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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Tasty on September 09, 2013, 07:00:17 PM

Title: The Evil Within (dev. Tango Gameworks)
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2013, 07:00:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WozV5EbEEto

Director | Shinji Mikami
Platforms | Steam (https://store.steampowered.com/app/268050/The_Evil_Within/), Xbox 360, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4
Release | Tuesday, October 14th, 2014
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
The demo they showed off at Quakecon was hot stuff: Silent Hill + RE4.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2013, 07:27:48 PM
The demo they showed off at Quakecon was hot stuff: Silent Hill + RE4.

:lawd :lawd :lawd I can't take this.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Damian79 on September 09, 2013, 07:29:13 PM
In my eyes nothing will beat that sweet home game for the SNES.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: tiesto on September 09, 2013, 07:30:19 PM
The demo they showed off at Quakecon was hot stuff: Silent Hill + RE4.

I'm out of the loop big time... why would a Mikami game be shown at Quakecon of all places?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2013, 07:33:28 PM
The demo they showed off at Quakecon was hot stuff: Silent Hill + RE4.

I'm out of the loop big time... why would a Mikami game be shown at Quakecon of all places?

Bethesda published, also uses idTech 5.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: fistfulofmetal on September 09, 2013, 07:33:56 PM

I'm out of the loop big time... why would a Mikami game be shown at Quakecon of all places?

published by Bethesda
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2013, 07:39:58 PM
That, and Tango Gameworks [Mikami's company] is a subsidiary of Zenimax.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2013, 07:56:50 PM
Why did Andrex make this thread?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2013, 08:51:40 PM
Why did Andrex make this thread?

Mikami fanboy.

REmake :lawd

RE4 :lawd
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2013, 09:10:05 PM
I know I know it's at the top of my list, before even Bayo. :(
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: cool breeze on September 09, 2013, 09:12:05 PM
I love that the Japanese name is Psycho Break, almost more than The Evil Within basically being synonymous with Resident Evil.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Raban on September 09, 2013, 09:49:53 PM
After the initial announcement of this game, I'm actually on complete media blackout. I cannot know anything about this game before I play it.
And yeah, Psychobreak is a great name. It looks especially badass in kana: サイコブレイク
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Raban on September 09, 2013, 10:10:20 PM
:lol
I like the way the Japanese language looks, what can I say? I wouldn't get it tattooed on my body, but it's just cool to look at.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: brob on September 09, 2013, 10:14:52 PM
looks like something that would look good on a big neon sign in a cyberpunk film. Or a crude children's drawing hanging on a japanese refrigerator. idk.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2013, 10:16:03 PM
Looks like some Matrix shit. I can dig that.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2013, 10:19:17 PM
Being able to read all without a dictionary.

:rejoice

SA

First stroke is King Solomon's arm, second stroke is him holding an infant in his arm threatening to kill it, and the third stroke is the king himself.

:beli

Fuck katakana. :maf
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Rufus on September 09, 2013, 11:21:38 PM
Is that a mnemonic from the "Remembering..." books? :lol
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Yes. :lol
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: nudemacusers on September 09, 2013, 11:27:18 PM
saw 'silent hill + re4' and popped an autoboner. guess i need a new console after all
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2013, 11:28:08 PM
saw 'silent hill + re4' and popped an autoboner. guess i need a new console after all

going to be cross platform (ps3, 360, xbone, ps4, pc).
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2013, 11:30:45 PM
saw 'silent hill + re4' and popped an autoboner.

To elaborate, it looked like they'd married the more-fluid controls and variety of equipment of RE4 with the vulnerability and psychological bent of Silent Hill.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 09, 2013, 11:33:39 PM
looks like lastgen crap
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 09, 2013, 11:35:15 PM
play outlast or amnesia: a machine for pigs, console cornfeeders
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 09, 2013, 11:35:42 PM
nope
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 09, 2013, 11:36:54 PM
Yeah I'll be playing this. I mean it's a Mikami game, so why wouldn't you?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Positive Touch on September 09, 2013, 11:41:25 PM
play outlast or amnesia: a machine for pigs, console cornfeeders

i will, but shitting on a mikami game? thats grounds for lepering
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 09, 2013, 11:46:57 PM
name one good non-vanquish game made by mikami

dude is the will federman of horror games
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Positive Touch on September 09, 2013, 11:47:56 PM
im buying a plane ticket to washington right now so i can go to your house and put my balls on your chin
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Raban on September 10, 2013, 12:09:42 AM
name one good non-vanquish game made by mikami
Here you go. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinji_Mikami#Works)
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: nudemacusers on September 10, 2013, 12:10:03 AM
saw 'silent hill + re4' and popped an autoboner. guess i need a new console after all

going to be cross platform (ps3, 360, xbone, ps4, pc).
i don't have any of that shit tho
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Raban on September 10, 2013, 12:15:34 AM
I ain't steppin anywhere near that ring. Just jeers from the crowd :-[
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 10, 2013, 12:17:29 AM
oo, god hand was fun. that's two for what? twenty?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: nudemacusers on September 10, 2013, 12:20:45 AM
bore roman helmet meet on van cruncheon? who's in? :pacspit
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on September 10, 2013, 12:31:19 AM
bore roman helmet meet on van cruncheon? who's in? :pacspit

I'll hold his legs.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: nudemacusers on September 10, 2013, 12:38:27 AM
is this some sort of gay thing?

cuz if so

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:hump :drool :hyper :smug :tauntaun :tauntaun :lawd :leon :tauntaun :aah :noah :whew :whoo :tauntaun :obama :rejoice :shaq :ohhh :tauntaun :mouf :miyamoto :uguu :tauntaun :tauntaun :gddr5 :PP :phil :anhuld :tauntaun :tauntaun :stahp :win
[close]
It's only gay if the balls touch



and lord will they touch



I'll hold his legs.
boys only  >:(
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: MCD on September 10, 2013, 05:09:56 AM
I'm not sure about saving survival horror games but this, MGSV and Platinum are surely saving Japan at the very least.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Brehvolution on September 10, 2013, 09:27:30 AM
dude is the will federman of horror games

(http://i.imgur.com/3I1nMw2.gif)
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: bork on September 10, 2013, 09:54:43 AM
After the initial announcement of this game, I'm actually on complete media blackout. I cannot know anything about this game before I play it.
And yeah, Psychobreak is a great name. It looks especially badass in kana: サイコブレイク
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 :expert

spoiler (click to show/hide)
nothing looks good in katakana
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:expert


 :P
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 10, 2013, 10:31:24 AM
play outlast or amnesia: a machine for pigs, console cornfeeders

I mean, that's kind of the problem. Only a handful of actually scary horror games this gen. Surely someone could play all three, Drinky.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: hampster on September 10, 2013, 10:38:24 AM
name one good non-vanquish game made by mikami
Here you go. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinji_Mikami#Works)

:bow SNES Aladdin :bow2

Its been all downhill from there :-\
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: brob on September 10, 2013, 10:48:44 AM
u talkin shit about goof troop hampster ?

I better not see u in these streets
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2013, 04:43:14 PM
play outlast or amnesia: a machine for pigs, console cornfeeders

I mean, that's kind of the problem. Only a handful of actually scary horror games this gen. Surely someone could play all three, Drinky.

Not possible. You can only play ONE, which you then must fervently defend while violently attacking the other two.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: cool breeze on September 26, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
there's a stream of the demo going on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhbL72O219s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1POefYUgkw
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2013, 09:32:12 AM
Too bad this isn't out until sometime next year.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2013, 12:45:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ennfcsp.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/DK8Fzia.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/dk9aMMC.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/jIan4LD.jpg)
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Raban on December 18, 2013, 12:48:58 AM
maybe they need that extra time :kobeyuck
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm not trippin' cuz this game looks great in motion but holy shit those are ugly screenshots
[close]
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: ZephyrFate on December 18, 2013, 03:38:45 AM
DON'T play amnesia: a machine for pigs. it's pretty awful
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on December 18, 2013, 04:20:44 AM
maybe they need that extra time :kobeyuck
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm not trippin' cuz this game looks great in motion but holy shit those are ugly screenshots
[close]

Dont worry thats the XBO version.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on January 12, 2014, 05:25:16 AM
Leaked concept arts.

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-1.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-2.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-3.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-41.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-51.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-6.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-7.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-8.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-9.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-10.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-11.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-12.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-13.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-14.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-15.jpg)

(http://images.lazygamer.net/2014/01/The-Evil-Within-16.jpg)

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/833/f1h5.jpg)

That graveyard shot and the shot with hanging bodies. :lawd :lawd :lawd

:bow Mikami :bow2
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on January 12, 2014, 06:42:17 AM
Goty incoming
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 02, 2014, 05:30:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6AMcMov3as
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on February 02, 2014, 05:34:30 PM
Its Japanese name is Psycho Break? I forgot that.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 02, 2014, 05:36:20 PM
This game is gonna be so good. I wish they'd kept the title Psycho Break for NA though, Evil Within is so generic.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2014, 06:39:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6AMcMov3as

:rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: cool breeze on February 02, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
This game is gonna be so good. I wish they'd kept the title Psycho Break for NA though, Evil Within is so generic.

yeah, Evil Within is cool for being another way of saying Resident Evil, but Psycho Break is a PS2-era game name.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2014, 08:41:14 PM
Psycho Break sounds like an MGS boss. And that's awesome.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2014, 01:02:35 AM
When is it coming out? On a side note it's interesting Sony doesn't seem to have any Japan-centric games ready for the homeland launch.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on February 03, 2014, 01:56:22 AM
When is it coming out? On a side note it's interesting Sony doesn't seem to have any Japan-centric games ready for the homeland launch.

Dynasty warriors 8xl
Ryu GA gotoku ishin
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2014, 09:01:05 AM
When is it coming out?

Sometimes this year.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: bork on February 04, 2014, 09:42:42 AM
When is it coming out? On a side note it's interesting Sony doesn't seem to have any Japan-centric games ready for the homeland launch.

Dynasty warriors 8xl
Ryu GA gotoku ishin

Add to that-

Doki-Doki Universe
Dream Club: Host Girls on Stage
Hohokum
Nikoli no Puzzle 4: Sudoku
Nobunaga no Yabou: Souzou
And I guess Strider Hiryu sort of counts?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on April 09, 2014, 05:00:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMTI5AilvDM

:lawd
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 09, 2014, 06:30:42 PM
Fucking idiots on gaf complaining about textures when this shit oozes atmosphere
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 09, 2014, 06:39:27 PM
Well I mean it does look pretty bad graphically.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: ZephyrFate on April 11, 2014, 06:00:24 AM
Fantastic atmosphere but they should have used the next-gen version for gameplay footage.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2014, 08:02:14 PM
Don't give a shit about the graphics. Especially in a game like this.

It's all about that gameplay.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: DCharlieJP on April 13, 2014, 06:23:52 PM
Quote
SMH @ Andy claiming to be a Mikami fan when he hasn't played the fuck out of Vanquish though

I think this is a little unfair given he named vanquish in his top 5 games of all time once - means it trumped a whole cart load of Nintendo stuff and that's without even playing it! Yeah! I know ! A top 5 game you love buy you never played? SOUNDS CRRRAZZZZYYY!

I am sure this has nothing to do with any announced 3rd party exclusives to any nintendo console that maybe remotely connected and just the quality of youtube videoes pimping the game.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Shaka Khan on April 13, 2014, 06:29:47 PM
Everyone is calling this a POS in the recent round of previews. :japancry
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2014, 06:55:38 PM
Everyone is calling this a POS in the recent round of previews. :japancry

That is a bit worrisome although some of the concerns like the lead character not talking wouldn't bother me at all. Yet I have seen this brought up in like 3 previews like its a very big deal or something. We will see I guess.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on April 13, 2014, 07:23:35 PM
bu bu bu if the main character can't talk how will this have the same feels as Bioshock Infinite and Walking Dead?

Story. It's all about story. I can tolerate games that don't have great gameplay, as long as the story and aesthetic reel me in. Sadly, the opposite isn't true. Obviously the perfect video game will have both, but I've always felt relatable, well-written characters can more than make up for a number of other deficits.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on April 13, 2014, 07:56:46 PM
FYI my post was a direct quote from an "IGN Editor" - proof that games journalists are straight nincompoop motherfuckers.

Can't handle a game with great gameplay, if the story isn't there to "reel him in" :tocry
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2014, 08:14:58 PM
bu bu bu if the main character can't talk how will this have the same feels as Bioshock Infinite and Walking Dead?

Story. It's all about story. I can tolerate games that don't have great gameplay, as long as the story and aesthetic reel me in. Sadly, the opposite isn't true. Obviously the perfect video game will have both, but I've always felt relatable, well-written characters can more than make up for a number of other deficits.
I'm not saying the game may not be fucked up but that quote is exactly why video game "journalism" is the biggest farce going. Wanna be fucking film critics.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 13, 2014, 11:35:24 PM
Well I mean we live in a world where people complain about RE4's controls. Never minding the fact that the controls and player movement are the way the are specifically to create tension and urgency on the player. It's like players don't get that you're not supposed to be thoughtless in your shooting. RE4 is one of the few TPS where I really think on the fly during gameplay. I really think about the environments and how to use my tools. I use every gun in RE4 because every gun has a purpose. I can't really say that about pretty much any other shooter out there.

People seemed to have understood that then, but as RE4 gets older and older the controls complaint pops up. It's not supposed to be Gears or other TPS were survive is "just rest in cover". People did'nt seem to understand what was so awesome about Vanquish was that cover was not where you wanted to be. It was not run to cover and then take a few pot shots from there. Playing it that way would be boring, yet it seemed a lot did because Vanquish is not that well regarded among more average joe gamers. Yet, it's so amazing because it encourages you to control of the battlefield and have it not feel overwhelming or this "grit your teeth in the cover as you take one guy out by one". Vanquish may not have the most inventive guns, but again they all have a use in taking out enemies as quick as possible. In Gears I just use the Lancer. Vanquish was such a great game. Gameplay wise I expect nothing but the best with The Evil Within, because honestly there's been very few TPS that feel rewarding to play like Vanquish and RE4.

As for the story. It's not the draw here for me. It would be nice if it kept me engaged, but good scenarios for the hopefully good gameplay are of more importance. Vanquish was great, it's story was unremarkable. Yet the real negative is the boring level design and maybe not enough unique/special sequences. Hopefully, Evil Within is better in this regard.

