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« on: September 19, 2006, 01:34:39 PM »
Okay, a nun was killed.  Churches have been destroyed.  Extremists yesterday called for an Islamic army to March on Rome.  And according to the Washington Times, "a well-known Muslim firebrand said in London that the pontiff should face capital punishment."

Moderate Muslims need to get their house in order and stop letting these distinguished mentally-challenged idiots hijack their religion.  If Pat Robertson had all of the Christian world trying to kick start the Crusades: Part X and lynching homosexuals en masse, I'd say the same thing.  But that's not the case.

And does anyone find it absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged that the Pope was quoting text about inhumane and evil practices of Islam (not saying that this was out of line and the dude has apologized), and that the Muslim world reacts with violence?  WAY TO NOT PROVE HIS POINT.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2006, 01:46:13 PM »
I dunno the new Pope is sorta a jerk.

Honestly I dont see ANY of the extremist christians or muslims serving as positive examples of humanity. The shit in israel was sorta depressing, but thats how people live over there.

Just a bunch of angry people ruled by their religion, not by their hearts.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2006, 01:52:29 PM »
Take our Christians and stick 'em in the desert, rule them with penny-ante dictators, rock their neighborhoods with gunfire and mortar shells, and see how TURN THE OTHER CHEEK THEY ARE. Hell, see how "moderate" ANYONE is under those circumstances.

Of course, that doesn't justify the violent rhetoric, but it sure as hell explains it. The Middle East is a shithole, and religion is all most of them have -- and when that gets threatened, you can bet things are gonna turn nasty.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2006, 01:52:30 PM »
It's irrelevant that the Pope is a jerk.  What does that have to do with the nun who was killed?  Did she personally inhabit the body of Benedict and quote that medieval text?  No, she was killed based on religious affiliation.  What about the churches that have been destroyed?

Protests against the Pope's comments are one thing, but violent reactions to the religion in general is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2006, 01:55:56 PM »
Take our Christians and stick 'em in the desert, rule them with penny-ante dictators, rock their neighborhoods with gunfire and mortar shells, and see how TURN THE OTHER CHEEK THEY ARE. Hell, see how "moderate" ANYONE is under those circumstances.

Of course, that doesn't justify the violent rhetoric, but it sure as hell explains it. The Middle East is a shithole, and religion is all most of them have -- and when that gets threatened, you can bet things are gonna turn nasty.

Drinky, most of the current violent rhetoric is from Europe and South Asia.  The nun was slain in Somalia.  This is far from being contained in the Middle East.

This boils down to violent rhetoric from militant Muslims and fundamentalists that is all but condoned by moderate Muslims.  It's been the problem for ages.  Moderate Muslims love to straddle the line, especially here in the US and go, "Hey, we wouldn't kill anyone, but we understand why the extremists and militants do it!  Evil Westerners!"  And that shit just perpetuates the atmosphere that that crap is acceptable in the religion, and widens the gap between cultures.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2006, 01:58:09 PM »
I dont understand why youre shocked. Christians kill muslims as often as muslims kill christians. Yes, we can focus on an isolated case and cry foul, but I am not sure what that accomplishes.

I do recognize it is a tragedy that someone died over something so dumb, and if I cared about religion I might even feel bad about the church itself, but to me its just vandalism, which isn't nearly as bad as someone getting killed IN a church.

I guess I have followed this enough in the past to realize that nothing I feel or do will change something that has been churning for a thousands of years.
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2006, 02:03:25 PM »
I dont understand why youre shocked. Christians kill muslims as often as muslims kill christians. Yes, we can focus on an isolated case and cry foul, but I am not sure what that accomplishes.

No.

Violent reactions of Christians against Muslims is nothing compared to vice versa, unless you plan to generalize the faith as Western culture in general and the always fun straw-grasping that the West are imperialist bigots that slaughter Muslims in the Middle East every day.

This is not a religious debate, as it is a cultural one.  I mean, where were you for the Danish cartoon newspaper fiasco?
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2006, 02:07:44 PM »
I'll even change the viewpoint slightly so it becomes crystal.

