THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: The Sceneman on October 10, 2013, 03:26:22 PM
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Now that NEXT GEN is here, and games journalism has reached a new apex of hyperbole, what games have been hyped to shit, only to be turds?
My nominees:
Bioshock Infinite - pretty pictures and nice audio design cant save a middling shooter with no balance or thought put into gameplay and progression. It's like the people designing the game actually put no thought into how the product actually functions as interactive entertainment.
Hyperbolic review excerpt:
Bioshock Infinite is a visionary piece of entertainment where the gameplay, characters, art style and story all come together to make what undoubtedly will be considered one of the best games of this generation.
The Walking Dead - a point and click adventure with pointing and clicking, no adventure or puzzles. Just walking around talking to assholes. The games goal to goad you into "caring" for the characters is offensively transparent.
Hyperbolic review excerpt:
From the very beginning, The Walking Dead sinks its teeth in and never lets you go. It's a journey in the truest sense of the word, replete with tragedy, heartache, tension, fear, and even brief moments of catharsis
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Uncharted 2 :aah
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Bioshock Infinite
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Uncharted 2 :aah
Did you even play it?
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Bioshock Infinite :neogaf
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Uncharted 2 :aah
Did you even play it?
:aah
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Grand Theft Auto 4
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Bioshock Infinite/Last of Us. Both for me. Both good games. Neither at the level they were reviewed at.
Demon's/Dark Soul's. Won't really get into this too much other than to say that I'm in the minority here but that's how I feel. Shitty controls and faux difficulty but that's my opinion.
Unhcharted 3. Has a metacritic of 92. God No.
Gears 3 and the franchise in general after the first one.
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Grand Theft Auto 4
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Unhcharted 3. Has a metacritic of 92. God No.
That is the epitome of overrated. Uncharted 2 was a legitimately good game, but 3 just felt uninspired, repetitive and flat out boring.
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Assassin's Creed - I've tried playing it three times and it's not a good game at all.
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Assassin's Creed - I've tried playing it three times and it's not a good game at all.
The original? The first one got its share of beatings in the press.
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Yep, the original game. It has a Metascore of 81 which is about 60 points too many.
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Unhcharted 3. Has a metacritic of 92. God No.
That is the epitome of overrated. Uncharted 2 was a legitimately good game, but 3 just felt uninspired, repetitive and flat out boring.
And nothing will ever top the IGN quote.
When I rant about why Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception is better than just about anything on the market -- about why I think it's my new favorite game of all time -- I don't talk about the firefights, the new ability to throw grenades back at enemies or collecting the game's 101 well-hidden treasures. I talk about the heart-wrenching section where Drake is by himself and completely lost. He's on his last legs, he's desperate, and I'm right there with him. I'm pushing him through the journey at hand and it's clear that it's a game, but as he stumbles, seeks shelter and loses hope, my heart breaks.
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Kickstarter
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And nothing will ever top the IGN quote.
When I rant about why Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception is better than just about anything on the market -- about why I think it's my new favorite game of all time -- I don't talk about the firefights, the new ability to throw grenades back at enemies or collecting the game's 101 well-hidden treasures. I talk about the heart-wrenching section where Drake is by himself and completely lost. He's on his last legs, he's desperate, and I'm right there with him. I'm pushing him through the journey at hand and it's clear that it's a game, but as he stumbles, seeks shelter and loses hope, my heart breaks.
That's good but all-time champion is still Greg Orlando's Majora's Mask review for Daily Radar:
To live life is to don a mask each and every day. Our true selves are seldom exposed to the world at large; to show everything to the people we must share our existences with would be to risk the ultimate rejection. We are what we think others want to see, and we live our lives doing this each and every day until it's impossible to tell where the mask ends and we begin. A mere decoration becomes a metaphor for humanity's hard time on planet Earth. We are the masks we wear.
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^ :anhuld
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And nothing will ever top the IGN quote.
When I rant about why Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception is better than just about anything on the market -- about why I think it's my new favorite game of all time -- I don't talk about the firefights, the new ability to throw grenades back at enemies or collecting the game's 101 well-hidden treasures. I talk about the heart-wrenching section where Drake is by himself and completely lost. He's on his last legs, he's desperate, and I'm right there with him. I'm pushing him through the journey at hand and it's clear that it's a game, but as he stumbles, seeks shelter and loses hope, my heart breaks.
That's good but all-time victory still belongs to Greg Orlando's Majora's Mask review for Daily Radar:
To live life is to don a mask each and every day. Our true selves are seldom exposed to the world at large; to show everything to the people we must share our existences with would be to risk the ultimate rejection. We are what we think others want to see, and we live our lives doing this each and every day until it's impossible to tell where the mask ends and we begin. A mere decoration becomes a metaphor for humanity's hard time on planet Earth. We are the masks we wear.
These are laudations bordering even on vociferous !
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Kickstarter
iOS
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Off the top of my head:
GTA4
Bioshock
Souls series
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Fuck publications, when it comes to gamers Dark Souls is easily the answer. Clunky, ugly as fuck trial and error shit. It doesn't look good, play good, or offer anything but repetitive challenge. Not even the production values are good. The only reason people like this shit is because of the influx of babby handholding games and dominance of western titles. Terrible game. Demon's Souls is shite too.
