Robert Downey Jr. playing Iron Man

[rocketman]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/29/film.ironman.reut/index.html

DISCUSS

[Phoenix Dark]

Wow, way to ruin a potential blockbuster Marvel.

They should have waited for Tom Cruise, as well as a better director. They had enough money to pull that off; instead their going to rush the movie out before it's time. I can't believe this. CRUISE IS TONK STARK. Give him the hair from Last Samurai and bam you have it nailed.

Outside of Spiderman 3, they don't have anything huge planned for the future.

[rocketman]

Robert Downey Jr. is a good actor, asshold.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Robert Downey Jr. is a good actor, asshold.

True. PD just doesn't have a shred of taste, is all...

[Phoenix Dark]

Robert Downey Jr. is a good actor, asshold.

Fuck I know that. But he's not fucking Tony Stark.

[The Fake Shemp]

Pretty inspired choice.  PhoenixDark proves, once again, he sucks at movies.

[Phoenix Dark]

You guys suck, as this movie will now. They should have waited for Cruise.

CRUISE=TONY STARK

[MrAngryFace]

Well Robert Downey Jr has probably done enough drugs to give him a weak heart, so that would make him a good fit lolz.

[BobbyRobby]

I like

[The Fake Shemp]

Well Robert Downey Jr has probably done enough drugs to give him a weak heart, so that would make him a good fit lolz.

Tom Cruise would be the worst pick in the world for Iron Man.

[Van Cruncheon]

wtf

i thought this was gonna be a cool guitar hero thread

instead i get yer marvel crap

[Phoenix Dark]

Well Robert Downey Jr has probably done enough drugs to give him a weak heart, so that would make him a good fit lolz.

Tom Cruise would be the worst pick in the world for Iron Man.

LIES

Cruise would be the perfect cocky, arrogant, asshole that Tony Starks is.

[The Fake Shemp]

But Tony Stark isn't a cocky, arrogant asshole.  There's a depth and vulnerability to the character that separates him from others.  You suck at comics/casting/etc.

Cruise is a one dimensional actor and he's crazy.  Robert Downey is not only a billion times better than Cruise in terms of acting performances, the guy has personally dealt with substance abuse and is able to display the duality of the character that Cruise never can.

Stay away from movie sets.

[Phoenix Dark]

But Tony Stark isn't a cocky, arrogant asshole.  There's a depth and vulnerability to the character that separates him from others.  You suck at comics/casting/etc.

Cruise is a one dimensional actor and he's crazy.  Robert Downey is not only a billion times better than Cruise in terms of acting performances, the guy has personally dealt with substance abuse and is able to display the duality of the character that Cruise never can.

Stay away from movie sets.

Starks isn't a cock, arrogant asshole? You suck at comic history Willco. Starks was created as the anti-Bruce Wayne: a filthy rich playboy who actually lived and acted like one. Similar to Wayne's portrayal in Batman Begins. THAT's what Stark's character was originally created as. A man so wounded that he had to put on an act - one as the super cool playboy and the other as the invincible Ironman - in order to hide his mental and physical scars.

[The Fake Shemp]

Batman also originally shot people with guns, but the character has changed.  Superman didn't originally fly.  Who gives a shit what Iron Man #1 is; the character as he exists today is an emotionally vulnerable man, who has two faces (sometimes three), much like Batman as he exists today. You practically admitted so in your last post.

Cruise could only play one side, if that, of Tony Stark.  And he's a horrible actor to boot.  Paramount did the right thing and got a legitimately good thespian to play the armored one.

[Phoenix Dark]

Batman also originally shot people with guns, but the character has changed.  Superman didn't originally fly.  Who gives a shit what Iron Man #1 is; the character as he exists today is an emotionally vulnerable man, who has two faces (sometimes three), much like Batman as he exists today. You practically admitted so in your last post.

