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Title: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: Eschaton on October 18, 2014, 10:26:09 PM
jesus christ
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Post by: team filler on October 18, 2014, 10:27:37 PM
one piece doe
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Post by: parallax on October 18, 2014, 10:30:01 PM
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zombies. zombies are worse
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2014, 10:30:21 PM
Cutthroat Island is a fun movie. :ufup
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Post by: nudemacusers on October 18, 2014, 10:32:20 PM
vampire fiction is great esp. the really gay stuff :lawd

louis and lestat :noah

marius and armand :whew
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 10:32:28 PM
Had to go with vampires, for longevity. Pirates come and go, but vampire fiction has been steadily terrible for over a hundred years.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
I dunno, weird westerns are pretty coo
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Post by: nudemacusers on October 18, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
i think we can all agree civil war fiction is legit bottom tier.

unless it's homoerotic.
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Post by: parallax on October 18, 2014, 10:36:48 PM
i think we can all agree civil war fiction is legit bottom tier.

theres civil war fiction? i can only imagine what thats about....
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 10:36:51 PM
Unless there's ghosts
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Post by: StealthFan on October 18, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
Captain Blood.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 10:38:44 PM
Westerns apart from stuff like blood meridian are fairly trash, always gotta cram some harlequin romance horseshit in there

Just keep it to rednecks shooting each other, motherfuckers
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Post by: nudemacusers on October 18, 2014, 10:39:21 PM
oh wait i'm mistaken.

that would be christian supernatural young adult fiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Door_in_the_Dragon's_Throat

:ufup

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i had to read this as a child :brazilcry
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Post by: parallax on October 18, 2014, 10:43:26 PM
i think we can all agree civil war fiction is legit bottom tier.

theres civil war fiction? i can only imagine what thats about....

Oh man. Public libraries in the 90s were ~stock~ full of the shit. I used to see it everywhere since it was stored right next to the fantasies and westerns. Just appalling. There's something about the civil war specifically that incites blowhardy writing, kind of like World War 2. Except WW2 was really cool, so it gets a pass.

im sure you didnt read them, so i can only imagine they were either stories focusing on characters of the time, or what if propoganda like pieces
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 10:45:28 PM
My brother used to be a civil war reenactor

You wanna talk about some lame shit  :heh

They had referees who would walk the (public) reenactment wearing neon orange vests and tapping people to play dead because they couldn't get their choreography shit together :sabu

Shit was crazy expensive, too, he spent like over a grand on costumes and equipment :snoop
Title: Re: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: parallax on October 18, 2014, 10:50:08 PM
zombie fiction is played out but i just can't quit it. it's so bad and predictable but i can't break free from zombie shit.

my major issue is that it all plays out the same. as stupid as this sounds, i want a more realistic zombie apocalypse scenario. and so far, only world war z has done that. magical zombies that are still somehow walking years in any place just makes me stop caring.

im sure you didnt read them, so i can only imagine they were either stories focusing on characters of the time, or what if propoganda like pieces

I did read some of them in fact, my mother whined about me always reading only scifi and fantasy so i naturally saw a lot of these books.

Honestly a lot of them are

1) wartime romances
2) gothic horror tainted ghost stories like someone mentioned
3) historical figure suckoff pieces

number 2 has potential.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 10:52:16 PM
You guys should get on the Google Play Books groove, I've been reading some western autobiographies from the mid-1800s, motherfuckers lying all over themselves

John Wesley Hardin bububuing and making shit up to excuse himself from being a straight-up murdering socio :heh
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Post by: toku on October 18, 2014, 10:56:01 PM
Clancy-esque shit is so boring man. Global nuclear threats and you just want to pass out reading it.

