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« Reply #780 on: November 14, 2007, 05:36:59 PM »
can someone point me to a good debunking of the gold standard?  i'm seriously curious.  when the people in power have so much to gain, i can't take expert opinions as fact. 

http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/goldbug.html
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« Reply #781 on: November 14, 2007, 05:38:05 PM »
Let's take a recent post of yours, which was not in response to anyone else:

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America's Growing Trade Deficit Is Selling The Nation Out From Under Us. Here's A Way To Fix The Problem--And We Need To Do It Now.


http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2003/11/10/352872/index.htm

B-B-But we need the government to do more shit for us!!!

Wake up people, the government isnt a cash dispenser.

1) You are portraying anyone who doesn't agree with you as a stuttering idiot looking for a handout. This is pretty antagonistic.
2) Most people who want universal health care are willing to put their money where their mouth is either through increased taxes or cutting other programs. These programs are perceived as an investment in our society--like building your equity in a house through home improvements--and not as a "cash dispenser."
3) There is no casual connection between what you are posting and voting for Ron Paul. Several other candidates are running on a platform of balancing the budget and fiscal responsibility.

You seem oblivious to the fact that people can agree with many if not all of your basic principles and reach entirely different conclusions. You start with your conclusion ("vote for Ron Paul!") and berate anyone who disagrees as not understanding the principles. That sort of backwards induction just makes you look silly, frankly. It's logically back-asswards.
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« Reply #782 on: November 14, 2007, 05:47:44 PM »
What I find most annoying is he honestly thinks Ron Paul will win the republican nomination. Loving a fringe candidate is one thing, but stating without budging slightly that he'll win the nomination and be the next president, end of discussion is completely at another level.

If FoC could at the very least admit Ron Paul has almost no chance whatsoever of getting nominated I would gladly leave him alone to praise his fringe candidate.
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« Reply #783 on: November 14, 2007, 05:50:05 PM »
even if you don't believe in a libertarian society, wouldn't most people agree that our government needs a libertarian push at this point?
I think a lot of what we've been seeing recently is the exact opposite.  Both parties are heavy-spenders; neither want to reduce the size or power of the government, and the American people, IMO, see the massive amounts of money being spent on a war they've abandoned all support for, and are thinking, "hey we could be spending that money on something that actually has a tangible and direct benefit for all Americans, like health care."  The war in Iraq has made people more comfortable with the idea of spending a crapton of money in handouts, and support for public officials has only dropped because they're not doing enough, not asserting enough control.
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« Reply #784 on: November 14, 2007, 05:58:53 PM »
What I find most annoying is he honestly thinks Ron Paul will win the republican nomination. Loving a fringe candidate is one thing, but stating without budging slightly that he'll win the nomination and be the next president, end of discussion is completely at another level.

If FoC could at the very least admit Ron Paul has almost no chance whatsoever of getting nominated I would gladly leave him alone to praise his fringe candidate.

Why is that annoying to you? Why do you even care? Does it bother you that I think he is going to win? Is it so annoying that you cant sleep at night? Please help me understand why it's so annoying to you that I think he can win.

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« Reply #785 on: November 14, 2007, 06:11:05 PM »
even if you don't believe in a libertarian society, wouldn't most people agree that our government needs a libertarian push at this point?
I think a lot of what we've been seeing recently is the exact opposite.  Both parties are heavy-spenders; neither want to reduce the size or power of the government, and the American people, IMO, see the massive amounts of money being spent on a war they've abandoned all support for, and are thinking, "hey we could be spending that money on something that actually has a tangible and direct benefit for all Americans, like health care."  The war in Iraq has made people more comfortable with the idea of spending a crapton of money in handouts, and support for public officials has only dropped because they're not doing enough, not asserting enough control.
Exactly here is a great quote that sums it up.

"Ideology is such a powerful force that it has propped up a policy of inconsistency for more than a century. The left has a massive agenda for the state at home and yet complains bitterly, with shock and dismay that the same tools are used to start wars and build imperial structures abroad. The right claims to want to restrain government spending at home (in some ways) while whooping it up for war and global reconstruction abroad.

It's one thing for the left to grudgingly support international intervention. It makes some sense for the group that believes that government is omniscient enough to bring about fairness, justice and equality at home for the same people abroad. In fact I have never been able to make much sense out of the left-wing antiwar activism, simply because it cuts so much against the ideas of socialism.

