FoC's Ron Paul Shitheap: Patel Melts the Internets starting on pg. 24

[Van Cruncheon]

admittedly, mises.org is a step up from lewrockwell.com

well, ludwig von mises makes a better mascot than lew rockwell, at least when trying to apply a veneer of intellectual validity

shame about the content, though

[captainbiotch]

its humorous that you take a stab at content when your own post contains none.

[FlameOfCallandor]

In order to prove the importance of free thinking, here are some links to Ron Paul-approved websites

http://www.lewrockwell.com/
http://www.mises.org/
http://dailypaul.com/

http://www.europac.net

[Van Cruncheon]

its humorous that you take a stab at content when your own post contains none.

for content on these very subjects, please take this opportunity to browse my post history

[brawndolicious]

foc, it's pretty simple.  managing and creating money are two totally different beasts.  however, both duties drastically change in different ways over the course of history.  can you show us any example of a libertarian government in the last 25 years (your lifetime) that was successful?

[Gay Boy]

Taking individual responsibility and being hands off govt. saved the depression!

Oh wait no, that was a big govt. democrat with a dash of Hitler.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Taking individual responsibility and being hands off govt. saved the depression!

Oh wait no, that was a big govt. democrat with a dash of Hitler.

That's a myth.
Ever hear of the Smoot-Hawley act? IT is widely credited with exacerbating the depression.
FDR made the depression worse and WW2 did not help fix the depression. FDR new deal involved telling farmers to plow under fields and throw out dairy products. (which by the way farm, STILL to this day must do if they want to receive subsidies). The National Recovery Act is usually the most celebrated aspect of the new deal, but in reality the economy was showing signs of improvement before it was enacted. All the NRA did, was micro manage output and price decisions.

And then the WW2 argument. How does sending 50% of your workforce oversees help productivity? Think about that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

Have you ever witnessed the anger of the good shopkeeper, James Goodfellow, when his careless son happened to break a square of glass? If you have been present at such a scene, you will most assuredly bear witness to the fact, that every one of the spectators, were there even thirty of them, by common consent apparently, offered the unfortunate owner this invariable consolation—"It is an ill wind that blows nobody good. Everybody must live, and what would become of the glaziers if panes of glass were never broken?"
Now, this form of condolence contains an entire theory, which it will be well to show up in this simple case, seeing that it is precisely the same as that which, unhappily, regulates the greater part of our economical institutions.
Suppose it cost six francs to repair the damage, and you say that the accident brings six francs to the glazier's trade—that it encourages that trade to the amount of six francs—I grant it; I have not a word to say against it; you reason justly. The glazier comes, performs his task, receives his six francs, rubs his hands, and, in his heart, blesses the careless child. All this is that which is seen.
But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the encouragement of industry in general will be the result of it, you will oblige me to call out, "Stop there! Your theory is confined to that which is seen; it takes no account of that which is not seen."
It is not seen that as our shopkeeper has spent six francs upon one thing, he cannot spend them upon another. It is not seen that if he had not had a window to replace, he would, perhaps, have replaced his old shoes, or added another book to his library. In short, he would have employed his six francs in some way, which this accident has prevented.

So saying that WW2 helped us out of the depression is like saying Katrina "helped" new orleans. The workers and resources could have been used to enlarge the existing capital.

[Gay Boy]

FDR and WWII made the depression worse?

Wow, you actually believe this nonsense? I take it you believe history books have a extremist liberal bias.

[FlameOfCallandor]

FDR and WWII made the depression worse?

Wow, you actually believe this nonsense?

Me: This is the way it is because of A, B and C.

You: LOLZ U'r Dumb dur dur

[Gay Boy]

Explain why historians and basically every history text book ever don't claim that FDR and WWII made the depression worse?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Explain why historians and basically every history text book ever don't claim that FDR and WWII made the depression worse?

No, you explain that, since I just argued my point.

[Gay Boy]

Your point uses fucking theory wikipedia.

Mine is the generally accepted historical account of that time period.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Your point uses fucking wikipedia.

And you dont have one.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Your point seems to be, "Well its widely accepted so it must be true!!"

[Gay Boy]

Your point uses fucking wikipedia.

And you dont have one.

