THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Himu on May 20, 2014, 03:18:00 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDRTghGZ7XU
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What is that? Projected screen stuff, like Hatsune Miku and Gorillaz use?
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now we just need some hologram 10 year old boys and we'll finally get some answers.
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maybe, but mj also stuck it in a plain, hefty white girl. that's a very black move :yeshrug
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Why don't they just dig up his body and marionette the skeleton up on stage. I'd pay to see that.
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Why don't they just dig up his body and marionette the skeleton up on stage. I'd pay to see that.
:dead
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What is that? Projected screen stuff, like Hatsune Miku and Gorillaz use?
MJ to sell Domino's in Japan.
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Why don't they just dig up his body and marionette the skeleton up on stage. I'd pay to see that.
Or a couple of movies called "Weekend at Neverland"
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Yay, more posthumus crap of songs he wouldn't have released if he was alive.
the album is actually pretty good. Love Never Felt So Good, Chicago, Loving You, A Place With No Name are definitely awesome. The others range from no worse than what's currently on the radio to good
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Corny shit.
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I like to believe that if MJ had lived he would have been on Get Lucky instead of Pharrell.
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Yay, more posthumus crap of songs he wouldn't have released if he was alive.
Are you joking? The song I've heard so far sounds like early solo Quincy Jones era MJ due to the production. It sounds very, very good. And it isn't like Invincible was good.
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I like to believe that if MJ had lived he would have been on Get Lucky instead of Pharrell.
Imagine MJ teaming up with Janelle.
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All the tracks on Justin Timberlake's first album were meant for Jackson but he wasn't interested and instead chose Invincible.
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Prince, Erykah Badu, Big Boi, Esperanza Spalding are all legends and have made tracks with Janelle. Your Janelle hate is illogical. Janelle and MJ would be like peas and carrots, especially since Janelle can vocalize similarly to a young MJ as seen in the track It's Code and her cover of I Want You Back.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cu6FOUW6s4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXxSOFcL8N8
And ya'll are crazy. Invincible is good
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These are good too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJS5PBgF8is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlQWrqMEl_E
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:neogaf @ MJ the gawd teaming up with Janelle Monae
That's like Hov doing a song with Wale.
Modern day Hov and Wale on a track together sounds physically painful.
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Yay, more posthumus crap of songs he wouldn't have released if he was alive.
Last time I was posthumus, it was only because I ran out of pita bread.
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I cannot get over that Janelle-Wale comparison. Shit has me straight furious. :maf
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:lol
Esch just out here being reckless
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FUCK YOU ESCHATON
Making me get emotions over my fave
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To be fair she does have a song with Prince on her new album.
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True, charity is one of the 144,000 pillars of Jehovah's Witness-dom.
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Why do I get that feeling Each is not an r&b fan or even remotely knowledgeable about r&b? "Dress it up as poppy but add instrumental flair"? :what Clearly not the words of an r&b fan or someone who listens to the genre.
Also notice how he only brings up popularity, as if anyone cares. Shows the vapidity of a Jay-Z fan. Michael Jackson was a Sega fan. You think he gives a fuck about that when he co-stars in Space Channel Five?
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:whoo
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The worst part was comparing MJ to camel.
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In any case, if Michael Jackson were alive, he likely wouldn't work with Janelle. Maybe he would? Who knows. But Janelle has worked with many black music legends, from Esperanza Spalding to Prince. So it's not that far fetched. With all fairness to Jackson, he was always one who valued marketing and advertising and hooking up with relevant stars to build his name (see: Britney Spears, Justin Timerblake, Usher, Michael Jordan). But since he's DEAD, and we're just talking about fun fan shit, we have no reason at all to consider real life math. Who cares? Janelle is the best live performer in modern mainstream music today; MJ is one a legendary live performer. Janelle can sing her butt off and has an insane vocal range; ditto to Michael Jackson.
Please spare me the logistics of Janelle's popularity when all I care about it seeing two talented musicians sing their asses off, you all about the money Hov stan.
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Esch, I'll have to black your eye one day. Don't take it personal.
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Michael Jackson did a collab with Jay-Z? Goddamn, there's no way he'd recover from that and his career didn't. Collabing with Jay-Z killed Michael Jackson's career because sucks that hard. That makes him a total slut and made me change my opinion on MJ change.
I don't think I can listen to another Michael Jackson the same ever again after this.