Give me romantic cowboys over that shit any day
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 10:56:32 PM
I legitimately love pulp horror, no pretense of making sense and getting away with crazy gore because no mainstream literary outlets paid them any attention
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
oh wait i'm mistaken.

that would be christian supernatural young adult fiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Door_in_the_Dragon's_Throat

:ufup

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i had to read this as a child :brazilcry
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I read those books. :goty
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2014, 10:59:42 PM
Hollywood prequels of [insert anything]
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Post by: toku on October 18, 2014, 11:01:20 PM
topic is making me realize ive read some terrible pulp fiction in my life. especially all those arthur ripoffs :(

I think there's something about that story that appeals to young men intrinsically, the idea that you can :ohhh do one thing, pull a sword from a stone ~ and have your destiny changed forever.

I think everyone, not just boys, want to believe that their whole world can be changed for the better in a single day.
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Post by: StealthFan on October 18, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
Crime novels, dawg. Unless it's older Ellroy. I bought Salem's Lot, The Gunslinger, White Jazz and The Alienest today at the dollar book store :lawd
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 11:07:18 PM
Modern Noir

It's all Chandler/Spillane/Hammett/Thompson/MacDonald fanfic
Title: Re: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: thisismyusername on October 18, 2014, 11:10:13 PM
Christian Fiction, easily. At least with Pirates, I can maybe have fun reading it.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 11:12:15 PM
Fantasy in general makes me :beli

People keep suggesting stuff for me to read, but it all comes off like renfair underarm onions and feet-smelling bullshit whenever I try.

Here's some fucking elves and dwarves doing the same shit over and over

dragons or whatever
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Post by: StealthFan on October 18, 2014, 11:15:02 PM
Yeah fantasy is whack shit. I can fuck with Conan comics and some Solomon Kane but ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Post by: thisismyusername on October 18, 2014, 11:18:24 PM
Really? You guys can't get into Fantasy/Sci-fi?  :-\ #icant with you people.  :'(

I know so much of it's bad but since so many writers are neckbeards there's enough for anyone to enjoy. I've got Malazan and Glen Cook's Black Company on tap right now. My only gripe with the genre is the same with RPG's, since only white people make them it's increasingly stale as far as world building and mythos :(

Isn't there non-white Sci-fi authors? I'm trying to scan my memory but I can't recall.

I think we all forgot the horrors that are Young Adult fiction  :kobeyuck

YA fiction isn't that bad. That is, if you avoid stuff like Divergent and The Fault in Our Stars/sappy stuff. But you also gotta remember it's kinda meant for pre-teen/teens than "adult."

(But I'm the type of person that scoffs at the "OMG WHY ARE ADULTS READING YA NOVELS" people)
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 11:20:05 PM
Yeah but in skyrim I can fuck up the dragons personally without having to read about the faggoty exploits of gagahadriele and lilliethe or whoever
Title: Re: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: StealthFan on October 18, 2014, 11:20:43 PM
That face when you remember Black Company and how you barely read it, and was just at a book store :tocry

That face when there is an audiobook torrent and a PSP at your fingers :lawd
Title: Re: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: StealthFan on October 18, 2014, 11:21:54 PM
Chine Mievelle does decent sci-fi. Just avoid trash like Snow Crash, which aspies fucking adore.

The Man In The High Castle and The Forever War are required reading.
Title: Re: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 11:23:05 PM
Pulp Science Fiction is cool, Flash Gordon type shit with no basis in reality.  Can't hang with hard scifi, too much senior thesis and not enough dudes killing each other with lasers
Title: Re: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 18, 2014, 11:24:44 PM
I'm willing to try anything, but I am also willing to hate it
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Post by: StealthFan on October 18, 2014, 11:26:16 PM
Reading Dune, The Forever War and The Man In The High Castle in college is one of the few good memories from that dark period in my life :mjcry:
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 18, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
Whats wrong with Snow Crash? It's very funny and clearly a joke on cyberpunk fiction while also being an enjoyable story.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 18, 2014, 11:59:51 PM
There's some fantasy made from a non-western/ 'white' pov but it's limited.
apparently Bridge of Birds is great chinese inspired but i havent gotten to that yet.