Every history text book about the 20th century...ever?

Wait so I should doubt EVERY HISTORY PROFESSOR and accept your "parable" from Wikipedia? Sounds logical to me.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Your point uses fucking wikipedia.

And you dont have one.

Every history text book about the 20th century...ever?

Wait so I should doubt EVERY HISTORY PROFESSOR and accept your "parable" from Wikipedia? Sounds logical to me.

Im still waiting for your point.

[FlameOfCallandor]

 

I love that gif

[brawndolicious]

foc, it's pretty simple.  managing and creating money are two totally different beasts.  however, both duties drastically change in different ways over the course of history.  can you show us any example of a libertarian government in the last 25 years (your lifetime) that was successful?

and just shut up about the great depression.  FDR made stupid farming practices stop by forcing farmers to rotate crops.  Ever heard about the dust bowl?

WW2 really helped our economy since we loaned out a bunch of money to the allies and sold them a lot of weapons and supplies.  This was going on for a long time before the war.  and even during the war we sold supplies to the allies.  it was a new market for JOBS.  a lot of them.

[Gay Boy]

FoC and Ron Paul are probably the only two people in the entire country who would not give credit to WWII in fixing the economy.

I guess it is because WWII goes against their BU BU BU BU  WASHINGTON SAID WE SHOULD ISOLATIONISTS view.

[brawndolicious]

did ron paul actually say he believes that?  japan did attack the US.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

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I love that gif

I like the way it has absolutely no content or meaning, just silent and irritating smarminess

it reminds me a lot of your posts

[Gay Boy]

did ron paul actually say he believes that?  japan did attack the US.

FoC can't think for himself so I would assume so.

[Gay Boy]

FoC why does History credit FDR and the new deal for saving the american economy alongside WWII?

IT BOGGLES THE MIND! I mean that parable from wikipedia throws out decades and decades of established history!

[Phoenix Dark]

FDR made the depression worse and WW2 did not help fix the depression

FDR made the depression worse and WW2 did not help fix the depression

FDR made the depression worse and WW2 did not help fix the depression

FDR made the depression worse and WW2 did not help fix the depression

FDR made the depression worse and WW2 did not help fix the depression

WHAT 

[brawndolicious]

did ron paul actually say he believes that?  japan did attack the US.

FoC can't think for himself so I would assume so.

amazing.  but I still don't think anybody, much less a presidential candidate, is that crazy.

[Phoenix Dark]

I've heard people argue the New Deal didn't fix the depression, which of course is a position that can be validated (and is true). But I've never heard anyone suggest WWII didn't turn around the depression. Am Nintenho is right, it fucking boosted the economy to the point where we emerged from the war as a supreme super power.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I've heard people argue the New Deal didn't fix the depression, which of course is a position that can be validated (and is true). But I've never heard anyone suggest WWII didn't turn around the depression. Am Nintenho is right, it fucking boosted the economy to the point where we emerged from the war as a supreme super power.

See the broken window fallacy

[Gay Boy]

I've heard people argue the New Deal didn't fix the depression, which of course is a position that can be validated (and is true). But I've never heard anyone suggest WWII didn't turn around the depression. Am Nintenho is right, it fucking boosted the economy to the point where we emerged from the war as a supreme super power.

See the broken window fallacy

explain how your little parable that is just a STORY prove history wrong

[FlameOfCallandor]

foc, it's pretty simple.  managing and creating money are two totally different beasts.  however, both duties drastically change in different ways over the course of history.  can you show us any example of a libertarian government in the last 25 years (your lifetime) that was successful?

and just shut up about the great depression.  FDR made stupid farming practices stop by forcing farmers to rotate crops.  Ever heard about the dust bowl?

WW2 really helped our economy since we loaned out a bunch of money to the allies and sold them a lot of weapons and supplies.  This was going on for a long time before the war.  and even during the war we sold supplies to the allies.  it was a new market for JOBS.  a lot of them.

And Katrina did alot for New Orleans because Home depots everywhere were selling wood and nails...  

[FlameOfCallandor]

I've heard people argue the New Deal didn't fix the depression, which of course is a position that can be validated (and is true). But I've never heard anyone suggest WWII didn't turn around the depression. Am Nintenho is right, it fucking boosted the economy to the point where we emerged from the war as a supreme super power.

