EB REAL GAMER CHAT: Most overrated game ever?

[Ichirou]

Like TVC just mentioned, they're mostly known for D, D2, Enemy Zero, and Real Sound (which was Japan only).  They were very experimental/artsy-fartsy, but their games are pretty much unplayable.  For example, Enemy Zero was a rip-off of the original Alien movie, except the alien in the game is invisible, and you have to rely on an instrument that makes a sound to tell when it's close by and what direction it's coming from.  Interesting in concept, but the execution was awful.

Eno supposedly started working on video games again a couple of years back, but I haven't heard anything about projects he may be working on...so who knows what's up with that...but the people who worked for him did Ico and SOTC and they seem to have emulated his basic ideas about gameplay and aesthetics.

[Smooth Groove]

D2 looked amazing when it was first shown in magazines.  It was like the Crysis of its time.  Too bad the game took too long to arrive and it also wasn't that fun to play. 

[TVC15]

D, D2, and Enemy Zero are hardly unplayable.  I'd go so far as to call them all pretty easy.   

[Human Snorenado]

I came into this thread to say that ICO is a steaming piece of crap and not a videogame.  So, ICO.

[brawndolicious]

MGS is awesome even if you don't have the patience for the stealth aspects of its gameplay.  I rambo my way through parts of the games and they were still awesome to play.  You're right about the story though.  I'll much rather play a game about a midget plumber who has to save his girlfriend from a dragon.    

shooting system was pretty much broken, it's like you're playing pacman and then you bust out a famas and go in first person but OH SHIT, you're not looking down the sights until you empty half of your clip that it took you 2 hours to find!  WTF?  Splinter Cell wiped it's ass with MGS.  There's really never been an interesting "gameplay innovation" in MGS (I've never even heard a fan say that) and people just buy it to watch the movies.

All I know of D2 is that they panned the camera up in the american version during the fmv of the tentacle rape.

[Ichirou]

D, D2, and Enemy Zero are hardly unplayable.  I'd go so far as to call them all pretty easy.   

Well, I didn't mean unplayable as in "very difficult."  I mean unplayable as in "very shitty."  And Enemy Zero was not particularly easy, thanks to the whole sound gimmick.

[TVC15]

I wouldn't classify any of those games as very shitty, either.  None of them are ico/sotc bad.  None of them are bad, period.

[BamYouHaveAids]

Panzer Dragoon Orta is a steaming pile of shit.

[John_Carmack]

Panzer Dragoon Orta is a steaming pile of shit.

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[The Sceneman]

I played that for like an hour.  The controls ruin it.

I concur, a shame because the acting was top notch

[Ichirou]

I wouldn't classify any of those games as very shitty, either.  None of them are ico/sotc bad.  None of them are bad, period.

I thought D and Enemy Zero were awful...let us agree to disagree, then.

[bork]

Not sure, but it's definitely something from Nintendo.

"MARIO 64 IS THE GREATEST GAME EVER MADE"

 

"ZELDA OOT IS THE GREATEST GAME OF THIS CENTURY"

 

"METROID WAS A GREAT CHOICE TO MAKE A FPS OUT OF"

 

"POKEMON IS AWESOME EVEN IF YOU AREN'T AN 8 YEAR OLD-- HONEST"

 

[Human Snorenado]

Panzer Dragoon Orta is a steaming pile of shit.

If I ever see you irl, I'm going to beat you to a pulp and shit in your mouth.

[John_Carmack]

Panzer Dragoon Orta is a steaming pile of shit.

If I ever see you irl, I'm going to beat you to a pulp and shit in your mouth.

Sega fans are going to be among the first up against the wall when the Revolution comes.

[Ichirou]

That reminds me, I need to do a Sega Saturn appreciation thread.

[Human Snorenado]

Panzer Dragoon Orta is a steaming pile of shit.

If I ever see you irl, I'm going to beat you to a pulp and shit in your mouth.

Sega fans are going to be among the first up against the wall when the Revolution comes.

I'm not a Sega fan!

...ok, I'm kind of a Sega fan.  But not for anything they've produced in the last 4 years or so barring VF games.