A nun was murdered, helping the sick at a hospital and what does the Christian world do?  Mourn her loss, appreciate her life and the Pope even says he hopes her death will bridge the cultural gap.  There are no Catholic extremists destroying mosques or Muslim clerics in retaliation.

Now you think if the same thing had happened, that a very public and global murder of a Muslim cleric by Christian hands had occured, that the same scene would take place?

I highly, highly doubt it.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2006, 02:09:15 PM »
I think I am mostly generalizing religion. I dont trust religion. While it has been the foundation of so much it has also shown an equal capacity for destruction.

I don't come from a family founded in any one religion, and I am composed of many different nationalities, as such I believe in almost nothing spirtual and have no ties to 'the old country'. I have long since given up pointing fingers in this game of bullets, bombs, and swords. I refuse to pick sides in something so foolish. I think the ability to do this is one of the things I cherish most about being an individual.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2006, 02:13:22 PM »
Yeah I hate it when Christians and Buddhists run around burning shit down, declaring religious war on various peoples. Oh wait. They've moved on. It's time for some Muslim fundies to move on as well, methinks.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2006, 02:13:34 PM »
Lebanese Christians have killed plenty of folks in the name of their religion in the past 20 years, dode. That exact scene HAS taken place in reverse, with Lebanese Christians exacting bloody revenge. countless times. See also: Eastern European and TUrkish Christians.

Look, it's obvious: you stick people in a hell hole and shatter their lives with endless warfare and YEAH they tend to have violent reactions to things.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2006, 02:16:00 PM »
I'd say I'm not more or less meshed as you.  I come from a Judaeo-Christian household, with a menorah in one corner and a Jesus tree in the other.  I've got family members of all races and religious creed.

There is a time and a place for responsibility, and I don't think any one religious group should shirk it simply because - hey - everyone's got bloody hands.  I blame Western Jews for a lot of the stuff that goes down in Israel, but that's also a completely different scenario, defined by governments, terrorists, gunfire and political landscapes.

This is about a religious figure that quoted some text, albeit insensitive and perhaps offensive, and the violence that has erupted since.  It's silly to demand and take blood over words, and not even his own words.  And words he apologized for.

Moderate Muslims are the first to go on television and claim that the violence has nothing to do with them, but at a certain point in time, this shit has to be condemned by the majority or this will continue until someone destroys the wrong landmark in the wrong country.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2006, 02:17:28 PM »
Ah, excuse me. I'm not up on the subject of Lebonese extremist Christianity.

We've still got the Buddhists to look to, right? ...right?
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2006, 02:19:12 PM »
Lebanese Christians have killed plenty of folks in the name of their religion in the past 20 years, dode. That exact scene HAS taken place in reverse, with Lebanese Christians exacting bloody revenge. countless times. See also: Eastern European and TUrkish Christians.

Bloody revenge over violence, land, murder, beliefs and such is one thing.  And not even excusable.  Violence over cartoons and speech?  C'mon, let's not compare the two.  If you want to go into warfare, as I said, it's grasping straws, because it's not this conversation.

If you want to say that the Muslim world is unfairly attacked by the West in terms of combat, you'd have a point.

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Look, it's obvious: you stick people in a hell hole and shatter their lives with endless warfare and YEAH they tend to have violent reactions to things.

This ignores Europe and South Asia - or does everywhere where Muslims live qualify as a so-called "hell hole"?
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2006, 02:49:31 PM »
I think the case with those extremist muslims is that a lot of them are simply not educated. They are easily brainwashed by corrupted local leaders who pervt the words of their religions and use them for their own gains; the regular muslims are the victims of this, as they are bundled with those extremists. The youth who get endoctrined with the more extremist interpration of their religions are the front line soldiers, sadly, as they dont know any better.

It is a shame.

It's those moderate muslims that should raise their voice and tell the extreme side to stfu. But they cant do shit, why? because dialog with silly yapping dogs is impossible. They need to move on, as someone said. They are becoming simply obselete. THeir only ways of dialogs are violence, and then they start crying about how their are victims when someone relatiates.