I really hope this does ok, because I really would like Mikami's studio to keep going for a very long while.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on April 14, 2014, 12:06:12 AM
I remember reading a review that was complaining about Saints Row IV not having a cover system. A game where you have insane superpowers and guns that shoot black holes. And these guys want to hide behind shit. Wow, just wow

As Stoney said, games journalism is the biggest farce going.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2014, 12:32:42 AM
So the PAX "demo" was a guy behind a curtain playing two areas while 40 of us watched. "Spoilers" I guess but since nobody knows WTF this game is really about, that's kinda debatable.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
First area was a city all fucked up from like, the biggest earthquake ever. Buildings and shit kept falling around the main dude as he walked by. A cool part I felt was an area the looks like a normal alley but then all of a sudden the right wall pushes forward, then it pushes forward again so it's super tight to scale through. Instant claustrophobia. Otherwise it was kind eh with the dude shooting "zombies" (???) with some pretty meh third person shooter controls. Also, side note, the city looked super modern/futuristic but the main dude was wearing clothes from like the 1800s? And had a lantern and crossbow from like the 1800s?? Well, whatever. Demo ended when the dude came up to some water part and got chomped on some unseen fishy that is probably the first boss from RE4.

Second area was MUCH better I felt. Basically some kind of industrial complex with a Pyramid Head knockoff with a square safe for a head. Safe Head could resurrect himself from any safe lying on the ground in the area, and the effect when he does so is pretty chilling. You see the screen crackle red for a bit, then it goes silent and wait, is that him standing over there? OHSHIT IT FUCKING IS! RUN MOTHAFUCKA! Most of the area was the main dude sealing off rooms with comically-sized round vault doors and stopping some poison mist from spraying out of pipes.

There was absolutely no clue given as to:

- Who this guy was
- Where he was in these two areas
- What he was doing
- Why he was doing it

So most of those in the audience left pretty damn confused. I loved it though (even if I was also just as confused.) Probably not on RE4's level but it should be a pretty damn scary horror game, which the world needs more of these days.
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I do feel like the western media isn't going to give this a fair shake. The horror IS kind of all over the place (in Mikami I trust (to ramp up effectively), etc.), and the graphics are, well... kinda shitty. So I see a lot of 7-8/10's. But the game will probably be great if you're looking for chilling atmosphere and horror gameplay done right.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2014, 12:34:47 AM
Quote
SMH @ Andy claiming to be a Mikami fan when he hasn't played the fuck out of Vanquish though

I think this is a little unfair given he named vanquish in his top 5 games of all time once - means it trumped a whole cart load of Nintendo stuff and that's without even playing it! Yeah! I know ! A top 5 game you love buy you never played? SOUNDS CRRRAZZZZYYY!

I am sure this has nothing to do with any announced 3rd party exclusives to any nintendo console that maybe remotely connected and just the quality of youtube videoes pimping the game.

:what

I literally can't parse this post. What are you saying?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2014, 12:40:50 AM
So the PAX "demo" was a guy behind a curtain playing two areas while 40 of us watched. "Spoilers" I guess but since nobody knows WTF this game is really about, that's kinda debatable.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
First area was a city all fucked up from like, the biggest earthquake ever. Buildings and shit kept falling around the main dude as he walked by. A cool part I felt was an area the looks like a normal alley but then all of a sudden the right wall pushes forward, then it pushes forward again so it's super tight to scale through. Instant claustrophobia. Otherwise it was kind eh with the dude shooting "zombies" (???) with some pretty meh third person shooter controls. Also, side note, the city looked super modern/futuristic but the main dude was wearing clothes from like the 1800s? And had a lantern and crossbow from like the 1800s?? Well, whatever. Demo ended when the dude came up to some water part and got chomped on some unseen fishy that is probably the first boss from RE4.

Second area was MUCH better I felt. Basically some kind of industrial complex with a Pyramid Head knockoff with a square safe for a head. Safe Head could resurrect himself from any safe lying on the ground in the area, and the effect when he does so is pretty chilling. You see the screen crackle red for a bit, then it goes silent and wait, is that him standing over there? OHSHIT IT FUCKING IS! RUN MOTHAFUCKA! Most of the area was the main dude sealing off rooms with comically-sized round vault doors and stopping some poison mist from spraying out of pipes.

There was absolutely no clue given as to:

- Who this guy was
- Where he was in these two areas
- What he was doing
- Why he was doing it

So most of those in the audience left pretty damn confused. I loved it though (even if I was also just as confused.) Probably not on RE4's level but it should be a pretty damn scary horror game, which the world needs more of these days.
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I do feel like the western media isn't going to give this a fair shake. The horror IS kind of all over the place (in Mikami I trust (to ramp up effectively), etc.), and the graphics are, well... kinda shitty. So I see a lot of 7-8/10's. But the game will probably be great if you're looking for chilling atmosphere and horror gameplay done right.

The two areas I saw demoed last year at Quakecon were

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The hospital/asylum  that serves as the first location in the game. The main character arrives with another detective to find the police who arrived earlier are all missing or dead. They're soon attacked by some weird guy that can teleport or something, and the main guy wakes up later suspended from the ceiling. He has to get himself down and then avoided by chainsawed by this huge, crazy guy.

The next area was a village in the middle of a forest, which reminded me a lot of the opening area in RE4. The main guy fights off a horde of crazed villagers with various weapons and traps, and then get attacked by some weird monster that climbs up out of a giant pool of blood.
[close]

So, yeah, it's kind of hard to tell how it all ties together, but I'm looking forward to seeing how they do it.
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Post by: demi on April 14, 2014, 12:46:25 AM
I'm hype for this. Cant wait to stream for yall. :flex
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Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2014, 12:55:13 AM
So the PAX "demo" was a guy behind a curtain playing two areas while 40 of us watched. "Spoilers" I guess but since nobody knows WTF this game is really about, that's kinda debatable.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
First area was a city all fucked up from like, the biggest earthquake ever. Buildings and shit kept falling around the main dude as he walked by. A cool part I felt was an area the looks like a normal alley but then all of a sudden the right wall pushes forward, then it pushes forward again so it's super tight to scale through. Instant claustrophobia. Otherwise it was kind eh with the dude shooting "zombies" (???) with some pretty meh third person shooter controls. Also, side note, the city looked super modern/futuristic but the main dude was wearing clothes from like the 1800s? And had a lantern and crossbow from like the 1800s?? Well, whatever. Demo ended when the dude came up to some water part and got chomped on some unseen fishy that is probably the first boss from RE4.

Second area was MUCH better I felt. Basically some kind of industrial complex with a Pyramid Head knockoff with a square safe for a head. Safe Head could resurrect himself from any safe lying on the ground in the area, and the effect when he does so is pretty chilling. You see the screen crackle red for a bit, then it goes silent and wait, is that him standing over there? OHSHIT IT FUCKING IS! RUN MOTHAFUCKA! Most of the area was the main dude sealing off rooms with comically-sized round vault doors and stopping some poison mist from spraying out of pipes.

There was absolutely no clue given as to:

- Who this guy was
- Where he was in these two areas
- What he was doing
- Why he was doing it

So most of those in the audience left pretty damn confused. I loved it though (even if I was also just as confused.) Probably not on RE4's level but it should be a pretty damn scary horror game, which the world needs more of these days.
[close]

I do feel like the western media isn't going to give this a fair shake. The horror IS kind of all over the place (in Mikami I trust (to ramp up effectively), etc.), and the graphics are, well... kinda shitty. So I see a lot of 7-8/10's. But the game will probably be great if you're looking for chilling atmosphere and horror gameplay done right.

The two areas I saw demoed last year at Quakecon were

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The hospital/asylum  that serves as the first location in the game. The main character arrives with another detective to find the police who arrived earlier are all missing or dead. They're soon attacked by some weird guy that can teleport or something, and the main guy wakes up later suspended from the ceiling. He has to get himself down and then avoided by chainsawed by this huge, crazy guy.

The next area was a village in the middle of a forest, which reminded me a lot of the opening area in RE4. The main guy fights off a horde of crazed villagers with various weapons and traps, and then get attacked by some weird monster that climbs up out of a giant pool of blood.
[close]

So, yeah, it's kind of hard to tell how it all ties together, but I'm looking forward to seeing how they do it.

I'm really glad from the previews and trailers it seems like this game has a LOT of content. Really glad.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 14, 2014, 01:10:43 AM
I like the shooting gameplay in Shadows of the Damned more than Gears or whatever else is a cover shooter. Game journalism hated the former, so I don't care if they hate this one.
Shadow was a pretty good arcadey RE4 like game. In the end, I just think I like over the shoulder games with no cover systems.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on April 14, 2014, 10:36:19 AM
At this point I'll take what I can get. This looks like a COOL VIDEO GAME
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2014, 11:49:55 AM
At this point I'll take what I can get. This looks like a COOL VIDEO GAME

But is it a better story than Shakespeare? Can it win an Oscar? Will it make you cry??
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Post by: ZephyrFate on April 16, 2014, 01:21:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrU8c3CayeU
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Post by: The Sceneman on April 16, 2014, 01:39:26 AM
yeahhhh, the Onion has kinda lost it, the video was too obviously a pisstake. Compare it to their older stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k
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Post by: ZephyrFate on April 16, 2014, 02:36:04 AM
No, the Onion is still fucking hilarious, but they do make duds every now and again these days.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2014, 06:42:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVShDsYih9Y

This shit's gonna be cray.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2014, 12:57:44 PM
So who is picking this up?
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 10, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
So who is picking this up?

Probably after Black Friday. Way too many games already on the back log.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2014, 01:16:53 PM
Getting it on pc
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 10, 2014, 01:17:44 PM
I am, can't say I've ever been disappointed in a Mikami game.

I haven't. Shadows of the Damned was great.

But like I said, I've got too many games i need to play through, so dropping full price on day one doesn't make sense for me.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2014, 01:21:58 PM
I am, can't say I've ever been disappointed in a Mikami game.

I haven't. Shadows of the Damned was great.

But like I said, I've got too many games i need to play through, so dropping full price on day one doesn't make sense for me.

This is normally me, especially for games that don't offer hundreds of hours of gameplay, but I really want to put my new pc through it's paces. So, looking like I'll get this AND Borderlands Pre-Sequel on release. :P
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Post by: cool breeze on October 10, 2014, 01:23:46 PM
I plan to get it on PC but holding off to hear how the port is.  the trifecta of Japanese PC game, Bethesda published, and id tech 5  :-\
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2014, 05:11:30 PM
Ill prob get it too, think my last Mikami game was RE4 :)

Nothing else good this month either on PS4, I can just finish it and sell it on and get COD
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 10, 2014, 05:14:14 PM
Getting it on PS4 of course.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2014, 06:01:15 PM
Out of all the games coming out within this one month stretch, The Evil Within was the one I ultimately decided to buy [for $45 at GMG].
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Post by: toku on October 10, 2014, 06:25:52 PM
Really want this but I know it'll take me half a year to get through it. I fucking love horror films and games but the latter are hell on my nerves. They absolutely drain me. Big part of it is because as far as games go, atmosphere/presentation are more than half the fight for me. So you nail those (which horror stuff tend to go for first) then I'm sold.
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Post by: toku on October 10, 2014, 06:38:56 PM
I really, really want this to be successful but I don't think that will happen :fbm

Oh hell no. At least we get it though, and already seems halfway to mythic cult status on gaf.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2014, 07:08:53 PM
I hope we get to see another Destiny-like meltdown on GAF.

I just don't understand why people get excited over Bethesda. With Bungie it was understandable, because Halo. But Bethesda? They've always been shit-tier. I wouldn't put much trust in Mikami either, because that kisama is responsible for a next-gen game that is running at 30 frames per second. Think about that shit.

(http://i.imgur.com/Zc4vQWi.png)
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 10, 2014, 07:21:25 PM
I don't think anyone is getting excited over Bethesda here. When it comes to thier just published titles, it's not like there's some brand style that runs through them. Thier simply games they published and maybe funded. No one is excited for Evil Within because of Skyrim. So I don't understand that point.

About the only thing exciting here about them is Bethesda's willingness to publish and fund moderately budgeted new ips. Can't see funding things like Evil Within or Dishonnerd. So that's cool.

People are excited because of Mikami. If you can understand Bungie because of Halo, why can't you understand Mikami because of Vanquish and RE4? What am I supposed to think about the framerate though? Not like 30fps hurt RE4, Vanquish, or his other games. Sure maybe it is a sign of Tango's problems with idtech 5, but it dosen't mean it's going to make the game any less good.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2014, 07:41:11 PM
Dios Mio man, Ruzbeh you really want me to send demi leper money for you, don't you?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2014, 08:02:58 PM
People are excited because Mikami is finally making the followup to Resident Evil 4 that everyone actually wanted.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 10, 2014, 09:05:26 PM
(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/How+we+all+wish+resident+evil+4+ended+resident+evil_028062_4001244.gif)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2014, 09:28:31 PM
This doesn't strike me as a (spiritual) sequel to RE4 at all, but we'll see.

It's basically a spiritual successor to Resident Evil 4 by way of Silent Hill.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 11, 2014, 02:12:41 AM
Really want this but I know it'll take me half a year to get through it. I fucking love horror films and games but the latter are hell on my nerves. They absolutely drain me. Big part of it is because as far as games go, atmosphere/presentation are more than half the fight for me. So you nail those (which horror stuff tend to go for first) then I'm sold.

Haha in the same, will play this an hour at a time prob.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2014, 02:57:31 AM
I hope we get to see another Destiny-like meltdown on GAF.

I just don't understand why people get excited over Bethesda. With Bungie it was understandable, because Halo. But Bethesda? They've always been shit-tier. I wouldn't put much trust in Mikami either, because that kisama is responsible for a next-gen game that is running at 30 frames per second. Think about that shit.

Bethesda is merely the publisher. Mikami's Tango is the developer.
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Post by: iconoclast on October 11, 2014, 11:40:24 AM
I was always going to buy this since Mikami is probably the best game director there is nowadays, but all of the new videos and interviews over the last few weeks actually made me start looking forward to it. I'd still rather have a Resident Evil 1 style save system instead of RE4's mix of saves and checkpoints, though. Death doesn't have much meaning when you only lose two minutes of progress. Maybe Akumu mode will be different.
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Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2014, 11:49:02 AM
I think I heard one of the difficulties hides the targeting reticule.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: demi on October 11, 2014, 12:31:06 PM
This is actually leaked, I saw it on a forum. Where are the Magus imprssions?
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2014, 01:26:57 PM
Got my code from GMG, now it's time download 30GB of survival-horror! :rock
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2014, 01:30:02 PM
I will preload it when I leave to go out later. Meantime it's time for MOAR DIABLO
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Post by: Himu on October 11, 2014, 03:29:09 PM
RE4 was a long time ago.

And besides, RE4 wasn't perfect. Even when I played it at the time, I was thinking to myself what's up with all these unnecessary cutscenes.

I'm guessing that Mikami yaro went overboard with the cutscenes again, probably even worse. Even Nintendo wasn't immune to this backwards ass industry trend.

Re4 is the best game of all time shut the fuck up
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2014, 03:30:48 PM
Ruzbeh is Literallly The Worst (tm)
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
This doesn't strike me as a (spiritual) sequel to RE4 at all, but we'll see.