[Solo]

Halo

[BlueTsunami]

Probably the Halo series

I mean, I don't troll it at all really but I tried getting into it and it didn't rub me the right way. It felt very generic to me, the sci-fi setting was completely boring and I guess I didn't pick up on the lil' intricacies of the game play to really fawn over it.

Online was coo, I think what really makes the game is matchmaking...thats bout' it though.

Battlefield 2 > The entire Halo series

Halo

Fuuuuuuck

Solo beat me without typing out a long winded post!

[bud]

MGS is awesome even if you don't have the patience for the stealth aspects of its gameplay.  I rambo my way through parts of the games and they were still awesome to play.  You're right about the story though.  I'll much rather play a game about a midget plumber who has to save his girlfriend from a dragon.    

shooting system was pretty much broken, it's like you're playing pacman and then you bust out a famas and go in first person but OH SHIT, you're not looking down the sights until you empty half of your clip that it took you 2 hours to find!  WTF?  Splinter Cell wiped it's ass with MGS.  There's really never been an interesting "gameplay innovation" in MGS (I've never even heard a fan say that) and people just buy it to watch the movies.

All I know of D2 is that they panned the camera up in the american version during the fmv of the tentacle rape.

fuck off

also, if it takes you 2 hours to find some ammo then you don't even deserve to play the game.

[tiesto]

1. GTA series
2. Goldeneye
3. Metroid Prime series
4. FFXII
5. God of War

[Human Snorenado]

MGS is awesome even if you don't have the patience for the stealth aspects of its gameplay.  I rambo my way through parts of the games and they were still awesome to play.  You're right about the story though.  I'll much rather play a game about a midget plumber who has to save his girlfriend from a dragon.   

shooting system was pretty much broken, it's like you're playing pacman and then you bust out a famas and go in first person but OH SHIT, you're not looking down the sights until you empty half of your clip that it took you 2 hours to find!  WTF?  Splinter Cell wiped it's ass with MGS.  There's really never been an interesting "gameplay innovation" in MGS (I've never even heard a fan say that) and people just buy it to watch the movies.

All I know of D2 is that they panned the camera up in the american version during the fmv of the tentacle rape.

fuck off

also, if it takes you 2 hours to find some ammo then you don't even deserve to play the game.

Splinter Cell = stealth gaming for people who like gameplay
MGS = stealth gaming for people who like faggy cutscenes and stupid codec chatter

[Eduardo24]

I prefer the stealth gameplay in SC than the one in Metal Gear.  The stealth in MG is broken.  CQC is broken (its too powerfull).  I still have fun with them though.

I suppose I enjoyed Metroid Prime because I never thought of it as an FPS.  Retro always described it as an adventure game on first person, that is how I played, and I liked it.  I think the level design (including the use new abilities, exploration, backtracking etc) is superior to most ADVENTURE games of the generation.

Well, to me the most overrated game ever is...well...most japanese RPGs.  I didn´t like Okami.  Thought the game was "artistic" for 5 hours, afterwards the cell-shaded style started to burn my eyes.

[Himu]

I played that for like an hour.  The controls ruin it.

it's an adventure game man. who cares about controls lol

you can change the controls so it's not tank controls too!

[Himu]

Panzer Dragoon Orta is a steaming pile of shit.

lmao

Splinter Cell = stealth gaming for people who like gameplay
MGS = stealth gaming for people who like faggy cutscenes and stupid codec chatter

Ah, I dunno. MGS3 didn't have a lot of codecs, and the majority of it was simply sneaking around. That game was a beast.

[Shuri]

lucasarts ports wouldnt work on the DS because

1) its a niche genre with few fans nowadays
2) licenses issues
3) 3rd party games sell like shit on the ds
4) fans of those type of games already have perfect ports on their ds using flashcards with the port of scumm

[Himu]

lucasarts ports wouldnt work on the DS because

1) its a niche genre with few fans nowadays
2) licenses issues
3) 3rd party games sell like shit on the ds
4) fans of those type of games already have perfect ports on their ds using flashcards with the port of scumm

It's a niche genre but they could make it more popular by introducing a new generation of fans.

