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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Himu on March 22, 2012, 02:39:57 AM

Title: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2012, 02:39:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW5mZey1iXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0HxvZwc14g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWJ0a0AVCEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQuLdVB9CsI
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on March 23, 2012, 03:33:52 AM
I'm watching the mad men cast on PBS and Weiner says he doesn't know why people think Betty is a bad mom. Januarary Jones seems offended that people dislike Betty. Though may all be explained by Weiner thinking that Betty has matured and I don't think most of the audience agrees.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Barry Egan on March 23, 2012, 07:11:46 AM
If Betty is meant to be portrayed as a good mother then I am inclined to say that January Jones just doesn't have the chops to make that real for the audience.  Then again I often think that she was cast because her static limitations as an actress actually made her well suited for the role of Betty. 
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on March 23, 2012, 07:29:29 AM
Well it was Weiner who thought she was a good mom. I don't see where that comes across in the writing. Her relationship with her daughter isn't exactly endearing.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 23, 2012, 07:41:20 AM
I don't think they want to portray Betty as a good mother but a mother that's just a product of her times. I'm not sure. In any case I really like Betty and find her story the saddest on the show next to Don's. Did Weiner really say she is a "good mom"? Or is that you paraphrasing?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on March 23, 2012, 07:46:25 AM
My paraphrasing, but it may be a direct quote. There was like a defense of the character Betty by both Weiner and Jones. The quote may have been like "A lot of people think she's a bad mother, but I don't see that."
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on March 23, 2012, 07:47:29 AM
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Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on March 23, 2012, 07:51:53 AM
My personal favorite scene of the whole series.

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Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 23, 2012, 07:54:23 AM
Well that doesn't mean she's a GOOD mother either. I don't think she's necessarilly a bad mother, but she's certainly not good with kids. I don't think you can say Don is a particularly good father either, though be certainly likes kids. People can say Don treats his kids well all they want, but ultimately this is a dude who fucked his kids teacher, even after he was found out to be a cheater. Why? Just because!
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on March 23, 2012, 07:59:49 AM
The difference is that Don fears abandoning his children because of his past and his childhood, so even though his life is a mess and probably needs psychologist girlfriend, he proposes to the nanny girlfriend because the children like her.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on March 23, 2012, 09:28:56 AM
going to have to avoid the internet on monday until I get home from work :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2012, 04:31:52 AM
recaps for people who forgot the story aka fegs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCPW6DNHcIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9O0-zkTHbc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n36Lcs4TXwc
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 24, 2012, 04:46:40 PM

She's cold. She's emotionally and, occasionally, psychically abusive. She molested her daughter's ten-year old friend. She fired their beloved nanny/house-keeper. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2012, 06:46:28 PM
She didn't molest Glenn.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 24, 2012, 06:50:28 PM
I watched the first 30 minutes of this when it first started. Didn't like it. Found the subject focus really boring, and it looked like a poorly recreated Hitchcock style by people who weren't there, so feel the need to be totally anal about everything from that era.

USA vs Japan in WW2 with the kid from Jurassic Park was far better.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
???
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2012, 06:57:10 PM
Still on S2 lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 24, 2012, 07:00:33 PM
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Oh The Pacific. It starts really dull, but maaaaaaan. The last couple of eps are some really intense stuff. More so when on drugs.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 24, 2012, 07:23:58 PM
She didn't molest Glenn.
Molest: To subject to unwanted or improper sexual activity.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 24, 2012, 07:24:39 PM
Going from other stuff that she has done that I've seen, I don't think January Jones has the acting range to be anything other than a cold, distant stepford wife.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 24, 2012, 07:25:05 PM
this show is bad i only watched part of season 1 up to the part where don goes to kill his brother but gives him money instead its so dumb. its like charles in charge except for nerds
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2012, 07:26:11 PM
She didn't molest Glenn.
Molest: To subject to unwanted or improper sexual activity.

Er. Glenn walked in on her in the restroom dude.

Your memory is fuzzy. At most, she let him cut some of her hair.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 24, 2012, 07:31:43 PM
this show is bad i only watched part of season 1 up to the part where don goes to kill his brother but gives him money instead its so dumb. its like charles in charge except for nerds

This is such a dumb post that it cracked me up.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2012, 07:37:10 PM
So does Betty ever do anything with the kid she gave a lot of hair to? I need to know
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 24, 2012, 07:38:38 PM
So does Betty ever do anything with the kid she gave a lot of hair to? I need to know

Nothing sexually.

There is some stuff that goes on between them on Season 4.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 24, 2012, 07:39:53 PM
I seriously have no clue what Flannel Boy is talking about. She didn't molest Glenn. ???
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 25, 2012, 03:44:54 PM
my problem with this show is its just too convenient. its like things are here and happen just so they could tell a story instead of making these real characters. so you get ludicrious situations.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2012, 04:06:42 PM
that's not mad men at all. you seem to be talking about breaking bad.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 25, 2012, 04:15:20 PM
no it is mad men at all. it's convenient that theres a gay and lesbian employees. it's convenient that don has a brother who is a pain. it's conneient that dons brohter sees him on the train when he little and his mother tells him he's not there. its just too damn convenient
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2012, 04:18:21 PM
there's only one gay employee, and they use it as a vehicle to explore what it's like to be gay in the 60's. don having a brother is not convenient, neither is his brother seeing him on the train. convenient is "I walked into a random bar and met the father of the daughter I accidentally killed tonight who happens to kill himself a year later because he was an airplane pilot, crashed a plane, killing and injuring many and it's all my fault."
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 25, 2012, 04:19:22 PM
no himuro it's convenient and u forgot that red hair bitchs roommate was a gay too. it's too convenient. there werent that much gays back then and i meant convenient that dons brother kills himself and also other examples. the show is basically convenient the show
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2012, 04:20:02 PM
God you're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on March 25, 2012, 04:21:29 PM
no just yorue a giant fucking fanboy
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2012, 09:00:57 PM
It's here!
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Positive Touch on March 25, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
CHILD PORN ALERT
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2012, 09:51:01 PM
Holy shit, this episode is treating Pete like he's the new main character almost and Don seems together now
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2012, 11:23:47 PM
Great season opener. I laughed so much.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on March 25, 2012, 11:27:23 PM
Great season opener. I laughed so much.
Yes. This was definitely one of the funniest episodes so far.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2012, 01:14:15 AM
no himuro it's convenient and u forgot that red hair bitchs roommate was a gay too. it's too convenient. there werent that much gays back then and i meant convenient that dons brother kills himself and also other examples. the show is basically convenient the show