When the game was revealed he LITERALLY said that he hasn't liked how the genre has progressed since RE4 and is going to correct that. It IS a spritiual successor with its own identity.

As for RE4. Yes. It is the best game ever.

Insane pacing.
AAA level boss fights. Every single one.
A GOAT level hard mode.
Replay value up the wazoo. I have bought RE4 for every system it's available for  except Steam (will get at sale) and ps2 and have played it AT LEAST four times per platform. I have beaten RE4 maybe 20+ times and I am NOT bragging.
Fantastic set pieces and scenarios.
Hilarious dialogue.
Jam packed with post-game content.
MERCENARIES.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2014, 03:43:36 PM
Ruzbeh, as someone who has dealt with people on the spectrum before, let me try to explain- you don't have a typical viewpoint on life. That's ok as long as you start acknowledging it and quit pretending like anyone has to take your shitty, flawed opinions on anything into account.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2014, 04:29:08 PM
Shit, I didn't even have to send demi any money y'all

:rejoice
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2014, 04:38:02 PM
Ok, then please try to comprehend the larger point of my post:

you have a condition that simultaneously makes you experience reality different than the majority of people while robbing you of the self-awareness necessary to understand that. You should preface every sentence you type with, "in my admittedly differing opinion" unless your goal is to draw grief upon yourself.

Fortunately, I know you lack the nuance to not take this post personally, so I look forward to your impending continued freak out.
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
as someone who most likely has mild autism, I can say that I don't think it has anything to do with ruzbehs criminally shitty opinions and general shittiness at literally everything #notallautists
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2014, 05:03:39 PM
as someone who most likely has mild autism, I can say that I don't think it has anything to do with ruzbehs criminally shitty opinions and general shittiness at literally everything #notallautists

Hey man, I'm with you. You don't play the same game for like 2,000 hours if you're not SOMEWHERE on the spectrum I don't think. Self-awareness is a handy thing, and for me it didn't show up until later in life, so maybe there's hope for Ruzbeh yet.
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2014, 05:40:41 PM
nope I'm pretty sure he'll suck forever
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Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2014, 05:41:26 PM
I dunno about best, but RE4 is certainly a perfect game as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: ZephyrFate on October 11, 2014, 07:37:05 PM
who in the flying fuck cares if a third person action/horror game is 30fps or 60fps. I can think of literally only two genres that really benefit from 60fps and that's full-action games like Bayonetta/DMC or racing games. Everything else? Who cares. No one will notice the difference in most genres. The Evil Within is not a game that would benefit much at all from 60fps.

Also, yeah, RE4 is basically the best game in the genre of survival action-horror. Nothing released since has matched it.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2014, 07:39:46 PM
Nevertheless, 30 fps is unacceptable for any next-gen game, no matter the genre or level of action.

Here's a partial list of Xbone/PS4 games running at 30 fps: Alien Isolation, Assassin's Creed 4, Assassin's Creed Unity, Dead Rising 3, Destiny, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Drive Club, EA Sports UFC, Forza Horizon 2, Gold Club, Infamous: Second Son, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Kinect Sports Rivals, Knack, Lords of the Fallen, Shadow of Mordor, Need for Speed Rivals, Ryse: Son of Rome, Sleeping Dogs: Definitive Edition, Sunset Overdrive, The Crew, The Order: 1886, Thief, and Watch Dogs.
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Post by: bork on October 11, 2014, 07:50:39 PM
It's possible I may have directed some of my disgust of Bethesda towards Mikami-san. Nevertheless, 30 fps is unacceptable for any next-gen game, no matter the genre or level of action.

The developer has said that they intended the frame rate to be 30 FPS and with a letterbox aspect ratio after working on it for four years.  I don't see what the problem is in this case, plus you can always unlock the framerate on the PC version.  Tango doesn't even recommend people do this since they designed the game with 30 FPS in mind.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2014, 07:51:12 PM
Wouldn't fast action be dependent on the type of action you do? Evil Within, from what I heard isn't s full on action game. I could be wrong? But point is, if the game plays like Vanquish, sure. But Evil Within is slow moving and doesn't need to be 60. It's not like being 60 will change how your character moves, either.
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Post by: ZephyrFate on October 11, 2014, 09:47:14 PM
who in the flying fuck cares if a third person action/horror game is 30fps or 60fps.

Anytime there is even the slightest moment of quick action in an otherwise slow moving game, 60 fps would be an enormous improvement. Period. People make it seem like going 60 fps is a huge graphics sacrifice and that's just not the motherfucking case. Super Mario Galaxy is 60 fps on ancient hardware and looks amazing. PS4/X1 are TWO FULL GENERATIONS AHEAD of the Wii. Seems a bit odd to settle for 30 fps.

It's true 30 fps is not as big as an improvement over 60 fps in a slow moving game than in a fast moving game, but an improvement is an improvement. Why are you against progress, Zephyrfate? If that is indeed your real name.
Yeah it's on my birth certificate.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2014, 10:20:48 PM
This thread.  :snoop

It kind of sucks that its 30 fps but whatever. The game is the game. Get over it. It's not the first or last game this gen that will be like that.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 12, 2014, 12:58:38 AM
Or maaaaaaaybe... Ruzbeh is just a special fellow. Just saying.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2014, 01:00:32 AM
Or maaaaaaaybe... Ruzbeh is just a special fellow. Just saying.

Not disagreeing with that. But the more people feed certain people the more it keeps going down that road.

I fall victim to it myself sometimes but I'm trying to break it. 
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 12, 2014, 06:14:45 AM
Not buying the spiritual successor of RE4 because of 30fps

Smh
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2014, 11:29:22 AM
Any word on the PC version's quality? RE4 was one of my favorite gaming experiences. Playing with my brothers yelling horrible advice, watching them play, etc.

I wonder if this game's environments will be as diverse. I remember Game Informer noting RE4 had some different areas from the wooded area/abandoned houses that dominated the game's coverage before it came out, and seeing them firsthand was pretty fun. The midnight garden, the castle, etc.
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Post by: Cheddahz on October 12, 2014, 11:55:45 AM
If anyone of are getting this on Tuesday, be sure to post impressions (I'm interested in it, but I have no idea if I want to pay for it at launch)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2014, 12:18:27 PM
I wonder if this game's environments will be as diverse. I remember Game Informer noting RE4 had some different areas from the wooded area/abandoned houses that dominated the game's coverage before it came out, and seeing them firsthand was pretty fun. The midnight garden, the castle, etc.

From what's been shown so far: an urban area with a hospital, an abandoned factory, a rural village, and an old mansion. I don't recall offhand if any more than that has been shown.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 12, 2014, 01:48:16 PM
Maybe we can make a play club where one of us plays and streams but there is always someone on party chat there too for moral support
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 12, 2014, 02:02:34 PM
First review?

Sounds solid to me!

http://www.videogamer.com/reviews/the_evil_within_review.html
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Post by: ZephyrFate on October 12, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
still won't buy. 30fps in MY next-gen experience??????
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Post by: bork on October 12, 2014, 02:42:34 PM
First review?

Sounds solid to me!

http://www.videogamer.com/reviews/the_evil_within_review.html

Quote
It sags considerably in the middle, unable to match Resi 4's superb pacing and letting some rather uninspired environments get in the way.

 :beli
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Post by: Tasty on October 12, 2014, 03:19:49 PM
I wonder if this game's environments will be as diverse. I remember Game Informer noting RE4 had some different areas from the wooded area/abandoned houses that dominated the game's coverage before it came out, and seeing them firsthand was pretty fun. The midnight garden, the castle, etc.

From what's been shown so far: an urban area with a hospital, an abandoned factory, a rural village, and an old mansion. I don't recall offhand if any more than that has been shown.

Some kind of post apocalyptic city too.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2014, 03:21:53 PM
Isn't it an ghost town ala silent hill?
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Post by: Himu on October 12, 2014, 03:28:17 PM
That review seriously got me pumped

Positive please hold me. I haven't played a proper horror game in so long, not since dead space or amnesia and neither of those are about full on survival and resource management that I miss from the old days. I'm almost on the verge of tears (I'm not but still). :tocry
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 12, 2014, 04:06:16 PM
Quote
There's a satisfaction to combat that feels distinctly Mikami - every encounter is a test, a potential last stand, and it takes true skill to come out alive. Choices have to be made - do you use the various tricks and traps against your enemy, or break them down into ammo for your multi-purpose bow? It's up to you, which makes combat so much fun.
Yes!
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 12, 2014, 04:08:52 PM
*squeezes you tightly*

I am fighting SO HARD not to spend full price on this.
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 12, 2014, 04:14:22 PM
I still haven't even finished vanquish or shadows of the damned, despite loving what I played of them, because I am a bad person. really should play thru those instead of spending $60 on this, right guys? RIGHT?
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 12, 2014, 04:16:11 PM
Nah man, its that kind of attitude that will make you burn out on gaming.

Its a game not a job :)
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 12, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
I'm about as likely to give up on gaming as demi is. fuck that shit.
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Post by: demi on October 12, 2014, 04:22:34 PM
What? Lol
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Post by: Himu on October 12, 2014, 04:29:04 PM
I still haven't even finished vanquish or shadows of the damned, despite loving what I played of them, because I am a bad person. really should play thru those instead of spending $60 on this, right guys? RIGHT?

buy it and then finish those later  8)
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 12, 2014, 04:41:09 PM
If you did'nt have the time to finish a short game like Vanquish then I'm not sure why you'd spend $60 on this.
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Post by: Beezy on October 12, 2014, 05:44:12 PM
But he never said he didn't have the time.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 12, 2014, 05:51:43 PM
But he never said he didn't have the time.
What possible reason could you have for not finishing the most amazing three/four game of last gen?
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 12, 2014, 05:56:06 PM
getting distracted by other amazing games?
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 12, 2014, 06:03:09 PM
Well that sounds like you fucked up then.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 12, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
The comment dosen't even make any sense? Fanboy of what? Vanquish is a game you can finish in a three maybe even two hour sitting. If you got distracted form what will probably end up being longer and worse game then Vanquish, why would you spend $60 on it?

Play all the worthwhile games? Thats a stupid dig at me that makes no sense.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 12, 2014, 06:27:23 PM
I bought it at full price (pc version, natch). Maybe I'll look into streaming it?
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Post by: a slime appears on October 13, 2014, 08:59:16 AM
I'm on lock for a copy and grabbing one for Demi too. I hope it's good!
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Post by: demi on October 13, 2014, 09:03:22 AM
thank you darling
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2014, 03:19:37 AM
I'm on chapter 3. This game seems like it feels bad that RE4 let you engage in, you know, action and for the early part of it seems to be giving you a preponderance of, "haw haw, here's this crazy, scary, gross situation that you can't get out of through direct conflict!" Of course, this game does stealth as well as any game ever (read: tolerably at best, but not something you want to base a whole game around) so that sort of thing is wearing thin... and it's still early in the game. I hope that there are opportunities for more action as the game progresses; if not this will NOT be a game I enjoy overall.

The atmosphere is nailed, though. They got that right. Shit is downright creepy from the get go basically.

Graphics- so, this game is not the prettiest thing ever to look at. And my pc is a damn sight more powerful than either of the "next gen" home consoles, so yeah... lighting/shadows etc is done well and contributes to the mood in a positive manner. Pretty much everything else is kind of an eyesore to look at (not a compliment) and the game has pretty bad anti-aliasing issues. (Even though Bethesda just published it, STILL. I mean, STILL. You would swear they were responsible.)

Not sure where this is gonna end up for me overall tbh.
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Post by: Himu on October 14, 2014, 03:43:33 AM
I'm fine with the less action thing. Seems to be RE4 x silent Hill and Silent Hill was never about the action. Then again, SH gives you options. You can totally fight them or just right the fuck away. Old RE is similar. But this doesn't sound like the game giving you a choice.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2014, 08:40:38 AM
Despite all Bethesda's talk about 4GB of VRAM, a Geforce 750ti and an Intel i5 are plenty enough to run this smoothly. Compare that to Dead Rising 3, which had significantly lower recommended specs, and runs like absolute garbage no matter how much you turn things down.
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Post by: sarslip on October 14, 2014, 09:07:36 AM
from Sterling's review

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It's bad enough that Bethesda even knows it. Alongside my review copy of the game was a note asking that reviewers play on the Casual difficulty setting, not the standard Survival setting (I went with the standard, by the way). Not only that, but each copy came with a sealed envelope containing advice and obscure tips for every single level of the game.

(http://i.imgur.com/HDudH.png)



he put them on extreme blast
(http://i.imgur.com/iawkz.png)

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2014, 10:47:47 AM
Picked this up, better be good yo
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2014, 11:56:53 AM
Ima play this shit on casual cause its prob scary enough
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2014, 12:12:59 PM
My initial impression is that the PC version is a technical nightmare.

First strike was when I couldn't remap the movement keys to the 4 arrow keys next to the keypad. Whenever a game does that its generally a sign that they didn't give a fuck about that version because it makes it completely unplayable for left handed people. So switched to gamepad.

The black bars are annoying and slightly headache inducing and the force aspect ratio console command doesn't solve the issue. And there is something about the framerate whether its 30 or unlocked 60 even when its steady that makes it feel much lower.

All that aside, I'll post actual gameplay impressions later.
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Post by: cool breeze on October 14, 2014, 01:48:07 PM
yeah, I watched the giantbomb quicklook on my monitor (16:10) and when I get around to this, if there's no fix from the community, I'll play with gamepad on my tv.  you can "disable" black bars on PC but it's vert-, meaning it zooms in and crops out the sides leaving you with a narrow fov. 
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2014, 02:27:22 PM
I'm on chapter 3. This game seems like it feels bad that RE4 let you engage in, you know, action and for the early part of it seems to be giving you a preponderance of, "haw haw, here's this crazy, scary, gross situation that you can't get out of through direct conflict!" Of course, this game does stealth as well as any game ever (read: tolerably at best, but not something you want to base a whole game around) so that sort of thing is wearing thin... and it's still early in the game. I hope that there are opportunities for more action as the game progresses; if not this will NOT be a game I enjoy overall.

The atmosphere is nailed, though. They got that right. Shit is downright creepy from the get go basically.

Graphics- so, this game is not the prettiest thing ever to look at. And my pc is a damn sight more powerful than either of the "next gen" home consoles, so yeah... lighting/shadows etc is done well and contributes to the mood in a positive manner. Pretty much everything else is kind of an eyesore to look at (not a compliment) and the game has pretty bad anti-aliasing issues. (Even though Bethesda just published it, STILL. I mean, STILL. You would swear they were responsible.)

Not sure where this is gonna end up for me overall tbh.

I played for an hour or so into the game and I would agree with most of this.

The atmosphere and tone is great but so far I've spent a lot of time crouched and walking around which isn't the most fun thing in the world. I mean the stealth stuff here isn't the deepest so its not the most enjoyable thing.

