It was alright, nothing spectacular. Book doesn't really pick up for a while anyways.
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when shane dies it gets better
I got the comics for Secret Santa last year and loved them, but found that once it gets to the spoiler (click to show/hide)
prison
I didn't feel that way until spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Governor storms the prison on a fucking tank
Just fyi, GIGANTIC plot spoilers in that tag, do not open.
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I even found Michonne a little too much. The woman was a lawyer and now she's some sort of ninja? That's a huge amount of suspension of disbelief required.
Her character kind of makes sense though, since spoiler (click to show/hide)
the author felt it necessary to put the cast into really impossible situations, like the rape and imprisonment, so might as well have an impossible character to fight those dangers away. She is too much. WAY too much. I really didn't like where the book went once they got to Woodbury.
tl;dr - ITS NOT THE GRAPHIC NOVEL TELEVISION AND MOVIES SUCK I HATE CREATIVE LIBERTIES AAARGH
my mind was crafting this reply almost to the letter as I was reading his post. i even added the "AAARRGH" at the end in my mind :lol
the pilot -
loved it. it knew when to stick close to the pages and when to take some liberties. really awesome stuff.
I really do hope the first season is the only one that sticks close to the novel. it would be boring watching this show when you know pretty much where the plot is going to go. spoiler (click to show/hide)
going up to where Carl kills Shane is a good point to divert itself from the pages and go it's own route. tbh the prison storyline would be kind of boring on screen
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Morgan goes to the bedroom window and tries to kill his wife.
:bow Frank Darabont :bow2
:bow AMC :bow2
The biggest difference between the pilot and the first issue of the comic is that the comic wasn't fucking boring.
:daps
My man :smug
You know you're in trouble when your main supporter is Diunx.
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Hey, Diunx!
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they're getting kicked out of the prison.
Can't wait to see what happens.
methodis, i read your spoiler. fml. does that happen fairly soon? hope it happens in this season.
can someone answer this one?
it's about spoiler (click to show/hide)
shane's death
it started getting really comic-booky right around the prison issues
samurai/ninja assassin type new character, supervillain "mayor," fallout-style sadistic "raider" group, cannibals, etc
he's since taken a step back from that and gotten better, but he probably ought to wrap it up within a year or so as there is quite a bit of wheel-spinning and he's been leaning heavily on standard cliches for a while
I must admit, while I still think this is the best zombie comic evar, and some of the best zombie fiction I've seen, I'm entirely inclined to agree with you. It's using more comic book tropes than before. But as long as no-one shows up in tights and a cape, I think I'm OK with it. The Woodbury incident was probably my favorite arc to-date. spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Governor is clearly meant as an example of what Rick could theoretically become if things had gone another way, or where he still might go if he isn't careful. They didn't have to give the Governor a child in his care, they didn't have to remove an arm; those things are there to draw parallels.
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Zombie gut rub-downs? Disgusting. :bow2
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Douglas, the ex-senator is clearly suffering from a bloated sense of entitlement, and also seem stuck in The Old Ways, wanting to assign people a duty so that each person has their spot. The reality of the new world is a critical need for malleability, adaptability, the willingness to do whatever it takes to survive... not just filling one's role in society.
Carl is remarkably realistic about the viability of maintaining their good luck; it was nice watching the reality wash over Rick, and his support of his boy as well.
episode 3
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Shane :bow2
taking out his anger on a wife beater
episode 3
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Shane :bow2
taking out his anger on a wife beater
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The wife crying over her beat-up dead-beat husband was a big time eye-roller, though. :lol
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Shane standing over the body as the all the women cheer him on. Or at least the wife picks up his cigarette and puts it out in the husband's eye.
emotions are so passé
i was hoping that when rick and his gal bone, and she says,"don't worry he won't wake up" they show the two of the kissing for one moment, transition, show the kid wide awake with his eyes open wondering what the fuck that noise is.
wasted opportunity.
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Then Shane walks in and starts crying. Then he goes and wakes up the wife beater guy and takes his anger out on him.
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Not quite sure why redneck dude hacksawed his hand off, rather than the handcuffs....
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for me, ending the season on Carl killing Shane just makes sense. it's such a huge moment and is a perfect cliffhanger. but... i dont see them getting us there in 2 more episodes. they would have to quickly transition into Shane/Rick tension next episode and play it hard going into the 6th then have the moment where Shane, Rick and Carl go hunting. i just dont see it happening tho.
tbh i'm worried they might not even go that route at all. which would be disappointing. while i do want this show to find it's own story, that particular plot point really needs to stay IMO.