 :teehee
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 26, 2012, 01:47:53 AM
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Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on March 26, 2012, 04:11:42 AM
Amazingly, Don and Megan's marriage is even weirder than I assumed it to be.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on March 26, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Am I crazy or is Jessica Pare a reeeaaaaaaaaally terrible actress?  She makes January Jones look like Meryl Streep.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on March 26, 2012, 09:53:53 PM
No, she played the part that was written. It just seems that Weiner likes to marry Don to messed up little girls.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 08:45:04 AM
Loved Pete in the second episode, and any episode with a long Harry appearance is great.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on March 28, 2012, 12:21:50 PM
Solid first episode(s). Seems like Don is losing his bite even more this season, at least it seemed like he barely cares about the company anymore.

I also didn't feel that Jessica Pare did a bad job, in fact I felt the portrayal of their relationship in the first half of the show convincing (especially as the ending of the last season left a sour taste in my mouth, was a big fan of Faye). The sex scene was weird tho, I almost thought Don was going to rape her.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 28, 2012, 04:47:49 PM
Next episode Betty comes back.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 06:42:17 PM
I enjoyed the two episodes without her. But she'll need to be in it as we see Sally's spiral into a coke whore.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2012, 06:52:20 PM
Don't you dare talk about Sally like that. :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 28, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Am I crazy or is Jessica Pare a reeeaaaaaaaaally terrible actress?  She makes January Jones look like Meryl Streep.

Considering how January Jones is fucking terrible at best, I can't imagine anyone could be any worse.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 07:00:37 PM
Jones is a bad actress? I've only seen S1 and half of S2, but I have no qualms. Is this just a case of people not liking the character, and thus projecting on the actress (like say, Skylar in Breaking Bad)?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 28, 2012, 07:08:43 PM
She also apparently is a terrible person in real life too.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 28, 2012, 07:22:03 PM
She's not a terrible actress in Mad Men -- Betty Draper is literally her and it's the role she was born to be. Outside of Mad Men, though, eh...
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on March 28, 2012, 07:32:57 PM
She's really not that bad at all in seasons 1 and 2; she was perfectly cast in that role.  But the Betty character is so terrible, shallow and one-dimensional in seasons 3 and especially 4 that her diminishing appearance is welcomed.  They nearly go so far with her awfulness to justify some of the cruelty she suffered from Don early on, which is sad really.  I'm not sure it was done consciously to pull the audience to Don's side exclusively, but that's certainly the effect it's had.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2012, 07:36:42 PM
I wouldn't say Betty is one-dimensional at all. January Jones can't act and is just a pretty face, but she does the Betty role well, and the role was specifically written for her.

The kids on the set are scared of January.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on March 28, 2012, 07:43:33 PM
She's very one-dimensional in season 4.  The entire arc of the Francis family there is maneuvering around Betty being insufferably self-centered.  It's just caricature of aristocracy in a nuclear family at this point.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 07:44:03 PM
She portrays Betty with a cold, almost childish awkwardness; like a malfunctioning Stepford Wife. I can't really think of another female character Betty Draper could be compared to in terms of her personality and behavior.

If anything that weirdness is what makes people dislike the character as well as the performance, which could be a testament of how good Jones actually is.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2012, 07:46:19 PM
I thought most of Betty's character development in season 4 mostly came from her "therapy" sessions.

Season 3 Betty certainly isn't one-dimensional, and this is mostly through the character of Grandpa Gene and his relationship with Sally and how he's trying his best to avoid her becoming another Betty.

I think Betty's story is totally sad. :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2012, 07:47:04 PM
She portrays Betty with a cold, almost childish awkwardness; like a malfunctioning Stepford Wife. I can't really think of another female character Betty Draper could be compared to in terms of her personality and behavior.

If anything that weirdness is what makes people dislike the character as well as the performance, which could be a testament of how good Jones actually is.

In seasons 3 and 4 she's a bitch, dude. Catch up.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 07:52:18 PM
To be fair, her husband treats her like shit. Her finally snapping shouldn't be blamed entirely on her.

There needs to be a Betty defense force
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 28, 2012, 08:30:04 PM
She's very one-dimensional in season 4.  The entire arc of the Francis family there is maneuvering around Betty being insufferably self-centered.  It's just caricature of aristocracy in a nuclear family at this point.
She's spent so many years being "less than" her husband. I can imagine becoming very self-centered when you're free from that oppression. Betty still remains first and foremost the #1 victim of sexism on the show, and her character changes have been a direct byproduct of that.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
Also - Alex Mack looks 40 :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on March 28, 2012, 09:34:49 PM
To be fair, her husband treats her like shit. Her finally snapping shouldn't be blamed entirely on her.

