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« Reply #660 on: November 13, 2007, 05:33:49 PM »
What percentage of European income goes towards taxes?

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« Reply #661 on: November 13, 2007, 05:34:25 PM »
Nothing, the free market will work it out.

And when it's 20 degrees hotter in July I'm sure the free market will have lots of solutions for that, too.

Is it 20 degrees hotter?  :lol

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« Reply #662 on: November 13, 2007, 05:37:20 PM »
What percentage of European income goes towards taxes?

They work 35 hour work weeks, have a lower obsesity rate despite having far better food and beer, never have to pay to go to the doctor, live longer than Americans, have better quality air and land, have decent public transportation, and their women are way, way hotter.

I don't know the percentage off hand, but I'd say it's worth it!
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« Reply #663 on: November 13, 2007, 05:37:41 PM »
Nothing, the free market will work it out.

And when it's 20 degrees hotter in July I'm sure the free market will have lots of solutions for that, too.

Is it 20 degrees hotter?  :lol

Not yet, nowadays it's only about 5-7 degrees hotter. But it'll be 20 degrees hotter by 2040 at the rate we're going.
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« Reply #664 on: November 13, 2007, 05:38:30 PM »
Why are you guys worried about what other people pay in taxes. If you want health care for the poor so bad then give many to the right organizations.

Just do your part and try to convince other people to do the same. Don't force your way using an authoritarian government.

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« Reply #665 on: November 13, 2007, 05:39:15 PM »
What percentage of European income goes towards taxes?

They work 35 hour work weeks, have a lower obsesity rate despite having far better food and beer, never have to pay to go to the doctor, live longer than Americans, have better quality air and land, have decent public transportation, and their women are way, way hotter.

I don't know the percentage off hand, but I'd say it's worth it!


If its so great, then why are you living here?

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« Reply #666 on: November 13, 2007, 05:39:37 PM »

Just do your part and try to convince other people to do the same.
We don't have to. The majority of the country already want to help the poor. WITH UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. Why convince the majority when the majority is on our side?
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« Reply #667 on: November 13, 2007, 05:40:24 PM »
Alright. I promised myself I wouldn’t do this, but I am going to waste my breath and try to inject a little nuance and comprehension into FoC’s binary worldview. My mistake, I’m sure.

First, these hilarious assumptions about the Constitution (and the Amendments), and its rhetorical treatment as dogma for the Ron Paul set need to be addressed, if only to take the stupidity off the table altogether. Let’s be clear, here: the strengths of Ron Paul’s Bible aka the US Constitution are threefold: it is minimalist; it is enumerated; and it is self-correcting. Unsurprisingly, these three strengths render it unfit as an aegis in arguments, since it not only suggests necessary interpretation, it demands it. Article Six alone must give Herr Doktor Ron fits.

Unsurprisingly, Ron Paul –- and by sad association, FoC and his duh-hyucking Texas cohort –- make the classic Scalia Fallacy in assuming that the Constitutional minimalism is not a deliberately pragmatic application but instead an academic one: that the minimalist can be extrpolated as METAPHOR, and is not a deliberate approach designed to satisfy competing polarized interests from that period. The primary thrust of the Anti-Federalists was, eponymously, the bugbear of states’ rights – and just as it is now, it was a codeword back then for OWNING BLACK PEOPLE. Hell, we even codified that as the 3/5ths Rule! The Constitution does not imply minimal government any more now than it did back then – and if you disagree, the ghosts of John Adams and Alex Hamilton (lol pwned) would like to have a word with you. (Again, this does not justify the chronic elitism of the Federalists any more than it justifies the chronic racism of the Anti-Federalists.)

The Constitution was drawn up as a general appeasement for BOTH SIDES –- well, and to banish the specter of the Articles of Confederation -- and its minimalism is designed to allow BOTH interpretations, suggesting that Ron Paul is no more the candidate for the Constitution than Dennis Kucinich is.  The Amendments are all artifacts of their respective time periods, and are simply no more than changes to the Constitution deemed necessary in a given era of this country.