:trash
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Dark Souls is the dirtpoor HD gamer baby's Monster Hunter knockoff. :jawalrus
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Uncharted 2 :aah
Sorry brah, you have to actually play it to list it, that's the rule
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Uncharted 2 :aah
Sorry brah, you have to actually play it to list it, that's the rule
Awwwww maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannn.
Hmm, most overrated game I played this gen... Hmm, Okami Wii was pretty insufferable.
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Fuck publications, when it comes to gamers Dark Souls is easily the answer. Clunky, ugly as fuck trial and error shit. It doesn't look good, play good, or offer anything but repetitive challenge. Not even the production values are good. The only reason people like this shit is because of the influx of babby handholding games and dominance of western titles. Terrible game. Demon's Souls is shite too.
:trash
runner up is Bioshock; for having the worst enemy variety, boring puzzles, terrible swivelstick shooting and typefaces that make me want to rip my eyes out.
:hitler
Dark Souls is my favourite game of the generation.
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Metal Gear Solid 4.
Fuck.
Fuck publications, when it comes to gamers Dark Souls is easily the answer. Clunky, ugly as fuck trial and error shit. It doesn't look good, play good, or offer anything but repetitive challenge. Not even the production values are good. The only reason people like this shit is because of the influx of babby handholding games and dominance of western titles. Terrible game. Demon's Souls is shite too.
:trash
runner up is Bioshock; for having the worst enemy variety, boring puzzles, terrible swivelstick shooting and typefaces that make me want to rip my eyes out.
:hitler
Dark Souls is my favourite game of the generation.
Thanks for proving his point.
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Uncharted 2 :aah
Sorry brah, you have to actually play it to list it, that's the rule
Awwwww maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannn.
Hmm, most overrated game I played this gen... Hmm, Okami Wii was pretty insufferable.
What didn't you like about Okami?
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Metal Gear Solid 4.
Fuck.
Fuck publications, when it comes to gamers Dark Souls is easily the answer. Clunky, ugly as fuck trial and error shit. It doesn't look good, play good, or offer anything but repetitive challenge. Not even the production values are good. The only reason people like this shit is because of the influx of babby handholding games and dominance of western titles. Terrible game. Demon's Souls is shite too.
:trash
runner up is Bioshock; for having the worst enemy variety, boring puzzles, terrible swivelstick shooting and typefaces that make me want to rip my eyes out.
:hitler
Dark Souls is my favourite game of the generation.
Thanks for proving his point.
:tocry
I still don't get why I have this reputation on this board for having shitty taste in games. All of my favourite games have their fans here
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considering the absolute lack of nuance in vidya criticism everything is usually either overrated or underrated in extreme ways. Trying to suss out which act of collective oneupmanship was worst seems insurmountable.
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Uncharted 2 :aah
Sorry brah, you have to actually play it to list it, that's the rule
Awwwww maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannn.
Hmm, most overrated game I played this gen... Hmm, Okami Wii was pretty insufferable.
What didn't you like about Okami?
I forget, lol. Been like six years. I still have it. I dunno, I just couldn't get into it. I remember thinking the battle system was a little weird too.
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Brob, I am too assed to critique and this is the bore. There's no point in making a dissertation on these games.
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considering the absolute lack of nuance in vidya criticism everything is usually either overrated or underrated in extreme ways. Trying to suss out which act of collective oneupmanship was worst seems insurmountable.
95% of the games I played this gen I would say are underrated, but that could be my Nintendo persecution complex so it's hard to say for sure. :derp
Also I'm super choosy with my games and don't usually buy on launch unless I know I'll probably like it...
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Uncharted 2 :aah
Sorry brah, you have to actually play it to list it, that's the rule
Awwwww maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannn.
Hmm, most overrated game I played this gen... Hmm, Okami Wii was pretty insufferable.
Last gen games don't count either.
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Uncharted 2 :aah
Sorry brah, you have to actually play it to list it, that's the rule
Awwwww maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannn.
Hmm, most overrated game I played this gen... Hmm, Okami Wii was pretty insufferable.
Last gen games don't count either.
Well shucks. All my Wii U games (totalling a whopping three) are hella underrated, especially MH3U. :shaq2
I guess Mighty Switch Force HD would be overrated, being Wayforward and all. But it's OK, honestly.
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GTA IV and Bioshock Finite are easily the top 2 contenders. At least with MGS4 you knew it was going to be semi stinky going in.
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GTA IV and Bioshock Finite are easily the top 2 contenders. At least with MGS4 you knew it was going to be semi stinky going in.
This isn't fair. MGS4's first act had good gameplay.
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Brob, I am too assed to critique and this is the bore. There's no point in making a dissertation on these games.