There needs to be a Betty defense force

I think there would be a Betty defense force if her response to Don's behavior wasn't at the same low level as Don's behavior. She runs off with a Daddy complex with another man. Same thing for Don going from Betty to Megan. Since Don is a central character and has his work life to provide some sort of respectable thing about him, people forgive him more. Betty just doesn't have anything going on besides her married life, so there's not a lot to redeem her character even if you sympathize with her situation.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2012, 09:53:56 PM
To be fair, her husband treats her like shit. Her finally snapping shouldn't be blamed entirely on her.

There needs to be a Betty defense force

Betty is more complex than that, she is a self centered child because that's how she was raised to be. She was taught to get married, fuck having a career, and have lots of babies. She grew up being taught and idolizing that lifestyle. That was her "value" as a woman. She had to give up her life and aspirations. Mad Men is complicated because it's a show about expectations. Betty bought into housewife "ad" and it has left her unhappy. The same is true for every character depending on what "ad" of life they bought into.

I'd think Betty would feel more happy with her own career and own life separate from her family life.

As for a Betty Defense Force, you're looking at it. Zephyr and I are literally THE defense force for Betty.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Also - Alex Mack looks 40 :(

Who does Alex Mack play?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 10:06:59 PM
Kenny's wife/fiance
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2012, 10:14:52 PM
No wai
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 10:41:40 PM
(http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2012/03/Mad-Men-Alex-Mack-1332774026.jpg)
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Barry Egan on March 28, 2012, 10:51:20 PM
I feel old all of a sudden
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2012, 12:20:16 AM
To be fair, her husband treats her like shit. Her finally snapping shouldn't be blamed entirely on her.

There needs to be a Betty defense force

Betty is more complex than that, she is a self centered child because that's how she was raised to be. She was taught to get married, fuck having a career, and have lots of babies. She grew up being taught and idolizing that lifestyle. That was her "value" as a woman. She had to give up her life and aspirations. Mad Men is complicated because it's a show about expectations. Betty bought into housewife "ad" and it has left her unhappy. The same is true for every character depending on what "ad" of life they bought into.

I'd think Betty would feel more happy with her own career and own life separate from her family life.

As for a Betty Defense Force, you're looking at it. Zephyr and I are literally THE defense force for Betty.

I'll have to catch up faster. Too busy writing my Betty Glenn fanfic
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on March 29, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
(http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2012/03/Mad-Men-Alex-Mack-1332774026.jpg)

 :-\ :'(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 01, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
FAT BETTY
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 01, 2012, 11:40:12 PM
Such a weird episode.

This was the first average episode of Mad Men I can think of. I enjoyed it, but ultimately it felt like filler. Such a weird episode.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Barry Egan on April 02, 2012, 12:12:48 AM
Fat Betty owns
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on April 02, 2012, 12:22:29 AM
Fat Betty coming out of the bath was terrible. :-\
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 02, 2012, 12:34:48 AM
Fat Betty had my mouth open in shock at least 4 times. January is or was with child, no?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 02, 2012, 12:47:31 AM
I hate Betty. I really want to enjoy the Fat Betty schadenfreude, but I'm having a hard time.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mandark on April 02, 2012, 02:21:44 AM
Is January Jones still in the show?  God she's a fucking terrible actress.  She somehow cheapened that X-Men movie that was already bad enough.

Second this.  I wasn't sure for the longest time, though.  "Is she bad, or just playing a character with stunted emotions and empathy?"  I was leaning towards bad when X-Men cinched it forever.

Had the same problem with Adrian Grenier on Entourage.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: ZephyrFate on April 02, 2012, 03:56:40 AM
I like Betty now that she's depressed, though.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on April 02, 2012, 04:45:22 AM
omg fat betty lol

Find out the cancer tests were negative? BITCH ABOUT BEING FAT
Mother and Daughter time ends early? EAT THAT BRATS SUNDAE
Husband says he still wants your bod? GRENDEL'S MOTHER EMERGES FROM THE DARK DEPTHS
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 02, 2012, 10:24:17 AM
I'm pretty sure that Betty lied and she has cancer.

Phone rings and it's for Henry and another phone rings that coincidentally lets Betty pick up the phone and have the opportunity to lie? Check.
Friend hints at lying about having cancer so no one knows and she wants her husband to think she got hit by a car? Check.
Ominous foreshadowing in her dream? Check.
Eat her little girls ice cream, probably out of despair and depression? Check.

Either that or it's Betty being her childish attention whore self.

Some of the anti-Betty posts on the internet are weird and force me to side with her.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on April 02, 2012, 06:44:25 PM
I figured she didn't have cancer, but I can see her lying about that. It seems strange for the writers to bring in such a dark cloud just to shoo it away.

I kind of hope they don't go that route though, because it would be cheapened sympathy for Betty. Something about the way Weiner handles her bothers me. It's almost patronizing. It's almost like we're supposed to get "Poor, hopeless Betty" when she is awful in some way to somebody.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on April 02, 2012, 07:27:25 PM
No way in hell could Betty be told that she has cancer and she manages to keep it to herself.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on April 04, 2012, 07:20:14 PM
No way in hell could Betty be told that she has cancer and she manages to keep it to herself.

Plus she's not a good enough actress to be able to pull it off.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on April 10, 2012, 09:49:03 AM
No posts Himu-chan?

I enjoyed the two episodes without her. But she'll need to be in it as we see Sally's spiral into a coke whore.

It begins
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 10, 2012, 10:03:56 AM
Still haven't watched, it's on my dvr. Sunday has a lot of shows I watch.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on April 10, 2012, 11:59:54 AM
I enjoyed the two episodes without her. But she'll need to be in it as we see Sally's spiral into a coke whore.

It begins
oh shit :lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 10, 2012, 12:36:22 PM
They've done a good job with Sally sounding like Betty.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 10, 2012, 03:34:52 PM
No posts Himu-chan?