What strikes me as ridiculous is the right-wing view that government is incompetent and dangerous domestically- at least in economic and social affairs-but has some sort of midas touch internationally such that it can bring democracy freedom and justice to any land its troops deign to invade..

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« Reply #786 on: November 14, 2007, 06:16:36 PM »

3) There is no casual connection between what you are posting and voting for Ron Paul. Several other candidates are running on a platform of balancing the budget and fiscal responsibility.
Who?


You seem oblivious to the fact that people can agree with many if not all of your basic principles and reach entirely different conclusions. You start with your conclusion ("vote for Ron Paul!") and berate anyone who disagrees as not understanding the principles. That sort of backwards induction just makes you look silly, frankly. It's logically back-asswards.

Excuse me, I am not the one berating here. I only do it as a defense against getting ganged up on here.

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« Reply #787 on: November 14, 2007, 06:17:13 PM »
Excuse me, I am not the one berating here. I only do it as a defense against getting ganged up on here.

So preemptive war is bad, but preemptive assholery is fine?
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« Reply #788 on: November 14, 2007, 06:29:38 PM »
Excuse me, I am not the one berating here. I only do it as a defense against getting ganged up on here.

So preemptive war is bad, but preemptive assholery is fine?

 ??? Are you saying this because you, cheebs and triumph preemptively were assholes to me

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« Reply #789 on: November 14, 2007, 06:32:28 PM »
sigh
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« Reply #790 on: November 14, 2007, 06:34:44 PM »
What I find most annoying is he honestly thinks Ron Paul will win the republican nomination. Loving a fringe candidate is one thing, but stating without budging slightly that he'll win the nomination and be the next president, end of discussion is completely at another level.

If FoC could at the very least admit Ron Paul has almost no chance whatsoever of getting nominated I would gladly leave him alone to praise his fringe candidate.

Why is that annoying to you? Why do you even care? Does it bother you that I think he is going to win? Is it so annoying that you cant sleep at night? Please help me understand why it's so annoying to you that I think he can win.
Because it is illogical.

His domestic views are a polar opposite for the most part of the majority of the country and he has very little traction in polls.

Your belief he will win is not based on any sort of information, it is based purely on hope.
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« Reply #791 on: November 14, 2007, 06:36:58 PM »
sigh

I wasnt the first person to post personal attacks. So dont act like I was.

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« Reply #792 on: November 14, 2007, 06:37:43 PM »
I'm not acting like jack shit you goddamned mouthbreathing motherfucker.

You're wasting my life as well as your own. I'm requesting a ban until you're off the forums.
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« Reply #793 on: November 14, 2007, 06:38:40 PM »
Because it is illogical.
Is it annoying to you that people bet on the underdog teams in the superbowl? Do you use sleep over it? Do you go onto internet message boards and bitch about it like a little girl?



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« Reply #794 on: November 14, 2007, 06:39:11 PM »
I'm not acting like jack shit you goddamned mouthbreathing motherfucker.

You're wasting my life as well as your own. I'm requesting a ban until you're off the forums.
:lol :lol :lol :lol

And you guys think Im the one making the personal attacks in this thread.



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« Reply #795 on: November 14, 2007, 06:39:41 PM »
Why dont you guys leave this thread if it bothers you so much?

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« Reply #796 on: November 14, 2007, 06:42:58 PM »
Please remember to make it an account ban, not an IP ban, so as not to interfere with other people from my office who read the boards.
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« Reply #797 on: November 14, 2007, 06:44:46 PM »
You know what would be sort of awesome?  If Ron Paul came away with the nomination after a brokered convention, The Best Man style.

Romney would be Henry Fonda and Giuliani the other guy in this scenario, I suppose.

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« Reply #798 on: November 14, 2007, 06:50:40 PM »
Why dont you guys leave this thread if it bothers you so much?
A better question is why do you need this thread? There is no one on the fence about ron paul here. for whom are you posting the endless articles and videos?
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« Reply #799 on: November 14, 2007, 06:56:17 PM »
Why dont you guys leave this thread if it bothers you so much?
A better question is why do you need this thread?

I didnt make the thread.

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« Reply #800 on: November 14, 2007, 07:04:02 PM »
Why dont you guys leave this thread if it bothers you so much?
A better question is why do you need this thread?