Bridge of Birds is the best fantasy novel I've ever read, period

READ IT
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 19, 2014, 12:23:27 AM
Maybe i should take a :trash on jane austen, just to resurrect mandark.
#firstworldlandedgentryproblems def deserves to be on the list

zombie shit is so trite @ this point, shit gets an immediate:

:nsfw
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reaction out of me

Glen Cook's Black Company
my ninja :noah
Title: Re: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2014, 12:56:22 AM
On Stranger Tides, tho.
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Post by: Yulwei on October 19, 2014, 01:08:13 AM
jesus christ

Don't think I've ever read a pirate novel, but I'm going to go ahead and guess zombies and urban fantasy are worse anyhow.
Title: Re: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: Yeti on October 19, 2014, 01:08:42 AM
Pirate fiction is a thing? What are some popular pirate fiction books that I could look into?
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Post by: toku on October 19, 2014, 01:21:10 AM
I love high fantasy but I love low fantasy shit like Solomon Kane and Conan because of how brutal their worlds are. Everytime magic is used loads of people die and lives ruined. Magic is inherently evil in those worlds.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2014, 01:40:37 AM
You hit the nail on the head breh. Magic should have consequences, because when it doesn't it's so easy to ruin the entire world of the novel/series/whatever. That's why I've been so slow to pick up The Way of Kings; Sanderson is quite a magic abuser imo.

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Post by: El Babua on October 19, 2014, 01:58:56 AM
For NaNo, I'm gonna write a Christian Vampire fic with a rapey main love interest/vampiric angel named Dennis. :rejoice
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Post by: toku on October 19, 2014, 02:18:07 AM
Tbh I blame it on video games. The more popular they got the more salient power level shit became. If you read old shit like elric, fafhrd or even in myths magic is treated mysteriously, with mysterious rules with the exception of the quintessential 'magic item with an unforgiving ToS'.

This is why some of the best fantasy fluff was done in the 80s and 90s. Back then you could get away with some shit like "sentient zombie machines from the sun" and as long as they looked cool in the card/book art no one would even bat an eye.
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Post by: toku on October 19, 2014, 02:20:31 AM
Yes people are awful and ruin everything.
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Post by: Supermanisdead on October 19, 2014, 02:25:06 AM
read genre fiction like unwashed proles
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Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2014, 03:04:28 AM
I'm willing to try anything, but I am also willing to hate it
asl?
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Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2014, 03:08:23 AM
I read all those Frank Peretti novels with the Christian Indiana Jones dude and his two kids. Some of them could have been legit cool if everything didn't come back to the Christian god at every opportunity. There was one where they were being stalked in underground ruins by this 10 foot tall stealthy killer descended from Goliath's race. Shit like that had potential.
actually to be totally fair i agree. some of the writing was legit creepy (in terms of shit aimed at teens), but invariably there would be a turn to jesus moment that killed the tension. not that i'm a jesus hater or some shit, it was just brute forced into the story and preachy in weird parts.
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Post by: StealthFan on October 19, 2014, 09:29:27 AM
I can't fuck with The Gunslinger. The Dark Tower is infamous for shitting the bed in the end and I ain't got time for a multi-book series that disappoints.

I'm gonna re-read Salem's Lot. Read this in middle school, 14 years ago :rejoice
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2014, 09:35:52 AM
I can't fuck with The Gunslinger. The Dark Tower is infamous for shitting the bed in the end and I ain't got time for a multi-book series that disappoints.

I'm gonna re-read Salem's Lot. Read this in middle school, 14 years ago :rejoice

14 years and 200 pounds ago.
:heh

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join #DSF or else nicca  :ufup
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Post by: StealthFan on October 19, 2014, 09:36:43 AM
There is fun vampire pulp. I read this shit Darkness On The Ice, about a nazi SS officer sent to the Artic where the sun is down for months. He starts bodying his comrades while on a mission. Shits hilarious. One of them notices he has no breath. Another swims through ice water to hide on a small iceberg. They're dying from hypothermia and he just walks through the water because LOLMYHEARTISALREADYCOLDNICCA.