I enjoyed the two episodes without her. But she'll need to be in it as we see Sally's spiral into a coke whore.

It begins

:rofl
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on April 10, 2012, 04:12:44 PM
I'm a bit tired of those "oh it's only a dream" tricks. I guess it was very obvious in this case so it's not that bad but still.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Steve Youngblood on April 10, 2012, 04:17:39 PM
Yeah, it didn't really work for me, either.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 10, 2012, 04:53:10 PM
I've been a pretty big Mad Men fan since the beginning. This season is really boring me.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on April 10, 2012, 05:43:23 PM
I'm also not super enthusiastic about the beginning of this season but I think it will get better. The seasons get more interesting when the directions in which the story and characters go become clearer imo.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on April 10, 2012, 07:54:59 PM
I don't know how you couldn't see Sally's downward spiral coming. Red flags have been waived since the beggining. It's my favourite part of the show.

I just rewatched season 4.  Peggy and Don's relationship that season is about as perfectly written a relationship as you can have on TV

Agreed, Peggy is such a fantastic character.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2012, 08:02:37 PM
Finally watched the episode to prepare for tonight. Good lord.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on April 15, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
Tonight's episode was amazing. I still have a big smile on my face. Lane fucking Pryce. :lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on April 15, 2012, 11:14:07 PM
Tonight has awesome Lane Pryce?

I'm psyched.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2012, 01:41:02 AM
Jesus Christ, tonight was amazing.

The whole arc and emasculating Pete and his hopes, wishes, fears...holy shit. And the poem at the end by Cosgrove? Point. Amazing, just amazing.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on April 16, 2012, 03:30:17 AM
Tonight has awesome Lane Pryce?

I'm psyched.

PRYCE! :bow :bow
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2012, 10:48:31 AM
I love how direct they're taking the characters this season. Pete seemed to have a well adjusted family life (for the most part) before this season. This latest episode, he cries in an elevator and glares at a teenage girl getting finger banged by an young, hot jock he unsuccessfully coerced. Pete was utterly, devastatingly emasculated this episode. Which is funny, because I always thought that's the "ad" of life that Pete bought into.

Pete wants to be the big alpha male like Don Draper. He starts the show seducing Peggy not only for the thrill, but because he wants to literally be Don Draper - or at least, that's my interpretation. It makes the character communication between the two even more interesting tonight. Here Don is, Pete's ideal, and he won't bang a hooker. Five or so years ago when Pete joined Sterling Cooper, Don probably would have been all over that. And now, after Don successfully fixes Pete's pipes (haha), he makes him look like a buffoon by taking the moral high road and it stings like a bee. "That's rich coming from you."

This point is made even further by his prostitute scene where HE becomes the king for a while. Finally, Pete does something no one can fault him at.

And yet we see Pete fail, continuously, as he tries to achieve that Draper "ideal". One that probably never existed to begin with. We see Pete emasculated in every single area Don won over time and time again (remember the "fight" with the comedian in season 2? Don ended that quick.)

Such a thrilling episode. I don't remember the series treating the other characters like it would Don before, but they really pulled their punches this episode.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 16, 2012, 12:34:51 PM
Anyone else catch Pete calling Don "Dick" when he ran to get the toolbox?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: ZephyrFate on April 16, 2012, 04:57:11 PM
This last episode bitchslapped every other critically acclaimed show. mad men you are king.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 16, 2012, 06:48:45 PM
I don't remember the series treating the other characters like it would Don before, but they really pulled their punches this episode.

You mean they DIDN'T pull any punches.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2012, 06:51:10 PM
kill me
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on April 16, 2012, 06:51:51 PM
No, you know, like they pulled back real far, like a sling shot.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 16, 2012, 06:52:11 PM
Just trying to help.  :P

edit: :lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2012, 06:57:14 PM
No, you know, like they pulled back real far, like a sling shot.

:lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 17, 2012, 04:01:20 PM
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Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Vertigo on April 17, 2012, 04:44:11 PM
Another great episode. I like Pete he can be a little prick but his got heart.

Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on April 17, 2012, 05:05:07 PM
Harsh what they did to Pete in this episode. After he was contionously portrayed as a looser that can never touch Draper, I felt they built him slowly up over the last season. Now the writers really put him down again. I actually started to feel for Campbell, when I actually enjoyed that he got put into his place by Draper before.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on April 17, 2012, 08:15:00 PM
Awesome episode. Loved Trudy telling people what to talk about at dinner.

I never really liked Pete in season one but he's grown to be one of my favourite characters. I like that they've broken him down by not being happy now he has everything he saw Don have before.

Anyone else catch Pete calling Don "Dick" when he ran to get the toolbox?

:o will be watching this again later.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 18, 2012, 12:10:37 AM
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Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on April 18, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: brawndolicious on April 18, 2012, 02:37:06 AM
Sterling must be loving this after how Campbell screwed/humiliated him with the airline deal.

Pete doesn't have anything slowing down his spiral. He's in that limbo of having an incredible ego but no confidence and no goals...has the actor who plays Pete been confirmed to come back for another season? Maybe they'll actually have Pete Campbell killed off this season. Either by suicide or by drunken shenanigans.