[ToxicAdam]

Planescape: Torment


It's good .. but it's not a top 10 game like people claim.

[Himu]

Now people are going to start listing BG2 and crap

[ananus]

1) dragon quests
2) 3d zeldas
3) smash bros
4) final fantasy
5) phoenix wright

[tiesto]

3) 3rd party games sell like shit on the ds

Hasn't this argument been disproven on GAF like a thousand times already?

[MrAngryFace]

Planescape is top 10 u shaddup

[tiesto]

1) dragon quests

This is about the most overrated game series not the best game series.

[Himu]

3) 3rd party games sell like shit on the ds

Hasn't this argument been disproven on GAF like a thousand times already?

They are pretty overrated. Majority of ds' games that have been hyped almost always end up being disappointing. Mega Man ZX, Hotel Dusk, so on and so on.

[bud]

MGS is awesome even if you don't have the patience for the stealth aspects of its gameplay.  I rambo my way through parts of the games and they were still awesome to play.  You're right about the story though.  I'll much rather play a game about a midget plumber who has to save his girlfriend from a dragon.   

shooting system was pretty much broken, it's like you're playing pacman and then you bust out a famas and go in first person but OH SHIT, you're not looking down the sights until you empty half of your clip that it took you 2 hours to find!  WTF?  Splinter Cell wiped it's ass with MGS.  There's really never been an interesting "gameplay innovation" in MGS (I've never even heard a fan say that) and people just buy it to watch the movies.

All I know of D2 is that they panned the camera up in the american version during the fmv of the tentacle rape.

fuck off

also, if it takes you 2 hours to find some ammo then you don't even deserve to play the game.

Splinter Cell = stealth gaming for people who like gameplay
MGS = stealth gaming for people who like faggy cutscenes and stupid codec chatter

not only are you spreading your filthy lies but on top of that, you didn't even play mgs3

[Human Snorenado]

MGS is awesome even if you don't have the patience for the stealth aspects of its gameplay.  I rambo my way through parts of the games and they were still awesome to play.  You're right about the story though.  I'll much rather play a game about a midget plumber who has to save his girlfriend from a dragon.   

shooting system was pretty much broken, it's like you're playing pacman and then you bust out a famas and go in first person but OH SHIT, you're not looking down the sights until you empty half of your clip that it took you 2 hours to find!  WTF?  Splinter Cell wiped it's ass with MGS.  There's really never been an interesting "gameplay innovation" in MGS (I've never even heard a fan say that) and people just buy it to watch the movies.

All I know of D2 is that they panned the camera up in the american version during the fmv of the tentacle rape.

fuck off

also, if it takes you 2 hours to find some ammo then you don't even deserve to play the game.

Splinter Cell = stealth gaming for people who like gameplay
MGS = stealth gaming for people who like faggy cutscenes and stupid codec chatter

not only are you spreading your filthy lies but on top of that, you didn't even play mgs3

It doesn't matter, seeing as how it's obvious Kojima is going back to the shittiness that was MGS2 with the new one.

Again, SC gameplay > MGS gameplay.

[bud]

lol, atleast it'lll be better than viva pinata and party animal.

[Human Snorenado]

lol, atleast it'lll be better than viva pinata and party animal.

You are dead inside, bud.

Also, I forgot, but all mmorpgs are overrated.  They're not even games.

[brawndolicious]

MGS is awesome even if you don't have the patience for the stealth aspects of its gameplay.  I rambo my way through parts of the games and they were still awesome to play.  You're right about the story though.  I'll much rather play a game about a midget plumber who has to save his girlfriend from a dragon.   

shooting system was pretty much broken, it's like you're playing pacman and then you bust out a famas and go in first person but OH SHIT, you're not looking down the sights until you empty half of your clip that it took you 2 hours to find!  WTF?  Splinter Cell wiped it's ass with MGS.  There's really never been an interesting "gameplay innovation" in MGS (I've never even heard a fan say that) and people just buy it to watch the movies.