I didnt make the thread.
so why do you keep posting videos and news articles about him that no one ever responds to?
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« Reply #801 on: November 14, 2007, 07:04:46 PM »

so why do you keep posting videos and news articles about him that no one ever responds to?

Because this is the Ron Paul thread.

Why do you keep responding?


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« Reply #804 on: November 14, 2007, 07:10:23 PM »
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_clinton_42_giuliani_39_ron_paul_8
Election 2008: Clinton 42% Giuliani 39% Ron Paul 8%
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The nation would pick hillary over either of them, good stuff.


b-b-b-but you said Ron Paul was a fringe candidate. By your standards Gay people are on the fringe of society since they make up alot less than 8%
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« Reply #805 on: November 14, 2007, 07:11:27 PM »
because 8% is really close to winning the white house! He is still below 5% in Iowa and Jan is coming quick!
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« Reply #806 on: November 14, 2007, 07:12:33 PM »
Hey cheebs do you dream about Ron Paul when you sleep? Is he that annoying?

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« Reply #807 on: November 14, 2007, 07:14:34 PM »
I dont hate Paul, I hate his fans.
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« Reply #808 on: November 14, 2007, 07:15:15 PM »
I dont hate Paul, I hate his fans.

Why what do they do? Post on your precious animu video game forum?  :lol

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« Reply #809 on: November 14, 2007, 07:26:15 PM »
I dont hate Paul, I hate his fans.

Why what do they do? Post on your precious animu video game forum?  :lol
I dont watch anime or play video games lol
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« Reply #810 on: November 14, 2007, 07:30:21 PM »
I dont watch anime or play video games lol

Then why does this thread upset you?
What part of your body did a Ron Paul supporter touch when you were little. Show me on this doll.





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« Reply #811 on: November 14, 2007, 07:33:25 PM »
Cheebs, just admit you have an irrational and misunderstood hatred towards Ron Paul. Just admit it and then dont post in here anymore and your life will be so much better.

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« Reply #812 on: November 14, 2007, 07:42:48 PM »
I only have a month to go and the thread is dead, I can wait.
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« Reply #813 on: November 14, 2007, 07:45:49 PM »
I only have a month to go and the thread is dead, I can wait.
Why are you going to stop posting in it?

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« Reply #814 on: November 14, 2007, 07:46:51 PM »
I only have a month to go and the thread is dead, I can wait.
Why are you going to stop posting in it?
because it wont exist? It'd be like posting in a Howard Dean thread after the iowa caucus.
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« Reply #815 on: November 14, 2007, 10:02:13 PM »
so why do you keep posting videos and news articles about him that no one ever responds to?
Because this is the Ron Paul thread.
Why do you keep responding?
then why did you keep posting news about ron paul in the outside link thread that is meant for links to other forums?

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« Reply #816 on: November 14, 2007, 10:05:51 PM »
so why do you keep posting videos and news articles about him that no one ever responds to?
Because this is the Ron Paul thread.
Why do you keep responding?
then why did you keep posting news about ron paul in the outside link thread that is meant for links to other forums?

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« Reply #817 on: November 14, 2007, 10:25:00 PM »
Why is this thread so large?

I understand why this thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8432973&page=0&fpart=59&vc=1 is so large! But why this one?

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« Reply #818 on: November 14, 2007, 11:50:35 PM »

then why did you keep posting news about ron paul in the outside link thread that is meant for links to other forums?

Because this thread didnt exist. I posted outside links in the outside link thread.
I guess thats too much for nintenho and triumph to understand.

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« Reply #819 on: November 14, 2007, 11:52:15 PM »

then why did you keep posting news about ron paul in the outside link thread that is meant for links to other forums?

Because this thread didnt exist. I posted outside links in the outside link thread.
I guess thats too much for nintenho and triumph to understand.







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« Reply #820 on: November 15, 2007, 12:00:02 AM »
8% is kinda impressive. Isn't that more than Nader got in 2000?
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« Reply #821 on: November 15, 2007, 12:06:03 AM »
8% is kinda impressive. Isn't that more than Nader got in 2000?