That would be huge. The table's certainly set for that, he has no willingness to follow anybody else's advice and he wants something he can't figure out. This season has already been paying too little attention to how Don's family life though so I'm doubting they'll have enough time to spend on a Pete-suicide arc. I'm sure the writers have thought about it though.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 19, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
Still kinda weird seeing him play this character after Connor on Angel.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 19, 2012, 03:59:01 PM
there are a shit ton of theories out there that campbell is going to kill himself this season
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Positive Touch on April 22, 2012, 10:27:42 PM
yes, this is awesome :lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 22, 2012, 10:31:47 PM
this is the best episode ever
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 22, 2012, 11:05:40 PM
what the fuck :lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2012, 12:24:35 AM
Just watched the ep in S2 where Don finally punches Jimmy Barret. Thank god

also omg Don's secretary nom nom
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on April 23, 2012, 12:42:51 AM
omg this episode

Megan: Why don't you call your mother?
Don: =O
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2012, 12:46:46 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 23, 2012, 01:15:11 AM
I thought last weeks was better myself but I can't fault anyone for preferring tonight's. The last three episodes of this season have been fantastic.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on April 23, 2012, 01:17:20 AM
I like the way Peggy rolls
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 23, 2012, 01:18:17 AM
Peggy owned tonight. She is fast becoming my favorite.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on April 23, 2012, 01:22:07 AM
She's always been my favorite. Her and Don normally have the strongest stories and interactions. I'm wondering if they pursue the bit about her and Kosgrove having a deal to move up in the world together. Ken seemed to have her back in that meeting even though she was pissing on his client.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Positive Touch on April 23, 2012, 07:21:39 AM
peggys always been the best because shes the only one thats not a total fucking asshole
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 23, 2012, 09:20:17 AM
Last night's episode was great.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 23, 2012, 12:45:47 PM
peggys always been the best because shes the only one thats not a total fucking asshole

Cosgrove, Sal.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 23, 2012, 12:57:19 PM
I'm not sure about the way AVclub interpreted the robot story. The robot story seems like it could go two ways: the robot pulled the screw because he knew what would happen, and wanted to prove he wasn't a robot (aka Pete acting out), orrrrr the robot did it because it was taught to, and it doesn't know anything else.

What do you think?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 23, 2012, 01:10:04 PM
Who cares. You're reading to much into a passing moment of the show. One from a minor character at that.

I loved Cooper's scene. It's about time he told Don to get back to work.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 23, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
:wtf
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 23, 2012, 04:34:52 PM
The interesting thing about the murders is that the names come about to spell Dick Whitman.  :P

I'm not sure about the way AVclub interpreted the robot story. The robot story seems like it could go two ways: the robot pulled the screw because he knew what would happen, and wanted to prove he wasn't a robot (aka Pete acting out), orrrrr the robot did it because it was taught to, and it doesn't know anything else.

What do you think?

I suppose it is ambiguous, and since Cynthia says it "predicted" the Whitman murders, it makes it even more ambiguous. Whitman was a Marine, i.e. a robot with the power to kill, was he doing it to prove he wasn't a robot or because it was the only thing he knew how to do? Since 60s sci-fi was all about man's shortcomings told through stories of robots and aliens, it was a brilliant bit of writing in the show.

Who cares. You're reading to much into a passing moment of the show. One from a minor character at that.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Positive Touch on April 23, 2012, 04:59:46 PM
peggys always been the best because shes the only one thats not a total fucking asshole

Cosgrove, Sal.

i barely even remember what cosgrove has done, and sal was in a loveless marriage.  anyway peggy is cooler than both

Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on April 23, 2012, 05:17:11 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Barry Egan on April 23, 2012, 05:25:50 PM
:wtf

What happens when the stylings of Ayn Rand becomes your point of reference for good storytelling.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 23, 2012, 07:07:44 PM
:rofl sorry biz
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on April 24, 2012, 11:10:05 AM
Loved Roger's bit in that episode.  Soundtracked perfectly, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyhU2mVyFAk
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on April 26, 2012, 03:28:03 AM
yah that song fit perfectly for the situation of the characters and the lucidity of the scene
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on April 29, 2012, 07:07:42 AM
Anyone else catch that the doctor was named Leary?

peggys always been the best because shes the only one thats not a total fucking asshole

spoiler (click to show/hide)
A few episodes she was worried the black woman would take her stuff.
[close]

But that's about it.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2012, 09:11:04 AM
One time Peggy argued that being a woman is harder than being black with some guy in a pub, that was so weird
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Positive Touch on April 29, 2012, 10:54:17 AM
 :'( peggy why do you let me down
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on April 29, 2012, 09:40:40 PM
She's still the only one who seems to feel remorse or guilt when she does something horrible.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on April 30, 2012, 12:55:49 AM
The corruption of Sally is in full effect. :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2012, 05:34:44 AM
Too bad, because Sterling and Sally were awesome.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2012, 06:29:33 PM
The corruption of Sally is in full effect. :(

Disagree. She described the city as "dirty" so I think she didn't like it.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on May 06, 2012, 08:33:01 PM
Too bad, because Sterling and Sally were awesome.

Yeah that part of the show was hilarious. And I loved Pete showing Don's wifes parents what his job was.

Interesting that the over-riding story arc this year is that everyone's lives are shittier than they thought except for Roger, whose life is turning around.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
:rofl PETE :rofl
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 06, 2012, 11:30:44 PM
What a brilliant ending montage with Tomorrow Never Knows.  :o

And Pete fucked Rory Gilmore? :o
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on May 07, 2012, 12:09:50 AM
What was the Don elevator shaft scene about?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2012, 12:36:46 AM
i have no fucking clue, beezy
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2012, 01:15:56 AM
I'm guessing that it represented the separation he feels from Megan now that she's pursuing her dreams. The pitch to the Miracle Whip people pretty much seals that idea because it showed earlier how much of a team the two of them were.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: blame space on May 07, 2012, 01:28:08 AM
What was the Don elevator shaft scene about?
are you serious.

his life was on-track, he found his equal sexually, intellectually, and professionally. then she fucking LEAVES him and he's left with a death sentence should he go after her. she was RIGHT FUCKING THERE and then she wasn't. and even though she is close it doesn't fucking matter; she's gone.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on May 07, 2012, 04:02:02 AM
People are complaining about Alexis' acting in this episode, but I thought she played a manipulative imbalanced sort of girl just right. She certainly gave me creepo vibes. Her and Pete can creep out together.