Cruise could only play one side, if that, of Tony Stark.  And he's a horrible actor to boot.  Paramount did the right thing and got a legitimately good thespian to play the armored one.

Aren't you the same person who complained about how untruthful Superman Returns was to the character? Lol my god. Yes Starks has changed, but this movie is going to go over his origin. It makes perfect sense to portray him as the fraile yet outspoken badass he is.

Cruise is not a horrible actor. Stop drinking the kool-aid and think for yourself. Ever seen A Few Good Men, or Rain Man, or Jerry McGuire? You're such a fucking poser with respect to cinema. You talk as if you're an expert, but in the end you don't know shit; White Man and many other people who are serious about film make you look like a complete ass. Stop trying to stay up with everyone else and think for yourself.

[The Fake Shemp]

Aren't you the same person who complained about how untruthful Superman Returns was to the character?

No, I complained the script sucked and botched the archtype, and - lo, behold! - I was right.  Superman Returns sucked.

Also, I was one of the biggest supporters of the film until the script review was leaked.  Ask White Man for yourself.

Cruise is not a horrible actor. Stop drinking the kool-aid and think for yourself. Ever seen A Few Good Men, or Rain Man, or Jerry McGuire?

Yeah, he plays the same guy in every fucking movie!

You're such a fucking poser with respect to cinema. You talk as if you're an expert, but in the end you don't know shit; White Man and many other people who are serious about film make you look like a complete ass.

Sucking up to White Man won't help you. He's not going to march in here and go, "Fuck yeah!" when we have far more intelligent discussions about film then you can dream about Mister "KEVIN SMITH MADE DAREDEVIL".

Stop trying to stay up with everyone else and think for yourself.

I've been on the Tom Cruise hate wagon for a long time.  I don't think you can really track down a time where I said - holy crap! - he's amazing and then turned my back on him because he went crazy.  Him going crazy just gave me the ability to hate him in public without persecution!

I mean, I guess if you like dudes (lolz), he's nice to look at.

[Phoenix Dark]

So his character in Rain Man is the same as his character in Vanilla Sky? Wow.

Is his preformance in those movies (A Few Good Men, etc) great or not? Answer the question. What a biased tard bucket.

You're a poser

No, I complained the script sucked and botched the archtype, and - lo, behold! - I was right.  Superman Returns sucked.

Also, I was one of the biggest supporters of the film until the script review was leaked.  Ask White Man for yourself.

Superman Returns rocked

[The Fake Shemp]

So his character in Rain Man is the same as his character in Vanilla Sky? Wow.

Pretty much.  Tom Cruise plays Tom Cruise in just about every movie he's been in save for Magnolia, which is a muted Cruise.  He's a mediocre actor, but he looks good and used to have a charming public demeanor that would put asses in seats.

Is his preformance in those movies (A Few Good Men, etc) great or not? Answer the question. What a biased tard bucket.

No, they're just okay.  He's got absolutely no range.  The good movies he in are usually due to them being - gasp! - well written or directed.  I don't think I can think of any Cruise movie where his performance stood out as the best or even close to the best.  Jack Nicholson stole every scene he was in, by the way.

You're a poser

And you think Kevin Smith made Daredevil, we can't all be awesome.

Superman Returns rocked

No, not really.  Not even your champion of cinema, the serious critic that is White Man, will back you on this.  He hated it more than I!

[Phoenix Dark]

Pretty much.  Tom Cruise plays Tom Cruise in just about every movie he's been in save for Magnolia, which is a muted Cruise.  He's a mediocre actor, but he looks good and used to have a charming public demeanor that would put asses in seats.

He still puts people in seats (even in dead franchise movies like MI:III). Your point?
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=mi3.htm
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=waroftheworlds.htm

No, they're just okay.  He's got absolutely no range.  The good movies he in are usually due to them being - gasp! - well written or directed.  I don't think I can think of any Cruise movie where his performance stood out as the best or even close to the best.  Jack Nicholson stole every scene he was in, by the way.