Looking at the critical reception and general consumer reception of games like Uncharted 2 and Bioshock Infinite; they are both overrated as fuck because people can seemingly only express themselves in extreme binaries. I assume that's what people mean when they talk about games being overrated? There is plenty of critique to be found on these games, but they barely blip with regards to the collective consensus of quality.
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MGSIV Acts 1-3 are dope. It's been panned so hard by gamers due to the ending movement that I think people don't give it the dap it deserves. Metal Gear Online was fun as shit too.
(http://www.abload.de/img/mgs4em7uunyr.jpg)
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MGSIV Acts 1-3 are dope. It's been panned so hard by gamers due to the ending movement that I think people don't give it the dap it deserves. Metal Gear Online was fun as shit too.
Acts 1 and 2 are fine. 3-5 are dog shit.
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Brob, I am too assed to critique and this is the bore. There's no point in making a dissertation on these games.
Looking at the critical reception and general consumer reception of games like Uncharted 2 and Bioshock Infinite; they are both overrated as fuck because people can seemingly only express themselves in binaries.
Just an opinion but I think there is a difference between those two. Uncharted 2 is kind of a landmark game because its maybe the first really good/great synthesis of modern shooting/voice acting/and that auto platforming that is in vogue now. It took the cinematic and linear feel that people liked from COD 4, threw in a dash of Tomb Raider theme wise, and pushed it forward. It's an important game because of that however somebody feels necessarily about it individually. Yes, the original was obviously the first but it didn't all come together until the second one.
I would argue something like Bioshock Infinite wasn't groundbreaking in this way. It's a rehash of a game they made a number of years before with little to distinguish it relative to the review scores. In that sense it shares some of the same problems as Uncharted 3 (its way better than Uncharted 3 but you get my point).
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MGS4 started off as a totally awesome game that devolved into pure shit.
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"cinematic" (http://i.imgur.com/QQJUwUJ.png)
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"cinematic" (http://i.imgur.com/QQJUwUJ.png)
Nintendo whimsy. (http://i.imgur.com/QQJUwUJ.png)
Everybody likes different things.
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The Walking Dead
I only played the first episode but jesus christ fuck playing any more of that. I rather read a goddamn book.
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"cinematic" (http://i.imgur.com/QQJUwUJ.png)
Nintendo whimsy. (http://i.imgur.com/QQJUwUJ.png)
Everybody likes different things.
Fuck whimsy. Gimme arcade gameplay. :aah
Where the hell is next gen Crazy Taxi, you Sega pissers. :maf
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Just an opinion but I think there is a difference between those two. Uncharted 2 is kind of a landmark game because its maybe the first really good/great synthesis of modern shooting/voice acting/and that auto platforming that is in vogue now. It took the cinematic and linear feel that people liked from COD 4, threw in a dash of Tomb Raider theme wise, and pushed it forward. It's an important game because of that however somebody feels necessarily about it individually. Yes, the original was obviously the first but it didn't all come together until the second one.
I would argue something like Bioshock Infinite wasn't groundbreaking in this way. It's a rehash of a game they made a number of years before with little to distinguish it relative to the review scores. In that sense it shares some of the same problems as Uncharted 3 (its way better than Uncharted 3 but you get my point).
I was more talking about the way people seemingly has to throw down laudations that are stronger than those they threw down last time they liked something. Which leads to every positively received major title release getting hyped to high heaven as the best thing ever.
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Brob, I am too assed to critique and this is the bore. There's no point in making a dissertation on these games.
Looking at the critical reception and general consumer reception of games like Uncharted 2 and Bioshock Infinite; they are both overrated as fuck because people can seemingly only express themselves in extreme binaries. I assume that's what people mean when they talk about games being overrated? There is plenty of critique to be found on these games, but they barely blip with regards to the collective consensus of quality.
Bioshock is a bad game, period. Vapid goal-oriented corridor gameplay, terrible shooting, on rails structure. It is a moving picture strapped into first person mode with guns and magic power. It is lauded as one of the best games of this generation; it is dog shit. I haven't played Bioshock Infinite because of this reason.
GTAIV is a middling game. It has the occasional cool idea mixed in one-dimensional mission design, terrible mission variety, terrible mission mechanics (forcing you to replay an entire 40 minute mission from scratch if you die for instance, without one hint of a checkpoint), horrible robot controls in an action game that has below standard cover mechanics in a game that requires it. Awarded for its storytelling and take on American modern living while managing to express jack shit of originality or pertinence or even consistency within the framework of its own narrative as it jumps from hoop to hoop and goal to goal without an ounce of respect for the narrative term called "character development." Its popularity and reviews prove that games are propelled by hype more so than actual mechanical depth and tight gameplay.
Dark Souls is an above average game with awful controls, physics, the definition of jank. Mind numbly simple AI and combat mechanics, though it gives the player a ride with unique enemy formations and setups, which, are very easy once gotten past, the game reuses the same core enemies over and over, which makes the "challenge" repetitive and in many cases, boring. Archaic design that makes the game an exercise in trial and error that, once gotten past, is rarely challenging again as you wallow through its repetition. A semi-challenging game with bad design that is considered challenging by virtue of the fact that it's slightly harder than the competition, rather than giving the player an honest to goodness reason to change their strategy or approach. Dark Souls is "hard" in that you travel 5-10 minutes to retrieve your soul and that's about it. Compared to Ninja Gaiden 2, for instance, which forced me to constantly change strategies on the fly, or Dead Rising which forces management of resources, and I don't get the big deal. The fact it's been treated as a savior for gamers is the icing on the cake.