Favorite moment was Peggy's PIZZAHAUS!

And I think, beyond the symbolic connection to Don's fantasy dropping out, the elevator shaft is part of the show's growing theme of existential dread, something that was becoming common in works at the time.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on May 07, 2012, 05:12:59 AM
What was the Don elevator shaft scene about?
are you serious.

his life was on-track, he found his equal sexually, intellectually, and professionally. then she fucking LEAVES him and he's left with a death sentence should he go after her. she was RIGHT FUCKING THERE and then she wasn't. and even though she is close it doesn't fucking matter; she's gone.
Yes im serious. Relax. Me and my friends came with a few ideas after watching that scene. That was one of em. I wanted to hear what people generally thought about it.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 07, 2012, 04:26:47 PM
What was the Don elevator shaft scene about?
are you serious.

his life was on-track, he found his equal sexually, intellectually, and professionally. then she fucking LEAVES him and he's left with a death sentence should he go after her. she was RIGHT FUCKING THERE and then she wasn't. and even though she is close it doesn't fucking matter; she's gone.

Faye :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on May 07, 2012, 04:32:33 PM
Faye lost because of Sally.

Watch, everyone thinks its gonna be one of the big dudes who dies this season, but it'll be Faye appearing out of nowhere to send Sally down an elevator shaft. REVENGE
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 07, 2012, 04:48:35 PM
hahah

PIZZA HOUSE
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on May 07, 2012, 04:50:47 PM
Peggy :lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: chronovore on May 08, 2012, 02:05:11 AM
I liked The Beatles montage ending with Don pulling the needle off the record. :lol
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on May 08, 2012, 11:11:04 AM
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/how-mad-men-landed-the-beatles-all-you-need-is-love-and-250000/?src=tp
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2012, 12:30:02 PM
I liked The Beatles montage ending with Don pulling the needle off the record. :lol

well it's the last song on the album
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 08, 2012, 03:17:43 PM
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/how-mad-men-landed-the-beatles-all-you-need-is-love-and-250000/?src=tp

$250,000? Yikes.

Ron Howard: "It was kind of funny to "Yellow Submarine" but who could afford it?"

Quote
Mr. Weiner said he was told that it was the only time a Beatles song has been in a television show, other than the band’s live performances.
Wow (obviously he's not counting covers).
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 08, 2012, 03:34:08 PM
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/how-mad-men-landed-the-beatles-all-you-need-is-love-and-250000/?src=tp

$250,000? Yikes.


The same cost of an entire episode of Louie.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: chronovore on May 08, 2012, 08:07:17 PM
I liked The Beatles montage ending with Don pulling the needle off the record. :lol

well it's the last song on the album

Yeah, but he didn't wait until it finished, did he?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on May 08, 2012, 09:19:54 PM
Yeah I think he stopped it before it finished.

Maybe Sterling should give him some LSD.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on May 09, 2012, 07:55:20 AM
there are a shit ton of theories out there that campbell is going to kill himself this season

Notice Pete said his life insurance covered came from his junior partnership and after two years covers suicide :shh
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: brawndolicious on May 10, 2012, 04:06:51 AM
I loved how they said you could never get the Beatles on a TV budget, but you could basically get the same thing. And then you see Don listen to half the Beatles song before lifting the needle.

And why was Ginsberg so angry at whatever that other song was?

there are a shit ton of theories out there that campbell is going to kill himself this season
Notice Pete said his life insurance covered came from his junior partnership and after two years covers suicide :shh

Where does Pete keep his rifle now? It's a short little .22 if I remember correctly so shooting with your toe might be hard. I could see him screwing it up.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Positive Touch on May 13, 2012, 10:43:22 PM
holy shit the gilmore girl just showed her titties!!
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Positive Touch on May 13, 2012, 10:44:34 PM
god damn im a class act
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on May 14, 2012, 02:46:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulC0Lerkkbc

FAT BETTY INHALE THE COOL WHIP
WEIGHS OUT HER CHEESE
OOH FAT BETTY
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on May 14, 2012, 12:13:35 PM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on May 20, 2012, 01:54:11 AM
Sally was on fire this week. She's by far my favourite character now.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on May 20, 2012, 05:06:17 AM
why wasn't there a gif of this before?

(http://i.imgur.com/sRupu.gif)
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on May 21, 2012, 03:56:31 AM
"There's an airplane here to see you!"

This is the funniest season of Mad Men.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on May 27, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
"There's an airplane here to see you!"

This is the funniest season of Mad Men.

I lost it during her meltdown.

Don's wife is a bit of a drama queen too.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on May 27, 2012, 08:24:11 PM
this is my favorite season.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on May 27, 2012, 11:41:38 PM
I liked 3 when everything that was built up in the first two seasons started to unravel. This one is probably more entertaining though.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on May 28, 2012, 03:38:38 AM
Pete just won back all his douche cred with that one.

Peggy :rock
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 28, 2012, 12:00:15 PM
"Let's pretend for a second that I'm not responsible for every good thing that has ever happened to you."
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 28, 2012, 02:46:48 PM
Everyone talking about GoT and not this Mad Men episode. Bah.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on May 28, 2012, 02:56:04 PM
haven't watched it yet
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on May 28, 2012, 09:34:40 PM
So how do you think
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they'll keep Peggy a part of the show?
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Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: ZephyrFate on May 28, 2012, 09:51:38 PM
Everyone talking about GoT and not this Mad Men episode. Bah.
yeah this was better than "Blackwater". Just on a completely different emotional level. Goddamn.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on May 29, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
Regarding Peggy's salary...