See the broken window fallacy

explain how your little parable that is just a STORY prove history wrong

That would be your job.

[Gay Boy]

foc, it's pretty simple.  managing and creating money are two totally different beasts.  however, both duties drastically change in different ways over the course of history.  can you show us any example of a libertarian government in the last 25 years (your lifetime) that was successful?

and just shut up about the great depression.  FDR made stupid farming practices stop by forcing farmers to rotate crops.  Ever heard about the dust bowl?

WW2 really helped our economy since we loaned out a bunch of money to the allies and sold them a lot of weapons and supplies.  This was going on for a long time before the war.  and even during the war we sold supplies to the allies.  it was a new market for JOBS.  a lot of them.

And Katrina did alot for New Orleans because Home depots everywhere were selling wood and nails... 

how the fuck does Katrina have anything to do with us going over-seas in WWII making ourselves a world super power?

[Phoenix Dark]

Comparing Katrina (you know, the natural disaster) to WWII is perhaps the dumbest thing you've ever done. I'm finished here, this is getting beyond pathetic

Support your fringe candidate all you want. He won't get 10% of the vote anywhere, and once he pulls out the race you're little movement will be done. Paul will be even more senile in 2012, so this is his last shot. Isn't it amazing that someone has served 10 terms yet has never been in charge of shit in congress?

[Human Snorenado]

Guys, stop feeding the idiot.  Or I'll lock this thread and hopefully the idiot will be banned for derailing other political threads.

Seriously, FoC- go to OA with your act.  No one here is dumb enough to buy it, and that says a lot when our members include such mental heavyweights as Pee Dee and Homosexual Lad.

[FlameOfCallandor]

did ron paul actually say he believes that?  japan did attack the US.

FoC can't think for himself so I would assume so.

And yet I am the only person here offering ideas that are different from what you are taught in school. You are just regurgitating.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Comparing Katrina (you know, the natural disaster) to WWII is perhaps the dumbest thing you've ever done.

Why?

[Gay Boy]

Or I'll lock this thread and hopefully the idiot will be banned for derailing other political threads.

Do this.

[FlameOfCallandor]

He PD, in what univerwse do you live in where throwing away food cures a depression?

[Gay Boy]

whats your girlfriend think of ron paul?

[brawndolicious]

Guys, stop feeding the idiot.  Or I'll lock this thread and hopefully the idiot will be banned for derailing other political threads.
Seriously, FoC- go to OA with your act.  No one here is dumb enough to buy it, and that says a lot when our members include such mental heavyweights as Pee Dee and Homosexual Lad.

the second thread for him locked because of him.

foc, you idiot.  the farmers (who were fuck poor by every definition) were producing TOO MUCH goods in order to pay for their mortgages and increasing the supply then makes the goods cheaper.  the only thing the farmers could do is produce as many goods as they can (or else go bankrupt).  the government stepping in to control the price (which IS unconstitutional but that is still practiced in some way by the government today in a constitutional way) saved the farmers (cause it's not logical for them to individually decide to lower their output).  it's pretty fucking simple.

and please tell me how the great depression ending by 1942 or 1943 had nothing to do with WW2.

and show an example of an successful libertarian government in the last 25 years.

[FlameOfCallandor]

the second thread for him locked because of him.

Yes, somehow I reuined a thread called FoC shitehap...

foc, you idiot.  the farmers (who were fuck poor by every definition) were producing TOO MUCH goods in order to pay for their mortgages and increasing the supply then makes the goods cheaper. 

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Think about how dumb that sounds. You're saying supply far exceeded demand so the only answer was government subsidies. 

[FlameOfCallandor]

December 3, 2007


Want to know a secret? There were two moments I especially enjoyed at the CNN/YouTube debate -- despite my frustration at some of the questions, and the maldistribution of time.

First, I was pleased at John McCain's attack, which he clearly had planned. Not because that sort of stream-of-consciousness nonsense about Hitler and WWII -- when the neocons openly want what they call WW IV! Are we to forget that the first war crime charged at Nuremberg was waging aggressive war?