All overrated.
There. Are you happy?
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never. you can't make me. :maf
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Bioshock Infinite is a great game. Reject racism, receive underage girls, brehs.
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It's such a shame Deep Down is f2p because having the game create random scenarios single handedly fixes Dark Souls' main issue. Forcing the player to travel 10 minutes to refight the boss they died at is not hard to me. In some games like SMT there's reason to have tension in between save points and the boss room mostly because you don't know what the fuck you're going to fight, but in Dark Souls, the enemies between the boss and the save point are easy as shit, because you've already mastered fighting them. It's like Mega Man or some shit, which while fine for a platformer with three minute levels, is tedious as FUCK for an action game slash rpg. It gives little point to them beyond a means to grind souls. Why not just let me save time and start outside the boss room? The game wouldn't be any easier, but it'd sure as fuck be less archaic. With random encounters, there would be less reason to memorize areas like the game is fucking Mega Man. Each new death would be a new experience, and as such, give the game more tension.
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Review wise? GTA 4
'Nuff said
Player reaction wise? Dark Souls
I loved Demon's Souls. Thought it was one of the best this gen. Dark Souls is still a good game, but not as consistent nor as rewarding as Demon's Souls because of boneheaded design decisions and a cheap ass online implementation.
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Gears of Bore, god what a boring slow shitfest that game is.
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Dark Souls :lawd
I feel bad for people who didn't like it. There's obviously something broken with them that just can't be fixed.
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The only problem I had with MGSIV was too many cutscenes that were too long. The game itself was great.
Yep, that and the installs, took back my smoking habit thanks to them.
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The only problem I had with MGSIV was too many cutscenes that were too long. The game itself was great.
Yep, that and the installs, took back my smoking habit thanks to them.
I really want to get one of those portable ashtray canister things. It'll stop me littering my butts outside the office! Agent York in Deadly Premonition also uses one
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Dark Souls :lawd
I feel bad for people who didn't like it. There's obviously something broken with them that just can't be fixed.
I wish I had the ability to like shitty ugly janky games :tocry :(
Play MH. :mynicca
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I vastly prefer mh to souls games. :yeshrug
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xenoblade :heh
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Demon's/Dark Soul's. Won't really get into this too much other than to say that I'm in the minority here but that's how I feel. Shitty controls and faux difficulty
You are so gay dudes make you hard, but that's my opinion.
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Skyward Sword is pretty horribly overrated, I know it got some so-so reviews but it's a 6.0 / 10 at best :shh
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"cinematic" (http://i.imgur.com/QQJUwUJ.png)
Nintendo whimsy. (http://i.imgur.com/QQJUwUJ.png)
Everybody likes different things.
whimsy is just code for fun gameplay + fun personalities
cinematic is code for "i'm in the wrong industry"
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Dark Souls is the dirtpoor HD gamer baby's Monster Hunter knockoff. :jawalrus
No.
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Um. Andrex.
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Yeah I have no idea why anyone would be comparing Dark Souls to MH :what
Unless they are stupid. So if you'e making the comparison you need to ask yourself, "am I stupid?"
The answer of course is "yes" because you're making the comparison. You may be thinking "no", but that's just because you're stupid.
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That's not true at all. MH and Souls have similarities. It is like comparing Street Fighter to Final Fight. That said, Andrex's post/troll about Souls being an MH wannabe is :what
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Anything Uncharted and GTA IV.
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Um. Andrex.
It's Tasty Meat now, brah.
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I think SMTIV was kinda overrated too. Not really worth anyones time sadly.
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Gears of War
such shit
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"cinematic" (http://i.imgur.com/QQJUwUJ.png)
Nintendo whimsy. (http://i.imgur.com/QQJUwUJ.png)
Everybody likes different things.
whimsy is just code for fun gameplay + fun personalities
cinematic is code for "i'm in the wrong industry"
Whimsy Fun for me is code for I'm not 12 anymore and I won't buy your console systems anymore (and neither will the general public apparently) as long as you pretend it's still 1988.
But that's just me.
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The first gears is a very good game that I have fond memories of. It was very fresh at the time. Even the second one is quite fun although they had already exhausted all their ideas by that point.
They simply have shown an inability to take the next step whatever that is with that franchise.
God of War suffers from the same issue. You already know exactly what the next version of these games are gonna be like note for note.
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LA Noire actually felt pretty disappointing to me, since I expected so much from an experimental rockstar title. They go through all this effort with the face tech and making the city look really realistic but the story wasn't exactly spellbinding and the investigation gameplay was both too simple and repetitive.
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Gears of War, controls were extremely sluggish, character design and art style was hideous. Unreal Tournament was such a fun shooter that controlled like a dream, I expected more of the same from Epic.