My primary beef with Ron Paul is the utter disingenuousness of his speech and arguments. To the uneducated, the simplicity of his interpretation seems like “plain talkin’” in a political era where bullshit does indeed rule discussion, but to those with some semblance of education, it reeks of total disingenuousness and poorly-nuanced populism. It’s all ideology and no practicality. And when I see “plain talkin’,” I immediately smell the other brand of bullshit –- the kind that doesn’t stink due to verbosity, but rather due to an absence of meaning; a vacuum that anticipates the stench to fill it. In this case –- as “states’ rights” has ever suggested –- the nose is quite specifically not turned up at racists, paranoiacs, closet fascists, LaRouchian apoplectics, and the collective sociopathic aggrieved of America who regularly rely on open interpretations to disavow any notion that their shit might stink. In Ron Paul’s America, it’s okay to be any of the above, because -- DISINGENUOUSLY -- one shouldn’t tread on another man’s right to be a freaky-deaky cretin!  “Oh,” shrugs Doktor Paul, a glibly beatific expression poorly-affixed on his gawky features, “I may not agree with what Joe Bob Darkiehater here says, but I will defend to my death his right to say it!” So what happens when, without public censure, these groups organize and get power, Mister Paul, as they so often do? When will you learn the opposing maxim that “silence indicates assent” for those of a fascist leaning? Oh, that’s right, you ignore THAT interpretation when your silent assent helps fill your campaign coffers!

The utter silliness of Paul’s gold standard support and his hardline immigration stance –- as well as his ideology-first Iraq withdrawal strategy –- merit serious question. These three stances alone suggest that he prefers his plain talkin’ rhetoric to realistic and measured solutions, since they are all easily demonstrated as nonviable under the conditions in which this country exists. They are appeasements to a specific demographic –- and they are wholly semantic, which is the very definition of disingenuousness. To FoC, this makes Ron Paul a straight shooter who merits unflagging loyalty; to me, it suggests a manipulative scoundrel.

As for the Great Very White Hope that is a reduced Federal Government: Paul, FoC, and the rest of Team Tinfoil have done nothing but complain about the expansion of executive powers under the Bush Administration, yet never have they suggested that Ron Paul is anything other than a shallow and reactionary “solution.” They have NOT demonstrated why most of the Democratic candidates –- who have also suggested ameliorating and correcting the egregious abuses of the Bush White House -- have nonviable approaches. They, in their binary view, require a rapid polarization of the situation, where ONE PRESIDENT’S TYRANNY suggests a wholesale dismantling of federal powers, or at least those powers and offices they view as unworthy despite countless perspectives otherwise from rational folk who no more have tyranny in their hearts than the tinfoilers do, and probably less.

All that can honestly be concluded from the vocal minority support of Ron Paul is that the Bush Presidency and the gleefully smug rhetoric from the left have driven certain American elements into a polarized state – and that Doktor Paul has capitalized on it. Beyond that, there’s nothing of substance in the Paul campaign, and that’s why I find the shallow jingoism of the Paulites so fuckin’ insulting.

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« Reply #668 on: November 13, 2007, 05:42:26 PM »

Not yet, nowadays it's only about 5-7 degrees hotter. But it'll be 20 degrees hotter by 2040 at the rate we're going.

And this is all because we dont have a carbon tax?  :lol

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« Reply #669 on: November 13, 2007, 05:43:24 PM »

Just do your part and try to convince other people to do the same.
We don't have to. The majority of the country already want to help the poor. WITH UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. Why convince the majority when the majority is on our side?

Then if the majority of the people want to do it, then why arent they? Why do they need the government to help the poor?

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« Reply #670 on: November 13, 2007, 05:45:50 PM »

Just do your part and try to convince other people to do the same.
We don't have to. The majority of the country already want to help the poor. WITH UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. Why convince the majority when the majority is on our side?

Then if the majority of the people want to do it, then why arent they? Why do they need the government to help the poor?

They want to help the government help the poor.  The government is capable of performing actions and implementing social changes on a scale that no individual or even private organization can accomplish. And universal health care is seen as an important enough issue that most people want the government to get their hands dirty.
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« Reply #671 on: November 13, 2007, 05:54:20 PM »
JOHN EDWARDS 2008

I love me some john edwards but I am curious how well he would be doing if Obama didn't jump in due to the pressure from the media and activists. Obama and Edwards both being in the "top tier" fucks both of them up.
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« Reply #672 on: November 13, 2007, 05:56:08 PM »
Shorter PP: Ron Paul is dogmatic and stupid, and you need to believe in a completely binary version of politics in order to support him.