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pq6yfnXe1qzu3puo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on May 30, 2012, 07:50:01 AM
Pete just won back all his douche cred with that one.

"I've lost all my energy putting my foot down." :rofl

So how do you think
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they'll keep Peggy a part of the show?
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Either the writers at Sterling Cooper Draper Price will be complete fuck ups with out Peggy, or they'll end up competing for clients and Peggy will start to one up them.
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Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on May 31, 2012, 01:28:26 PM
What an episode. Allthough I didn't quite get why Jaguar was so important that they gave Joan a 5% stake in the company. Wouldn't the 50 000$, that originaly were in the discussion be much less worth then that?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 31, 2012, 02:46:34 PM
I'm not quite sure either, but Weiner really tried to drive it home. Bert even said, "You can't put a price on a car." Joan just got as much as possible out of the deal.
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Post by: Beezy on May 31, 2012, 04:20:53 PM
It just seemed like once you landed a car, you officially made it big.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on May 31, 2012, 04:39:18 PM
It felt weird, especially because Joan was coming from a weak position, with her only recent return to the agency and the child she has to provide for. And there was no additional talk about it between the partners that would have explained it, doesn't seem like something they wouldhave decided in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Barry Egan on May 31, 2012, 06:32:00 PM
Joan was coming from a strong position.  She determined the future of the company, and it's something she has to keep her mouth shut about.  Her stake in the company insures that she stays quiet.  You also have to consider that the SCDP boys will be feeling enormously guilty whether they realize it or not.  It works for me.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on May 31, 2012, 06:37:32 PM
Curious how the thing with Pryce is going to end.  I don't want to see him leave the show, but it sure does seem to be heading in that direction.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on May 31, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
What an episode. Allthough I didn't quite get why Jaguar was so important that they gave Joan a 5% stake in the company. Wouldn't the 50 000$, that originaly were in the discussion be much less worth then that?

Pryce raised the partnership because he didn't have the 50k available because he'd already used it, so it was partly to save him from the rest of them discovering his embezzlement. Plus I think he was the only one other than Don who was somewhat morally against it and thought she should at least get the most out of it she could.

One thing that annoys me that I may be remembering incorrectly, wasn't there an episode where Pryce's wife was talking about how much she hated New York and they wanted to move back? And I think it was a different actress.

Pretty sad there's only two episodes left this season :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on June 01, 2012, 08:24:52 AM
Yeah, for Pryce it definetly made sense. Campbell wanted it the most and I guess Sterling and Cooper are already rich.

Pryce wife confused me as well. Was that his wife in the last episode? I thought he maybe got another girlfriend because the actress seemed different.

I'm wondering what they are going to do with Don in the season (which is the last season, isn't it?). He's already pretty weak this season (no motivation for his work, Peggy becoming independent, apparently no more big ideas for work, Megan is much more independent then Betty). I guess they could let him fall deeper if his relationship doesn't work out (either because he cheats on Megan or because she cheats on him/finally gets to be an actress) or the company gets in trouble without Peggy creative work. 
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on June 02, 2012, 09:38:15 PM
I think Peggy might actually discover her job is harder without Don giving those convincing speeches to the client. Her ideas are good, but she still has the issue of being a girl and that she's not as smooth as Don is at selling the pitch.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: brawndolicious on June 02, 2012, 11:21:56 PM
I think Peggy might actually discover her job is harder without Don giving those convincing speeches to the client. Her ideas are good, but she still has the issue of being a girl and that she's not as smooth as Don is at selling the pitch.

"ooooh lala" sounds like you're selling the pitch.

Peggy is a smart little whip. She can learn how to sell herself, I think she's dynamic enough to work with people who aren't familiar with her personality and creative process. Plus you're forgetting that her new employer really wants to piss off Draper. He'll want to work with Peggy to steal as many accounts as possible.

She just needs to stop giving random handjobs in movie theaters.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on June 03, 2012, 12:28:59 AM
Don't you dare try to keep Peggy from her vag-swag. It'll be handjobs for strangers or nothing else!
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on June 04, 2012, 01:11:12 AM
 :( :( :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on June 04, 2012, 01:11:42 AM
HOLY SHIT
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on June 04, 2012, 02:58:37 AM
man oh man

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I knew from the events that Lane was doomed, but the Jaguar not starting still made me laugh. I thought he was going out the window, but the hanging ended up being more grim. It's interesting to see how Don's office has become the place where people helplessly beg. The aggressive Don turned colored the whole death of Lane, and made the final scene awesome. Mad Men loves those final shots of people just staring forward with some emotional turn on their face.

I guess the Sally plotline was there just to lighten the mood in some way. I thought it would end up in a weird place, but her and creepy just acted like pals on a day out.
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Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 04, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
Screw spoiler tags.

I really thought Pete was going to be the one to die this season, but now with Lane gone, I don't see that happening.

Also, do you think we've seen the last of Peggy this season (ie. won't see her in the season finale, but probably back next season)?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on June 04, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
From interview:

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When they literally pushed through that door and saw me hanging, that was the first time they had seen it. They didn't see a rehearsal or anything like that. That was their first look at it, and that was pretty genuine shock on all their faces. They knew, of course, because they had read the script, but those guys did a brilliant job, the makeup department. And they hadn't seen that.
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/interview-mad-men-co-star-jared-harris-on-lane-pryce-and-commissions-and-fees
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on June 04, 2012, 10:31:54 PM
Curious how the thing with Pryce is going to end.  I don't want to see him leave the show, but it sure does seem to be heading in that direction.