Nicholson is one of the great actors of our time. I wouldn't compare him to Cruise. Cruise more than holds his own, and has great preformances in Rain Man and Jerry McGuire too.

No, not really.  Not even your champion of cinema, the serious critic that is White Man, will back you on this.  He hated it more than I!

You both are wrong on Superman Returns.

Batman Begins>Spiderman 2>Superman Returns>Spiderman>everything else

(V for Vendetta not included since it's not really a "comic" movie like those mentioned about)

[The Fake Shemp]

He still puts people in seats (even in dead franchise movies like MI:III). Your point?
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=mi3.htm
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=waroftheworlds.htm

Uh, you kind of disprove your point.  First off, both are pre-existing licenses with their own fan bases.  Second, Mission: Impossible III was considered a failure by Paramount, which is why they've dumped Cruise altogether.  Third, are you going to say Cruise is responsible for the success of a Spielberg helmed adaptation of a hugely popular novel about aliens blowing shit up?  Spielberg's name is the draw, not Cruise.

Nicholson is one of the great actors of our time. I wouldn't compare him to Cruise. Cruise more than holds his own, and has great preformances in Rain Man and Jerry McGuire too.

He's just okay.  Rain Man was sold by Dustin Hoffman, and Jerry McGuire's most memorable parts are courtesy of Cameron Crowe, not fucking Cruise.

You both are wrong on Superman Returns.

Probably not.

[Phoenix Dark]

Uh, you kind of disprove your point.  First off, both are pre-existing licenses with their own fan bases.  Second, Mission: Impossible III was considered a failure by Paramount, which is why they've dumped Cruise altogether.  Third, are you going to say Cruise is responsible for the success of a Spielberg helmed adaptation of a hugely popular novel about aliens blowing shit up?  Spielberg's name is the draw, not Cruise.

Where did Paramount say MI:III was a "failure"? Got a quote? I would like to see that. War of the Worlds was not hurt at all by Cruise's behavior either.

[The Fake Shemp]

Where did Paramount say MI:III was a "failure"? Got a quote? I would like to see that.

Yeah, Paramount dumped Cruise, his production company and kicked him off the franchise in public because M:I 3 was a success!  How fucking distinguished mentally-challenged are you?

Haha, you even quote BoxOfficeMojo, whose own premiere box office analyst said of M:I 3, "... This franchise will self-destruct in three movies."

War of the Worlds was not hurt at all by Cruise's behavior either.

Again, it's a movie based on a hugely popular novel with a dedicated fan base (it's already had movies and shows and comics) directed by the biggest director in the world.  Stephen Spielberg could direct a movie called, "I'm Going to Poop on PhoenixDark's Chest" and it'd still make at least $80 million.

[Cheebs]

Steven Spielberg + summer blockbuster = $200 million without trying, the Tom Cruise factor was not in effect due to Spielberg.

Indiana Jones IV could be twice as worse as The Phantom Menace but it will still do over $200 million.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, without Spielberg and it being based on the novel, Tom Cruise fighting aliens would be LOL-worthy and a huge bomb.

[Phoenix Dark]

Where did Paramount say MI:III was a "failure"? Got a quote? I would like to see that.

Yeah, Paramount dumped Cruise, his production company and kicked him off the franchise in public because M:I 3 was a success!  How fucking distinguished mentally-challenged are you?

Haha, you even quote BoxOfficeMojo, whose own premiere box office analyst said of M:I 3, "... This franchise will self-destruct in three movies."

War of the Worlds was not hurt at all by Cruise's behavior either.

Again, it's a movie based on a hugely popular novel with a dedicated fan base (it's already had movies and shows and comics) directed by the biggest director in the world.  Stephen Spielberg could direct a movie called, "I'm Going to Poop on PhoenixDark's Chest" and it'd still make at least $80 million.