Killing another human because they dont agree with your views is unacceptable in a modern society. Education and understanding is the only way. Those who refuse to cooperate and communicate will forever be stuck into their own ghettos.

Nobody will ever give them a chance to be accepted unless they start accepting the majority, and its differences.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2006, 02:51:55 PM »
I make no bones about the extremists.  It's a different world to them, and I don't think we can change that.

But I think there needs to be a more global effort to condemn these kind of remarks and attacks within the religion, instead of all this political posturing to get the West to understand why they act violent.  It basically condones this behavior.
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2006, 02:56:42 PM »
Pretty much. The other side doesnt want to do anything, because they are afraid to spawn an even bigger shitstorm. it's a shame because people will die. I know some regular, mainstream muslims and they REALLY HATE whats going on, and they HATE how they are being bundled with the troublemakers.

There's just no real way. You got one angry side who is always OMGOMG BREAK SHIT UP LISTEN TO ME YOUR WAYS ARE MAKIGN ME SO ANGRY OMGOGMGOMGMOGM' and the other side is like "Ok. I see. And Now for our entertainement news, Nick and Jessica are back toget--".

One side is always angry, the other side doesnt care. Nothing will ever move that way.

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2006, 02:59:14 PM »
Well, seeing how kids in some regions from a young age are basically taught that everything Non Islam is evil and that Violence is needed to spread Islam, it doesn't make one so hopeful about things turning around.

This violence in Islam is probably a smaller subset of the majority but the religion itself in terms of followers is pretty huge, so even the small subset makes up alot of people.
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2006, 02:59:31 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2006, 03:02:08 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2006, 03:05:17 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2006, 03:43:15 PM »
I was going to make a post on this. Being politically correct I'll say, some Muslims are fucking stupid. These groups in particular.

So let me get his straight, a few muslim groups got pissed the pope said something about Islam being too violent. Then Extremists get pissed at his comments and say, 'we're not fucking violent!, lets kill him!'. Then proceed to riot and kill and damage things from those comments! You fucking idiots, you just PROVED what the pope said.

The only reason this starts a bunch of crap, as always in the middle east, is there is a much larger population of extremist Muslims than any other religion. They hate Christians, they hate Jews, hell they even hate OTHER Muslims! Fuck em, I say. They think they get what they want by blowing themselves up, I hope all these extremists fucking die.

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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2006, 03:46:09 PM »
Islam needs to be eradicated from the earth.

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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2006, 03:48:46 PM »
What these groups need is a taste of their own medicine. We need to get some pipe smoking niccas with some tweezers over there to blow THEMSELVES up on them, and see how it feels. I'm talking so0me hardcore shit, you dig?

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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2006, 04:21:19 PM »
How many violent Muslims in first-world countries are there?
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2006, 04:21:58 PM »
How many violent Muslims in first-world countries are there?

The terrorists in England were home grown.  And how quickly do we forget the violent protests in France, mostly young, disenfranchised Muslim youth.  Or any number of violent protests due to the European press reprinting cartoons.

The numbers get worse and the actions are far out of control, sometimes state sponsored, in the Middle East, though.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2006, 05:51:08 PM »
I dunno willco this doesnt seem very objective. This has actually shut down some avenues of conversation between you and me.
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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2006, 05:52:49 PM »
too much sugar obviously.
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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2006, 05:53:43 PM »
that's what happens when you replace Saddam with Marie Antoinette.

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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2006, 05:55:23 PM »
I dunno willco this doesnt seem very objective. This has actually shut down some avenues of conversation between you and me.

What, LAX sucks and I love Long Beach.
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2006, 05:56:18 PM »
Moderate Muslims need to get their house in order and stop letting these distinguished mentally-challenged idiots hijack their religion.  If Pat Robertson had all of the Christian world trying to kick start the Crusades: Part X and lynching homosexuals en masse, I'd say the same thing.  But that's not the case.

Kind of like how Moderate Christians need to get their house in order and stop letting distinguished mentally-challenged fundies hijack their religion and brainwash their children.

Just because we aren't putting weapons in their hands and telling them to commit suicide in the name of Jesus doesn't mean the evangelist takeover here in the US of A is something to shrug off.