I'll buy that.

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« Reply #673 on: November 13, 2007, 05:59:32 PM »
My PP takeaway: "Straight talk" disguises vacuity, and fascism fills in the edges.
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« Reply #674 on: November 13, 2007, 06:04:39 PM »
I google image searched ron paul and this came up. I think it represents ron paul fans pretty well personally.
Ron Paul fans, the lolcats of politics.
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« Reply #675 on: November 13, 2007, 06:14:53 PM »
'Nother thing.  Libertarians are almost as bad as centrists for committing the pundit's fallacy.

"There is a great untapped mass of people who believe what I believe, and only the smoke and mirrors of politics are keeping it from becoming a movement!"

If you really think the voting public is aching for a miniarchist state, check this out.  69% of people think "Government should care for those who can't care for themselves", and it's been trending up for a decade.  Look at how little Reagan actually did to dismantle Great Society and New Deal programs, even when he had a GOP Senate.  Look at the 94 Republican Revolution failure to do anything besides welfare reform.  Look at Bush running into a brick wall when he talked SS privatization (but succeeding in a massive expansion of Medicare).  Etc.

The public is generally bitchy towards government as a concept, but that never translates to actual support for dismantling the welfare state.

If Ron Paul's ideas were actually popular, candidates would be jumping on his bandwagon to capitalize on the untapped wellspring of votes.  They're not.

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« Reply #676 on: November 13, 2007, 06:15:14 PM »
he gay boy, how about this idea.

Healthcare for people who want it. We have a system of government run healthcare. If you want it you pay the tax for it (+5% income or whatever). If you dont want it then you dont pay for it and you dont get it.

It's a win win situation.

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« Reply #677 on: November 13, 2007, 06:17:34 PM »
What about people who are unemployed and thus have no income to elect to pay the extra tax on? Do they not get health care?*

*NOTE: This is how our current system works lol
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« Reply #678 on: November 13, 2007, 06:17:58 PM »
he gay boy, how about this idea.

Healthcare for people who want it. We have a system of government run healthcare. If you want it you pay the tax for it (+5% income or whatever). If you dont want it then you dont pay for it and you dont get it.

It's a win win situation.

I can tell you've really read up on this!

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« Reply #679 on: November 13, 2007, 06:18:07 PM »
Ron Paul and LOLCats are two internet fads that have long worn out their novelty.

As for PP's remarks, it's not as much the dogmatism as it is the outright disingenous nature of their arguments that I find so maddening. The nuance and complexity of real world situations and reality are factored out purely for the sake of "real talk" style sound bite and argument, and that makes for shitty political talk. Others here in this thread agree, to some extent, hence the mockery.

For the layman, there should be a simple voting maxim-if a candidate's big tent includes secessionists, white power fringe groups, and the timothy mcveigh fanclub, you MIGHT want to not vote for the duder.

Edwards would still be behind Hillary if Obama wasn't in the race. If Edwards can't get traction here in NC, he really can't get it anywhere, and I don't think Obama has much to do with his poor showing here in this state.
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« Reply #680 on: November 13, 2007, 06:18:57 PM »
Hey PAtel didnt you vote for Nader?

http://www.newsgroper.com/ralph-nader/2007/11/13/ron-paul-enima-america/
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Unless my campaign starts showing some signs of life, I might just vote for him next November.


 :o :o :o :o

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« Reply #681 on: November 13, 2007, 06:19:50 PM »
What about people who are unemployed and thus have no income to elect to pay the extra tax on? Do they not get health care?*

*NOTE: This is how our current system works lol

They can ge  healthcare in the way the system I provides. It would be healthcare for all who pay for it and all who cannot afford it.

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« Reply #682 on: November 13, 2007, 06:20:14 PM »
Hey PAtel didnt you vote for Nader?

http://www.newsgroper.com/ralph-nader/2007/11/13/ron-paul-enima-america/
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Unless my campaign starts showing some signs of life, I might just vote for him next November.


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how can he vote for someone in november who will be voted off the ballots in a little over a month and half.
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« Reply #683 on: November 13, 2007, 06:21:52 PM »
Hey Patel didnt you vote for Nader?

