 08:34:36 PM
are there any animes where babies get murdered? cause that would be a pretty good anime.

Hellsing OVA

Oh i forgot about that.  :lol
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 22, 2010, 08:57:28 PM
Might as well wait until Hellsing OVA is finished.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2010, 09:02:36 PM
Might as well wait until Hellsing OVA is finished.

:rofl
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2010, 02:51:22 AM
episode 3

oh great, gay shit. reminding me of that dumb romantic montage towards the end of Casino Royale. hopefully Padme dies and Kenshin Anakin-san flies into a rage/kills everyone.

edit: that spinning thing, is it his totem?  :o

why would they tell him to go to town and pretend to be a merchant when the empire is looking for him? he'd stick out. he's gonna get caught dammit

fffu she's leaving her knife home

kinda confused, does she know Kenshin killed her fiance?

lol who didn't see this twist coming. traitor  :omg

lol @ her bitch ass brother. and ahh she does know he killed her fiance

ffffuuu @ the end. Great episode
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Beezy on September 23, 2010, 03:59:32 AM
weeaboo
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 23, 2010, 08:07:17 AM
They should have made Iizuka's betrayal more ambiguous.

Episode 3 is fantastic, episode 4 is great too.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on September 23, 2010, 10:02:40 AM
I heard about GenoCyber through TVTropes, but never watched it. Is it that bad?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: archie4208 on September 23, 2010, 10:05:43 AM
I heard about GenoCyber through TVTropes, but never watched it. Is it that bad?

:nsfw
spoiler (click to show/hide)
[youtube=560,345]pXZ2bTigdGY[/youtube]
[close]
:nsfw

I don't even watch animu anymore and I knew about it.  It looks repulsive.  :yuck
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2010, 10:07:59 AM
Here's a review of Genocyber that I wrote:

Quote
I'm not a big fan of Koichi Ohata. I thought that MD Geist was laughably bad, that MD Geist 2 was horrible, that Cybernetic Guardian was forgettable, that Ikkitousen was laughable but a bit of a guilty pleasure, and that Burst Angel was mediocre but had its moments. He has yet to do anything that I truly enjoyed, nevertheless, I have derived some enjoyment from his works, on one level or another. Nothing, however, prepared me for Genocyber.

The story in Genocyber is...poorly told, at best. Scenes skip around with reckless abandon, never staying too long on any single point long enough for the viewer to get a feel for what's going on why its worth caring about. It also skips ahead, in the last two episodes, about two hundred years.

Considering that this is an OVA from the mid-90's, I'd expect it to at least have decent animation. There are a few scenes with decent animation, but most look like they were pulled directly from a cheap OVA that came out ten years prior. Now, I'm not a stickler for animation, but I do ask that it's at least accompanied by something interesting in the art. Genocyber doesn't have that either and it leaves the whole affair looking rather generic and boring. Some of the action scenes look okay, but those are few and far between. And very short.

Now, the characters. There are characters in Genocyber, I know this much. Unfortunately, there is not one character that is developed beyond a single line of description. You've got an evil genius, wait, scratch that, TWO evil geniuses that want to rule the world or something, a super-powerful girl that can't talk, her super-powerful sister who's sole purpose is to complain to her father about her sister, hard-nosed detective looking for the truth who disappears after midway through the first episode, and a host of others who serve no reasonable purpose. All five episodes have enough character development to fill a thimble halfway. The only characters that are even remotely likable are the two mains from the episodes 4 and 5, but, as with every other character in the series, they have little development.

Enjoyment? I didn't enjoy it. At all. The two and half hours that this OVA ran were beyond painful, easily amongst the most depressing and bloated I've ever put myself through. The shows takes everything it does with the utmost seriousness. There's no humor here, even unintentionally. At best, you can chuckle a bit at how bad the dub is, which I attempted to, but that really didn't last long since it the horribleness of the dub slowly bled into the horribleness of the rest of the show and succeeded in only making me feel more depressed about the whole affair.