But, I can see your point and I'm not saying you are wrong.

I just figured I'd make that comparison.

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« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2006, 05:58:16 PM »
Yeah I hate it when Christians and Buddhists run around burning shit down, declaring religious war on various peoples. Oh wait. They've moved on. It's time for some Muslim fundies to move on as well, methinks.
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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2006, 06:00:09 PM »
Umm Pat Robertson is fucking evil.
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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2006, 06:00:44 PM »
People pay too much attention to dogma and zealous leaders in all religions, so there's no reason to single out Islam in terms of that.

That's not really relevant.  Like I said Jews and Christians and everyone have their own problems, but this topic is in respect to the violent reaction to the Pope quoting some medieval text.

But addressing your point, there really is not evangelist takeover in the United States.  America has always had pretty Puritan ideals (no sex on TV, but violence is good!), but now you have an invigorated political base verus a bunch disorganized, liberal voters that can't seem to energize their base due to apathy.

And - yes - Pat Robertson sucks.
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« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2006, 06:01:49 PM »
Moderate Muslims need to get their house in order and stop letting these distinguished mentally-challenged idiots hijack their religion.  If Pat Robertson had all of the Christian world trying to kick start the Crusades: Part X and lynching homosexuals en masse, I'd say the same thing.  But that's not the case.

Kind of like how Moderate Christians need to get their house in order and stop letting distinguished mentally-challenged fundies hijack their religion and brainwash their children.

Just because we aren't putting weapons in their hands and telling them to commit suicide in the name of Jesus doesn't mean the evangelist takeover here in the US of A is something to shrug off.

But, I can see your point and I'm not saying you are wrong.

I just figured I'd make that comparison.
They have more babies. How many babies have you had Diablos? Crazy fundamentalism is a good reproductive strategy in an environment filled with birth control. Shrugging off the inevitable.

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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2006, 06:01:54 PM »
Moderate Muslims need to get their house in order and stop letting these distinguished mentally-challenged idiots hijack their religion.  If Pat Robertson had all of the Christian world trying to kick start the Crusades: Part X and lynching homosexuals en masse, I'd say the same thing.  But that's not the case.

Kind of like how Moderate Christians need to get their house in order and stop letting distinguished mentally-challenged fundies hijack their religion and brainwash their children.

Just because we aren't putting weapons in their hands and telling them to commit suicide in the name of Jesus doesn't mean the evangelist takeover here in the US of A is something to shrug off.

But, I can see your point and I'm not saying you are wrong.

I just figured I'd make that comparison.

Poor comparison. Fundie Christians are raising their kids to fear God, and then sending them to law school. These fundie Muslims are raising their kids to fear God, and then go blow up a bunch of innocent people. Come on.

I'm not saying the Christians aren't fucking things up too, but they can be kept in check by the law, as well as the public who elects officials. There are no checks on these Muslim bastards.
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« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2006, 06:05:37 PM »
does it help that most westerners are out-of-touch distinguished mentally-challenged fellows like Willco?

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« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2006, 06:06:32 PM »
does it help that most westerners are out-of-touch distinguished mentally-challenged fellows like Willco?

How about bringing something to the discussion versus just name calling.  Why?  Because you probably have nothing.

And by bringing something to the discussion, I don't mean comparing apples-to-oranges by bringing in Western military campaigns and land vendettas like Drinky.  If you want to create a topic about it - go ahead.

I'm talking about the violent reaction and rhetoric related to the Pope quoting someone's elses text.
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« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2006, 06:07:09 PM »
Poor comparison. Fundie Christians are raising their kids to fear God, and then sending them to law school. These fundie Muslims are raising their kids to fear God, and then go blow up a bunch of innocent people. Come on.
No, they're saying to send them law school because that makes a difference.

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« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2006, 06:08:46 PM »
Poor comparison. Fundie Christians are raising their kids to fear God, and then sending them to law school. These fundie Muslims are raising their kids to fear God, and then go blow up a bunch of innocent people. Come on.
No, they're saying to send them law school because that makes a difference.

