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Court limits use of race in school admissions
« on: June 28, 2007, 11:17:04 AM »
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WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected school diversity plans that take account of students’ race in two major public school districts.

The decision in cases affecting schools in Louisville, Ky., and Seattle could imperil similar plans in hundreds of districts nationwide, and it leaves public school systems with a limited arsenal to maintain racial diversity.

The court split, 5-4, with Chief Justice John Roberts announcing the court’s judgment. Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a dissent that was joined by the court’s other three liberals.

Anyone recall what the propsal from Seattle and Louisville was? I mean if it 'went to far' I wonder what it entailed.
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2007, 11:27:35 AM »
There are probably better ways of making sure public schools get sorted into de facto racial or class categories, like mixed zoning, but those might be even more unpopular with white, suburban parents.

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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2007, 11:28:09 AM »
But but but, how will minorities get a chance. Everyone knows that giving minorities an extra hand is the only fair way to get them into college.


Seriously it should be illegal for an application to even ask what race you are. I have a dream that one day people in our nation will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2007, 11:32:15 AM »
But but but, how will minorities get a chance. Everyone knows that giving minorities an extra hand is the only fair way to get them into college.


Seriously it should be illegal for an application to even ask what race you are. I have a dream that one day people in our nation will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character ... unless that skin color happens to be sandy brown and of middle eastern descent.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2007, 11:33:14 AM »
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Since when does religion = skin color?

And I do not make assumptions of individuals I'm just generalizing the whole religion. Which many people here do with Christianity. It's only fair.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2007, 11:35:34 AM »
ARABS = MUSLIMS = TRRRSTS

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2007, 11:36:08 AM »
ARABS = MUSLIMS = TRRRSTS

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idk, that looks like he's jewin' him  :-*
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2007, 11:36:36 AM »
But but but, how will minorities get a chance. Everyone knows that giving minorities an extra hand is the only fair way to get them into college.


Seriously it should be illegal for an application to even ask what race you are. I have a dream that one day people in our nation will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

yes, because one's race, which has historical ramifications, should never be entertained when deliberating over their acceptance to an institution of higher learning.

blacks, who still feel the residual effect of slavery, don't require assistance in overcoming ingrained inequities that only just began to recede 40 years ago.


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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2007, 11:38:27 AM »

yes, because one's race, which has historical ramifications, should never be entertained when deliberating over their acceptance to an institution of higher learning.

blacks, who still feel the residual effect of slavery, don't require assistance in overcoming ingrained inequities that only just began to recede 40 years ago.



You know there are more poor white people than black people who deserve a haleping hand just as much. I say forget about what color people's skin is and just accept them based on merit. But I guess that would make too much sense.

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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2007, 11:40:32 AM »

yes, because one's race, which has historical ramifications, should never be entertained when deliberating over their acceptance to an institution of higher learning.

blacks, who still feel the residual effect of slavery, don't require assistance in overcoming ingrained inequities that only just began to recede 40 years ago.



You know there are more poor white people than black people who deserve a haleping hand just as much. I say forget about what color people's skin is and just accept them based on merit. But I guess that would make too much sense.

last i checked, poor whites weren't denied the right to read or write english.

poor whites weren't denied equal housing protection.

poor whites weren't denied access to adequate healthcare.

over 40 years ago, poor whites could attend any college of their choosing, provided they had the money.

don't talk to me about poor whites.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2007, 11:45:37 AM »
last i checked, poor whites weren't denied the right to read or write english.
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Nobody that is living is being denied the right to read or write.

poor whites weren't denied equal housing protection.

poor whites weren't denied access to adequate healthcare.

over 40 years ago, poor whites could attend any college of their choosing, provided they had the money.
:lol Are you really that distinguished mentally-challenged. There are so many poor people that couldn't afford shit. Black, white, green purple, whatever.