I don't know why I gave this a 3 instead of a 1. I really don't.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on September 23, 2010, 10:24:20 AM
I heard about GenoCyber through TVTropes, but never watched it. Is it that bad?

:nsfw
spoiler (click to show/hide)
[youtube=560,345]pXZ2bTigdGY[/youtube]
[close]
:nsfw

I don't even watch animu anymore and I knew about it.  It looks repulsive.  :yuck
Ouch.  :yuck
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 23, 2010, 10:33:52 AM
PD make your own anime thread.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2010, 02:40:22 AM
episode 4. then I'll make my own thread  :o

wtf was she apart of the plot?

shit's getting deep  :o

I hope her brother dies

fists vs sword  :lol

omg no  :'(

yea that was pretty good. really liked the tunes btw, will dl soundtrack

Sooo this is the only good Samurai X?
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: bork on September 24, 2010, 05:03:04 AM
A sequel where Jubei does some shit and the Japanese Christian religion have a reincarnated Japanese Jesus. Fucking stupid bullshit. Ends with Japanese Jesus dying inside a burning shrine and some chicks fucking him for his seed before he dies and they run away. Shitshithsithist

It's not a sequel to Ninja Scroll.  The company that put out Resurrection took an unrelated series (they draw from some of the same source material) and used the Ninja Scroll name again because they figured they could make more money off it that way. 

Quote from: Some Wikipedia Nerd
In North America, the Ninja Resurrection anime films were marketed as sequels to Ninja Scroll, but were actually created by a separate animation studio. The only similarities they share is a lead character named Jubei. The Jubei in Ninja Resurrection was famed swordsman Yagyū Jūbei, not Jubei Kibagami from Ninja Scroll.

Ninja Scroll did get a pseudo-sequel TV series, but I don't think it ever came out in English.
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 24, 2010, 07:29:42 AM
Ninja Scroll did get a pseudo-sequel TV series, but I don't think it ever came out in English.

No, it did. I never watched it, though.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DHT6QJAWL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 24, 2010, 08:29:17 AM
episode 4. then I'll make my own thread  :o

wtf was she apart of the plot?

shit's getting deep  :o

I hope her brother dies

fists vs sword  :lol

omg no  :'(

yea that was pretty good. really liked the tunes btw, will dl soundtrack

Sooo this is the only good Samurai X?

Not exactly. Samurai X, or better known as Rurouni Kenshin, was originally a comic book. The MANGA is top form from beginning to end and includes the story you watched as one of its many story arcs. There is even a later story arc involving a grown up Enishi who tries to kill everyone Kenshin loves out of spite and revenge for what Kenshin did to his sister. The tv series has its moments but is mostly mediocre and is a stark contrast to what you just watched. The second ova, Remembrance, is...well, it's solid, but it'd be lost on someone who hasn't read the manga or watched the tv series. Not to mention that what you watched is the most realistic depiction of the Kenshin story there is. No secret moves, no yelling SOMETHINGSOMETHING STYLE, POOP IN YOUR FACE!!!!  so it'd probably be odd transitioning. I'd suggest reading the manga if you want more Kenshin, but if you want more anime, don't bother.

MAKE YOUR OWN ANIME THREAD, PD

Title: Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
Post by: Himu on September 24, 2010, 09:14:48 AM
Evangelion is a good series, I'd say great even. Most of my problem with it stems from the fans and the idolation Eva recieved back in the early 2000's late 90's. Jaydubya is 100% correct in regards to expectations in regards to Eva. Back when Eva's popularity was growing it was widely regarded as "the greatest anime" "the best anime" and more. I watched it, thought it was great, but the ending made me hate it.

While I won't say that Evangelion is the Citizen Kane of anime, when it comes to anime tv it's...close. It's a very influential tv show and a lot of anime follow its example to a tee and its influence on the industry is vast and not just in mecha anime.

That said, I'd say save Evangelion for when you're ready for tv series. Concentrate on movies first.