Yes, but I was young and stupid. Like you.
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« Reply #684 on: November 13, 2007, 06:23:59 PM »
he gay boy, how about this idea.

Healthcare for people who want it. We have a system of government run healthcare. If you want it you pay the tax for it (+5% income or whatever). If you dont want it then you dont pay for it and you dont get it.

It's a win win situation.

who pays for you when you get diagnosed with THE CANCER if you don't pay for it and don't have any coverage? or do we just let you die?

salus populi suprema lex esto is as true now as it was in republican rome and is as true when locke requoted it centuries ago. Government's primary responsibility is for the welfare and well-being of all its residents, because if the security of their personal welfare is in questions, the residents will blame the government for it and demand that security from their government.
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« Reply #685 on: November 13, 2007, 06:25:50 PM »
Frag, apparently FoC has worked out the numbers such that he doesn't have to pay for it, but all the poor people are still covered. It's mathemagical!
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« Reply #686 on: November 13, 2007, 06:27:46 PM »
Well, FoC didn't say anything about excluding pre-existing conditions.  So you just wait until you get sick, sign up and pay the surtax, get treated, and then stop paying when you're cured (or dead, if it doesn't stick).

I'm sure that wouldn't create any sort of moral hazard or massive funding issues!

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« Reply #687 on: November 13, 2007, 06:29:31 PM »
Well, FoC didn't say anything about excluding pre-existing conditions.  So you just wait until you get sick, sign up and pay the surtax, get treated, and then stop paying when you're cured (or dead, if it doesn't stick).

I'm sure that wouldn't create any sort of moral hazard or massive funding issues!

That sounds scarily like the Hellgate: London elite subscription model! EUREKA BILL ROPER HAS SOLVED HEALTH CARE.
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« Reply #688 on: November 13, 2007, 06:30:39 PM »
from time to time we will character wipe the poors

the degree to which FoC is ignoring all the actual discussion going on is intensely awesome
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« Reply #689 on: November 13, 2007, 06:39:48 PM »

the degree to which FoC is ignoring all the actual discussion going on is intensely awesome
he prefers posting pictures of excited college students who never show up to vote in the first place in a general election and likely dont have a clue what a primary is.

but they are wearing ron paul stickers!
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« Reply #690 on: November 13, 2007, 06:44:39 PM »
who pays for you when you get diagnosed with THE CANCER if you don't pay for it and don't have any coverage?
Who's fault is it for not having free healthcare?  :lol :lol
Your argument fails.

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« Reply #691 on: November 13, 2007, 06:44:53 PM »
from time to time we will character wipe the poors

the degree to which FoC is ignoring all the actual discussion going on is intensely awesome

What am I ignoring?

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« Reply #692 on: November 13, 2007, 06:46:00 PM »

Well, FoC didn't say anything about excluding pre-existing conditions.  So you just wait until you get sick, sign up and pay the surtax, get treated, and then stop paying when you're cured (or dead, if it doesn't stick).

I'm sure that wouldn't create any sort of moral hazard or massive funding issues!

It would work just like healthcare works now, only the government provides it.

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« Reply #693 on: November 13, 2007, 06:47:06 PM »
from time to time we will character wipe the poors

the degree to which FoC is ignoring all the actual discussion going on is intensely awesome

What am I ignoring?

Anything in the incredibly thorough and well-thought out multiparagraph response that Drinky posted.
Refusing to acknowledge any difference between the capabilities of the federal government and a private organization.
Everything Frag has been saying about social contracts and the relationship between a government and its citizens.
Explaining how your "system" funds health care for people who can't afford it while still allowing people to opt-out.

And that's just this page!
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« Reply #694 on: November 13, 2007, 06:47:51 PM »
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=51343

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Ron Paul Supporters Run Full Pg Ad in USA Today
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On either November 20, or 21, USA Today will be running a full-page, black and white ad in support of the campaign of presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-Tex), currently titled "An Open Letter to the American People."

The ad will be paid for by a wealthy Ron Paul supporter in Massachusetts who will be placing the ad on his own behalf and is not associated with the official campaign. The graphic design work is being provided out of NH, and the ad concept is the brain work of the team at www.ronpaulforums.com, sources said.