Basically your argument amounts to. My daddy had it rough which makes it impossible for me to succeed without help. Well guess what. Lots of people had it rough growing up. The great depression hurt most of the country. And unless you were specifically denied rights (not your father or grandfather) then I don't see how you deserve anything extra.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2007, 11:46:06 AM »
ARABS = MUSLIMS = TRRRSTS

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idk, that looks like he's jewin' him  :-*

So it does.  It's like the two conflicting facets of jewdom.
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2007, 11:48:21 AM »
ARABS = MUSLIMS = TRRRSTS

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idk, that looks like he's jewin' him  :-*

So it does.  It's like the two conflicting facets of jewdom.

maybe the guy on the left is a muzzi and the jew on the right is refusing to pay him his wages for taking him to akalakjgl;agmsdgm (some ME city) and then the muzzi gets pissed, goes "alalalalalalalalala" and runs him and his camel into the jew's house
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2007, 11:56:57 AM »
last i checked, poor whites weren't denied the right to read or write english.
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Nobody that is living is being denied the right to read or write.

poor whites weren't denied equal housing protection.

poor whites weren't denied access to adequate healthcare.

over 40 years ago, poor whites could attend any college of their choosing, provided they had the money.
:lol Are you really that distinguished mentally-challenged. There are so many poor people that couldn't afford shit. Black, white, green purple, whatever.

Basically your argument amounts to. My daddy had it rough which makes it impossible for me to succeed without help. Well guess what. Lots of people had it rough growing up. The great depression hurt most of the country. And unless you were specifically denied rights (not your father or grandfather) then I don't see how you deserve anything extra.


blacks were denied the right to read and write.

blacks were systemically disenfranchised, refused access to institutions that even poor whites encountered no restrictions to.

my point is, slavery -- and the subsequent institutional racism visited upon the black african and his african-american descendants -- still impacts a black community that has no sound economic footing in this country.

it was only 40 years ago that blacks were given the right to vote.

the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.

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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2007, 12:05:50 PM »
Dude lots of people were denied shit along time ago. Yes it sucks. But guess what. There are lots of minorities who overcame the difficulties of their parents to attend college.


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the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.

No I would rather live in a world where people are not judged by the color of their skin. The only thing that should matter when applying to college is your acedemics.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2007, 12:06:54 PM »
The Roberts court so far has totally sucked ass.

Having lived in a rural Mississippi town where it took a court order-in 1988 no less-to integrate the more wealthy "county" school district (mostly whites) and near-impoverished "city" school district (mostly blacks), I can say without a doubt that all this is going to do is ensure that white people can move into a area with a overwhelmingly white population and know that their children go to a school with mostly white people. Any plan to better integrate the schools would get struck down.

Judge Roberts and crew are just ensuring that white flight is more attractive than ever. Who wouldn't want their kids to go to the best public schools?
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2007, 12:08:37 PM »
The Roberts court so far has totally sucked ass.

Tell me about it.  These rulings suck ass so far. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2007, 12:09:51 PM »
I dont know the exact ruling from this court, but I grew up in Baton Rouge. The city went through alot of this when Iw as there. My elementary school was a 45 min bus ride away in the middle of a crack neighborhood. I shit you not. There were a couple of drug busts that we could see out the school window.

Now, my family was never rich growing up, but we lived in a nice neighbor hood with great schools. The only problem was that we wernt allowed to go to the schools that we could get to by bike. No, for the sake of Diversity we had to travel to the other side of town.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2007, 12:33:53 PM »
Areas north of Seattle could probably use a little push in terms of diversity. I have to drive to downtown Seattle or Tacoma to see a black person most of the time. Really sad.Area north of Seattle could probably use a little push in terms of diversity. I have to drive to downtown Seattle or Tacoma to see a black person most of the time. Really sad.

Flame: These kinds of rules and regulations exist because people CANNOT BE TRUSTED to ignore race. Just cause an application ignores race doesnt mean the establishment will.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2007, 12:35:39 PM by Lil' Slugger »
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2007, 12:37:21 PM »
I dont know the exact ruling from this court, but I grew up in Baton Rouge. The city went through alot of this when Iw as there. My elementary school was a 45 min bus ride away in the middle of a crack neighborhood. I shit you not. There were a couple of drug busts that we could see out the school window.

Now, my family was never rich growing up, but we lived in a nice neighbor hood with great schools. The only problem was that we wernt allowed to go to the schools that we could get to by bike. No, for the sake of Diversity we had to travel to the other side of town.

Well, if such programs resulted in gems of humanity as yourself, perhaps we SHOULD be rethinking them.