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World of Goo. I was looking at the highest rated games on metacritic and that's the one that stands out to me. Probably a bunch of nintendo fans were ecstatic that a okay puzzle game released on wiiware in 2008.
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While this is a testament to how forgettable it is by it not being brought up in this thread, but a lot more hate needs to go to Kingdoms of Amalur. It tried to be everything that wound up being nothing, focus tested into the ground, and funded by taxpayer money, which was subsequently pissed away.
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We all forgot about that game I think.
I played the demo for the free Mass Effect unlockables, and finishing the 40 minute demo was really really tedious. Just the blandest fantasy shit ever.
Playing Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes showed me that you can have a very generic fantasy setting, and still have the game be endearing through good art and characterisation.
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While this is a testament to how forgettable it is by it not being brought up in this thread, but a lot more hate needs to go to Kingdoms of Amalur. It tried to be everything that wound up being nothing, focus tested into the ground, and funded by taxpayer money, which was subsequently pissed away.
I've been playing it on and off since I got it and holy Christ it's the epitome of "going through the motions". It's gigantic, too. There's some neat stuff in there, like the crafting and ability/attribute system, but it's sooooooo bland.
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The answer will always be GTA4. Runner up will always be *insert average Sony exclusive here*
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Assassins Creed 2 for me. I understand One had a lot of problems, but the groundwork was there for a good game. A Open world historic Hitman if you will, where the game has a specific mission to mission routine that you get into. Where it drops you into the missions and you're supposed to find a way through investigations how to kill the target. Each target is special with tons of way to go about it. They did'nt really build on the structure of the 1st one, instead it just became another open world game and I lost interests.
There's also MGS4 which is just a terrible disappointment. No game has disappointed me as most and I get kind of angry anytime someone praises it.
Mass Effect 1 is another highly rated game I don't get. I don't quite remember my original problems with the game, but I do know even without the technical issues on consoles, the game's combat is shit. It's wonky and simply not fun. It also had terrible level design, the level just looked and felt extremely bland. It's like they didn't even try to craft a place you'd want to see. Even the main hub world is boring and feels like a space mall more than anything. It dosen't help that side missions take place on copy and pasted "dungeons" that make Oblivion look like it has variety. The story could have been ok, but it quickly goes into generic ancient aliens crap. Sadly 1 is the best of the series.
Tales of Vesperia also. People act like its the best jrpg ever. Yeah it looks great, somehow better then all the rest of the Tales games this gen. But outside of Yuri, the cast sucks. The story is nothing great. The world is that now tired generic Tales medieval fantasy world complete with the same battle system from Abyss.
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World of Goo. I was looking at the highest rated games on metacritic and that's the one that stands out to me. Probably a bunch of nintendo fans were ecstatic that a okay puzzle game released on wiiware in 2008.
I'm pretty sure I finished that game, and until you mentioned it I had completely forgotten it existed. That's kind of the definition of middling.
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oblivion. the olive garden of gaming.
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probably heavy rain. or the last of us.
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I'm not a huge fan of Gears, but I've always kind of liked it's art style. It really fits the game. It's got a real macho heavy military metal vibe which is fine by me.
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Vanquish
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Vanquish
:goty2
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While this is a testament to how forgettable it is by it not being brought up in this thread, but a lot more hate needs to go to Kingdoms of Amalur. It tried to be everything that wound up being nothing, focus tested into the ground, and funded by taxpayer money, which was subsequently pissed away.
Couldn't agree more with this. They put so much money and effort [and star power :lol] and the end product was just so bland and paint-by-numbers. It was a generic MMO that had the MMO part stripped out. Who would even want something like that?
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probably PS3 exclusive. or PS3 exclusive.
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Grand Theft Auto 4 stands out the most to me. Pretty much anything from Rockstar, really. And definitely The Last Of Us.
On the other side of the pond, JoJos' Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle got a 40/40 from Famitsu. The game is a broken mess of a 2D fighter that runs at 30 FPS, has a shitty "story" mode, and locks out the "campaign" mode, forcing the player to download DLC to play it-- paid DLC, of course.
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It's a fairly negative question to pose, I'd prefer to talk about underrated games - but as we're on it:
I'd say GTA IV as well. I bought into PS3 with MGS4, and I was super disappointed with that, but the MGO component was actually pretty awesome once you could get on and while people were still playing it. GTA IV had even greater hype but I got pretty bored with it - the new game is better in every conceivable way.
Also, I like the Uncharted games, but if I'm truly honest - I don't really like them for their gameplay. It's the Indiana Jonesy setting, and the quality of production.
I don't understand the allure of Pokemon and haven't since Red/Blue, and I don't really get how people are still playing Animal Crossing either. I'm going to try and go back to the latter, but games like those are too demanding of time IMO.
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I don't understand the allure of Pokemon and haven't since Red/Blue, and I don't really get how people are still playing Animal Crossing either. I'm going to try and go back to the latter, but games like those are too demanding of time IMO.