The black and white ad will emphasize the constitutional nature of the Ron Paul campaign and the foundations of his small-government, anti-tax and anti-foreign entanglements perspective.

Answers.com profiles USA Today as follows: “USA TODAY is the #1 daily newspaper in the US, with a circulation of 2.3 million. First published in 1982, it is available throughout the country and through international editions; the paper also published news on its popular Web site. … More than 60% of its paid circulation comes from newsstands, vending machines, and hotels. USA TODAY is owned by #1 newspaper publisher Gannett.”
:lol :lol :lol :lol




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« Reply #695 on: November 13, 2007, 06:49:06 PM »
So it would work like an employer-based HMO plan, only government funded?

Or it would work like the Veteran's Administration?

Or it would work like an expanded Medicare?

Or it would work like the MA plan, where the government mandates private coverage?

I don't think you're allowed to say "It would be like how health care works now" if you don't understand how health care works now.

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« Reply #696 on: November 13, 2007, 06:49:21 PM »
How do you expect to be taken seriously when any attempt to engage you in conversation or debate results in a non sequitur article link and a cavalcade of laugh emotes?
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« Reply #697 on: November 13, 2007, 06:50:03 PM »
I don't think you're allowed to say "It would be like how health care works now" if you don't understand how health care works now.

"Straight talk" means never worrying about implementation! You just tell it like it is and leave reality to the reality-based community.
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« Reply #698 on: November 13, 2007, 06:51:11 PM »

Anything in the incredibly thorough and well-thought out multiparagraph response that Drinky posted.
Refusing to acknowledge any difference between the capabilities of the federal government and a private organization.
Everything Frag has been saying about social contracts and the relationship between a government and its citizens.
Explaining how your "system" funds health care for people who can't afford it while still allowing people to opt-out.


It's good to know that you havent posted anything substantial.

Frag's arguments are basically if nazis support X then X is a nazi and you should vote for Y.
Looks and smells like a straw man. Get that shit out of here

Drinky is just trolling so Im ignoring his garbage.


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« Reply #699 on: November 13, 2007, 06:52:12 PM »
So it would work like an employer-based HMO plan, only government funded?

Or it would work like the Veteran's Administration?

Or it would work like an expanded Medicare?

Or it would work like the MA plan, where the government mandates private coverage?

I don't think you're allowed to say "It would be like how health care works now" if you don't understand how health care works now.

It would work exactly like you fegs want government run healthcare to work. Except its optional. Does that make it clear?

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« Reply #700 on: November 13, 2007, 06:53:07 PM »
How do you expect to be taken seriously when any attempt to engage you in conversation or debate results in a non sequitur article link and a cavalcade of laugh emotes?

This is a Ron Paul thread cigarillo. I cant post Ron Paul related stuff in it?

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« Reply #701 on: November 13, 2007, 06:53:50 PM »

Anything in the incredibly thorough and well-thought out multiparagraph response that Drinky posted.
Refusing to acknowledge any difference between the capabilities of the federal government and a private organization.
Everything Frag has been saying about social contracts and the relationship between a government and its citizens.
Explaining how your "system" funds health care for people who can't afford it while still allowing people to opt-out.


It's good to know that you havent posted anything substantial.

Frag's arguments are basically if nazis support X then X is a nazi and you should vote for Y.
Looks and smells like a straw man. Get that shit out of here

Drinky is just trolling so Im ignoring his garbage.



Is there anyway we can get you to up your ban bet to a suicide pact?
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« Reply #702 on: November 13, 2007, 06:54:42 PM »
So it would work like an employer-based HMO plan, only government funded?

Or it would work like the Veteran's Administration?

Or it would work like an expanded Medicare?

Or it would work like the MA plan, where the government mandates private coverage?

I don't think you're allowed to say "It would be like how health care works now" if you don't understand how health care works now.


It would work exactly like you fegs want government run healthcare to work. Except its optional. Does that make it clear?

You don't know the first thing about health care, do you?

Your ignorance is impressive, frankly. You clearly work hard to not learn anything.

Seriously, now: Do you know what is meant by a "social contract"?
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« Reply #703 on: November 13, 2007, 06:57:52 PM »

Seriously, now: Do you know what is meant by a "social contract"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

Go ahead and point out health care.