My high school was an m to m (majority to minority) program as well, meaning that we had a lot of kids bussed in from the inner city to our school.  The school was also about as close to a private school in quality as you could get in a public school, as it was in a very rich, heavily Jewish neighborhood.  Countless black students got opportunities to enrich their lives by attending our school that they NEVER would have gotten had they gone to the shithole school down the street from where they lived.

Basically, I think this is just further proof that you're a racist shithead.  But go ahead and tell us about Token, your good black friend.
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2007, 12:39:12 PM »
You think there are people in the admissions office that deny people because they are black? WTF. Yea right they would lose their jobs faster than a heart beat.

My idea is just make it illegal for an employer or a college to ask about race.

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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2007, 12:39:57 PM »
yup, it's always about OH TEH NO WHITE KIDS HAFTA GO TO NIG'R SCHOOLS not OH YAY, BLACK KIDS ARE FINALLY GETTING A CHANCE AT WHITEY SCHOOLS
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2007, 12:40:01 PM »
No they wouldnt lose their jobs because RACISTS STICK TOGETHER
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2007, 12:40:12 PM »
I dont know the exact ruling from this court, but I grew up in Baton Rouge. The city went through alot of this when Iw as there. My elementary school was a 45 min bus ride away in the middle of a crack neighborhood. I shit you not. There were a couple of drug busts that we could see out the school window.

Now, my family was never rich growing up, but we lived in a nice neighbor hood with great schools. The only problem was that we wernt allowed to go to the schools that we could get to by bike. No, for the sake of Diversity we had to travel to the other side of town.

Well, if such programs resulted in gems of humanity as yourself, perhaps we SHOULD be rethinking them.

My high school was an m to m (majority to minority) program as well, meaning that we had a lot of kids bussed in from the inner city to our school.  The school was also about as close to a private school in quality as you could get in a public school, as it was in a very rich, heavily Jewish neighborhood.  Countless black students got opportunities to enrich their lives by attending our school that they NEVER would have gotten had they gone to the shithole school down the street from where they lived.

Basically, I think this is just further proof that you're a racist shithead.  But go ahead and tell us about Token, your good black friend.

Maybe they should improve the shit-hole school so people who cant be bused in dont have to have a poor education?

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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2007, 12:41:33 PM »
I dont know the exact ruling from this court, but I grew up in Baton Rouge. The city went through alot of this when Iw as there. My elementary school was a 45 min bus ride away in the middle of a crack neighborhood. I shit you not. There were a couple of drug busts that we could see out the school window.

Now, my family was never rich growing up, but we lived in a nice neighbor hood with great schools. The only problem was that we wernt allowed to go to the schools that we could get to by bike. No, for the sake of Diversity we had to travel to the other side of town.

Well, if such programs resulted in gems of humanity as yourself, perhaps we SHOULD be rethinking them.

My high school was an m to m (majority to minority) program as well, meaning that we had a lot of kids bussed in from the inner city to our school.  The school was also about as close to a private school in quality as you could get in a public school, as it was in a very rich, heavily Jewish neighborhood.  Countless black students got opportunities to enrich their lives by attending our school that they NEVER would have gotten had they gone to the shithole school down the street from where they lived.

Basically, I think this is just further proof that you're a racist shithead.  But go ahead and tell us about Token, your good black friend.

Maybe they should improve the shit-hole school so people who cant be bused in dont have to have a poor education?

Maybe they have a hard time because good teachers DON'T WANT TO TEACH THERE, you fucking ignoramus. 
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2007, 12:42:03 PM »

Maybe they have a hard time because good teachers DON'T WANT TO TEACH THERE, you fucking ignoramus. 

Why would that be?

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« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2007, 12:43:42 PM »
because white parents flee to another suburb without busing and refuse to accept reality, instead of putting money and effort into fixing the school? OH NO, THINK OF THE WHITE CHILDREN
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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2007, 12:43:45 PM »
The school I went to in Baton Rouge was practically segregated within the school anyway. There was a gifted and talented program which was 99% white and then the "non gifted talented" which was 99% black. Thus defeating the purpose of the program anyway.

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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2007, 12:44:10 PM »
because white parents refuse to accept the reality and flee to another suburb without busing instead of putting money and effort into fixing the school? OH NO, THINK OF THE WHITE CHILDREN

 :lol :lol
What?