Lori really tears into Shane there at the end. I thought, "wow, Lori's even more of a bitch than she is in the comic!" But it looks like they're setting it up differently than the book. spoiler (click to show/hide)
Shane told her that Rick had died; she or Shane told Carl. In the comic, it's much more of a "the world is ending" moment of weakness and doubt.
Carl is badass. He's really going to be great as things ramp up. I got chills when he was talking to his mom in the tent.
He obviously cut off the hand he used to eat the chocolate covered pretzels.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfVVjpVZP8I[youtube]
Good christ.
great episode
some series finale spoiler theories/comments related to the comic:
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at this point if they are going to kill Shane this season then it's likely not going to be at the hands of Carl. well... they could still go that route. but the way i see it, the plot line that leads up to that scene needs some build up that simply isn't here yet. we need Rick and crew grounded for some time and Carl starting to learn how to shoot. we need Rick and Shane to have a serious power struggle. based on what we see for the next few episodes I don't think it's going that way. that said, it doesnt necessarily mean Shane won't still eat it. they may have Merle kill Shane. I really hope that's not how they do it tho. i do like it for the show to find it's own way in terms of story but Carl killing Shane is the one thing that needs to stay i think.
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they've already said shane's gonna last longer on the show than he did in the comic
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he'll probably still get taken out by carl, but i am thinking it will be during the prison period
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they've already said shane's gonna last longer on the show than he did in the comic
Thought that would happen
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Don't think there has been enough build up yet and two episodes isn't enough time.
My guess is that Shane makes some bad calls at Hershel's farm and that is a big part of it. There is a lot to work with there where a character can lose his head, and you kinda see it happen to Rick in the comic. Just have Shane willing to kill Hershel and the others to protect his group or something.
That and there is more to Shane now than there was before.
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that Merle (however you spell it) will be The Governor. The idea is because he lost a hand become of Rick, so when he eventually takes Rick's left hand, it can be revenge.
It's not gonna wrap up in a year - he's got it planned out through #150 at least.
Where'd you see that?
It's like you don't trust me implicitly in all things! :wag
Put some meat on your bones and we can talk again as men with similar values.
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Here, have a donut.
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cut the conspicuously shown warning lines, which had noisy tin-can bells hanging from them, probably after confirming that his brother wasn't in the camp.
It's really damned stupid though to keep ANYONE tied to a tree when the camp is under constant threat from zombies wandering nearby. Shane basically asking him to understand and checking to see if they're going to be copacetic while Jim is still tied up? What the hell? "Why don't you untie me so I can at least flee if a zombie comes by, and then we can work out our personal issues, m'kay?"
Also, everyone who said this episode is 80% crap is wrong. It's 90% crap. The addition of the faction INSIDE ATLANTA is dumb enough, but spoiler (click to show/hide)
why the hell are los cholos de retirement home entirely unmolested by zombies despite being downtown? If they aren't downtown, why wouldn't they give Rick and his guys a ride back to their van? Where are they getting enough food to look after so many senior citizens? How many have they had to wrangle and cap after they pass on naturally?
Here's an idea: WRITE CRAP WHICH MAKES SENSE.
The non-latino ones were turned into carnitas and menudo when local supplies began to run low.
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:drool
Gotta admit, I'm damned happy that Kirkman is getting paid for his accomplishment, and that I've got a weekly zombie TV show to watch because of it.
Invincible next, please.
Tonight sucked.
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Seriously, 20 minutes of crying over a corpse for half a day, melodramatic acting, stupid "morals" such as burying vs burning when they're infected anyways, stupid moralizing the treatment of a dude who is infected and an endangerment to the whole camp, 5 minutes of them saying goodbye to Jim - and even then why the fuck did he choose to just turn into a zombie instead of just asking them to blow his brains out? - stupid forced character development (Shane goes from asshole with a head on his shoulders to psychopath who is willing to kill his best friend in the sum of two minutes for no reason just because of a petty disagreement), stupid scientist who ruins everything because of one accident (touching acid...really?), stupid cliche' "evil" government facility;etc
It contained every single living thing I hate about the horror genre (especially zombie ones) in the time span of one hour.
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Dead Amy was way hotter than Alive Amy :-[
I wonder if they'll up the T&A content now that it's airing on Starz in the US?