We'll see how the pacing changes as we go along. There are other small quibbles that I have but I'll save those for if/when I beat the game to mention them.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2014, 02:35:05 PM
There's more combat in Chapters 3 and 4, but I think it says a lot that when I had to fight the boss in Chapter 3, my first inclination was to try to trick him into destroying the obstacle that was blocking my progress rather than, you know, try to kill him.

Game is fun but I'm pretty sure my review score is gonna be "I wish I had paid $20 less for this, still worth playing tho"
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 14, 2014, 03:38:14 PM
Wow! It comes with a full colored manual. That Bethesda money!
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 14, 2014, 03:56:56 PM
streaming

http://www.twitch.tv/rahxephon91
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Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 14, 2014, 04:08:12 PM
I need to do some console command magic because this letterboxing on a 24" monitor is fucking atrocious, despite whatever the developer intended.

edit: or maybe i'll just deal with it. :fbm
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Post by: Brehvolution on October 14, 2014, 04:09:06 PM
streaming

http://www.twitch.tv/rahxephon91

Just saw you die. :kobeyuck
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2014, 04:25:09 PM
edit: or maybe i'll just deal with it. :fbm

That should be the tagline for this generation of gaming.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2014, 04:40:42 PM
Just played the intro , pretty cool.

Animations are janky and budget, atmosphere is there.

Cant wait to see more.

Letterboxing is weird, makes it feel more claustrophobic but also annoying.

Wow! It comes with a full colored manual. That Bethesda money!

Wut? Where?

I got like 3 pages :/
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Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Just hooked up my new PS3 and it's DLing The Evil Within now. Mostly painless process.

Using my Wii U's HDMI cable right now since Sony's too cheap to include one with the system. A lot of the UI text seems weirdly aliased, too. Especially the keyboard.
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Post by: demi on October 14, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Just hooked up my new PS3 and it's DLing The Evil Within now. Mostly painless process.

Using my Wii U's HDMI cable right now since Sony's too cheap to include one with the system. A lot of the UI text seems weirdly aliased, too. Especially the keyboard.

I got an HDMI cable with mine... maybe they took it out for the super slim.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
I have a super slim and I don't remember it coming with an hdmi cable either.
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 14, 2014, 07:59:41 PM
Just hooked up my new PS3 and it's DLing The Evil Within now. Mostly painless process.

Using my Wii U's HDMI cable right now since Sony's too cheap to include one with the system. A lot of the UI text seems weirdly aliased, too. Especially the keyboard.


did you bump the resolution all the way up in the settings menu?
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Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2014, 08:01:34 PM
I think it auto-adjusted. TV says it's a 1080p feed.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 14, 2014, 08:05:25 PM
Just played the intro , pretty cool.

Animations are janky and budget, atmosphere is there.

Cant wait to see more.

Letterboxing is weird, makes it feel more claustrophobic but also annoying.

Wow! It comes with a full colored manual. That Bethesda money!

Wut? Where?

I got like 3 pages :/
Yep, a good old manual complete with character profiles. That was a surprise.
Crappy picture.
http://imgur.com/AMXXckV
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2014, 08:21:58 PM
Unlocking the framerate on the PC version and other cheats:

http://www.incgamers.com/2014/10/how-to-unlock-the-evil-withins-framerate-and-cheat
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
Unlocking the framerate on the PC version and other cheats:

http://www.incgamers.com/2014/10/how-to-unlock-the-evil-withins-framerate-and-cheat

Cool, the only thing I think I'll bother to fuck with is the aspect ratio.
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Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2014, 09:12:18 PM
Bought the season pass. :lawd

spoiler (click to show/hide)
WTF is a season pass? ???

spoiler (click to show/hide)
;)
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 15, 2014, 01:07:00 AM
There's more combat in Chapters 3 and 4, but I think it says a lot that when I had to fight the boss in Chapter 3, my first inclination was to try to trick him into destroying the obstacle that was blocking my progress rather than, you know, try to kill him.

Game is fun but I'm pretty sure my review score is gonna be "I wish I had paid $20 less for this, still worth playing tho"

Triumph is pretty much nailing it. Chapters 3 and 4 were much better than the first two. You get to use a mix of stealth and action which is much more appealing. The atmosphere continues to be very well done.
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Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2014, 01:55:53 AM
Just finished the first two. Impressions:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
- Forced stealth for the entire first chapter is... bleh. I think I died around 20 times in the first chapter. :lol But I'm also getting used to the Dual Shock for the first time, and I'm on the higher difficulty setting.
- I like the gameplay style in the second chapter. Mix of stealth and action, with a high reward for stealth but gunplay ain't bad and popping headshots is also very rewarding (but risky.)
- Torching bodies and disarming traps feel like they're straight out of a design document for Mikami's hypothetical RE5. Nice evolutions of the formula.
- I know the game is trying to be mysterious but I had absolutely no time to process the character's names, let alone feel like they've been introduced or anything yet, including the main character. I also have no idea what these environments are or what my objective actually is. In RE4 and SH1-3 your setting and goal were made perfectly clear. I'm more confused than disturbed at this point, so I hope this pays off.
- Upgrade system is clean and cool.
- This definitely feels like Mikami cribbing quite a bit from Team Silent, right down to the musical opening to the game. The supernatural framework gives Mikami a lot more toys in the box to play with, but that makes me slightly concerned too. We'll see how it plays out.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2014, 02:15:40 AM
Some other thoughts:

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-Unless I missed it, there's no Asylum mirror portal in chapter 3, which kinda sucks because I had like 10,000+ green gel by the end of the chapter
-You should DEFINITELY be disarming traps. The only exception I make are explosive wire traps, because you can use those to kill assholes. Scavenged trap parts can be used to construct ammo for the crossbow you get in chapter 3.
-The game needs an area map that fills in as you explore that you can refer to.
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Levelling up abilities/stats/gear is done well. I'll try to play this some more in the coming days... but I'll be honest, I'm having more fun with the new Borderlands game. GET DAT LEWT, SON.

:yeshrug
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 15, 2014, 02:48:38 AM
Finished 5 chapters.

I like it.

No its not a revolution on the order of Resident Evil 4 nor is it as good as that game. But I wasn't really expecting that. Those don't come along very often.

It's the gameplay style of RE mixed with the atmosphere and tone of Silent Hill. The controls are funkier than I wish they were. I wish there was a map. I wish it forced you to revisit areas like RE 4 instead of moving from one new place to another. I have other assorted quibbles.

But so far I just find it enjoyable. I think if you like horror atmosphere you will find a lot to like here. Some of the imagery and visual effects in the game are as good as something that would belong in a motion picture. Not all of it hits that level but more does than any recent horror game imo.

I've just about run completely out of ammo a few times and been scrambling around to find some in the heat of battle which is nice. The story is goofy and cheesy and cliche but the earnestness is appreciated. 

I'm digging it so far.
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Post by: iconoclast on October 15, 2014, 03:39:18 AM
I played up to chapter 7 today.

I really like all of the options you have for combat. There's a lot of variety. If there's an enemy off by himself, you can stealth kill him. If an enemy comes charging at you with an axe or torch, you can shoot it out of his hands, pick it up and use it for an instakill (or just pick it up after shooting his head off). You can shoot somebody's legs when he comes running at you to knock him to the floor and torch him before he gets back up. The crossbow lets you freeze, blind, stun, or harpoon enemies, all of which are especially useful on the tougher enemies because you can then follow up with a stealth kill or light them on fire. Plus there are all of the traps littered throughout each stage - oil puddles you can burn, switches you can press to trigger spikes/arrows/etc, bear traps for enemies to get stuck in, proximity mines you can blow up, etc. It never feels too repetitive because each combat scenario is fairly unique and there are a bunch of different ways you can approach each situation. And of course the combat itself feels great due to the excellent feedback you get from each shot.

The only problems I have with the game are that it starts off pretty slow (it doesn't pick up until chapter 3), the checkpoints are too frequent (death is pretty much meaningless), and the general jankiness. Sebastian's running animations look terrible imo and movement can feel a little jerky. There have also been some framerate stutters here and there, but nothing that really bothered me (playing on the Xbone). Other than that, the game has been great.
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Post by: demi on October 15, 2014, 09:22:18 AM
I saw the final boss on a stream yesterday.

 :kobeyuck
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Post by: bork on October 15, 2014, 12:33:50 PM
Forced stealth for the entire first chapter is... bleh. I think I died around 20 times in the first chapter. :lol But I'm also getting used to the Dual Shock for the first time, and I'm on the higher difficulty setting.

It's not all forced. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I ran right past the larger room where chainsaw guy is patrolling and got through the door.  He was chasing me, but I was still able to get there before he could do anything.
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   :lol  Nice to have that kind of freedom.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2014, 04:21:07 PM
How can you even die more then once in chapter 1, smh. (Casual lol)

Finished 1 and 2 today and it feels like a tutorial so far.

Letterboxing sucks a bit, and the game does look very last gen.

Overall so far the mood and controls are good, cant wait to see the meat of the game. Story is wtf.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 15, 2014, 04:30:12 PM
So... Black Friday sales, then?
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2014, 04:36:41 PM
Hard to say after 2 chapters, but its not a must play game of the year experience as you see from the impressions here.

Think in the end it will be a solid 7/8 game for most.

I havent played a horror game since Condemned and its hitting the right spot for me.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2014, 04:39:48 PM
It's a pretty solid game so far, though I'm playing on the lowest difficulty setting so some of the frustrating things may not really be a factor here. Basically, it reminds me of when I played RE4 back in the day, just without the same level of polish that you got from an established development team with tons of experience working together. I hope it sells well enough for Bethesda to keep bankrolling them.
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Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2014, 04:46:27 PM
How can you even die more then once in chapter 1, smh. (Casual lol)

I beat Castlevania last week honey.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9f530jSOWoA/UP42u7tu8hI/AAAAAAAABAY/j76rcpEGS6o/s400/Finger+wag.gif)
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2014, 04:47:03 PM
I didn't notice the keys right away in CH 1, so I probably died a good 10 times too

:fbm
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Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2014, 04:48:42 PM
It's a pretty solid game so far, though I'm playing on the lowest difficulty setting so some of the frustrating things may not really be a factor here. Basically, it reminds me of when I played RE4 back in the day, just without the same level of polish that you got from an established development team with tons of experience working together. I hope it sells well enough for Bethesda to keep bankrolling them.

Bolded is how I'm feeling too. Though I can hardly blame them, RE4 was originally only for one system and had the benefit of being in dev hell for years. This one was co-developed for multiple current and then-next-gen systems at once.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2014, 04:50:26 PM
I think thats spot on.

Andrex Im janking your chain, I died too, on casual, cause I didnt see the keys.
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Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2014, 04:50:48 PM
I didn't notice the keys right away in CH 1, so I probably died a good 10 times too

:fbm

Yeah it wasn't clear what you were supposed to do at that point. I tried sneaking past the dude (and succeeded) thinking he was walking to a door and coming back, but nope, no door there. Then I accidentally pulled off a sneak kill on him, but it didn't stop him. The keys and other items aren't shiny so it didn't stand out to me.

Plus I'm playing via composite because the PS3 uses fucking HDCP encryption meaning I can't stream over HDMI.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 15, 2014, 05:03:19 PM
Plus I'm playing via composite because the PS3 uses fucking HDCP encryption meaning I can't stream over HDMI.

Wha?

Is streaming the game really that important to you?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2014, 05:13:49 PM
Yup.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2014, 02:14:38 AM
Uh, I played through the end of Chapter 2 and I don't know if I like it.  Maybe it's just because I have high standards with Mikami and believe every single game he's ever directed is at least a 9/10 with most 10/10s, or maybe it's because the first intro chapter was TERRIBLE rails experience with a super shitty stealth room at the end (chapter 2 was much better), but so far the gameplay feels like a shitty Last of Us (throw those bottles!) x shitty RE4 with atmosphere story that's a shitty Silent Hill x shitty RE4.  Just feels super derivative and everything is worse than the games it steals from. 

But hey, haven't played a game that's felt so B-tier Japan in a while!  Graphics (and controls almost, but controls are better here, just that chapter 1 wobbling so fucking slow was just freaking awful) initially reminded me of Deadly Premonitions but chapter 2 looked better even if it was just RE4 HD.


Sounds like a lot of hate but I really enjoy this genre of gaming so I'm having some fun mixed in between annoyances.  Really hope it's just a slow start and once you get more items/abilities/weapons/HP it gets closer to a good RE4/TLoU.


What's the point of burning bodies that are background bodies and not a threat?  I don't have enough extra matches so far in this game to be wasting them on non-threats.

And I want to just complain about how the opening chapter starts the game on a really bad note.  It's clearly trying to be Silent Hill, but no SH game that I can remember off the top of my had has forced crappy stealth puzzles or had awful hobbling movement or even been so linear as chapter 1.  Chapter 1 feels like they're trying to copy Silent Hill but they don't get what makes Silent Hill good.  Chapter 2 feels like they're trying to copy RE4 but don't have the budget to polish it to that quality.  Also maybe they're trying to borrow from Amnesia as well but Amnesia controls far better and is much less annoying.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2014, 02:22:25 AM
For what its worth I think the worst 2 chapters are the first two chapters. As if gives the impression, the game will be a stealth game almost solely. After chapter 2 it clearly turns into an action game with stealth as an option in specific areas and situations.

Burning preset bodies is a gamble based on how many matches you have. Sometimes there are preset areas where they will come back to life and burning them stops that. Sometimes you might get an item from them like ammo or something. In one specific case, I got a "key" which will make sense to you later.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2014, 02:23:57 AM
Yeah, first two chapters are the lowpoint of the game.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2014, 02:25:06 AM
That's good to hear.  Yeah the impression I got from chapter 2 is that the game is The Last of Us where every single individual enemy is a puzzle stealth encounter (throw bottle at head and rush or sneak around behind after learning patrol and/or cat & mouse games complete with MGS places to hide) and combat is only when necessary since ammo is limited and enemies take a few shots.  As that kind of game it seems kind of weak.  If it turns into a normal survival horror action game I can definitely see it being more enjoyable as the pace will pick up.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2014, 02:28:58 AM
Yeah I haven't used a bottle since like chapter 2. I've stealth killed stuff since then. But it hasn't been that sort of style after chapter 2 where you are forced to constantly be chucking bottles around and I'm up to chapter 7 now.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2014, 02:31:02 AM
Very good to hear.  Bottle aiming is not so good since the marker goes through the zombie's head and doesn't stop on them indicating the bottle will hit them.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2014, 02:33:34 AM
Very good to hear.  Bottle aiming is not so good since the marker goes through the zombie's head and doesn't stop on them indicating the bottle will hit them.