I don't either (or most turned-based RPGs in general, for that matter, especially Japanese RPGs), but I don't feel that those titles are as overrated as the big "AAA" budget games are. I guess the new Pokemon is looking more like a game fitting of the 3DS platform, but some of the earlier games barely looked any different from the original Gameboy versions. At least they started animating the monsters. My biggest pet peeve with JPRGs are the games where battles have next to no animations. It's so damn lazy.
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but do you know how hard is to add animation to 600+ monster? it's the same reason there are only 70 new pokemon </nintendofanexcuses>
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I understand the Animal Crossing appeal if you're new to it. Some people throw around the idea that Nintendo makes the same games because the newest one will always be someone's first. I don't know about that, but I think it applies to Animal Crossing.
tbh, it's hard to think of (exclusive) games that aren't overrated by forum people. probably something like banjo nuts and bolts that people hate for what it isn't.
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It lives and dies by the quality of your weapons but they make it unnecessarily difficult to get a specific one. It's a loot game that doesn't want you to grind. I'm sympathetic to the notion, but if you're going to have random loot that can leave you with shit weapons for long periods of time it's just stupid.
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but do you know how hard is to add animation to 600+ monster? it's the same reason there are only 70 new pokemon </nintendofanexcuses>
:what
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Gta4
Diablo 3
Bioshock
Dark Souls
Halo
Killzone
Battlefield 3
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First one is my favourite, cept for Horde mode.
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The third gears in retrospect is very tepid. I legit can't remember anything I did in it or any exciting action sequence. It's like I never played it.
That's not the case for the first two for me.
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Anything popular I don't understand or like is overrated. :P
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Bioshock 1
I'm bored out of my fucking skull playing this thing
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Skyward sword was super shittty.
And I don't get how people liked binary domain.
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Your favorite game. Yes, that one.
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Your favorite game. Yes, that one.
:maf
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Your favorite game. Yes, that one.
:maf
I'm sorry, dog. I just wasn't feelin' it.
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just about every exclusive
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Binary Domain is boring as fack.
???
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CHANGE MY VOTE TO LAST OF US
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Smh demi.
Game is amazing.
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Game is awful, lmao. You are insane.
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What dont you like about it?
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GTA4
GTA5
Uncharted
MGS4
Super Mario Galaxy 2
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Uncharted is a legit garbage series, and I sincerely hope it never makes it to the PS4.
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Name one good thing about Uncharted.
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The tits
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Bioshock Infinite and TLoU are really the only contenders, honestly. Both were mediocre to decent games that just got drowned in hype and undeserved accolades, and largely by the same people (VIDEOGAME JOURNALISTS) for the same reasons (OUR HOBBY IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, OK???)
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anything that graduated from the naughty dog school of autotardery.
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But...but...Last of Us is a legit game you guys. :'(
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I'll make this the last time I mention it as I've gone on about these two titles more than enough for the year.
The thing that happened with both The Last of Us and Bioshock infinite is a strong media desire to reward campaign games where story matters versus games like Call of Duty where the story doesn't matter. The problem is they overly bent over backwards in both cases without really looking at any of the gameplay flaws of either title (and in some cases the story flaws)
Both good games at least for me. Glad I played both of them. I enjoyed both of them. Just not the wholly amazing greatest of all time experiences they were made out to be.
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Yep, it was the "oscar caliber story" of 2013.
Can't wait for this industry crash Oscar is always talking about because it means washing out a lot of game journalists.
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I'll make this the last time I mention it as I've gone on about these two titles more than enough for the year.
The thing that happened with both The Last of Us and Bioshock infinite is a strong media desire to reward campaign games where story matters versus games like Call of Duty where the story doesn't matter. The problem is they overly bent over backwards in both cases without really looking at any of the gameplay flaws of either title (and in some cases the story flaws)
Both good games at least for me. Glad I played both of them. I enjoyed both of them. Just not the wholly amazing greatest of all time experiences they were made out to be.
I also think that overreacting to the claims made by "the videogame media" by slamming the fuck out of them (the media and the games) is understandable and in a lot of cases warranted.
...then again, I'm always up for a good ol' fashioned flame job.
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Video game media is not only an echo-chamber, it is an amplifier. Hype is contagious, and hate is often zealous.
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Speaking of game media, I love how Sessler pretty much made the big three releases this year (BI, TLOU, GTA) out to be some great artistic achievements in human culture in his reviews.
Love the guy and his style, but buddy needs to chill on the hyperbole.
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games media people have to do their part in desperately clinging to this sinking industry too, y'know
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It couldn't just be that these are just really good games. No, that couldn't be it.
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"could'nt"?
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I'll make this the last time I mention it as I've gone on about these two titles more than enough for the year.
The thing that happened with both The Last of Us and Bioshock infinite is a strong media desire to reward campaign games where story matters versus games like Call of Duty where the story doesn't matter. The problem is they overly bent over backwards in both cases without really looking at any of the gameplay flaws of either title (and in some cases the story flaws)
Both good games at least for me. Glad I played both of them. I enjoyed both of them. Just not the wholly amazing greatest of all time experiences they were made out to be.