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« Reply #704 on: November 13, 2007, 06:58:35 PM »

Is there anyway we can get you to up your ban bet to a suicide pact?

You want cheebs to commit suicide?
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« Reply #705 on: November 13, 2007, 07:00:02 PM »

Seriously, now: Do you know what is meant by a "social contract"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

Go ahead and point out health care.

I think FoC read the question as "Can Google 'Social Contract' and hit the 'I'm feeling lucky!' button?"

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« Reply #706 on: November 13, 2007, 07:00:53 PM »


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

Go ahead and point out health care.

I think FoC read the question as "Can Google 'Social Contract' and hit the 'I'm feeling lucky!' button?"

I'm still waiting

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« Reply #707 on: November 13, 2007, 07:01:56 PM »
So you don't understand what a Social Contract is, then.
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« Reply #708 on: November 13, 2007, 07:02:52 PM »
So you don't understand what a Social Contract is, then.
I have, where have I said otherwise?

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« Reply #709 on: November 13, 2007, 07:04:28 PM »
So you don't understand what a Social Contract is, then.
I have, where have I said otherwise?

I'm just applying your standard of omission; where if something isn't explicitly stated in the Constitution (or on Wikipedia!) then it's patently untrue.

As you have not explicitly stated what you feel is meant by "social contract" I have no choice but to conclude that you have no ideas or understanding of the subject matter at all.

If you want to cheat you can look at what Frag said to get the Cliff Notes version.
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« Reply #710 on: November 13, 2007, 07:05:42 PM »
Im going to quote wikipedia for the sheer simplicity of it.
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The term social contract describes a broad class of philosophical theories whose subjects are the implied agreements by which people form nations and maintain a social order. In laymen's terms, this means that the people give up some rights to a government in order to receive social order.
I didn't know that healthcare is needed to keep order?
I guess all these years we weren't keeping order at all, we ere keeping non order?  :lol

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« Reply #711 on: November 13, 2007, 07:06:10 PM »
Frag's arguments are basically if nazis support X then X is a nazi and you should vote for Y.
Looks and smells like a straw man. Get that shit out of here

it's not just about support (which he has in abundance!)-it's about active consorting with those elements, which Herr Doktor has done repeatedly.

nazi candidate is nazi
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« Reply #712 on: November 13, 2007, 07:06:49 PM »
I'm just applying your standard of omission; where if something isn't explicitly stated in the Constitution (or on Wikipedia!) then it's patently untrue.
Nice try, but Im not the law. I dont need to be held to the same standards as the law of the land. Especially on a video game forum. :lol

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« Reply #713 on: November 13, 2007, 07:07:46 PM »
it's not just about support (which he has in abundance!)-it's about active consorting with those elements, which Herr Doktor has done repeatedly.

:lol :lol :lol You guys really do try so hard. I will give you credit for making up bullshit.

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« Reply #714 on: November 13, 2007, 07:08:04 PM »
Im going to quote wikipedia for the sheer simplicity of it.
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The term social contract describes a broad class of philosophical theories whose subjects are the implied agreements by which people form nations and maintain a social order. In laymen's terms, this means that the people give up some rights to a government in order to receive social order.
I didn't know that healthcare is needed to keep order?
I guess all these years we weren't keeping order at all, we ere keeping non order?  :lol

I would say that context is meaningful to the sake of any discussion revolving around modern notions of social contract in democratic and free societies, but context=nuance and clearly that's a no-no for your shit-addled brain.
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« Reply #715 on: November 13, 2007, 07:08:26 PM »
I give up, from now on I'm just going to say "Racist!" to whatever you say, and I suggest other people do the same. Since you're clearly not reading or processing anything anyone else is saying I see no idea why we should bother forming complete sentences.
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« Reply #716 on: November 13, 2007, 07:09:37 PM »
Racist!
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« Reply #717 on: November 13, 2007, 07:09:58 PM »
I give up, from now on I'm just going to say "Racist!" to whatever you say, and I suggest other people do the same.
RACIST!!!

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« Reply #718 on: November 13, 2007, 07:10:20 PM »
Racist!
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« Reply #719 on: November 13, 2007, 07:11:48 PM »
Well Patel certainly has turned this shit-heap into a jumbo curry flavored diarrhea wagon.