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2007, 12:45:19 PM »
I need to just start posting:

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when im losing a debate.
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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2007, 12:45:51 PM »
because white parents refuse to accept the reality and flee to another suburb without busing instead of putting money and effort into fixing the school? OH NO, THINK OF THE WHITE CHILDREN

 :lol :lol
What?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

Wow, your parents were too dumb to do that?  Says a lot.

Also reminds me of David Cross doing his bit on people liking the suburbs:

"I like it out here... you know, it stays whiter outside later, if you catch mah drift."
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2007, 12:46:19 PM »
I'm not losing. Though, I just dont understand what the hell he said.

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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2007, 12:47:02 PM »
allow me to break it down for you, futami-style:

whities are told to integrate.

whities go I WILL NOT HAVE MY PRECIOUS WHITE CHILDREN NEAR THOSE VIOLENT DARKIES and I AM NOT PAYING MY HARD-EARNED MONEY TO HELP THOSE VIOLENT DARKIES

whities pack it up and flee to a suburb with less/no busing requirements

darkies continues to get no money, no good teachers, and no support

thus, the cycle of poverty continues
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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2007, 12:48:17 PM »
I'm not losing. Though, I just dont understand what the hell he said.

Yeah... that's a clear sign that you're losing.  Another would be whenever you start talking.
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2007, 12:48:35 PM »
So its the fault of people moving to the suburbs?? Damn those suburbs.

I bet if each school had the same amount of people from all races the world would have no problems at all.   :dur

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« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2007, 12:52:10 PM »
The same thing's..kinda happening here.  There's a ton of asians so there's a white flight from this district and another school in my district had the large majority (%60-%70) asian and that made a such a big impact on white's moving away that it was on cnn.  There are just a lot of racists.  It's not the education they're worried about (that stereotype is true about most asians here) but they just don't want to live around mostly asians and have their kids have asian friends.

For the record, my district was actually said by the wall street journal to be the best place in the world to live if you have kids.  BUT WHITE PEOPLE HATE IT.

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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2007, 12:54:17 PM »
Whites hate asians!!! I knew it. I bet they are fearing for their lives. What with all the violent asians out there.

Yall are so fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. Suburbia has very very little to do with race and more with people being able to commute to work and owning their own land and house.

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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2007, 12:54:32 PM »
Dude lots of people were denied shit along time ago. Yes it sucks. But guess what. There are lots of minorities who overcame the difficulties of their parents to attend college.


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the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.

No I would rather live in a world where people are not judged by the color of their skin. The only thing that should matter when applying to college is your acedemics.

we should weigh the external factors that bear down on one's academic performance, factors that are directly attributable to slavery.


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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2007, 12:55:47 PM »
Dude lots of people were denied shit along time ago. Yes it sucks. But guess what. There are lots of minorities who overcame the difficulties of their parents to attend college.


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the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.

No I would rather live in a world where people are not judged by the color of their skin. The only thing that should matter when applying to college is your acedemics.

we should weigh the external factors that bear down on one's academic performance, factors that are directly attributable to slavery.



Yes because we should all be judged on what happened to our for fathers.  ::)

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2007, 12:57:29 PM »
Areas north of Seattle could probably use a little push in terms of diversity. I have to drive to downtown Seattle or Tacoma to see a black person most of the time. Really sad.Area north of Seattle could probably use a little push in terms of diversity. I have to drive to downtown Seattle or Tacoma to see a black person most of the time. Really sad.

Flame: These kinds of rules and regulations exist because people CANNOT BE TRUSTED to ignore race. Just cause an application ignores race doesnt mean the establishment will.

exactly.

would you honestly expect someone like flame, who appears to be a racist, to be fair when having to choose between a white guy and a black guy?

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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2007, 12:58:03 PM »
I'm not fucking racist. Yall are just distinguished mentally-challenged.

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BUT WHITE PEOPLE HATE IT.

If anything this is a racist comment. Here watch me make a similar statment that isnt true.

BLACK PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW TO READ.

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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2007, 12:59:46 PM »
Whites hate asians!!! I knew it. I bet they are fearing for their lives. What with all the violent asians out there.

Yall are so fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. Suburbia has very very little to do with race and more with people being able to commute to work and owning their own land and house.