Also I heard The Wolf's Hour is tight. McCann's shit like Boy's Life and Swan Song come highly rated.
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Post by: StealthFan on October 19, 2014, 09:37:26 AM
I ain't joining shit nicca. I'll just leave. I don't come here for insults I can recieve irl.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2014, 10:03:45 AM
I ain't joining shit nicca. I'll just leave. I don't come here for insults I can recieve irl.
Come on breh
:tocry

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Post by: StealthFan on October 19, 2014, 10:09:47 AM
you got a pamphlet or something
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2014, 10:17:52 AM
Nah just a firm handshake and a wink. I knew you would come through.
:rejoice

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Post by: Supermanisdead on October 19, 2014, 10:59:22 AM
read genre fiction like unwashed proles

This guy really trying to pull this with a comic book avatar. Kneegrow please :dead

Subversive feminist sado-masochism :noah
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Post by: Kara on October 19, 2014, 11:24:42 AM
Comedic Warhammer 40K books. (Ciaphas Cain)

(I'd just say "Warhammer 40K books" but I don't really think that's a subgenre? Not that pirate fiction is really a subgenre but a genre...)
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Post by: StealthFan on October 19, 2014, 11:57:39 AM
Niccas sleep on King. His recent output is flabby but dude wrote some stone-cold classics. People just hate because he's popular, he leans on pop culture at times and he has trouble sticking the landing.
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 19, 2014, 12:17:37 PM
i'm reading a Melville story that has pirates in it and it is p. cool
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Post by: StealthFan on October 19, 2014, 12:22:05 PM
i'm reading a Melville story that has pirates in it and it is p. cool

the scar?
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Post by: toku on October 19, 2014, 02:53:30 PM
Niccas sleep on King. His recent output is flabby but dude wrote some stone-cold classics. People just hate because he's popular, he leans on pop culture at times and he has trouble sticking the landing.

I know you said you not interested but the first four Dark Tower books are great. I love Gunslinger and Wizard & Glass especially. It's just the last 3 that suck and even then it's more like, the last 2.5 since a good amount of the fifth book is still quality.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 19, 2014, 03:43:15 PM
zombie fiction remains straight up cac kulturkampf beatoff materials
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Post by: Kara on October 19, 2014, 04:08:32 PM
cac kulturkampf beatoff materials

:dead
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Post by: thisismyusername on October 19, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Nah, with YA I know it's not for me but I still can judge it on merit.

When you're writing for pre-teens who don't how to spell most words and rely on quick fixes like "U" and "R" to get a conversation going I'm pretty comfortable in throwing your entire genre in the bushes :yeshrug

Oh, I'm not calling you out on that. I understand the opinion. It's the hostility toward people that read YA fiction either for their library career or fun that makes me :wtf

Some people like the YA genre. Nothing wrong with that. :yeshrug There is a few quality novels there.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2014, 12:13:30 AM
Nothing wrong with good YA. Katherine Paterson has some good novels.

The Great Gilly Hopkins
:lawd
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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 20, 2014, 02:34:32 AM
i'm reading a Melville story that has pirates in it and it is p. cool

the scar?

Melville not mieville you doof. Benito Cereno
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Post by: chronovore on October 20, 2014, 07:09:36 AM
Westerns apart from stuff like blood meridian are fairly trash, always gotta cram some harlequin romance horseshit in there

Just keep it to rednecks shooting each other, motherfuckers
Crime novels, dawg. Unless it's older Ellroy. I bought Salem's Lot, The Gunslinger, White Jazz and The Alienest today at the dollar book store :lawd
I never had much patience for crime fiction/pulp detective novels, but given the general rate of their creation...

Elmore Leonard writes great crime books, and has a number of very good westerns as well. Not much romance (usually none), and a lot of humor and good dialog. Leonard’s western works were mainly to make ends meet, but some of them were so good that they’ve been adapted into movies, some more than once.
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Post by: chronovore on October 20, 2014, 07:24:12 AM
That Goodreads.com list only has 11 books on it. Not like 18 pages of results for gawddamned vampire fiction, and all these women detectives and their powerful vamp boyfriends. Jesus, what a load of Harlequin-esque bullshit.