It's just a boring tired mechanic nowadays. I mean the last time I saw it in a game that worked was Mark of the Ninja.  I got sick of it in Last of Us rather quickly. And I was a bit scared about it here early and maybe it makes a resurgence later in the game or something, but like I've said, I've mostly played it as an action game except for very specific situations where stealth is called for. And even then I didn't have to resort to bottles.
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Post by: Himu on October 16, 2014, 02:34:37 AM
I'm getting this on Friday. Looking forward to it. I hope it's about as replayable as Mikami's other titles.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 16, 2014, 11:01:51 AM
I think they did the chapter setup so once you finished one you can revisit it and play on a higher difficulty setting.

Finished chapter 3, action picked up a lot, good fun, but the letterboxing is becoming a hinderence.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2014, 02:51:19 PM
I appreciate chapter breaks in action games so you can replay them later for higher score ranks/collectibles.  I also prefer when everything carries over between difficulties and chapter selects like DMC.


The letterbox issue is weird.  I'm barely ok with it, but I'm really surprised how much of the screen it takes up playing a game like this.  Feels like I'm playing it on a tiny screen >_<  What's really fucking sad though is that even when rendering like 35-40% few pixels/graphics the game still runs like shit on PS4 and this is Id Tech 5 that runs 60fps on almost everything with RAGE and Wolfenstein.
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Post by: iconoclast on October 16, 2014, 03:51:22 PM
I also prefer when everything carries over between difficulties and chapter selects like DMC.

I think New Game+ only affects the difficulties you've already beaten, so you'll be back to square one when you begin Nightmare or Akumu.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 16, 2014, 04:11:29 PM
Thats lame

Since in playing on casual
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Post by: Bebpo on October 17, 2014, 04:09:55 AM
I think I really hate this game :\  So bummed, I fucking love survival horror and love Mikami.

Just finished Chapter 3 which took me 2 hours and like 50 deaths because I'm the kind of person who likes to explore every nook and cranny of the village, kill every enemy, find every treasure.  But since there's like no ammo and your melee attack only gets you killed since it does no damage...was a looooot of trial and experiment to find out enemy locations/setups, where items/ammo were.  Finding the save area helped A LOT but I didn't find that until about 80 mins in so was relying on random checkpoints.  Was just way too punishing.  Look here, there's a ladder to climb but there's a bomb in the way!  Better disable it and you only get one chance and the meter arrow moves pretty fast w/tv lag and if you miss well INSTANT FUCKING DEATH TOO BAD YOU JUST DID A LOT OF STUFF RIGHT BEFORE THIS, time to do it again!

Really frustrating game so far on survival.  Even the boss fight took a few tries because I was nailing the boss with explosive bolts, using traps to fucking IMPALE THE BOSS and shotgunning it for an entire ammo clip while running backwards and it still didn't want to die until the very last shot.  I couldn't even tell if I was doing what the game wanted me to or if I needed to find some context sensitive trigger to kill the boss. Meanwhile it can kill you so fast if you get cornered.  Just feels like playing RE4/5 on the hardest difficulty mode right off the bat which is super frustrating even if the underlying game is fun. 

Also the gun enemies were totally bullshit and added another couple of unexpected deaths out of nowhere losing all the last 5-10 minutes of progress.  Feels like Dark Souls, die and learn what to expect, repeat repeat repeat.

Think I'm gonna bite the bullet and be lame and change to casual for ch.4 on and see if it makes the game more enjoyable and less trial and error for me.


I feel like it's an action game that's trying too hard to be survival but the problem is 1) there's not a whole lot of room for stealth sneaking/hiding like a non-shooting action game in some of these areas like ch.3 because the game forces combat on you & 2) RE4 worked because the knife melee action fucking worked and was a useful stun/takedown technique; it feels like RE4 if you took out the knife, dropped the ammo down to 1/10th the amount and increased the damage taken by 3-4x.  I'm fine with limited ammo but you gotta give me viable alternatives like a WORKING MELEE or good stealth action all the time.
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Post by: iconoclast on October 17, 2014, 06:18:19 AM
The melee is good as a defensive tool for when an enemy is about to grab you. It's not supposed to do a lot of damage, it just stuns them for a second and gives you the chance to either run away or line up a shot.

You can also survive a bomb blast, but only if you have more than the amount of health you can regenerate. You will probably get used to the timing for disarming traps after some practice, though. Just press the button a little early.

And I'll spoiler some combat tips if you want to try and conserve ammo:
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1. Matches are great, don't ignore them. When an enemy comes charging at you, shoot him in the leg to knock him down and drop a match on him before he gets back up. This is my #1 tactic for Akumu mode right now, lol.

2. Upgrade your flashbolts and use them often. If you're fighting a group of enemies, you can blind and stealth kill all of them with a single arrow. They only cost two parts to make, so they are both cheap and powerful.

3. This probably goes without saying, but try to use the environment to kill enemies whenever possible. Bales of hay are really good in the first few chapters. Just light them on fire and it'll kill every enemy that touches them.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 17, 2014, 08:22:55 AM
I dunno beps you could have saved the game a few times after beating a few guys and getting loot. If you want to explore thats the only way.

Dunno why you say casual is lame, games have different difficulties for a reason, if you arent having fun spending 3 hours on chapter 3 I think thats more lame :)
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2014, 08:31:18 AM
I can't say I've found it especially difficult on survival. I say that not to brag because I'm definitely a very average player and probably sub-par in games like this and maybe that you haven't picked up some of the basic tips on how to play the game effectively yet.

iconoclast has some good tips there. Another I would say is that early on you can honestly also just run away in certain combat situations to regroup and the enemies won't be able to keep up with you and they will reset back to their patterns.

The ammo is limited in cases so you do have to make your shots count but I would say the most important aspect of the game is learning how to efficiently kill enemies with the least amount of ammo consumption which is where the tips come in. Make sure you upgrade you matches early as it doesn't cost much by comparison and matches are a great way to save ammo since you can install-kill most enemies that get knocked on the ground.

I honestly really find this aspect of the game refreshing. It's still combat centric but not brainless.

But I certainly can imagine situations, especially early on, where if you aren't careful with your ammo, some areas suddenly become very frustrating. 
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2014, 09:10:53 AM
Just bump the difficulty down, Bebs.
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Post by: demi on October 17, 2014, 10:59:22 AM
Dont bump it down. Accept your failure and move on. If Iconoclast can do it on Akuma mode, so can you.
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Post by: Rufus on October 17, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
Nope. Supposedly part of the artistic vision, but that's most likely rubbish considering how the game runs.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 17, 2014, 04:35:31 PM
Ok, still playing on survivor and getting the hang of it more.  I think the problem is that ch.1-2, train you on stealth and then ch.3 throws you into action and non-linear design and I didn't know a lot of things so it was bad luck combined with frustrating.

-Like knowing that there's a save point to use as a base for each area is really really helpful.
-Knowing that you can disarm trap chests by opening slightly and letting go and opening again is helpful.
-leg shot to burn is helpful
-Having to rush -> duck -> stab for blinded stealth kills as opposed to just rush a blinded enemy and not get the prompt is helpful.

Things I still need help with:

-I can't figure out enemy luring and burning.  If I wait until they get too close they hit me hard or kill me, if I light something from a bit away, they're afraid and won't go near it.

-Related, I can't figure out how to use hay stacks.  It seems like there should be a way to move them around and use as like burning barriers but I can't move them and it's hard to get enemies right up to them.

-I don't quite get how the key locker works.  At first I thought it was a cool system where you can visit whenever and replenish ammo, but they're one time use.  So can't tell if it's a bad idea to take ammo and stuff that I might not really need right now but could be helpful in a later chapter?

-Can you only blind an enemy with a bottle (for a rush stealth kill) if they haven't seen you yet?  Because I hit enemies in the head with a bottle who are approaching me and then rush them and they hit me.

-I'm actually running the most low on matches out of all ammo since I keep using them to save gun ammo.  Wish you could purchase matches somewhere.


I feel like this is a game with a big learning curve and when you get the details of the combat down it's a fun RE4-2, but until you figure it out it can be a lot of dying.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2014, 05:00:09 PM
It won't always be haystacks but the concept will remain the same. You have to lure guys near them and them set them on fire with whatever the environmental object is. I wasn't particular good at it so I didn't use it that much but that's mainly due to my play style as I tend to get fidgety and not patient when lots of creatures are about in a room.

It's the same concept kind of with burning bodies. I try to set up situations where multiple guys are near me or knocked on the ground and then light a corpse or a downed person on fire. That way you can take out multiple guys with the fire. It's a bit fidgety though and risky and sometimes they will hit you before you can throw the match or the match won't go exactly where you expect it to go. It's sort of a more risky thing to do.

The lockers will have one "thing" in them. If its ammo, and you are full on that particular ammo you can just leave it and go get it later. The locker contents stay until you pull everything out of a particular locker.

I never used bottles. But you will find a bolt that is more efficient for blinding enemies anyway. At least the earlier enemies.

Matches go in waves. You will get a lot at certain points but you will go long stretches without finding any so you want to load up on them when you can and then you kind of have to pace them with your ammo.


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Post by: Bebpo on October 17, 2014, 05:46:37 PM
Chapter 4 was fun but the trial and error instant deaths at the end were kind of annoying.  I think this is the type of game that'll be better on the second play through since you'll know what's scripted and what's not and what to do.

Fighting a ton of enemies in the big room was pretty intense.  Used a lot of traps, bolts, everything I could and barely scrapped by.


I think one reason why it feels so hard like I'm playing on Akumu mode right off the bat is that I never have more than the minimum 25hp at any time.  When I do find a syringe I use it but I usually take damage before finding the next syringe so I'm always hovering at that one hit until death which makes it pretty tough for me. 
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 17, 2014, 06:01:57 PM
can someone just tell me if this game is awesome or not please
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Post by: Bebpo on October 17, 2014, 06:20:48 PM
It's way better than shadows of the damned at least.
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Post by: Trent Dole on October 17, 2014, 06:40:13 PM
So should we change the thread title to fails to save?
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Post by: Himu on October 17, 2014, 08:29:19 PM
Is survivor the hardest mode?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2014, 10:15:59 PM
Is survivor the hardest mode?

It's the hardest on the your first playthrough. Nightmare and Akumu mode are unlocked after you beat it once.
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Post by: iconoclast on October 18, 2014, 12:34:35 AM
Apparently I fucked up not interacting with something in chapter 3 which brings up keys to collect and use in the mirror place. Ah well, game's great and I'll just be sure to do that on the 2nd playthrough.

The lockers aren't that important, they just give you some (randomly chosen?) extra resources. Most of the keys are pretty well hidden, too. I've probably only found 20 at most between both of my playthroughs and there's 45? total.

Anyway, I just made it to chapter 7 in Akumu and I think the game is great so far. It's certainly not Mikami's best game (that's a toss up between Vanquish and God Hand for me), but it still has his seal of quality. Just expect some "Japanese developers working with a western engine" jank and lack of technical polish. The game design is still mostly great.
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Post by: Himu on October 18, 2014, 03:49:03 PM
Only had enough time to play a bit of Chapter 1 before work.

So far, it's fantastic. I like the feeling of dread. I like that you have to use stealth. I like that there's not an overabundance of action so far. Action is what ruined the horror genre, so fuck it. Action is fine, in gulps. But not every horror movie needs to be Army of Darkness or Aliens, just like how every horror game doesn't need to be RE4. A genre stagnated for nearly ten years. This level of commitment to horror and not pow pow bullshit is :bow Mikami's proverbial middle finger is :rejoice
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2014, 04:51:47 PM
:what

Chapter 1 is straight up garbage
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Post by: Himu on October 18, 2014, 05:08:55 PM
There will be some pow pow, himu. There will be.

So I wouldn't shit on pow pow just yet.

There will be pow pow but it's not pow pow out the gate. Too few games spend actual time building things up. Well, now they do. They didn't in the past. In Silent Hill, you cannot shoot guns until a ways into the story. Before that you usually beat monsters to death with a wooden fence piece or pipe or run away. So holding off on guns is true to the genre.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 18, 2014, 06:26:49 PM
Chapter 5 now, its setting into solid B territory.

Still upset about the black borders, really big downer.
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Post by: bork on October 18, 2014, 06:56:08 PM
I'm on chapter 3 am just not feeling this game.  I had a hard time with a lot of the enemies in chapter 2 and wound up pretty much just sneaking or running past them all.  Felt kind of boring once I realized this was possible.
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Post by: iconoclast on October 18, 2014, 08:02:13 PM
You're supposed to use stealth to deal with most of the enemies in chapter 2 since you're still really low on resources (or you could try to lure them through the traps and burn them). The first two chapters are very different from the rest of the game. Once you get the rest of the weapons it starts to place more emphasis on action, though not as much as RE4+. You'll still be low on resources compared to just about any other TPS, but I like having to manage all of my ammo and think about how I should approach each encounter.
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Post by: Himu on October 18, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
Chainsaw guy scares the shit out of me
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Post by: Himu on October 18, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
The atmosphere in chapter 2. :lawd

Oh my god. Chapter 1 was already great but chapter 2 ups the ant.
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Post by: Himu on October 18, 2014, 10:43:16 PM
Chapter 2 is incredible. From just a few fights in the game already starts setting up encounters that allow for multiple approaches to doing things. You can save your matches and burn the hay you're hiding behind to district the zombies and then get out of dodge, you can sneak around a house and hide inside a locker and then bait them by burning a body inside and then kill them, you can throw a bottle to distract one zombie and just avoid the encounter period because due to lack of resources - and in true survival horror tradition - fighting isn't that crucial right now, you can do stealth kills, if that's your style.

Or bring out your gun and go pow pow. But, thankfully, you start with only 6 bullets so you have to make every shot count. :rejoice

Either way, one encounter, lots of options. The game does a great job of giving off the idea that you need to do things in order to survive. It takes some of the more unique elements of two of the best Resident Evil's - burning bodies so they don't respawn in REmake, environmental awareness in RE4 (i.e. covering a door with a shelf to bar entry).

So far it seems like a tremendous evolution on what was brought to the table in past Mikami horror games. I'm not understanding the disappointment of Chapter 1 and 2 from earlier in this thread as it's the literally the exact thing the game was advertised to be. :bow :rejoice Horror with choices and not just bang bang :piss2 :bow2 Positive, BUY THIS GAME.

BTW, the save point is VERY Killer 7-esque. A room that has little bearing on the main story, that takes place in a totally different location as where you're currently at in the story, which serves to increase Mind Fuck (tm) quotient and as a unique place to level up your abilities. Even the leveling system is Killer 7 esque.

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Post by: bork on October 18, 2014, 11:10:12 PM
You're supposed to use stealth to deal with most of the enemies in chapter 2 since you're still really low on resources (or you could try to lure them through the traps and burn them). The first two chapters are very different from the rest of the game. Once you get the rest of the weapons it starts to place more emphasis on action, though not as much as RE4+. You'll still be low on resources compared to just about any other TPS, but I like having to manage all of my ammo and think about how I should approach each encounter.