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:pacspit
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In any case, if Michael Jackson were alive, he likely wouldn't work with Janelle. Maybe he would? Who knows. But Janelle has worked with many black music legends, from Esperanza Spalding to Prince. So it's not that far fetched. With all fairness to Jackson, he was always one who valued marketing and advertising and hooking up with relevant stars to build his name (see: Britney Spears, Justin Timerblake, Usher, Michael Jordan). But since he's DEAD, and we're just talking about fun fan shit, we have no reason at all to consider real life math. Who cares? Janelle is the best live performer in modern mainstream music today; MJ is one a legendary live performer. Janelle can sing her butt off and has an insane vocal range; ditto to Michael Jackson.
Please spare me the logistics of Janelle's popularity when all I care about it seeing two talented musicians sing their asses off, you all about the money Hov stan.
:rofl at Janelle Monae being the best live performer in mainstream music, I don't even know what to say about that. There's no way she's seeing the theatrics of something like a Kanye West performance, so ima let you cook with that one.
I'm just saying, it's a pie in the sky collab in nature. And If I was all about the money i'd stan Dre instead. You just can't look at things you like realistically.
Let's see Kanye dance on David Letterman's desk. :pacspit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHIDV956yjI
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DIE
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ESCH YOURE OUT OF LINE
CALL OFF THE ATTACK AND REPORT BACK TO STLBORE HQ IMMEDIATELY
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Long before Jay Z MJ worked with Biggie. Ya'll are still homos for arguing about this shit anyways lolololol
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Jay Z hanging out with child molesters? Not surprising.
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Long before Jay Z MJ worked with Biggie. Ya'll are still homos for arguing about this shit anyways lolololol
Plus Biggie had the good grace to die before retroactively ruining his good music with over a decade of vapid garbage records and tabloid fame. :pacspit
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Stan a camel brehs :neogaf
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Holy shit Esch managed to sum up all my feelings about Janelle Monae in this thread. We should cuddle. :-*
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Really, Contra? Because his main argument is that Janelle isn't popular and you listen to very not so mainstream music for the most part.
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So I like the hip hop artist with the best discography and the greatest production of all time :yeshrug
:sabu :sabu :sabu
There are countless rappers with better discogs, such as Outkast, NWA, Dre, and Cube, and Rakim.
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Really, Contra? Because his main argument is that Janelle isn't popular and you listen to very not so mainstream music for the most part.
I don't think Janelle Monae is bad, dude. I'm just pointing out what I think she is, is all. And I don't listen to exclusively 'mainstream' music either.
So I like the hip hop artist with the best discography and the greatest production of all time :yeshrug
Whoa there, I like Jay too. I can give you production, maybe. But best discography? That's straight stanning.
3 Classics, a few great-good albums (Vol 1, 2, AG, The Dynasty) average albums with high heights (WTT, Vol 3) I'm comfortable saying it. He also has plenty of great one-off songs, unreleased material, and features.
Your Janelle critique would make sense to me if Neo soul hadn't been a thing in r&b since the 90s. That's a big part of why I can't take the whole Janelle is just black music criticism seriously amid a genre that cherishes its roots above any other. Janelle is following a line of tradition of Neo soul artists - such as Prince, Soul II Soul, Zhane', Tony Toni Tone, Erykah Badu, and Lauryn Hill - that has existed since the 80's.
I have no problem with people not liking Janelle because she's "too weird" because that's why I like her. But the whole Janelle isn't on that tier argument when most mainstream acts are terrible is ludicrous, and the idea that Janelle isn't original because she hijacks old black music hilarious - because again, that is a tradition going on in the genre as.far as Prince.
I feel like I'm arguing with a cac who just discovered TLC, Esch! You're better than this!
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I think Nas has a better discog too but didn't list him for that reason. I mentioned multiple rappers who have better discogs than jay and I can keep going: Slick Rick, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, KRS, A Tribe Called Quest, Blackstar, Blackalicious, People Under the Stairs, Easy E.
Jay Z is a top 50 rapper but nowhere encroaching on the top 10. Top 20, max.
I agree radio is the best it has been since at least the 90s. But that doesn't mean most mainstream acts aren't terrible. The change in radio has been driven by a select few. It still doesn't change the Taylor Swift's or ALL MY NICCAS ARE RICH AS FUCK.