And on that list is Tim Powers’ On Stranger Tides, which you chumps should read before fanning yourselves about how pirate fiction is always so crappy. Get on it, sons.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 20, 2014, 07:42:06 AM
Elmore Leonard has been around since the classic era I was referring to, wasn't counting him. I wasn't very clear, though. I'm mainly talking about modern stuff like you'd only find as ebooks in the Kindle store. Also, of course I am generalizing, and actually love stuff like Salem's Lot. Generalized complaints are an old Bore tradition :lol
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 20, 2014, 02:55:30 PM
i'm reading a Melville story that has pirates in it and it is p. cool

the scar?

Melville not mieville you doof. Benito Cereno

what a wonderful phrase
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2014, 04:16:37 PM
That Goodreads.com list only has 11 books on it. Not like 18 pages of results for gawddamned vampire fiction, and all these women detectives and their powerful vamp boyfriends. Jesus, what a load of Harlequin-esque bullshit.

And on that list is Tim Powers’ On Stranger Tides, which you chumps should read before fanning yourselves about how pirate fiction is always so crappy. Get on it, sons.

leper anyone who hasn't read some Tim Powers.
:pacspit

Speaking of which has anyone read Declare? I heard it's really good.
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Post by: Kara on October 20, 2014, 04:55:25 PM
idk who Tim Powers is but I went to his Wikipedia page and there was a picture of people LARP sword fighting.

Think I'm good never touching anything he ever wrote.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2014, 06:14:00 PM
idk who Tim Powers is but I went to his Wikipedia page and there was a picture of people LARP sword fighting.

Think I'm good never touching anything he ever wrote.

Based on a picture of some fake sword fighting, you just gonna ignore
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The Anubis Gates (1983)
    Philip K. Dick Award winner, 1983;[5] Locus Fantasy Award nominee, 1984;[6] BSFA nominee, 1985 [7]
    A time travel story set mostly in 1810, featuring a brainwashed Lord Byron, magic, Egyptian gods and a werewolf.


Kara pls :comeon
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Post by: Kara on October 20, 2014, 07:59:28 PM
:dead holy shit
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Post by: Steve Contra on October 20, 2014, 08:03:12 PM
Tim Powers is ok, but he desperately needs an editor for most of his stuff.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Tim Powers is ok, but he desperately needs an editor for most of his stuff.

So he has something in common with George RR Martin then

:jawalrus
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Post by: El Babua on October 21, 2014, 01:06:21 AM
Hey bro, trust me, all that stuff you found boring in AFFC and ADWD will pay off in a decade or two.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 21, 2014, 01:09:12 AM
I fuxed w/ the Iron Islands chapters in AFFC [spoiler, whatever, fuck you] :yeshrug

shit was slow but that's my fondest memory from Feast
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Post by: El Babua on October 21, 2014, 01:14:52 AM
I fuxed w/ the Iron Islands chapters in AFFC [spoiler, whatever, fuck you] :yeshrug

shit was slow but that's my fondest memory from Feast

Honestly thought only the Mereen chapters were overbearing to the point where I wanted to toss the book to the bushes. Still, various treks taken by characters could have been cut by a lot.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2014, 10:45:07 AM
I don't defend Meereen, although it's better on the second reading. I get the point of it but I think Martin settled on the wrong solution to the Knot issue. Originally her first ADWD chapter was the wedding, and Quentyn would crash it before getting rejected. Second chapter was Daznak's Pit which I'm pretty sure everyone agrees is an amazing chapter.

I'll always defend ADWD. The main complaint revolves around Dany (and Tyrion). I liked Tyrion's chapters. Most people liked the northern chapters, they were pretty damn awesome and set up the two most interesting arcs for TWOW in my opinion (the ice battle and the journey to Skagos).

"The north remembers, and the mummer's farce is almost done. My son is home.”
:lawd :whew

Title: Re: is there any subgenre of fiction worse than pirate fiction?
Post by: chronovore on October 22, 2014, 12:24:07 PM
GRRM bullshit thread is :THATAWAY
 :ufup

This thread is about complaining or defending pirate fiction.

Arrrrrr...