Paramount was tired of putting up with Cruise's Tony Starks-esque asshole personality, and they also balked at his multi million dollar demands. Do your research son.

Again, it's a movie based on a hugely popular novel with a dedicated fan base (it's already had movies and shows and comics) directed by the biggest director in the world.  Stephen Spielberg could direct a movie called, "I'm Going to Poop on PhoenixDark's Chest" and it'd still make at least $80 million.

Munich and the Terminal disagree with you

[Phoenix Dark]

Yeah, without Spielberg and it being based on the novel, Tom Cruise fighting aliens would be LOL-worthy and a huge bomb.

Like Independance Day? lol stfu

[whiteACID]

EVILBORE: MAYBE IF WE ALL TALK IN CAPS OUR WISHES WILL COME TRUE?!?!MAYBE IF WE ALL TALK IN CAPS OUR WISHES WILL COME TRUE?!?!

[Cyanista]

Superman Returns did suck.  Superman is not a fucking emofag, thanks.

[The Fake Shemp]

Paramount was tired of putting up with Cruise's Tony Starks-esque asshole personality, and they also balked at his multi million dollar demands. Do your research son.

Haha, get real.  If you make money, and ask for more money, they're not going to dump if you a proven money maker.  What - is Universal going to tell Peter Jackson that he can't have outrageous sums of money?  No, he fucking is Peter Jackson.  That's the most distinguished mentally-challenged thing in the world.

I read trades - you don't.  Redstone dumped Cruise because M:I 3 was a failure, and Cruise's share of the gross was so large that it left Paramount with nothing.  He's not bankable anymore.  That was in Variety.  And the Hollywood Reporter.  Do your research, son.

(as always, you look like you know nothing right now, btw)

Munich and the Terminal disagree with you

O RLY?

THE TERMINAL

Domestic:  $77,872,883    35.6%
+ Foreign:  $140,813,273    64.4%
----------------------------------
= Worldwide:  $218,686,156   


MUNICH

Domestic:  $47,403,685    37.1%
+ Foreign:  $80,349,539    62.9%
--------------------------------
= Worldwide:  $127,753,224   

... Better do your research, son!

[Phoenix Dark]

Haha, get real.  If you make money, and ask for more money, they're not going to dump if you a proven money maker.  What - is Universal going to tell Peter Jackson that he can't have outrageous sums of money?  No, he fucking is Peter Jackson.  That's the most distinguished mentally-challenged thing in the world.

I read trades - you don't.  Redstone dumped Cruise because M:I 3 was a failure, and Cruise's share of the gross was so large that it left Paramount with nothing.  He's not bankable anymore.  That was in Variety.  And the Hollywood Reporter.  Do your research, son.

Funny New Line tried to dropped him (Jackson) AND tried to steal his shit

DAMMIT. Munich and Terminal made less than $80 million in the US. I WIN BITCH

[The Fake Shemp]

Funny New Line tried to dropped him (Jackson) AND tried to steal his shit

Uh, he's never had a deal with New Line after Lord of the Rings, and he was never in jeopardy of losing his job on that project after FOTR rocked it out in theatres.  Nobody has balked at his multi-million dollar deals, because he makes money.  You make money, you get money.  Simple concept.

Tom Cruise will now join the illustrious group of Hollywood eccentrics that want too much money and don't deliver - Francis Ford Coppola comes to mind.

DAMMIT. Munich and Terminal made less than $80 million in the US. I WIN BITCH

You never said domestic gross, and I never specified that - because I know Spielberg is an international draw.  You lost and you still look silly.

[Phoenix Dark]

Funny New Line tried to dropped him (Jackson) AND tried to steal his shit

Uh, he's never had a deal with New Line after Lord of the Rings, and he was never in jeopardy of losing his job on that project after FOTR rocked it out in theatres.  Nobody has balked at his multi-million dollar deals, because he makes money.  You make money, you get money.  Simple concept.