It's not just the games press. Walking Dead and Journey 'won' both games press and enthusiasts last year. These people value something in games I don't. That's fine. I do end up feeling out of touch when I play a game like Last of Us or Bioshock Infinite, enjoy them, but come out without strong feelings one way or the other. That's fine too. It's just, when I think about my favorite moments in games, it's never a cutscene.
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Nier. I fucking hate this game. No, changing to other terribly excited genres away from your boring combat does not make for good game. No, you are not subtle that Nier is actually a monster and it isn't intersting anyway. No, Kaine is just a bitch. It was a terrible game that people liked to wank too much about.
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Nier. I fucking hate this game. No, changing to other terribly excited genres away from your boring combat does not make for good game. No, you are not subtle that Nier is actually a monster and it isn't intersting anyway. No, Kaine is just a bitch. It was a terrible game that people liked to wank too much about.
for Nier to be overrated other people would have had to have actually played it
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Nier. I fucking hate this game. No, changing to other terribly excited genres away from your boring combat does not make for good game. No, you are not subtle that Nier is actually a monster and it isn't intersting anyway. No, Kaine is just a bitch. It was a terrible game that people liked to wank too much about.
for Nier to be overrated other people would have had to have actually played it
So true. Sadness :'(
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I guess, but the game seems highly loved and rated in the small jrpg community which is what I'm speaking to. I mean its not like this thread hasn't mentioned small games like SMT4 and even Dark Soulls which are nothing compared to Bioshock.
The only reason I bought the game was because it got a lot of hype and praise from that small group. So when I didn't like it I could only think it was overated.
Are you saying you can't call a Cult Hit overated? I think you can, it just has to be something that has a lot of praise by its audience, which Nier does. Those that haven't played it dont care or think its supposedly a good game because it has a postive legacy.
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LA Noire actually felt pretty disappointing to me, since I expected so much from an experimental rockstar title. They go through all this effort with the face tech and making the city look really realistic but the story wasn't exactly spellbinding and the investigation gameplay was both too simple and repetitive.
Oh, yeah, LA Noire. Definitely a disappointment. The only Rockstar-published game I've bought and not finished. I would pay a lot of money for a game which used that lovely world, and actually had some gameplay. As it was, Rockstar managed to take a point-and-click adventure a la Police Quest and turn it into a difficult to control mess through middleware which makes the character lean, and turns movement to be momentum based. Trying to find clues was such a chore in finding the sweet spot to actually interact with objects. Then the interrogation inconsistency destroys anything else which might have been fun about it.
No, thanks.
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LA Noire actually felt pretty disappointing to me, since I expected so much from an experimental rockstar title. They go through all this effort with the face tech and making the city look really realistic but the story wasn't exactly spellbinding and the investigation gameplay was both too simple and repetitive.
Oh, yeah, LA Noire. Definitely a disappointment. The only Rockstar-published game I've bought and not finished. I would pay a lot of money for a game which used that lovely world, and actually had some gameplay. As it was, Rockstar managed to take a point-and-click adventure a la Police Quest and turn it into a difficult to control mess through middleware which makes the character lean, and turns movement to be momentum based. Trying to find clues was such a chore in finding the sweet spot to actually interact with objects. Then the interrogation inconsistency destroys anything else which might have been fun about it.
No, thanks.
why does Rockstar always put Euphoria physics on their protagonists?!
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It truly can lead to impressive animations for NPCs; I get that, I like that, most of the time, but Nico and the other GTA IV-era protagonists are akin to piloting a boat. Everything is so swimmy. RDR's Marston is significantly better, but I suspect it is because they turned Euphoria influence down substantially. GTA V is reasonably comfortable, but I'll have to load up RDR to see if V's actually beaten it.
There are a number of games with very fluid protagonist animation, even those with progressively generated animations. Look at Tomb Raider; Lara's amazing, no two ways about it.
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I would have suffered through LA Noire if the interrogations were good. Game had so much potential I can't imagine how Rockstar let them publish it with how the interrogations worked.
Someone early on must have said it just doesn't work, unless they all lived in a bubble.
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I think they were in a bubble for a long time, and then it was too late to change things. Or maybe the gameplay which had been decided was actually worse and less consistent, but this was the least damaging alternative gameplay.
The big problem with the game was the sheer amount and type of data needed to construct the scenes in which the characters are acting. The full body and facial capture stuff must have been crazy, and once the data was there, it's immutable. There's no way to get the actor to read a line over the phone for a correction, or use the logitech mic on their computer, or even drop by a local recording studio to have them do pickups -- none of the standard Hail Mary plays work with the kind of data they needed to show a character doing their thing.
So they likely had all that performance data, and it was not going to change, but they had to figure out how to "fix" the gameplay around the writing. It's a bad situation to be in.
Seriously, the way they used the touted performances in those sequences, you can't even change the viewing angle, other than to look up and down. The whole thing might as well have been FMV, for all the good their problematic technology gave them.
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The "tells" where horrible. People's eyes would look around as if they were lying even when they were telling the truth etc.