Did you even READ that wiki article I posted?  Man. Of course you didn't, it disagrees with your preconceived notions of things.  Christ you're stupid.
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2007, 01:01:20 PM »
okay, there is a trend of WHITE people moving out.  EVERYBODY else is moving in, it's not just asians but anybody with a family.  Living here isn't cheap, but they want to live here because it's a very good neighborhood.  The fact that it's not a white majority and that you can very easily go to another city where there is a white majority is making racist whites move out.  IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU?

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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2007, 01:02:22 PM »
Futami let me ask you this. Lets pretend 2 people are applying to college.

Person A is a minority with good grades. He attends a good school and has average SAT scores.

Person B is not a minority. He attends a good school and has some decent extra curricular activity and above average SAT scores.

Should Person A be picked over B because their is a history of slavery in person As distant past? That isn't very fair to person B, now is it? Person B didn't do anything wrong.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2007, 01:03:29 PM »
Whites hate asians!!! I knew it. I bet they are fearing for their lives. What with all the violent asians out there.

Yall are so fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. Suburbia has very very little to do with race and more with people being able to commute to work and owning their own land and house.

Did you even READ that wiki article I posted?  Man. Of course you didn't, it disagrees with your preconceived notions of things.  Christ you're stupid.

Yes I read it, and to some extent it might be true. But there are alot more reasons people moved to the suburbs than "OMG THE WHITE MAN IS RACIST"

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2007, 01:07:01 PM »
Dude lots of people were denied shit along time ago. Yes it sucks. But guess what. There are lots of minorities who overcame the difficulties of their parents to attend college.


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the idea that blacks and whites are on a level playing field is fantasy concocted by those, like yourself, who'd rather live in a color-blind world that doesn't hold the privileged class accountable for their passive role in the continued oppression of the black american.

No I would rather live in a world where people are not judged by the color of their skin. The only thing that should matter when applying to college is your acedemics.

we should weigh the external factors that bear down on one's academic performance, factors that are directly attributable to slavery.



Yes because we should all be judged on what happened to our for fathers.  ::)

you act as if the vestigial remnants of slavery haven't had a significant impact on the mobility of the black community, that the disproportionate poverty suffered by that community isn't a result of slavery and its residue.

i hate people who think in absolutes.
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2007, 01:08:28 PM »

you act as if the vestigial remnants of haven't had a significant impact on the mobility of the black community, that the disproportionate poverty suffered by that community isn't a result of slavery and its residue.

i hate people who think in absolutes.

I don't think in absolutes. The majority of the time the answer is not simple. Again I'm going to ask this queastion about 2 people applying to college. 


Person A is a minority with good grades. He attends a good school and has average SAT scores.

Person B is not a minority. He attends a good school and has some decent extra curricular activity and above average SAT scores.

Should Person A be picked over B because their is a history of slavery in person As distant past? That isn't very fair to person B, now is it? Person B didn't do anything wrong.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2007, 01:10:19 PM »
Also, slavery happened 150 years ago. Do some peope still feel the affects, yea maybe but that doesnt prevent alot of people from becoming something. Like I have beens aying, there are way way more poor white people than poor black people. Should they get a helping hand because their family history wasnt ideal?

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2007, 01:14:52 PM »
everyone's a little bit racist...sometimes!

except for FoC who's a lot racist all the time
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2007, 01:16:31 PM »
ALL MIDDLE EASTERNERS HATE AMERICA AND ARE TERRISTS!!! <chews on toenails>
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2007, 01:16:35 PM »
 ::) ::)

I never said that TVC and you know it.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2007, 01:22:26 PM »
well actually most white students are considered stupid where I am so they may move away to somewhere..less picky.

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2005-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2006-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=33

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I refer you to a Nov. 19 story in the Wall Street Journal. Reporter Suein Hwang interviewed white parents who are pulling their kids out of elite public high schools, schools known for sending graduates to the nation's top colleges. They are doing this, writes Hwang, because the schools are too academically rigorous, too narrowly focused on subjects like math and science.
BUBUBUB MOST WHITE PEOPLE AREN'T RACIST!

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Yes, you read right. Hwang reports that since 1995, the number of white students at Lynbrook High in San Jose has fallen by almost half. At Monta Vista High in Cupertino, white students now make up less than a third of the population.
THAT'S A COINCIDENCE.

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Which plays, of course, into the old stereotype of the hyper-competitive Asian. But the new white flight has also given rise to a new stereotype one educator calls "the white boy syndrome." It says that white kids don't have it between the ears.