Good to know.  Hopefully it becomes more to my liking.

Yeah in chapter 2 you're basically supposed to run away. You can take em out too if you want. I don't see how you think you tricked the game.

Because it doesn't really tell you much.  I figured the point was to try to take the enemies out and get more resources along the way. 
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2014, 11:48:07 PM
So far it seems like a tremendous evolution on what was brought to the table in past Mikami horror games. I'm not understanding the disappointment of Chapter 1 and 2 from earlier in this thread as it's the literally the exact thing the game was advertised to be. :bow :rejoice Horror with choices and not just bang bang :piss2 :bow2 Positive, BUY THIS GAME.

:what

I think what you meant was "horror with the choice I want, so I'm reacting positively towards it"

Please tell me how avoiding conflict = choice in chapters 1 and 2

 ::)
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 19, 2014, 01:58:06 AM
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 02:00:59 AM
Chapter 3 :whoo
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2014, 06:57:06 AM
Game really comes into its own in chapter 5 and 6.
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 19, 2014, 09:15:11 AM
so what system should i get this for? does it look noticeably worse on last-gen consoles?
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2014, 11:50:50 AM
Looks shit on everything I think
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Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2014, 04:56:25 PM
Really liking this after ch.5/6.  Beginning was definitely rough for me learning how the fuck to play it since it's a challenging game, but once I got the hang of it and the levels started getting larger and more meaty, it's basically a more challenging RE4 with Silent Hill's atmosphere and story-telling.  Ch.6 was the best.  Huge level with lots of great parts, except
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the stupid dog boss.
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The art direction is freaking amazing even if it's not pushing any graphical tech.  Feels on par with Team Silent's art direction.  Music is nice too by Grasshopper's main dude.


The only thing's that bug me are 1) load times after deaths and 2) that you can take damage while in canned stealth kill animations.  This is especially frustrating when flash bolting a group and running up and stabbing them all in the face but some dude in the distance runs up while you're doing that and hits you.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2014, 04:57:06 PM
so what system should i get this for? does it look noticeably worse on last-gen consoles?

PC for faster load times if you have a good rig.  Otherwise PS4/Xbone, last resort being PS3/X360.
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Post by: iconoclast on October 19, 2014, 06:09:11 PM
Finished Akumu mode earlier today. There are a few really tough spots, but overall it's pretty manageable if you try and play smart. I'm far from done with the game, but I'll post a review since I don't see my opinion changing much:

+ Combat is top notch. It's a bit like RE4 without the godly melee attacks and far more limited resources. You have to make every shot count and think about how you want to approach each encounter to try and conserve your ammo. Enemies can be dealt with in a variety of ways: you can throw a bottle at their face to blind them for a moment, giving you the opportunity to stealth kill them, you can shoot dynamite out of somebody's hand to kill everyone around him, you can shoot an enemy's leg when he comes running at you to knock him down, giving you the chance to light him on fire, you can use the traps that are scattered throughout the environment, you can use your crossbow to blind, freeze, stun, or harpoon an enemy, you can use an axe or torch as an 1-hit kill melee attack, or you could simply blast their head off (unless they're wearing a bulletproof helmet). Combat never gets boring because of the excellent feedback and because there are so many ways to deal with everything.
+ Sebastian is also more vulnerable than his RE4+ counterparts. His sprint is limited, especially at the start of the game. Hold it for too long and you'll start to slow down; let the meter drain and you'll be immobile until it fully recovers. He may have the cardio of a 500lb asthmatic, but it's obviously a design choice to stop you from feeling too safe. Likewise, his melee attack is only useful as a way to stun enemies for a moment when they get too close, giving you the chance to either run away or line up a shot. You won't be able to headshot somebody and run in for a followup german suplex, (un)fortunately.
+ The upgrade system seems smartly designed. Right now I feel like there's an ideal path to take through it, but maybe that's just my playstyle. Just about everything is useful.
+ Exploration. The stages are usually pretty narrow, but you are constantly rewarded with green gel, ammo, map pieces, or locker keys for thoroughly searching every nook and cranny. All of that stuff is incredibly useful (besides maybe the map pieces, I dunno what you unlock for collecting all of them).
+ The higher difficulties. Most of the encounters have been remixed, so you'll be fighting enemies that normally appear toward the end of the game in the first few chapters. Aside from that, the enemies are more aggressive, they have more health, traps are harder to disarm, and resources are more limited. I'm always glad when developers go the extra mile and rebalance the higher difficulties instead of taking the easy way out and simply changing some damage modifiers, even though only a small percentage of the audience will ever play them. I'd expect nothing less from Mikami & co.
+ New Game+. Always a great feature, and it's done perfectly in this game. You can't play through easy mode and carry your upgrades into the higher difficulties; you always have to start from scratch when moving up.
+ Good boss fights. There aren't a ton of them, but they're all fun to fight.
+ Good art and aesthetics. The environments are varied and are full of detail to make them look really run down and destroyed. The lighting also looks fantastic.
+ This game has one of the best sets of achievements I've seen in a long time. There's one for beating each difficulty, one for speed running the game, one for maxing out your character, one for completing the game without upgrading your character at all, one for finding all of the collectibles, and individual achievements for completing a specific task in each chapter. It encourages mastery and 100% completion, so I don't see much room for improvement.

= The story is alright. I like it as a way to transition between environments, but the characters and plot aren't all that compelling.
= The final boss isn't much of a boss, it's just a cinematic setpiece battle. I suppose it's one of the best examples of that type of design, but a proper boss fight would have been much better.
= There are several "walk slowly while scripted events unfold" sections in the game. They aren't frequent enough to be annoying, but it would be better if they didn't exist. Maybe they're just there to mask loading or something.

- Checkpoints are very frequent, which makes death pretty meaningless most of the time. It would have been great if the game had a Dark Souls-esque structure where the save room would act as the bonfire. Akumu mode would be brutal if it weren't for those checkpoints, though. Each one is a relief.
- The black borders. They aren't a big deal to me, but it does make the FOV quite narrow. It's easy to miss stuff if you don't search thoroughly.
- No bonus content. There are unlockables for beating each difficulty, but I wish the game had some type of challenge mode with a bunch of combat arenas, like Resident Evil's Mercenaries or Vanquish's tactical challenges.
- Chapter 1. There's absolutely nothing interesting about it from a gameplay perspective, it's only there as a tutorial and to setup the story, I guess.
- Chapter 2. It's too focused on stealth. You probably don't want to shoot every enemy you see since you're still extremely low on resources, so you spend most of the chapter slowly crouching through it. Stealth is fine every now and then for some variety, but this is just too much. (For reference, the only stealth games I've ever liked are Splinter Cell's multiplayer and the Metal Gear series. So that doesn't help.)
- Tech issues. The framerate isn't great (though it hardly ever bothered me) and it froze on me at one point. First the sound cut off, then a few minutes later the game crashed. Every time I tried restarting the game, it would crash at the start screen. I had to clear my Xbone's cache to get it to work again, so maybe that was just a problem with the console?

I thought the game was excellent overall and, for now, it might replace Dark Souls II as my #2 pick for GOTY (Crimzon Clover: World Ignition is #1). It's not Mikami's best work (that would be either God Hand or Vanquish imo), but it is yet another impressive entry on his resume. I don't think anybody else is even in the same league as far as current game directors go, to be honest.

Now I think I'll activate my "fighting chance" download and mess around with all of the new weapons in New Game+.
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 06:25:06 PM
Bebpo this does not have Silent Hill storytelling. The similarities are that they're psychological horror at best.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2014, 06:26:56 PM
Nice write-up, icon. :bow2
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 06:34:17 PM
So far, Sebastion is such a non-character. That, combined with the story are the biggest disappointments for me so far.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2014, 07:54:39 PM
Bebpo this does not have Silent Hill storytelling. The similarities are that they're psychological horror at best.

How far are you?  Chapter 6 could be called Silent Hill 5 and no one would bat an eye.  It's more Silent Hill than some of the post SH3 games...  I'm assuming it gets even more SH from this point on.


I thought it was going to be a traditional RE lolz story until about ch.5 when it started getting more interesting.  Liking the plot now (ch.7).
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2014, 07:58:37 PM
The closest aspect to Silent Hill is mainly simply the tone and how the game story is absorbed. The game story isn't really people talking and telling you the story like in a resident evil game. It's more about reading stuff and the game hinting at and setting things up.

Personally I really like the approach in Evil within with that stuff. I haven't finished the game yet though so I can't comment on if it falters on that aspect as it reaches the conclusion.
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 07:58:46 PM
You're joking, Bebpo. Don't do this to me. I'll keep my expectations guarded.
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
The closest aspect to Silent Hill is mainly simply the tone and how the game story is absorbed. The game story isn't really people talking and telling you the story like in a resident evil game. It's more about reading stuff and the game hinting at and setting things up.

Personally I really like the approach in Evil within with that stuff. I haven't finished the game yet though so I can't comment on if it falters on that aspect as it reaches the conclusion.

To be fair, Mikami's only directed RE (besides 4) RE, RE1, is exactly like this. In RE1, you go in the mansion and you have no idea what's going on and you have to use journals and flavor text ("itchy tasty", the mansion's history, what experiments they were conducting;etc) to figure out what's been happening. No one tells you outright, and a lot of it is left to the player. Silent Hill borrowed RE1's structure and merely enhanced it.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 19, 2014, 08:32:47 PM
wow this game is a colossal turd
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 19, 2014, 08:33:24 PM
makes re4 seem tolerable in comparison
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 08:36:45 PM
uhh?
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Post by: Beezy on October 19, 2014, 08:38:37 PM
old ppl ::)
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 19, 2014, 08:40:31 PM
i enjoyed the stealth in wind waker more than chapter 2, and i enjoyed scrotal ticks more than either.

also, story is straight up retardo, read some spoilers and lulz
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2014, 08:41:13 PM
also, story us straight up retardo, read some spoilers and lulz

So its like every other videogame ever.
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
My take on the writing so far:

So far, my take on the storytelling is that it does a lot of neat psychological horror tricks, in the Jacob's Ladder vein, like all of a sudden being in a blood filled room, but none of it is really has any cohesive or thematic sense. In Silent Hill for instance, everything lends credence to the story. Every single monster represents something within the main characters psyche: their fears, their passions, what they hate about themselves, what they hate about the world and life, combined with whatever is torturing them. When James jumps down a random hole that came out of nowhere, he does so because he's falling deeper and deeper in the abyss that is his own limbo and his own mind. In The Evil Within, you'll land in a pool of blood and you can tell that the only reason the developers did it is because,"isn't that cool?!?!"

It's disappointing, but not exactly surprising. Still, if you're going to tout that you're bringing an entire genre to a return to form, shouldn't you have writing that reflects that?
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 19, 2014, 08:54:42 PM
so this is what happens to crusty old trolls when they die
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 08:55:34 PM
also, story us straight up retardo, read some spoilers and lulz

So its like every other videogame ever.

I'll be honest and say that I have a higher standard for game stories when it comes to horror. Horror is the one genre in games I think has eclipsed its film counterpart.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 19, 2014, 08:56:40 PM
so this is what happens to crusty old trolls when they die

:tocry
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2014, 08:57:30 PM
I'm simply in it for the tone. And I think its fine with that and some neat visual tricks.

I played Resident Evil 4 months back and I can't tell you anything intelligent about what happened in that game. I didn't really give a crap. All I really cared about was the cool bits and the action and how it set the table with the tension and action and how it kept things diverse and moving. And that was more than enough for me.

I don't really care about video game stories unless there is a really concerted effort like in a metal gear game to shove it down my throat. I do like tone though and "immersion" which means different things to different people.

I know I'm immersed when I play The Evil within. And I know that it reminds me of a lot of the horror movie stuff I grew up on and liked. Rather than the walking dead which it feels like most modern horror games are going for or a lot of the other horror stuff that's aping that game outlast. That's enough for me. But other people are going to analyze it in a different manner than me and that's fine too.

Silent Hill 2 is the very rare game than can punch above its weight on story terms but its so rare as to not be considered the norm or what I expect in most cases.
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 09:06:37 PM
I can understand all of that. Evil Within certainly immerses me, so most of my criticisms come after the fact rather than during actual play.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2014, 09:13:40 PM
I guess the most interesting comparison for me is between this game and the Last of Us.

And even though Evil Within has a good number of flaws for me the experience is much more enjoyable than playing The Last of Us was for me. Even though critically The Last of Us is more in line with what general consumers want nowadays.

I think its because The Evil Within still feels like a videogame to me. And I really value that distinction.  I don't think the horror, or the story overwhelm the videogame part still being a video game.

Where as I thought the Last of Us didn't feel like something that felt like a videogame. And instead felt like a tv script that had a videogame shoehorned in there.

I don't think everyone would agree with me on that. But for me that's the way it felt.

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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
i haven't played TLOU. I'm going to play it for Halloween and then make a gaf Late to the Party thread for lols.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2014, 09:18:57 PM
i haven't played TLOU. I'm going to play it for Halloween and then make a gaf Late to the Party thread for lols.

You should play it. I'm sure you would have interesting insights into it that maybe are different than mine. It's definitely not a bad game or anything.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2014, 09:41:54 PM
wow this game is a colossal turd

Yeah, I hated this game at first.  It does a horrible job at introducing the game and certain types of players like us old guys can get really frustrated.


However, once you get the hang of it and the game starts getting good, it gets real good and it's a pretty quality game so far.  Right now in the middle it feels RE4/Vanquish level of good gameplay but with less polish this time around.  I made a gaf thread a month or so ago looking for modern AAA games that actually had some good gameplay depth like Vanquish or Bayonetta vs. the scripted shallow stuff of most big titles.  People recommended Dragon's Dogma and Deus Ex HR, which I plan to get to, but right now Evil Within is filling that exact need for me and I couldn't be happier.

But man did I hate this game for the first 3-4 hours.  So I'd recommend not bailing on it, though since you spoiled the story you won't have that hook to keep you invested.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2014, 09:42:34 PM
i haven't played TLOU. I'm going to play it for Halloween and then make a gaf Late to the Party thread for lols.

Hope you like it!  Naughty Dog's best game imo.
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Post by: bork on October 19, 2014, 09:55:33 PM
Still cannot get into this game.  Started Chapter 3, found a bunch of stuff, and then when the enemies started popping up I was again having a hard time wondering what the hell I was supposed to do, mainly because the dark environments and limited FOV made things confusing for me.  I guess I'm in the minority here and the praise I'm reading makes me want to keep going, but I am just not feeling what I have played.