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Blackalicious' NIA. :lawd
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Nas has four classics.
Illmatic, It Was Written, Lost Tapes, Stillmatic.
A few good-great albums.
Distant Relatives, Life is Good, God's Son, I Am.
A few meh-bad albums.
Hip Hop is Dead, Nastradamus, Streets Disciple (which I think is good but not getting into that).
Nas' track record shits on Jay's to the point where it's straight NASty. :jawalrus
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I meant I Am, sorry.
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FYI I rarely like throwbacking music of any kind, as Wrath would probably know I hated the new wave of American Thrash as well. I don't listen to any of those artists heavily, and probably like an album from them apiece.
You said that today's mainstream music is really good. Today's mainstream music is FULL of throwback music. In fact, with the funk craze, it is now officially in full swing. :what
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A couple years back, I used to like Nas more than Jay. I saw him as more of a 'legitimate artist' You know what? I read more, learned more, listened more, and I realized how many flaws he has as an artist. He writes incredible verses, but picks the worst beats and hooks and choruses and feature artists on what I assume is some cheap shit. He preaches on one track, then contradicts himself with sellout shit on another track on the same album. There's no ideological coherence. His production selection is terrible, and half the reason I like the genre is because of music. The truth is? He's not really different from Jay-Z from your typical rap fan "moral" perspective. He's jumped on trends, sold you violence, alcohol, clothes and strife, done collabs with pop stars etc. The only difference is that he tries to apologize for it by waving a pro-black flag, and his pop shit fails because he never mastered the knack of having fun on his shit. Then I seriously dug into Jay's career. Jay-Z seriously has the best production of any hip hop artist ever. Let's take an objective look at the people who make the music for his albums; DJ Premier, Kanye West, Just Blaze, Dr. Dre, Ski Beatz, Timbaland, Pharrell, Swizzy, Irv Gotti, yadda yadda.) Pretty much the best of every possible lane. And these people gave him some of the most memorable and incredible music in hip hop. I realized his versatility then. At his prime, he could rap over any and everything and make it great. He's not the best lyricist, but he has a special ability that no other hip hop artist has; he intuitively realizes how to get into the pockets of a record, let it breathe and work for HIM. He's always had the ability to be a fast, technical rapper as well. You only have to peep around the lesser known parts of his discography to realize that. But he chose not to, for the sake of making SONGS. Why do you think his shit is so memorable? Why do you think he's been around for 20 years? Not just because he has a knack for identifying the right music and knows the industry, but because he consistently approaches beats with the right attitude. And then he builds cohesive sounding albums on top of that. He's easily the most well-rounded emcee IMO, after 2pac. His only weakness is socially conscious shit.
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I agree with all of this, except that I still think of Nas is a legend. 2Pac filled his albums up with filler. He's still a legend.
When it comes to rap, you can't critique albums like you can any other genre. I can't think of a single perfect rap album outside of Illmatic. That's the type of concessions I make when it comes to rap. It's such a flawed genre with bullshit, that you have to step back and say,"okay, Nas contradicted himself, but that's okay, that's what rappers do. 2pac calls women bitches in one track and idolizes his mom in another track, but it's okay, comes with the genre."
I think the problem here is probably that you have a different standard and set of expectations when it comes to rap than me. Production is great, but most of Jay's albums are forgettable and he's only got two classics: Reasonable Doubt and Black Album. Everything else ranges from hilariously lame to solid. As an artist, I definitely think Nas had higher highs. It's really hard to call Jay-Z an artist here, since he's mostly a businessman, as you have expressed so in this thread (jumping on the most popular shit).
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There's a funk craze? Or are you just talking about Daft Punk selling a lot cause they're Daft Punk? And that was mostly Disco, too.
Started with Daft Punk, expanded with Pharrel (Happy), and stuff like Blurred Lines which as funk-isms. I expect to see it in full swing by 2015.
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He's back you guys and he's fully transformed into a white person.
http://youtu.be/jZTCtpZyulM?t=1m11s
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Vol 1 and 2 are solid. I didn't say they were bad. Blueprint is solid. I never "got" it.
As for Wrath and Daft Punk, Daft has never been as popular as they are now. Saying they're popular because they're Daft Punk is 100% incorrect. Their latest album was their first platinum album. It has finally put Daft Punk on another tier, at least in to America. Also, Get Lucky was funk, not trademark disco.