WHAT? Nader got like .01%

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« Reply #822 on: November 15, 2007, 12:07:06 AM »
Maybe FoC isn't all wrong, and is instead mainly wrong...? That's an interesting poll :o


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« Reply #823 on: November 15, 2007, 12:08:36 AM »
Maybe FoC isn't all wrong, and is instead mainly wrong...? That's an interesting poll :o


His support is growing too. Ron Paul has alot of momentum. I hope he can keep it up.

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« Reply #824 on: November 15, 2007, 12:18:09 AM »

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« Reply #825 on: November 15, 2007, 12:19:54 AM »
I hope he can keep it up.

At his age?  :(
:lol :lol He has been married to the same woman for 50 years. Im sure they are happy without sex.



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« Reply #826 on: November 15, 2007, 12:48:42 AM »
can someone point me to a good debunking of the gold standard?  i'm seriously curious.  when the people in power have so much to gain, i can't take expert opinions as fact. 

http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/goldbug.html


the main points seem to be that using a metal as a standard is bad, because it will be artificially inflated, and that using a standard creates inflexible money.  I think an energy standard would be cool, as it is more inherently useful than gold.

another possibility is the government keeps a standard, and just prints currency with no backing during times of crisis, as lincoln did during the civil war.       



 :lol, i love this illustration from the article. 

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« Reply #827 on: November 15, 2007, 12:56:25 AM »
then why did you keep posting news about ron paul in the outside link thread that is meant for links to other forums?
Because this thread didnt exist. I posted outside links in the outside link thread.
I guess thats too much for nintenho and triumph to understand.
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the thread was made for discussion on irrelevant things that you found interesting on other forums.  not for somebody to talk about their political beliefs.

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« Reply #828 on: November 15, 2007, 01:03:44 AM »

the thread was made for discussion on irrelevant things that you found interesting on other forums.  not for somebody to talk about their political beliefs.

The thread is called "outside link thread" I posted links I found through digg because I cannot make threads of my own.

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« Reply #829 on: November 15, 2007, 01:15:45 AM »
I spilled water on my copy of "Foreign policy of Freedom"
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« Reply #830 on: November 15, 2007, 01:17:36 AM »
The thread is called "outside link thread" I posted links I found through digg because I cannot make threads of my own.
there's a reason.

btw, you also posted a link about muslims being violent.  did you do what I said and talk to a mullah?

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« Reply #831 on: November 15, 2007, 01:18:47 AM »
The thread is called "outside link thread" I posted links I found through digg because I cannot make threads of my own.
there's a reason.

btw, you also posted a link about muslims being violent.  did you do what I said and talk to a mullah?

This thread is Ron Paul shit heap. You want the muslim shit heap.

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« Reply #832 on: November 15, 2007, 01:29:39 AM »
we can mix it together.  nobody is probably going to start a thread for you to talk about that by the time you get banned.

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« Reply #833 on: November 15, 2007, 01:40:23 AM »
we can mix it together.  nobody is probably going to start a thread for you to talk about that by the time you get banned.

Im not getting banned

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« Reply #834 on: November 15, 2007, 01:44:31 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?

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« Reply #835 on: November 15, 2007, 08:52:27 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?
they should be euthanized.
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« Reply #836 on: November 15, 2007, 09:24:19 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?

they should be euthanized.

Personally, I think flipper people should be euthanized.  Muslims have contributed a lot to the world throughout time, whereas flipper people just sit around, spend my tax money on worthless shit and then have to fucking whine about it.
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« Reply #837 on: November 15, 2007, 09:28:09 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?

they should be euthanized.

Personally, I think flipper people should be euthanized.  Muslims have contributed a lot to the world throughout time, whereas flipper people just sit around, spend my tax money on worthless shit and then have to fucking whine about it.
All muslims have done is start holy wars and killed millions of people, I don't think flipper people have ever killed anyone.
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« Reply #838 on: November 15, 2007, 09:50:17 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?

they should be euthanized.

Personally, I think flipper people should be euthanized.  Muslims have contributed a lot to the world throughout time, whereas flipper people just sit around, spend my tax money on worthless shit and then have to fucking whine about it.
All muslims have done is start holy wars and killed millions of people, I don't think flipper people have ever killed anyone.

Not true!  Read up on it, Muslims have done lots, like invent algebra or something and most importantly not be born disgusting flipper things.
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« Reply #839 on: November 15, 2007, 10:06:44 AM »
how the fuck is this thread 20 pages?  really?