Similarly I cannot get into The Last Of Us either, albeit for different reasons.
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Post by: Himu on October 19, 2014, 10:09:24 PM
The horror may not be as thematic or symbolic as I hoped it'd be, but damn, the game is fantastic at putting you in the main character's shoes and immersing you to the point where you just wanna bail. Chapter 4 is great at that. The limited ammo is still a thing, and some of the encounters end up being more puzzle like affairs if you're lacking in it that. The action continuously builds upon itself to make for some exciting scenarios. The problem is that I'm not exactly sure how much fun it'd be on a replay.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 29, 2014, 04:38:50 AM
Man, some of the scripted trial and error stuff in ch.10 towards the last 1/3rd is super bullshit. 

Pretty mixed feelings on this game.  At times it's fantastic and the best survival action game in year when it's hitting its highs or the atmosphere is dripping with quality; at other times it's some of the most frustratingly poorly designed game design at its lows.  In a single chapter there can be multiple moments of 10/10 game and 4/10 game.  It's definitely worth playing for the highs but man the lows are just so frustrating and time wasting to die and sit through reloads from trial and error scripting.  Feels like a game that'll be much better on 2nd+ playthroughs since you'll know exactly how the scripted parts play out.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 29, 2014, 03:55:54 PM
New update allows for toggling between 30 and 60 FPS and for disable the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen.
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Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2014, 04:34:16 PM
Do they still maintain it was an artistic choice? :heh
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2014, 04:41:55 PM
...this game might have taken a bit of a beating on the most recent Cruncheons.

:hitler
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Post by: Rufus on October 29, 2014, 05:14:42 PM
Cruncheons! \o/
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Post by: Trent Dole on October 29, 2014, 06:31:51 PM
PK over at GB gave this a 2 out of 5.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 31, 2014, 03:12:53 PM
So.... $20 sale or bust?
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Post by: bork on October 31, 2014, 03:18:24 PM
New update allows for toggling between 30 and 60 FPS and for disable the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen.

Really?  OK, will give the game another chance.
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Post by: cool breeze on October 31, 2014, 03:22:51 PM
glad I tried the PC demo (also there's a PC demo on steam, first three chapters).  it runs like trash on my old 560ti.  I'll revisit it when I get a 970 later this year. 
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2014, 03:42:51 PM
So.... $20 sale or bust?

I would probably pay $40 for it.

Temper your expectations, though- unless you're absolutely shitbonkers, this is no RE4, and has a lot of really dumb design choices, despite what the Himumus of the world may say.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 31, 2014, 04:54:17 PM
I stopped playing for 10 days due to life and my hype is kind of gone now. Its a solid 7,5 / 10 game but no more.

Bit too janky to be really top tier
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 31, 2014, 04:55:14 PM
So.... $20 sale or bust?

I would probably pay $40 for it.

Temper your expectations, though- unless you're absolutely shitbonkers, this is no RE4, and has a lot of really dumb design choices, despite what the Himumus of the world may say.

I don't really have any expectations. I'm not expecting RE4. I don't listen to Himu's hyperbole filled posts.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 31, 2014, 05:09:33 PM
So.... $20 sale or bust?

I would probably pay $40 for it.

Temper your expectations, though- unless you're absolutely shitbonkers, this is no RE4, and has a lot of really dumb design choices, despite what the Himumus of the world may say.

I don't really have any expectations. I'm not expecting RE4. I don't listen to Himu's hyperbole filled posts.

I don't know if you'd like it.  It's a game that hates you and is meant to feel oppressive and constantly frustrating.  It laughs in your face and even the end game statistics show DEATH COUNT: ____ with a smile at how much they made you die and sit through the loading screen.

There's a good game in there, with some great stuff, but it's not a "lets have some fun!" game.  I still have a couple of chapters left, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone outside hardcore gamers or survival game fans (where oppressive gaming = fun)

It's really pretty though, and the combat can be damn satisfying.  Probably give it like a 7.5/10
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Post by: drew on October 31, 2014, 06:34:56 PM
I'm slowly making my way through this bc life etc but i'd give this an 8.5 - i'm having a lot of fun with it
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Post by: bork on October 31, 2014, 06:43:08 PM
Scratch that- just traded this in ($43!) and picked up Diablo III instead.

Maybe I'll give it another chance when it gets cheap.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2014, 07:00:05 PM
Scratch that- just traded this in ($43!) and picked up Diablo III instead.

Maybe I'll give it another chance when it gets cheap.

 :mynicca
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Post by: Trent Dole on October 31, 2014, 10:28:41 PM
So.... $20 sale or bust?
Basically.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2014, 01:06:32 AM
So.... $20 sale or bust?

I would probably pay $40 for it.

Temper your expectations, though- unless you're absolutely shitbonkers, this is no RE4, and has a lot of really dumb design choices, despite what the Himumus of the world may say.

I don't really have any expectations. I'm not expecting RE4. I don't listen to Himu's hyperbole filled posts.

I don't know if you'd like it.  It's a game that hates you and is meant to feel oppressive and constantly frustrating.  It laughs in your face and even the end game statistics show DEATH COUNT: ____ with a smile at how much they made you die and sit through the loading screen.

There's a good game in there, with some great stuff, but it's not a "lets have some fun!" game.  I still have a couple of chapters left, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone outside hardcore gamers or survival game fans (where oppressive gaming = fun)

It's really pretty though, and the combat can be damn satisfying.  Probably give it like a 7.5/10

Thanks for assuming I don't like a challenge.  ::)

Looks like my kind of game, but I'm learning that I don't need to buy everything right away. Price drop, baby.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 01, 2014, 04:11:31 AM
You play shitty Gundam games, I know you like challenge :P


Didn't think you were into survival horror though.
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Post by: Positive Touch on November 01, 2014, 12:33:24 PM
you ever play siren or amnesia, bebpo? the way himu and you were describing this makes it sound familiar to those games, in that it is extremely tense and will easily punish you with death when you fuck up.  I fucking love those games, so I really hope evil within is similar. I'm picking it up regardless whenever it has a price drop.
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Post by: bork on November 01, 2014, 12:57:05 PM
There's a good game in there, with some great stuff, but it's not a "lets have some fun!" game.

So, in other words...it's not a good game.   :lol
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
It's good, but it's not Senran Kagura good.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 01, 2014, 07:13:43 PM
you ever play siren or amnesia, bebpo? the way himu and you were describing this makes it sound familiar to those games, in that it is extremely tense and will easily punish you with death when you fuck up.  I fucking love those games, so I really hope evil within is similar. I'm picking it up regardless whenever it has a price drop.

Yeah, I like Siren (Siren 2 even more) and Amnesia was pretty good if overrated (preferred Penumbra for the creepy/scares, but Amnesia plays way better).  TEW is nothing like those.  The atmosphere is similar, it's pretty intense at times.  But imo, it plays more like a bad attempt at Dark Souls design where you have to tread very slowly and carefully because if you just run into an area you'll die most of the time.  I feel like DS at first was lambasted by some as trial & error, but for the most part it really isn't, if you play carefully you can go a long time without dying.  TEW has a lot of trail & error because shit just pops out, and you instantly die and then you don't do it again the next time.  That's not all the sections, but that's what the bad parts are like and there's too many of those parts.  When it's good it's either like Dark Souls where you're creeping around disarming traps that would instant kill you if you hadn't noticed them and taking out enemies as they appear; or when it's good it's like RE4 and you're being attacked by a dozen zombies and you've got limited survival ammo and run around taking them out in great mercenaries-like situations.

The reason it doesn't remind me of Siren or Amnesia is that this is not a horror game where you sneak or run past enemies.  This is a game like RE4/Dead Space where you have pistols, shotguns, grenades, etc... with limited ammo and you're always cycling between weapons and headshotting enemies or exploding them.  It's intense because you take a ton of damage and die in 1-3 hits and the enemies don't go down that easy and your ammo is very limited, you also control a bit sluggish and can miss shots.
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Post by: Positive Touch on November 01, 2014, 09:59:32 PM
hmm the cheap death thing sounds reeeeaaal annoying. nothing fucks up horror like having to do the same part over and over.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 02, 2014, 01:01:44 AM
On the plus side, it checkpoints about every 5-10 mins and saves about every half hour.  I'd say it's less that you redo a lot of stuff after dying and more that you redo a small amount of stuff a bunch of times until you get the 5 min section down.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 02, 2014, 03:07:11 AM
The frequent dying kind of ruins the atmsphere, as does the fact the game is divided into levels that have a stage clear screen. Such an odd choice.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2014, 08:19:50 AM
as does the fact the game is divided into levels that have a stage clear screen. Such an odd choice.

(http://i.imgur.com/Evqy5BE.jpg)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 02, 2014, 09:21:28 AM
In all fairness that is 10 years ago.
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Post by: bork on November 02, 2014, 10:10:58 AM
In all fairness that is 10 years ago.

All the RE games do this. 
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Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2014, 01:23:07 AM
Hmm, finished it at 17.5 hours and 104 deaths on survival.  The last couple of chapters were solid.  I think ch.10 is the worst of the frustrating areas, though ch.12 is pretty lame too.


Not sure how I feel about it other than the art is A+++++ and the story is sort of interesting but very much a mess.  The game really is the game you would expect the guy who made RE4 to go and do next.  Similar concepts, but taking it in new directions.  But the janky weak design parts feel like it was rushed or Mikami just missed on some stuff which is pretty unlike him.  I mean for a first game by Tango, it's a pretty good job.  Hmmm....


At least I know where it goes in my Mikami-directed/designed games order:  RE4 > Vanquish > God Hand > TEW = Remake > RE1 > PN03
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 05, 2014, 01:27:14 AM
How many chapters in total?
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Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2014, 01:48:12 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
15 and they're all pretty lengthy from 6 on.  Only ch.12 is short.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 05, 2014, 03:03:34 AM
Here's my review (1st draft, need to sleep so didn't re-read for typos/expect many):

Finished the game at 17.5 hours and 104 deaths on survival. It's a good game, but one I would hesitantly recommend as it's very much only for a certain audience with a very decent tolerance for frustrating parts. A lot of the chapters were fine, but some not so much.

One thing I can say without hesitation is that imo this is the best looking game of 2014. It may not be pushing crazy tech, but as is shown year after year in the game industry, Japan knows its stuff when it comes to art design. Just as Team Silent created the most striking visuals with Silent Hill, Naoki Katakai just does an amazing job with TEW. The lighting, the effects, the rain, even the letterboxing works. It feels like this perfect mindfuck gritty noir psychological detective horror tale; which is exactly what it is! So the visuals just portray the game absolutely perfect.

Music is pretty good as well, though as much as I like Fukuda, I kind of wish Mikami got Yamaoka to go full Silent Hill in atmosphere :P The save room music selection is beautiful though.

The level design is the best this year and one of the worst. The game is incredible for an AAA game in that it's super long and constantly has variety in locations, enemies, bosses, mixing up action & stealth, adventure in a variety of scenarios. TEW reminds me heavily of RE4 in this aspect as RE4 was an impressively long and varied game and TEW is very much the spiritual successor. It's actually nice that such a lengthy game can keep introducing ideas and only use them a few times because it has so much to use. Keeps it fresh and always interesting and never feeling repetitive. On the down side, there's lots of bad player signaling, too many scripted sequences of trial & error, and a lot of cheap deaths at parts which all detract in the moments from the overall fantastic large-length adventure that Tango have created.

Story is solid and provides proper psychological draping. It's a mess, but told in a way that's supposed to be a jumbled mess. Yes, none of the characters are anything more than wooden, but that's not really out of place for the horror genre, and especially Japanese horror. It's more about the story itself and not the characters. You aren't supposed to need to get attached to Sebastian because it's more interesting just trying to figure out what's going on than his particular tale.

Gameplay is good. Combat has good feedback, weapons are fun to use (bow is great!) challenge in combat is tough but fair, though the game really should give some i-frames for canned animations like lighting a match or stealth killing an enemy. Good enemy variety and the few actual boss fights that are actually combat fights are fun. Upgrade system is fine and New Game+ is always a great addition.

Overall The Evil Within really feels like the game you would expect the guy who made Resident Evil 4 to make after RE4, a similar genre game but taken in new directions to make it feel unique and not just derivative. It has a lot of the good parts of RE4's design: Great combat, Varied level design, Good atmosphere. But then brings in survival design from games like Dark Souls where you're encourage to play slowly and creep through the world with your eyes open at all times, where instant death is around every corner and combines it with the psychological story and darker horror of Silent Hill.

The downside though is that it just doesn't nail what it takes from all these games just right. The combat is a bit janky and a little sluggish and not as fun as RE4 (and TEW lacks any pure combat Mercenaries type modes), the survival careful trap and encounter design is off just enough that it can often be cheap and at times frustrating instead of the fun keep-your-eyes-open challenge that the Souls games bring and the story just doesn't come together as much as a good Silent Hill type psychological horror tale would do. At times it seems like it's trying to do too much and exploding from the attempt to contain it all.

So what you end up with is a would-be-masterpiece that's flawed in just about every aspect and at least the first time around, requires patience and tolerance for flawed bits that usually feel more of a "ran out of time" jank than necessarily bad game design. It's tough to really put a number to a game like this because you really want to love it, but objectively it's got flaws spilling out everywhere.

But one thing is for sure, is that it's at least a good game. And for a niche genre like this, it's never bad having an ambitious good game; even if you're gonna get stabbed a few times by its thorns.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2014, 10:38:28 AM
can't agree on the art direction. it's derivative, generic, uninspired garbage. sure, the modeling is good, but that's de rigeur for triple-a caliber japanese games. the lighting is utterly dx9-era last-gen.  the rest of it has about as much horror flavor as a phoned-in direct-to-tv syfy special.
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Post by: bork on November 05, 2014, 11:05:25 AM
I found what I played of the game absolutely no fun and was surprised that I did not like it.  It almost feels like the game is being abusive towards you, and having watched the ending, I guess that's kind of the point.

Overall The Evil Within really feels like the game you would expect the guy who made Resident Evil 4 to make after RE4

It doesn't feel like that kind of game, though.
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Post by: demi on November 05, 2014, 11:09:36 AM
I played 10 minutes of the intro and was throw back at the fact that a quarter of my TV was dedicated to black bars.
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Post by: bork on November 05, 2014, 11:22:17 AM
I played 10 minutes of the intro and was throw back at the fact that a quarter of my TV was dedicated to black bars.

I thought there was a patch to remove the black bars now?  Or was this before that released?

EDIT: Ah, PC. (http://www.vg247.com/2014/10/30/the-evil-within-pc-update-lets-you-remove-those-black-bars/)
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The Evil Within is also available on PlayStation 3, PS4, Xbox 360 and Xbox One, where you’re stuck with your black bars. Since there’s plenty going on in that blocked off screen real estate, it’s hard to believe the bars aren’t there for performance reasons.
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Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2014, 12:33:42 PM
Yup, the master race strikes again. Poor console dirtpeople.