It's one of those games where my gf watched along and she didn't get anything either in those sequences. Really a shame cause obviously a lot of work went into it.
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I read somewhere that the prompts had different names originally and were changed to make them more opaque.
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I read somewhere that the prompts had different names originally and were changed to make them more opaque.
Well, mission accomplished!
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Nier. I fucking hate this game. No, changing to other terribly excited genres away from your boring combat does not make for good game. No, you are not subtle that Nier is actually a monster and it isn't intersting anyway. No, Kaine is just a bitch. It was a terrible game that people liked to wank too much about.
It sounds to me like you can't see the forest for the trees.
The combat was serviceable IMO. I had no difficulty in controlling it or getting it to do what I wanted. The genre nods were cute, but that's about it. I enjoyed the crazy magic spam, it had a unique visual flair to it.
You're right about one of the main narrative pushes in the game being unsubtle, but it wasn't trying to be. The subtlety in the game is in it's bleakness. It only becomes apparent if pay attention when you complete the (sometimes rather fetchy) sidequests, pay attention to npc chatter, and consider the non-immediate ramifications of your actions within the context of the game world. That combined with the cyclical storytelling and a rather ballsy final ending that quite literally undoes your character's existence, left quite an impression on me, and THAT is why I hold it in such high regard.
I'm usually a mechanics oriented person, and while I enjoy a good yarn, and a setting plot might draw me in, mechanics, systems, sub-systems are what keep me coming back (or in some cases, keep me away). Nier managed to transcend that and turn something quirky but average into something very special.
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I wish I could find the article or whatever. It may have been an offhand remark on a podcast, too. I think "doubt" was supposed to be "accuse", for instance. Seemed to fit more when I was playing it, so I could see it being true.
There we go:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-15-l-a-forensic-brendan-mcnamara-on-l-a-noire-interview
Eurogamer: You captured actor performances using Coax, Force and Accuse dialogue options, but then changed the name of the options afterwards. Why?
Brendan McNamara: What we wanted at the start, it was more your strategy. As a detective, what strategy are you going to choose? Are you going to coax an answer out of them, or are you going to jump in there and try and force an answer out of them - or do you just suddenly accuse them of lying straight up?
We tested that round and round the organisation and people never really liked the words or got the words. But that was the way it was written. Then we switched to Truth, Doubt, Lie, because that was more straightforward for people. But it made Doubt weird.
Eurogamer: So that was switched after it had all been captured? So you couldn't go back and change the dialogue more fitting?
Brendan McNamara: No. Truth and Lie are pretty straightforward, right? But Doubt... what it changed it from was what your strategy was into what was the person's performance like? I don't think it made it bad, it just made Aaron appear slightly psycho on the Doubt button. That's my fault, not his. When people go, he turns into a maniac when you press Doubt, that's my fault, not his.
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I wish I could find the article or whatever. It may have been an offhand remark on a podcast, too. I think "doubt" was supposed to be "accuse", for instance. Seemed to fit more when I was playing it, so I could see it being true.
There we go:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-15-l-a-forensic-brendan-mcnamara-on-l-a-noire-interview
Eurogamer: You captured actor performances using Coax, Force and Accuse dialogue options, but then changed the name of the options afterwards. Why?
Brendan McNamara: What we wanted at the start, it was more your strategy. As a detective, what strategy are you going to choose? Are you going to coax an answer out of them, or are you going to jump in there and try and force an answer out of them - or do you just suddenly accuse them of lying straight up?
We tested that round and round the organisation and people never really liked the words or got the words. But that was the way it was written. Then we switched to Truth, Doubt, Lie, because that was more straightforward for people. But it made Doubt weird.
Eurogamer: So that was switched after it had all been captured? So you couldn't go back and change the dialogue more fitting?
Brendan McNamara: No. Truth and Lie are pretty straightforward, right? But Doubt... what it changed it from was what your strategy was into what was the person's performance like? I don't think it made it bad, it just made Aaron appear slightly psycho on the Doubt button. That's my fault, not his. When people go, he turns into a maniac when you press Doubt, that's my fault, not his.
Yeah, thanks for that. I've been wondering about that for ages.
It really does reek of a fundamental change, and there it is.
And, again, I don't think those were "poker tells" so much as just default facial loop animations running based on current progress, not what had just been said immediately prior, IIRC. So it was strange to have them appear so nervous or guilty or uncomfortable, only to have them suddenly gain confidence and say, "This interview is over!" -- Thanks, no, Dick Tracy -- I'm the one playing detective, so sit your ass back down.
Driving was similarly un-fun in that game. Every car was a clunker of an old boat, no acceleration, bouncy suspension... it was realistic, but just no damned fun to drive. I made my partner drive most of the time. Then when I had to drive for a mission, I couldn't stand it, and wasn't good at it.
Has McNamara been allowed to work on anything else since this?
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Oh yes, they've already been able to produce this
http://youtu.be/tzlVkkAl2bA
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There's his "Whore of the Orient" thing, but I don't know what stage that's at.
edit: Well look at that. Just goes to show how out of the loop I am. The setting is interesting at least.
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Uncharted