All I know of D2 is that they panned the camera up in the american version during the fmv of the tentacle rape.

fuck off

also, if it takes you 2 hours to find some ammo then you don't even deserve to play the game.

it took about that long until you got the famas (first heavy firepower you could carry around with you) and there is absolutely no benefit in firing the gun.  If you have guys just lining up to get killed, which is quite possible due to the craptacular sub-pacman AI, then it's worth using but it's not fun.  They thought up all the things with the story and MOST LIKELY the level design and then decided to put in the controls and equipment.

[Mupepe]

you really think that most DS owners are old/intelligent enough to complete puzzles with Myst levels of difficulty, and that they care about mature, subdued plots?

98 percent of GAF owns a DS...

so you're probably right.  They'll stop when they realize it's not a sales-age game.

[BamYouHaveAids]

Panzer Dragoon Orta is a steaming pile of shit.

If I ever see you irl, I'm going to beat you to a pulp and shit in your mouth.

All of which are better alternatives than playing Panzer Dragoon Orta

[ferrarimanf355]

Virtua Fighter, the entire series.

You probably suck at the game.

My answer is Final Fantasy. The entire series. 

[Oblivion]

Actually, after doing some thinking, would a game be overrated even if it was revolutionary at the time? I mean, I can certainly understand if people prefer other Marios or Zeldas, but Mario 64 and OoT were revolutionary for their time, and deserving of the praise they got.

[etiolate]

Any of the Metal Gear Solid games.

1. Stealth is not fun and has ruined many other games
2. If he's stealthy, why is he so fucking slow? Ninjas are fast, ninjas are stealthy. 
3. Kojima is a shitty writer
4. Homosexual gender identity undercurrents large enough to birth an aircraft carrier
5. TOO MUCH WATCHING NOT ENOUGH INTERACTING

[etiolate]

I should also explain why other heavy contenders didn't make it, and mostly it is because I can rationalize their popularity.

GTA3 and beyond: Series ridden by bugs and subpar controls, but it is mindless and people love cars and guns, plus great soundtracks.  I bought one and played it for awhile.  It wasn't great, ut it wasn't horrible.  Maybe one day they'll fix the gameplay. 

Halo: It's basically like your average FPS, but mixed with a merry go round.  Sandbox gameplay can go suck a dick, its an excuse for poor level design, but if you haven't played many FPS games then Halo would rox your sox at first and it is by no means a poor game.

Final Fantasy series: I won't even touch these games anymore.  The scores are always inflated and a year later people realize "ehh what was I thinking?" But since I don't touch them, I can't ridicule them.  Also they serve their purpose as nerd soap operas.

[brawndolicious]

actually splinter cell was thought up after the guy who created it heard about metal gear solid and wondered how you would make a stealth game.  Stealth games DO work in games like that where you have to work very hard to conceal yourself from somebody and that the AI is able to fight against actual SPIES effectively.  Not in games like MGS where it looks like they took pacman and made the ghosts see 10 feet in front of them.

[Himu]

MGS3 does not work like Pacman at all.

[brawndolicious]

how does the steath (?) work?

[Solo]

MGS is definately aimed more at being an action/cinematic game, that is true, but LOLZ at anyone who consideres SC's gameplay to be good. The stuff with the lighting and shadows was revolutionary, but the gameplay itself was terrible. Trial and error FTL. Im talking about the first game in the series, BTW.

[BlueTsunami]

Any of the Metal Gear Solid games.

1. Stealth is not fun and has ruined many other games
2. If he's stealthy, why is he so fucking slow? Ninjas are fast, ninjas are stealthy. 
3. Kojima is a shitty writer
4. Homosexual gender identity undercurrents large enough to birth an aircraft carrier
5. TOO MUCH WATCHING NOT ENOUGH INTERACTING

Eh

1. Subjective honestly. There are people who like stealth gameplay
2. When was he ever a Ninja? Hes a soldier, not a sandal wearing Jappa that can climb walls
3. He probably is but its better than most of the other shit other videogames have to offer. The storylines are fun for me
4. lol
5. Awesome boss fights and stealth gameplay. Sure, all the cinematics will probably get old with some people but I find it a great mix

Also, Splinter Cell is boring for me. I never cared about the storyline in any of the games either. METAL GEAR, KOJIMA! I LOVE YOU

[bud]

Any of the Metal Gear Solid games.