Yes, a far more constructive difference than blowing up little kids in coffe shops.
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« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2006, 06:10:04 PM »
How about bringing something to the discussion versus just name calling.  Why?  Because you probably have nothing.
They have no problems with other religion being practiced, you can't make a culture that hates that.  They hate the sheep mentality of the countries controlling them.  You shove them of full rhetoric about class systems and self-congratulatory pats on the back and they'll strap a bomb on themselves.

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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2006, 06:10:55 PM »
Yes, a far more constructive difference than blowing up little kids in coffe shops.
Muslims send their kids to law schools.  you didn't say anything worth repeating.

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« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2006, 06:11:00 PM »
So basically, you're proving my point, by condoning such violence and rhetoric?

Also, I'd say I've met far smarter Muslim students that actually care about their education that the crazy Christians that think Passion of the Christ is the most important piece of media since the Bible went into mass print.
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« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2006, 06:12:52 PM »
Yes, a far more constructive difference than blowing up little kids in coffe shops.
Muslims send their kids to law schools.  you didn't say anything worth repeating.

But apparently a lot send their kids to "blow up innocent people" school too. Can't say that about fundie Christian parents eh?
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« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2006, 06:14:10 PM »
So basically, you're proving my point, by condoning such violence and rhetoric?
No, you're ranting about it on a message board.

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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2006, 06:14:32 PM »
What the fuck, PhoenixDark.  You're dragging this shit so far off topic it doesn't make any sense.

Fundamentalists are fucked up, period.  It doesn't matter what religion you subscribe to.

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No, you're ranting about it on a message board.

This kind of was irrelevant to my question, and per usual, makes no sense.  Way to go!
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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2006, 06:14:41 PM »
But apparently a lot send their kids to "blow up innocent people" school too. Can't say that about fundie Christian parents eh?
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« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2006, 06:14:59 PM »
Poor comparison. Fundie Christians are raising their kids to fear God, and then sending them to law school. These fundie Muslims are raising their kids to fear God, and then go blow up a bunch of innocent people. Come on.
No, they're saying to send them law school because that makes a difference.
It's true.

According to polls, there aren't that many nonbelievers in this country. So you can throw the whole idea that all liberals are godless and therefore don't have kids. And even if they DID, no one typically has that many children unless you're a fundie.  Now more than ever these evangelists are working like a machine, pumping out the kids and striking the fear of god into them as soon as they can walk.

Like it's so terrible that NORMAL people who can actually think for themselves will actually limit the amount of kids they have and use birth control, omg, how awful.

PhoenixDark, like I said, I didn't DISAGREE with Willco, I'm just saying we can't forget about fundies on even a much smaller scale, because even if they *legitemately* want to change the world -- THEY ARE CHANGING IT. And one could argue they have a more secure chance of doing so because there's obviously no basis for attacking these innocent people. Whereas terrorists have a pretty big target on them for obvious reasons.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2006, 06:17:47 PM »
But the discussion isn't one of, "Well, who's fundamentalists are worse?"  Fundamentalists suck period.  Hell, the scariest fundamentalists I can think of don't hail from Islam - it'd have to be Mormonism.

This is about discussing the relevant topic of the Pope, and the violent reaction on his words.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2006, 06:20:09 PM »
But apparently a lot send their kids to "blow up innocent people" school too. Can't say that about fundie Christian parents eh?
Just ban him.

Why, because you have no ability whatsoever to defend yourself? If you're Muslim, I don't give a shit; I have no problem with Islam, and I have great respect for the religion. But to compare the fundie branch of Christianity to that of Islam is absolute bullshit, and a direct attack on Christianity, which I don't appreciate.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2006, 06:22:00 PM »
PhoenixDark, you teetering dangerous close to out-of-line.  If you can't discuss this topic without wrongfully thinking an attack on fundamentalist Christian groups is an assault on the religion on general, I'm going to put you in time out.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2006, 06:23:00 PM »
Why, because you have no ability whatsoever to defend yourself? If you're Muslim, I don't give a shit; I have no problem with Islam, and I have great respect for the religion. But to compare the fundie branch of Christianity to that of Islam is absolute bullshit, and a direct attack on Christianity, which I don't appreciate.
Show me somebody who sent their children to be blown up.