Well then!
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on June 04, 2012, 10:34:18 PM
I guess you were hoping that he'd be hanging around?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 05, 2012, 01:26:21 AM
I'm surprised they went ahead and showed the body hanging there, although I guess maybe I shouldn't have been. Grim stuff.

On a lighter note, Matthew Weiner's son continues to get creepier with that mustache.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Beezy on June 05, 2012, 01:52:41 AM
Leave Glenn alone
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: chronovore on June 06, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
I guess you were hoping that he'd be hanging around?

:lol

Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on June 06, 2012, 11:15:33 AM
Goddamn, last two episodes felt like a season's final. Wonder what they have in store for the last show..
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on June 11, 2012, 06:35:45 AM
No spoiler tags, season is over lets get down to business :rock

Goddamn, last two episodes felt like a season's final. Wonder what they have in store for the last show..

Not much sadly. Just basically setting up next seasons storylines.

I really thought Pete was going to be the one to die this season, but now with Lane gone, I don't see that happening.

I thought so too. If it hadn't been for Lane last episode I'd have been sure Pete would off himself at the end of this episode. I do love when Pete stops being the smooth talker and just blurts out what is on his mind. Loved when he said the pool looked very permanent too.

Anyway I'll be really disappointed if they turn Don back into the typical cheating husband next season.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on June 11, 2012, 04:44:53 PM
 :rofl

At the end montage with the fucking dogs.

Weiner really seems to like see Campbell suffer. That was cruel (again),

And yeah, I also hope they don't turn Don back into the cheating husband. It's a possibilty though, as that would mean to break him down completly.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2012, 04:50:00 PM
THIS WAS THE BEST SEASON OF MAD MEN.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2012, 04:53:02 PM
:rofl

At the end montage with the fucking dogs.

Weiner really seems to like see Campbell suffer. That was cruel (again),

And yeah, I also hope they don't turn Don back into the cheating husband. It's a possibilty though, as that would mean to break him down completly.

Think Megan is Don's temporary bandage on a permanent wound? I like how they left it open-ended. This could very well have been a series finale, I think and people would go ape shit because of the last scene.

Also, that blonde looks like Megan's friend.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: etiolate on June 11, 2012, 04:54:38 PM
If Don does cheat, it would be an interesting reveal of his psyche. Someone suggested that Don actually doesn't want the typical American housewife. He's attracted to women with a life of their own and a job and work they do. Betty was a working model when he met her. There was the artist chick. Then there was the department store owner gal. Of course, Faye is the ultimate of this type. And Megan made him happiest when she was showing her skills in advertising, and he seemed to go along with her acting as long as there was some real hope to it. Now, her mother tells Don that he has to take care of Megan, and so Don gets her the job. So, if that makes Megan less autonomous and if Don turns to cheating then it may be that he actually needs an independent woman to be satisfied.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Robo on June 11, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Pete Campbell's poor hairline.  He might yet commit suicide.  :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Barry Egan on June 12, 2012, 12:05:12 AM
Naked scalp will not be a good look for him  :-\
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 12, 2012, 12:17:40 AM
Bring back Rachel Menken.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 12, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
Not happening. The actress is playing a main character in Sons of Anarchy.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 12, 2012, 12:32:23 AM
Not happening. The actress is playing a main character in Sons of Anarchy.

Quiet you.

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They won't bring her back, but she is my favorite of Don's women.
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Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on June 12, 2012, 12:51:26 AM
Why the fuck is Dish getting rid of AMC?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Fifstar on June 12, 2012, 03:01:09 AM


Think Megan is Don's temporary bandage on a permanent wound?
If Don does cheat, it would be an interesting reveal of his psyche. Someone suggested that Don actually doesn't want the typical American housewife. He's attracted to women with a life of their own and a job and work they do. Betty was a working model when he met her. There was the artist chick. Then there was the department store owner gal. Of course, Faye is the ultimate of this type. And Megan made him happiest when she was showing her skills in advertising, and he seemed to go along with her acting as long as there was some real hope to it. Now, her mother tells Don that he has to take care of Megan, and so Don gets her the job. So, if that makes Megan less autonomous and if Don turns to cheating then it may be that he actually needs an independent woman to be satisfied.

We all have this western notion of the perfect love and I think the audience of Mad Men wants Don to find his, because ultimately he never seemed truely happy save for his honeymoon phase with Megan. I belive he can't be happy with the American housewife and so the question is if he needs a strong woman like Faye or if he's just not able to be happy with a woman for an extended time. Him needing a strong woman would be the most romantic idea and would sorta allow us to 'forgive' Don all his cheating (to a certain degree, most of the audience wants to see Don 'succeed' not only in his business life bot also his love life), because it would explain why he cheated on Betty all the time. It would make him too perfect however which is imo the reason why Weiner let Draper ultimately treat Faye only like a trophy he wanted to get.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 12, 2012, 05:50:24 AM
Not happening. The actress is playing a main character in Sons of Anarchy.

Quiet you.

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They won't bring her back, but she is my favorite of Don's women.
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They won't bring her back because that show demands her basically full-time. And Don doesn't deserve her anyway.
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: pilonv1 on April 09, 2013, 08:18:29 AM
Where's the season six talk ladies?
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2013, 09:11:50 AM
Haven't watched it yet. :(
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Barry Egan on April 09, 2013, 09:31:48 AM
after rewatching season 5, the way people casually talk with one another in season 6 is kind of shocking.  Someone I was watching with thought it was a dip in the quality of writing, but he didn't know what he was talking about.  They did a really effective job of showing how quickly things changed in the late 60s. 
 
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2013, 09:36:32 AM
I don't love you Biz. :maf
Title: Re: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS
Post by: Himu on April 09, 2013, 09:48:03 AM
Look at that face.

LOOK AT IT. Don't you just want to hug him? No? I'll hug you instead  :-[