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Definitely influential. I like the beats, little else.
That was RE: Blueprint.
Dynasty is a great album.
TBH, Volume 2 and 3 have my most cherished Jay-Z moments. Some dude coming out of nowhere with Hard Knock Life, then Can I Get A..., I love those albums despite the fact I don't think they're particularly great.
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We'll have to see if Happy is influential as I think it'll be.
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I never said Jay was the first, but like I said; MJ only came on stage to show out with Jay in front of a hip hop audience so, you just have to deal with that.
Stan a camel brehs :neogaf
So I like the hip hop artist with the best discography and the greatest production of all time :yeshrug
Your punk ass stanned Eminem like an ICP listening white boy from Iowa until you signed up for the coli, realized nobody but cacs likes that shit and jumped on Nas's dick with ferociousness. To quote the man himself, your style switches like a faccot :sabu
:neogaf
Be a stan, brehs
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Kanye has a better discob. :jawalrus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5I5uXHj4j8
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Naw. 2 classics, 1 average album, one good album, one great album, one wack album
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Anyone who thinks Jay-Z has a better catalog than Ghostface is a stan, I'm sorry. I'd argue MF DOOM has a better catalog but I can understand why someone who choose Jay or someone else over DOOM.
I'd also put Kanye's catalog above Jay's, but that's not to say I think Kanye has one of the best.
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Ghostface has more albums that are legitimately great and is a better rapper on just about any level (story telling, metaphors, evocative lyrics, etc). There's a reason he's generally viewed as the most consistent rapper by many hip hop heads, if not most.
Iron Man, Supreme Clientele, OG Bulletproof Wallets, and Fishcale are better than any four album set you can come up with for Jay, Nas, etc. And I'll take his "solid to good" albums (Big Doe Rehab, Apollo Kids, 12 Reasons to Die) over Jay's albums of similar quality.
On Kanye, I'll take Kanye's catalog over most of Jay's albums outside of Reasonable Doubt.
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I did NOT spend my entire adolescence hating on Jay. I LOVED Jay in middle school.
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Nah. Mooose changed my mind on fishscale. That shit is wild overrated. It's a good album, not even a great one. Lots of bad weed carrier verses and ghostwritten lazy shit. I'm also gonna have to hit you with the :comeon at including Bulletproof Wallets OG in there as if that's legit, I might as well say the bootlegged versions of Vol. 3 are good albums. Stop it 5.
And ima disagree with you on Ghost's second tier albums. Most of the tracks on that shit are real forgettable.
Now if you were gonna look at it holistically and compare everything Jay spit to everything Ghost spit (which would bring up his work on OB4CL and Wu-Tang group cuts), I'd agree with you there.
This post is curiously absent of an argument for Jay having the best catalog.
I'll stand by Fishscale. Great production some surprising variety, content wise. It's not as drugged out as his first two albums (you can tell Ghost is high out his mind on Motherless Child for instance) but it's like a transition record between that stuff and his more mellow, less colorful recent stuf. The coke rap on it is also better than just about anything that has come out since then. I remember HHNF came out the same year and it sounded like a weaker remake of Fishscale or Cuban Linx.
Jay has Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint, and The Black Album. Reasonable Doubt...can't say anything bad about it, it speaks for itself as a great album. I think The Blueprint is overrated but still really good and it's production had an undeniable impact on mainstream rap. Black Album: dope. But none of them are better than Iron Man or Supreme Clientele. I'll obviously take RD over Fishscale, but Fishscale over the other two.
Vol 1...nah. I look at it as a worse version of Life After Death: meh r&b tracks, some classic tracks, but ultimately forgettable overall. Vol 2...featuring one of his worst tracks (the one with Mariah) and other bad tracks (Juve track, never liked the original Watcher) but it starts amazing with the intro, Dope Man, So Ghetto...
Are we counting The Dynasty? I remember that came out and dudes were like meh outside of a few tracks.
He hasn't done anything noteworthy since The Black Album.
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lol @ Esch trying to forget this track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivL5ABVeI9Q
my bad Vol 3, not 2.
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I love how you keep talking sales and success when we're talking about music here lol. BP3 is trash. MCHG is trash. Good luck defending them breh.