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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2006, 06:24:52 PM »
But apparently a lot send their kids to "blow up innocent people" school too. Can't say that about fundie Christian parents eh?
Just ban him.

Why, because you have no ability whatsoever to defend yourself? If you're Muslim, I don't give a shit; I have no problem with Islam, and I have great respect for the religion. But to compare the fundie branch of Christianity to that of Islam is absolute bullshit, and a direct attack on Christianity, which I don't appreciate.

We're talking about (well, some of us) how fundies of all types manage to have a dramatic effect on things. You can't deny this. And certainly, across the board, be it by someone who could be your neighbor or someone that wants to blow you up, I have to question the morality of fundamentalists. Obviously I'd rather know an American fundie than a terrorist, but that doesn't mean I should come to appreciate or accept what they are doing to fuck with this country.

They ARE two different things, but BECAUSE they are two different things, it's important to point that out. But ALSO, after seperating the two, coming back to the point that fundamentalism indeed has been successful in promoting change in extremely controversial ways. Ways that are totally unrealted, of course. But you should not bring up the fact that terrorists are the worst fundies in existance and therefore give close to a free pass to the dumbing down of the youth across the country in the name of a bunch of arrogant evangelists.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2006, 06:28:26 PM »
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Show me somebody who sent their children to be blown up.

The practice of martyrdom is one that traces its beginnings to the Iran/Iraq war, and the parents are very proud of their children who do that.  Those who sacrifice themselves are hailed as heroes.  On the other hand, it was against military targets - which I think most view as acceptable.  It really wasn't until Hezbollah decide to attack civilians with suicide bombers that practice has been met with international distaste.

But these are isolated cases, and no more fucked up than the redneck trailer trash that goes around dragging black people behind pick up trucks in the name of Christ.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2006, 06:30:41 PM »
It feels good not to have a religion.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2006, 06:31:30 PM »
But apparently a lot send their kids to "blow up innocent people" school too. Can't say that about fundie Christian parents eh?
Just ban him.

Why, because you have no ability whatsoever to defend yourself? If you're Muslim, I don't give a shit; I have no problem with Islam, and I have great respect for the religion. But to compare the fundie branch of Christianity to that of Islam is absolute bullshit, and a direct attack on Christianity, which I don't appreciate.

We're talking about (well, some of us) how fundies of all types manage to have a dramatic effect on things. You can't deny this. And certainly, across the board, be it by someone who could be your neighbor or someone that wants to blow you up, I have to question the morality of fundamentalists. Obviously I'd rather know an American fundie than a terrorist, but that doesn't mean I should come to appreciate or accept what they are doing to fuck with this country.

They ARE two different things, but BECAUSE they are two different things, it's important to point that out. But ALSO, after seperating the two, coming back to the point that fundamentalism indeed has been successful in promoting change in extremely controversial ways. Ways that are totally unrealted, of course. But you should not bring up the fact that terrorists are the worst fundies in existance and give a free pass to the dumbing down of the youth across the country in the name of a bunch of arrogant fundies.

I'm not giving a free pass to anyone. I've been raised around the fundie movement, I know what it's about, and I know why it's so successful. You can laugh at them all you want, but in the end they're making changes; stuff like the Joshua Project is not a joke.

Yeah they're misguided, and they want to roll back the clock on a lot of things. My point is that comparing both groups is not a good idea, and it only sows confusion.
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Re: Okay Mulisms, now you're being TOO zany!
« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2006, 06:33:33 PM »
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No, it's more of an issue of anti Christian bullshit that I see on GAF, and I see here. Whenever someone gets an opening to make some kind of outrageous comparison - be it fundie Christians to fundie Muslims or Christianity to Scientology - they make it, and nothing happens. Well I'm tired of that, and I'm going to push that shit back in people's face every time I see it. If that means I have to be banned each time I do it, so be it.

He brought up a valid point, if you're going to compare fundies to fundies.  None are better.

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This is how I feel too.  I like some core tenants of all religions, and believe in a higher power, but I'm not affiliated with any.  You get a more objective view that way.
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