The irony speaks for itself.

I have no idea why Asian kids tend to lap the field, academically speaking. I do know it has nothing to do with the simple fact of being Asian, any more than the fact of being black makes you a great basketball player. To attain proficiency in any field, it helps to want that proficiency and to belong to a culture that rewards it. We strive for the things we deem important.
obviously the different culture changed the school system.


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In recent years, I've taught writing at an elite public high school and three universities. And I've been appalled how often I've encountered students who simply could not put a sentence together, had no conception of basic grammar and punctuation. They tell me I'm a tough grader. "I've always gotten A's before," sniffed one girl to whom I thought I was being generous in awarding a C-plus.

It occurs to me that this is the fruit of our dumbing down education in the name of "self-esteem." This is what we get for making the work easier instead of demanding the students work harder--and the parents be more involved.
if foc doesn't get a ban or leper out of this then the mods just aren't doing their jobs.

and they should tak foc's cock in their ass.
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2007, 01:29:35 PM »
Shock! people do distinguished mentally-challenged things after a national tragedy.


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well actually most white students are considered stupid where I am so they may move away to somewhere..less picky.

Yes becuase the above statement is not racist at all. Here I can play that game too. Most black students are blah blah blah.




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In recent years, I've taught writing at an elite public high school and three universities. And I've been appalled how often I've encountered students who simply could not put a sentence together, had no conception of basic grammar and punctuation. They tell me I'm a tough grader. "I've always gotten A's before," sniffed one girl to whom I thought I was being generous in awarding a C-plus.

It occurs to me that this is the fruit of our dumbing down education in the name of "self-esteem." This is what we get for making the work easier instead of demanding the students work harder--and the parents be more involved.


This is a hue problem with the education system in general. I fail to see how race has anything to do with it.



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I have no idea why Asian kids tend to lap the field, academically speaking. I do know it has nothing to do with the simple fact of being Asian, any more than the fact of being black makes you a great basketball player. To attain proficiency in any field, it helps to want that proficiency and to belong to a culture that rewards it. We strive for the things we deem important.

And how are people going to strive for something if it's handed to them?
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2007, 01:35:28 PM »
People who dont believe racism is an important problem, or ignore that it exsists are just as bad as racists.
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2007, 01:35:35 PM »
The teacher's aren't really being racist.  There's MOSTLY asian, so they raise the standard for the whole school.  CULTURE can impact how much the students study.  I know a lot of asians and it's true, the average asian studies much more than the average non-asian which IF YOU WERE NOT RACIST YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE FUCKING ARTICLE.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2007, 01:48:20 PM »
The teacher's aren't really being racist.  There's MOSTLY asian, so they raise the standard for the whole school.  CULTURE can impact how much the students study.  I know a lot of asians and it's true, the average asian studies much more than the average non-asian which IF YOU WERE NOT RACIST YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE FUCKING ARTICLE.

It has noyhing to do with race. Different cultures do things differently. There are smart and dumb white people, as well as smart and dumb asian people.

The fact that yall are calling me racist just means you dont know what racism really is. It trivializes the whole thing.



I wasn't calling the teachers racist. I was calling you racist, for saying that white people are stupid.

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2007, 01:51:30 PM »
maybe if a magical talking pinata explained racism to FoC he would actually listen for once
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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2007, 02:00:22 PM »
In a complete different angle on things, here in Omaha they have passed a bill that will basically go back to segregation. In Omaha we have basically three different cultural divides that you can pratically draw lines with on a map. The Northeast of the city is predominately all black. The Southeast is were the Latino communtiy resides. Then the West (Northwest/Southwest) is where we have all the whiteys.

Well, the new districts that have been passed have been cut into three. Which also coincide with the racial desparity of the city. What's more interesting is that Ernie Chambers is the one who came up with it. He was a big civil rights activist and he is about as leftist as it comes. The man wears t-shirts and jeans to the State Senate. He basically is saying that the schools are so screwed up that why don't we just let "our people take care of their own".

Ernie Chambers



A couple of articles if anyone is interested...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/jan-june06/omaha_05-31.html

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8GVGPE80&show_article=1

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Re: Court limits use of race in school admissions
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2007, 02:03:13 PM »
B-b-b-but Ernie can't be racist. He's black.