1. Stealth is not fun and has ruined many other games
2. If he's stealthy, why is he so fucking slow? Ninjas are fast, ninjas are stealthy. 
3. Kojima is a shitty writer
4. Homosexual gender identity undercurrents large enough to birth an aircraft carrier
5. TOO MUCH WATCHING NOT ENOUGH INTERACTING

Eh

1. Subjective honestly. There are people who like stealth gameplay
2. When was he ever a Ninja? Hes a soldier, not a sandal wearing Jappa that can climb walls
3. He probably is but its better than most of the other shit other videogames have to offer. The storylines are fun for me
4. lol
5. Awesome boss fights and stealth gameplay. Sure, all the cinematics will probably get old with some people but I find it a great mix

Also, Splinter Cell is boring for me. I never cared about the storyline in any of the games either. METAL GEAR, KOJIMA! I LOVE YOU

 

[Himu]

how does the steath (?) work?

Enemies can see you across the screen if you're standing out in the open, in order to make them not see you, you use different camo types to blend in with the environment.

You can use multiple things to go about being stealthy. There is no radar like in the other games so guards don't have coned vision, so you must look around your surrounds in order to find out how many guards are in the area, where they are, so you take them on one at a time. You can utilize multiple things to trick guards. You can tear up the ropes on a bridge, trick them so they follow you across and fall to their deaths. You can break out an alligator hat and when in water, pretend to be an alligator and the guards won't notice you. You can shoot a bee hive from the trees to make the guards run away. You can capture a poisonous snake, throw it at the guard, and make him get bit and die, and then snatch up the snake again.

MGS3 is the ultimate stealth game. Whoever says otherwise is lol, and the best part is that you don't have to use stealth. You can go all rambo if you want.

Splinter Cell fucking sucks. The funny thing is that the people who bring up the cutscene complaint haven't even played MGS3, which barely has cutscenes or mandatory codec transmissions.

[Ellrick]

Halo, without a doubt.

From the river dance music, to the ultra repetitive game play, to the aesthetic design which looks like Larry Hammas diarrhea after hours at the all you can eat salad bar, maybe with a little HR Giger swirled in. Cant forget the writing "your world will burn till it is but glass" or "that you might escape the coming fire", Ive heard better shit from Nicktoons. The fact that it is considered to be on par with Half Life 1 or 2, and even considered to be better by a truly distinguished mentally-challenged few (Border) is madness.

[Van Cruncheon]

halo ce is the best frickin' co-op experience ever, though.

[Ellrick]

halo ce is the best frickin' co-op experience ever, though.

Ever hear of sex?

Ok so yay, you can play a crap game with a friend, weeeeee.

[Van Cruncheon]

sex isn't co-op, it's VERSUS, you weepy vagine.

sorry, you can't tell me that i didn't have the best videogaming co-op time EVAR when I played through the campaign with MAF and my brother. it fuckin' ruled. it gave me a boner hard enough to generate its own gravitational pull. halo 2 was shite in comparison.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

sex isn't co-op, it's VERSUS, you weepy vagine.

and like Halo, the best games require four controller ports

[Ellrick]

sex isn't co-op, it's VERSUS, you weepy vagine.

sorry, you can't tell me that i didn't have the best videogaming co-op time EVAR when I played through the campaign with MAF and my brother. it fuckin' ruled. it gave me a boner hard enough to generate its own gravitational pull. halo 2 was shite in comparison.

I dont care how much your boner got pulled by MAF and your brother, you cant tell me that you wouldnt have had just as much of a good time having gay sex while playing Serious Sam, or Diakatana.

[Saint Cornelius]

Diakatana.

oh come on man, NOBODY had fun playing that.

[Ellrick]

Diakatana > Gaylo

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[Saint Cornelius]

I saw him at that E3 and his fucking hair was luxurious, total.