I hope so.
:heartbeat Gwen
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:tauntaun
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Shane stuff.
oh, so he wasn't lying about Rick dying! he's a good guy!
oh, he just tried to rape Lori...hmm, maybe he isn't good?
oh, everyone is cool at the breakfast table!
oh, he's going crazy with a shotgun...whatever fuck it
yeah, finale was good except for
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Shane stuff.
oh, so he wasn't lying about Rick dying! he's a good guy!
oh, he just tried to rape Lori...hmm, maybe he isn't good?
oh, everyone is cool at the breakfast table!
oh, he's going crazy with a shotgun...whatever fuck it
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it's clearly setup for killing him off next season. glad they've started early. and it was pretty obvious everyone wasn't "cool" at the breakfast table. the only two that knew about the rape situation (lori and shane) are clearly very tense and trying to hide it. shane going crazy shooting stuff is just showing his downward spiral.
yeah, finale was good except for
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Shane stuff.
oh, so he wasn't lying about Rick dying! he's a good guy!
oh, he just tried to rape Lori...hmm, maybe he isn't good?
oh, everyone is cool at the breakfast table!
oh, he's going crazy with a shotgun...whatever fuck it
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it's clearly setup for killing him off next season. glad they've started early. and it was pretty obvious everyone wasn't "cool" at the breakfast table. the only two that knew about the rape situation (lori and shane) are clearly very tense and trying to hide it. shane going crazy shooting stuff is just showing his downward spiral.
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I was exaggerating a bit, but it was still clumsy. Last episode had him aiming at Rick thinking about pulling the trigger. A lot of the time it feels unwarranted and it's just there to make him seem like more conflicted; it's like someone said "shit, we're making him look good with him really thinking Rick was dead...have him rape Lori or start throwing out racial slurs or something." The time when he should have lost his shit was when the scientist dude told everyone about what Rick said, and while he did, it wasn't directed at Rick.
The comic, despite having less information about the character, was able to have a smoother decent. Here it feels like random bursts of anger, which isn't much different than Daryl, except since it's Shane it has 'meaning'.
Plus, Lori was a much bigger bitch in the comics.
edit: someone brought up a really good point about the whisper in the gaf thread
*comic spoilers*
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the doctor probably whispered that Lori was pregnant
The comic's pace is a bit more relentless, if you want to consider a deaths- or horrible-shit-per-issue ratio. One episode of the TV show... well, hell, didn't we go 5 episodes with one death? One? In the comic, you're never sure who's going to be safe. Likely no-one, except Rick. Rick is the point of the series: how does a man change when faced with cataclysm?
Yeah, a lot of characters die in the comic. The movie is pretty tame.
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the prison arc was so harsh. It seemed as if all main characters died piece by piece. I almost screamed when they shot and killed Lori and the baby. Tyreese's death was also brutal.
Don't think the show will ever reach that plottwist.
the only thing that bothers me about the show is the old white dude's forelorn surprised face
O_O
And Carl always has a cry face. So annoying.
Does the CDC thing even happen in the comics? I know they go to Washington DC eventually
In the comic, they go to Washington because of that mullet-sporting scientist... spoiler (click to show/hide)
...who turns out not to have been a scientist, just a guy who is really good at lying and self-preserving.
They continue toward Washington anyway, since they're already on their way and nothing else is presenting itself, IIRC. Which makes about as much sense as heading back to Atlanta, because you've gotta know any major city is going to be overrun, same as Atlanta. But the weird thing is Dr. Mullet just seems to disappear from the storyline from the time he's found out as a fraud, through the end of the 12th trade paperback.
Does the CDC thing even happen in the comics? I know they go to Washington DC eventually
In the comic, they go to Washington because of that mullet-sporting scientist... spoiler (click to show/hide)
...who turns out not to have been a scientist, just a guy who is really good at lying and self-preserving.
They continue toward Washington anyway, since they're already on their way and nothing else is presenting itself, IIRC. Which makes about as much sense as heading back to Atlanta, because you've gotta know any major city is going to be overrun, same as Atlanta. But the weird thing is Dr. Mullet just seems to disappear from the storyline from the time he's found out as a fraud, through the end of the 12th trade paperback.
I read some spoilers earlier about DC
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concerning The Governor and Rick's wife dying (can't wait for that, tired of her). I wonder if Meryl will be the Governor?