Tom Cruise will now join the illustrious group of Hollywood eccentrics that want too much money and don't deliver - Francis Ford Coppola comes to mind.

DAMMIT. Munich and Terminal made less than $80 million in the US. I WIN BITCH

You never said domestic gross, and I never specified that - because I know Spielberg is an international draw.  You lost and you still look silly.

New Line shanked Jackson as much as possible.

Cruise will make another hit movie and you'll be eating your words. And until then, as always, FUCK LOGIC

New tag ftw

[The Fake Shemp]

Peter Jackson made a shitload of money off of Lord of the Rings - I don't think he's complaining.

And I don't think Cruise is incapable of starring in a hit movie, but he's no longer the A-List draw he used to be.  In the right vehicle, like War of the Worlds, with the right director, script and release - he can still make a studio some money.  But when a film is put on his shoulders, like as it was with M:I-3, he will continue to disappoint.  He's now a joke; a celebrity freak on par with Michael Jackson.  And look what that did to his career.

[Phoenix Dark]

Peter Jackson made a shitload of money off of Lord of the Rings - I don't think he's complaining.

And I don't think Cruise is incapable of starring in a hit movie, but he's no longer the A-List draw he used to be.  In the right vehicle, like War of the Worlds, with the right director, script and release - he can still make a studio some money.  But when a film is put on his shoulders, like as it was with M:I-3, he will continue to disappoint.  He's now a joke; a celebrity freak on par with Michael Jackson.  And look what that did to his career.

Um Jackson recently said he'd never work with New Line again. They shanked him

MI:III was a sequel to an already old and uninteresting franchise. It's no wonder it didn't do great, especially considering it wasn't nearly the best summer blockbuster. People just weren't interested in the series.

I look forward to Cruise's next huge hit movie.

Jackson? Jackson can't sell 500,000 copies off a new album (NOT greatest hits shit). Cruise will get at least $100 million on whatever movie he makes. His next action movie will be a hit, no doubt about it.

[The Fake Shemp]

No no no, I'd love to make another film for New Line.

Foot insert mouth.  How stupid can you look today, PhoenixDark?

Fixed the URL hyperlink for great justice!

[Phoenix Dark]

LINK DOESN'T WORK

I'm stll right!

[The Fake Shemp]

Uh yeah it does.  You should just stop today.  I'll pardon you.

[Phoenix Dark]

Uh yeah it does.  You should just stop today.  I'll pardon you.

Ok I see it now.

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I give up; you were right about New Line. But I stand by the Cruise stuff

WILLCO FORGIVE ME

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Uh yeah it does.  You should just stop today.  I'll pardon you.

He should just hang himself with barbed wire....

[Phoenix Dark]

Batman Returns>Spiderman 2

[Van Cruncheon]

fuck, Garden State > Spiderman 2!

[The Fake Shemp]

Why are you trying to hurt me.

[Van Cruncheon]

I'm just making sure the callouses are thick when Crystal's parents watertable you. Hey, it's legal now!

[Catz]

Robert Downey Jr.? Yuuuck, he's just sleazy. Bad choice.

[Phoenix Dark]

Robert Downey Jr.? Yuuuck, he's just sleazy. Bad choice.

A SUPPORTER

[The Fake Shemp]

Catz also likes Okami.

[Bacon]

Stark is pretty sleezy....

[Catz]

This just in: Courtney Love cast as Wonder Woman

[The Fake Shemp]

I still think Lynda Carter is pretty cute.

[etiolate]

This is great. Now you can watch Wonder Boys and see the afterglow of Iron Man fucking Spiderman in the ass all night.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

I...... don't get it.....

[Van Cruncheon]

Watch Wonder Boys and you will.

[Phoenix Dark]

This just in: Courtney Love cast as Wonder Woman

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She could get high from drinking her breastmilk. What a tramp

[brawndolicious]

She could get high from drinking her breastmilk. What a tramp

You saw that on Law & Order.