Vol 1 felt like Jay's reach for Biggie's crown but is basically a blueprint for bloated rap albums; Def Jam has been trying to make artists re-create it for over a decade now. Throw in some r&b tracks, Diddy shit, and whoosh. Lyrically Jay goes off on a few tracks, like he's truly going for the crown. But then there's stuff like I Know What Girls Like...
no comment on Vol 3? :hitler
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I love how you keep talking sales and success when we're talking about music here lol. BP3 is trash. MCHG is trash. Good luck defending them breh.
Vol 1 felt like Jay's reach for Biggie's crown but is basically a blueprint for bloated rap albums; Def Jam has been trying to make artists re-create it for over a decade now. Throw in some r&b tracks, Diddy shit, and whoosh. Lyrically Jay goes off on a few tracks, like he's truly going for the crown. But then there's stuff like I Know What Girls Like...
no comment on Vol 3? :hitler
BP3 and Magna Carta has hot singles :yeshrug and unlike you i like to go out and party once in a while. I don't mind doing it whilst listening to my favorite rapper :obama
Vol. 3 is his only mediocre album in his prime. It's interesting because on features and other songs, he's in crazy top shape, like arrogant crazy flow. But it just didn't make a good album. He knows it's not a good album either. It's on the bottom of his personal stack.
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tepid praise. You know what else has hot singles? Wale's last album :neogaf
BP3 is trash, admit it. MCHG is trash, admit it.
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American Gangster is aite. I think it's super overrated, it just doesn't sound authentic. And when I say "authentic" I don't mean "bububu Jay isn't busting his guns." It just doesn't sound like his heart is in it to me, and when I compare it to mafioso or coke rap of the time it doesn't really match up.
I'm going to listen to Street's Disciple this weekend brehs
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I'm surprised no one really sampled that part of Between The Sheets until Ignorant Shit. Unless I'm forgetting something.
I've heard some of SD, including a horrible track produced by Q-Tip. I just don't get it brehs. Who is in the studio with Nas, and who is telling him this shit is hot. It's just weird when you read about the creation of Illmatic, including Nas specifically picking samples and orchestrating various parts (like getting Pete Rock to do the chorus on The World Is Yours). Yet after that he pretty much took a backseat in the creative process for later albums. It Was Written is basically Steve Stoute getting the most expensive production team to craft a mainstream sound, and I Am is a mixture of his homies (LES) and major names like Timbo.
Stillmatic featured a focused Nas being very concerned about the direction of his work, and it shows. God's Son has a very sombre feel to me. But after that Nas' focus seems more on narrative concepts - everything else is secondary to him. Singles, production, features, none of it seems to matter on HHID/Untitled as he lurches from concept to concept. And it just sounds off. The frustrating thing is that there are some great tracks on both albums like Fried Chicken or Still Dreamin, both of which happen to have great beats.
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I'm going to listen to Street's Disciple this weekend brehs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MnG78n8QFw
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Interestingly SD has a higher metacritic score than Kingdom Come, BP3, and MCHG
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Sales aren't comparable to critical acclaim IMO. I just thought it was interesting. In fact, Nas' last few albums were well received whereas Jay's were universally panned.
(I don't care about most rap reviews)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDDbEJAEIg
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shout out to the camel jockey rustling jimmies so hard this made it to three pages
y'all :umad
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the #dualities brehs
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:stahp
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Esch gonna take that L when hired illegal immigrants fuck up his lawn as retribution for these #harshreality posts.
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(http://i.minus.com/jbpHbfod8JggsF.png) @ Diunx failing to address my sharp, poignant critique of his shameless stan-switching as well. Go listen to MMLP and cry about your mom, homo.
tbh I haven't even continue reading the thread, just wanted to post that clip of J.J. Evans crying :neogaf.
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(http://i.minus.com/jbpHbfod8JggsF.png) @ Diunx failing to address my sharp, poignant critique of his shameless stan-switching as well. Go listen to MMLP and cry about your mom, homo.
tbh I haven't even continue reading the thread, just wanted to post that clip of J.J. Evans crying :neogaf.
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My dog eats dog food but wont eat taco bell meat :goty2
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My dog eats dog food but wont eat taco bell meat :goty2
subservient beings often refuse the high quality food of their masters and end up being unfamiliar/disinterested in high cuisine. Hell, black people still don't fuck with rare steak.
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My dog eats dog food but wont eat taco bell meat :goty2
That's because dogs don't eat dog meat.
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