I mean this: mainstream politicians NEVER attack an opponent they think is far behind. The McCain campaign, we've heard, is worried sick about New Hampshire, and they thought a slam at me would help. Ha! Of course,
it only strengthened our forces.

Then, after the debate, Rudy Giuliani walked up to me and said, "Oooh, you sure have a LOT of supporters." It's only the beginning, I told him.

Indeed, he could have told that by the crowd outside after the debate. Mitt Romney had a few people, but no one else did. We, on the other hand, had about 500 enthusiastic revolutionaries, plus a boat, a trolley, and two planes towing lighted signs. As I looked out at the crowd, I thought: the establishment has no idea of what they are facing. We have an army of freedom, prosperity, and peace. As the LA Times political blog noted the other day, the
British also thought they had no problem with the Americans--until Yorktown.

But we have an astoundingly short time before the first contests. The Iowa caucuses are on January 3, the New Hampshire primary is on January 8, and Nevada and South Carolina are both on January 19. We have only
30 days to stake our claim to the nomination, and to the new America that restores the ideals of the founders, and leads the world through free enterprise, a sound dollar, the rule of law, and peaceful example. Not through
inflation and bombs.

Help me surprise the neocons and all the establishment with our success. Help me build the foundation for the America we all want. Send your most generous contribution:  https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate.  The military-industrial complex, the biased media, the big banks, the Fed, the waterboarders, and the IRS don't like what we're doing. But every good American is applauding us, and daring to hope for a better future.

Please, help me give it to them, to us, to all Americans to come. Keep this revolution growing and winning: 
https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate.

Sincerely,

Ron

[brawndolicious]

lock.  he can't read 2 more sentences from that post to get my point.  he's an idiot.  when paul loses, bump it.

[FlameOfCallandor]

lock.  he can't read 2 more sentences from that post to get my point.  he's an idiot.  when paul loses, bump it.

Hey nintenho if Ford motor company creates a surplus of cars should we give them money to stop making so many cars?
 

[FlameOfCallandor]

This is Nintenho, except replace the cowboy hat with a turban and Gey boy except replace the cow boy hat with a  black dildo.

[youtube=425,350]HJnVX143ZE[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HJnVX143ZE

[FlameOfCallandor]

[youtube=425,350]_HJnVX143ZE[/youtube]

Here ya go.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Actually i think guy is slightly more intelligent than nintenho.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Hey Drinky, what's the melt value of paper money?

[Van Cruncheon]

that makes no fucking sense, much like the gold standard. what's the melt value of uranium, if we're tossing about non sequiturs?

[Flannel Boy]

What's the melt value of FoC's brain? All two ounces.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Hey Drinky, what's the melt value of paper money?

what's the melt value of a block of delicious Velveeta processed cheese substitute

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what's the melt value of dur butter? let's ask Conker GBC:

[Howard Alan Treesong]

apparently the only way to determine the true value of something is to set it on fire

let's try it with FoC

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too bad he's flame-distinguished mentally-challenged. I mean retardant.

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[Howard Alan Treesong]

I'm glad we were able to determine the melt value of several hundred acres of Southern California forest last month

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what's the melt value of Burger King's Bacon Double Homestyle Melt?

answer: two flame-broiled beef patties topped with crisp bacon, three slices of warm Swiss cheese, and rich, creamy garlic cheese sauce on soft buttery sliced bread.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what's the melt value of one troy ounce of gold?

$790.70 USD as of market close today.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what's the melt value of THIS FLAMETHROWER, YOUR FACE

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[Howard Alan Treesong]

What's the melt value of the Wicked Witch of the West?


Turns out, it's two ruby slippers. In the book, these were originally silver slippers--a sly show of solidarity with William Jennings Bryan's refusal to allow the minting of silver coinage at a 16:1 ratio to gold. However, by the time of the MGM movie version was created in 1939, the foolishness of the gold standard was well understood.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what's the melt value of freedom? 451 degrees Fahrenheit.

[Mandark]

Oh Lordy.  This is giving me giggle fits.

[Ichirou]

Uhm, no, the melt value of freedom is 9/11 degrees fahrenheit.  The melt value of paper is 451 degrees fahrenheit.

lol michael moorowned