:jawalrus
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: bork on November 05, 2014, 12:46:52 PM
Well, I could check the game out again once it gets cheap or dumped in a Steam sale, but I don't think I care about it at this point.  Hope Mikami's next game is better.  I still need to play through Vanquish anyway.   :-[
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 05, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
Put it up for sale, got to chapter 7 and had enough
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: demi on November 10, 2014, 11:30:25 AM
Look at this delicately modeled vagina :noah

http://xboxclips.com/video.php?uid=2678033349854390&gamertag=Demifish&vid=cdca5973-a503-4b80-9cf0-0736e65d1445
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 10, 2014, 12:00:04 PM
$25 on Black Friday. :rock
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Positive Touch on November 10, 2014, 01:06:05 PM
where?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 10, 2014, 01:46:05 PM
where?

Target so far. I'm sure it will pop up on Amazon.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Positive Touch on November 10, 2014, 03:26:52 PM
target is fine. went up there thanksgiving night a year or two ago for halo 4 and was in and out in like 15 min
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 10, 2014, 03:30:16 PM
I don't need anything bad enough to go to a store on Thanksgiving or BF, but I'll gladly order online if available. C'mon Amazon.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on December 10, 2014, 11:13:41 PM
Animations mostly.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2015, 06:30:12 PM
Finally started playing this.

What in the fuck were they thinking with the camera so zoomed in? You can't see shit in this game.

bu bu bu bu ATMOSPHERE
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 01, 2015, 09:11:02 PM
Bump cos I'm late to the party. Theres also DLC out since this thread was last posted in, anyone play it?

Game is straight up mack material and probably one of the best games to come out last year (although I didnt play very much). It's just cool to play something with great art and horror rather than AssCrud Retread #24: Butt Booty Pir8s vs "Templars"
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 01, 2015, 09:15:02 PM
I really, really enjoyed it but haven't beaten it yet. While everyone seems to hate the stealth stuff I ate it up. Highlight of the game for me.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 01, 2015, 09:17:01 PM
The DLC or the main game?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 01, 2015, 09:54:04 PM
Main game.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: demi on September 01, 2015, 10:07:28 PM
Game was pretty anus tbh. Havent played the DLC, or did Akuma mode
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 01, 2015, 10:12:23 PM
Game seemed very divisive.

I liked it alot though so  :yeshrug

Still need to go back at some point for the DLC.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 03, 2015, 07:39:07 AM
Just beat the game on Survival difficulty. Superb. 9/10. Story ended up being totally sweet. Gonna jump straight in to Akuma mode :hyper
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 03, 2015, 10:57:49 PM
Akuma mode is no joke! The start of the game where you have no ammo is pretty ridiculous as the enemies startle so much easier.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 03, 2015, 11:34:04 PM
Made it to chapter 3 and I now have access to fighting chance dlc. Rest of mode is gonna be a cakewalk :tocry
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 04, 2015, 12:27:49 AM
I can't imagine playing Akuma, lmao.

Game is pretty janky but the core gameplay loop is immensely satisfying, as expected from Mikami.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 04, 2015, 02:27:17 AM
Eh I dont think calling it "janky" is fair but thats a pretty subjective word anyhow.

The combat and item distribution is very well tuned and balanced. In a way you dont see in filthy Western games. Iconoclast's comments are spot on about Akuma mode and how it makes you use EVERYTHING the game offers you. Also how the difficulty isnt just "enemies kill you in one hit". Theres more enemies in new locations, the AI is much more aggressive and enemies are twice as fast. Its a REAL CHALLENGE for REAL GAMERS. That being said I am using a guide to get all of the collectibles and keys, and save scumming so the green gel turns up in lockers  :(

Oh and disarming bombs is RIDICULOUS on this difficulty. The needle is super fast and the green zone is like 3 times smaller. I reloaded a save like 5 times to disarm one bomb  :'( Not sure how essential the trap parts are but yeah you need ALL the resources on Akuma mode

Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 04, 2015, 10:39:24 AM
Well I am playing the PS3 version which probably has a little more jank. :P

And yeah, Akuma mode shows how brilliant the gameplay systems have been designed.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: demi on September 04, 2015, 11:09:49 AM
I think you guys are giving this game too much credit.... RE4 shits on this game, even Shadows of the Damned
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 04, 2015, 11:46:48 AM
RE4 shits on pretty much anything. Didn't play SotD but TEW is pretty well balanced and the encounter design is world-class.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 05, 2015, 07:34:15 AM
You guys are right but Evil Within is still a solid game in its own right. Akuma mode is pretty darn enjoyable, every enemy encounter is edge of your seat shit. I'm on chapter 5 now so I think I'll be able to complete this mode.

Definitely going for full achievement completion on this one. Gonna pick up the season pass and play through the dlc packs once I'm done with Akuma
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 05, 2015, 11:19:51 AM
Thankfully taste won out and this game had the best debut ever for a new horror IP (it was the #3 NPD for its release month IIRC.)

:bow Mikami da gawd :lawd
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 05, 2015, 09:30:38 PM
What was wrong with the first game? Just curious to see what peoples critique was. I can't say anything too bad about the game asides from a boring protagonist and lacking supporting cast. It's a minor thing
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 05, 2015, 10:19:01 PM
My only complaint is the story robs the player of environmental context. RE4 was great because there was a clear progression and end goal. TEW on the other hand teleports the player around so much there's no sense of progression.

The gameplay systems are all a harmonious symphony of amazing though.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 05, 2015, 10:47:22 PM
I wish it did'nt run like shit on the PS4. Kind of the reason I haven't played through it.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 07, 2015, 06:00:01 AM
Up to chapter 7 on Akumu mode now. Apparently chapter 6 is the hardest one of the mode so hopefully rest of the game is relatively breezy. Collecting all the keys has already given my guy some sick upgrades, and the dlc shotgun has really helped out with it's higher base stopping power.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 08, 2015, 08:14:43 AM
I wish it did'nt run like shit on the PS4. Kind of the reason I haven't played through it.

Whats wrong with the PS4 version? I'm playing on 360 and cant notice any technical issues aside from texture pop-in, which I have learned to accept from gaming on 10 year old hardware.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 08, 2015, 11:53:28 AM
Playing the PS3 version and the only issue I have is some semi-frequent tearing if you're spinning the camera around a lot. Otherwise the game is running fine for me. The option to disable letterboxing and the option to turn down the grain are nice.

Also there's a DLC shotgun?

I've gotten a lot of keys but I keep feeling I'm missing some. Want to look at a guide but I also don't want to... #firstworldproblems
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 08, 2015, 11:51:27 PM
Yeah, my copy of the game was sealed and came with a token for "The Fighting Chance Pack". It includes a double barreled shotgun, some bonus green gel and a couple of exclusive crossbow blots, given to you at the start of chapter 3.

The bonus bolts (incendiary ans poison)  are very high powered, but both cost 5 parts to make. They're really useful in some situations:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Like easily setting Laura boss on fire
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Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Buy the season pass but don't get all the DLC brehs :goty2
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 09, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
Yeah apparently it was pre-order/LE exclusive in the US? Here in NZ all new/sealed copies look to have the DLC code, see the note on the cover art:

(http://www.freedvdcover.com/wp-content/uploads/getdvdcovers_the-evil-within-ps4.jpg)

Unfortunately it's not included in the season pass, nor is it available to purchase on XBL/PSN  :'(
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2015, 06:16:30 PM
That back cover art is channeling RE4 so hard. :lol

I wouldn't know, I got it digitally.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 09, 2015, 06:26:12 PM
Boo, they shouldve hooked you up with the dlc. Thats what you get for playing a Sony  :rash
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2015, 07:19:55 PM
Eh I don't need no babby training wheels  :itagaki
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 09, 2015, 07:30:08 PM
Yeah, the items do make Akumu mode easier  :tocry
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 10, 2015, 01:19:12 PM
Finished Chapter 7 last night and I'm already itching to beat it so I can start a Nightmare playthrough (don't know if I have enough testicular fortitude to handle Akuma mode, though. :P)

I feel so bad for Leslie. I just want Sebastian to give him a hug. :'(
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 12, 2015, 04:41:30 AM
Chapter 7 is awesome. Akuma starts off hard but gets easier as you upgrade your guy. I'm up to chapter ten now, making steady progress but haven't been having long gameplay sessions. Will hopefully knock out akuma on the next few days. Can't wait to mess around in ng+ and max out my dude!
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2015, 09:32:23 AM
Finished 8 and 9, that's some good ol' Silent Hill shit. :whew

Chapter 9 was pretty much a huge plot bomb. I don't know why people say they don't "get" the story or that it's not straightforward, cause it totally is. It's actually a pretty simple story.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Dude was doing fucked up brain experiments, got burned by yokels, killed his parents, teamed up with Dr. Dude from the hospital, and made The Matrix / Inception. The game takes place in that as he tries to manipulate Leslie (I assume to get a new body or something.)
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The DLC explains what Kidman was up to from what I hear and fills in some gaps about Sebastian's past. So yeah, I don't get the story complaints. It's not convoluted and the way it's set up allows for all these diverse horror environments that wouldn't really be possible otherwise.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 14, 2015, 07:42:03 PM
yeah, thats basically the story. A couple more gaps are filled in in the following chapters but chapter 9 is when it's all spelled out to you.

I'm up to Chapter 12 in Akumu now, Chapter 11 was pretty tough. I have the damage maxed out on my rifle and magnum now so I can one shot tough enemies and bosses are a joke. Should be a smooth trip to completion from here
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 15, 2015, 06:51:02 PM
Completed game on Akumu mode :win

Now time to farm the achievements on easy :tocry
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2015, 07:42:27 PM
Niiiiice dude. You gonna get the DLC?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 15, 2015, 08:51:20 PM
Yeah I reckon. The game is so sweet and I'm down for more levels, story, and gamerscore. The content was reviewed decently also, although so was BioShock Infinite and we all know what happened there :rash
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 20, 2015, 11:50:57 PM
Cleared out of all the Chapter specific cheevos, now I'm ready for my OP Brass Knuckles Speedrun. After that I'll play through all of the DLC. Going for 1710/1710 gamerscore for sure, I have the hard part (Akumu) out of the way.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 21, 2015, 12:07:25 AM
:rejoice
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 21, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
One of my favorite parts of this game is the pause screen which actually plays the game in slow-mo. It's amazing during bossfights when you go in to make more bolts or whatever and know you only have a little bit of time, and then you see the boss slowly running at you behind the menus.

Stuck in Chapter 10 for the moment, thought I beat the boss, but nope, Laura. Pretty sure I don't have enough ammo to beat her. :'(
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 22, 2015, 12:23:33 AM
You dont have to beat her, just get through all those flame traps. You need like 3 pistol rounds to shoot off the levers. Just learn how she moves and run away. You can also set her on fire using the dead bodies, just time the match. Buys you a bunch of time. The sequence initially seems very tough but is easy once you know what to do. If you die a dozen times maybe check a youtube.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on September 22, 2015, 12:42:43 AM
v_v

I just love bosses that you're not supposed to beat. Even though I beat her in like Chapter 5.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 22, 2015, 04:06:02 AM
Bear in mind you can kill her but its hard and you need a lot of ammo. In CH 5 you need to kill her to progress. There is an achievement for killing her but I got that in NG+ with a massive arsenal. Id recommend just running away.

The sequence is frustrating and basically trial and error learning the layout of all the traps, so don't worry if you die a bunch because it can't really be helped
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on September 26, 2015, 12:03:57 AM
Downloading the DLC now :win gonna be a sweeeeet Saturday night in :D
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on October 04, 2015, 09:35:58 PM
Well I've played through most of the DLC now, completed The Assignment and The Executioner and halfway through The Consequence.

The Juli Kidman expansions are fantastic, a lot of backstory is filled in and clarified, including (minor spoilers that you can probably guess if you've played the main game):

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Exactly what the purpose of the STEM system is, how/why Ruvik was created and named as such, and exactly how STEM works and creates the game world of Evil Within.
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The Kidman levels are also scary AF (much scarier than main game), and I've had some nightmares about them. Be warned!

The Executioner is a fun action spinoff. It seems to have had a mixed response from players, but I think it's been done well. Its a first-person brawler (kinda like Zeno Clash) where you play as Keeper, and open up a can of whoop-ass on those stupid zombies. The melee is simple (one attack button) but there are running attacks and a dodge button, and a good variety of weapons. Some of the boss fights are interesting and overall the combat is solid and satisfying. It's mostly pretty easy however there is a boss rush room of sorts in NG+ which is tough as nails, and I haven't been able to clear that one yet. The story additions are minor and kinda WTF. Still not a bad piece of content.

All of the content is loaded with unlockables and secret collectibles, and achievements add good replayability also. All up I'd say the content adds around 10-12 more hours of gameplay if you are going for full achievement completion. A great example of quality DLC and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. Bethesda could do well to re-release a GOTY edition.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on October 04, 2015, 09:45:59 PM
Oh and I did the speedrun in 3:55 iirc. An hour to spare! Having maxed out dude and brass knuckles helped a lot.

Only main game cheevo I have left is beat the game with no upgrades, which I'll do shortly. I know the game inside out now so will be able to blast through on Casual.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on October 04, 2015, 09:55:58 PM
Still on Chapter 10 on the second Laura. She chases me into a furnace room and it locks behind me and there's no way out. :goty2
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on October 05, 2015, 12:58:20 PM
You sure? Theres a bunch of switches to shoot in that sequence. Check out a YouTube if you're stuck?
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: toku on October 05, 2015, 03:58:14 PM
I can't wait to pick this up next steam sale and never finish it
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on October 05, 2015, 04:05:45 PM
You sure? Theres a bunch of switches to shoot in that sequence. Check out a YouTube if you're stuck?

I think I've come across four of those switches, two in hallways and two in rooms with a column in the middle.

I think I'm supposed to get to some elevator. Will check it out tonight.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on October 05, 2015, 09:52:19 PM
Yeah it's basically a chase sequence where you go through half a dozen rooms. Definitely watch a Youtube if you're stuck.

If you're talking about the small furnace room that quickly fills with fire, theres a brown valve switch on the roof you need to shoot. It can be hard to spot.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on October 05, 2015, 09:54:08 PM
Yeah it's basically a chase sequence where you go through half a dozen rooms. Definitely watch a Youtube if you're stuck.

If you're talking about the small furnace room that quickly fills with fire, theres a brown valve switch on the roof you need to shoot. It can be hard to spot.

Oh damn, really? Totally missed that.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: The Sceneman on October 09, 2015, 07:20:36 AM
You beat this game yet Tasty Meat?

(http://i.imgur.com/ebdZlUJ.gif)

Leslie is counting on you.
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2015, 11:27:36 AM
:brazilcry LESLIE!

WAIT FOR ME LESLIE! :brazilcry
Title: Re: The Evil Within: Shinji Mikami Returns to Save Survival-Horror
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2015, 02:53:38 AM
Got to Chapter 11.

Fuck Chapter 10.