FoC's Ron Paul Shitheap: Patel Melts the Internets starting on pg. 24

[FlameOfCallandor]

At first, man was enslaved by the gods. But he broke their chains. Then he was enslaved by the kings. But he broke their chains. He was enslaved by his birth, by his kin, by his race. But he broke their chains. He declared to all his brothers that a man has rights which neither god nor king nor other men can take away from him, no matter what their number, for his is the right of man, and there is no right on earth above this right. And he stood on the threshold of freedom for which the blood of the centuries behind him had been spilled.

But then he gave up all he had won, and fell lower than his savage beginning.

What brought it to pass? What disaster took their reason away from men? What whip lashed them to their knees in shame and submission? The worship of the word "We."

[Barry Egan]

I am done with the monster of "we," the word of serfdom, of plunder, of misery falsehood and shame.

And now I see the face of god, and I raise this god over the earth, this god whom men have sought since men came into being, this god who will grant them joy and peace and pride.

This god, this one word:

"I"

It's amazing how you can prop yourself up as a proponent of individualism by mindlessly flitting around other peoples thoughts.

[Van Cruncheon]

what ARE these rights that no other man can take from one

i'd love to know

[FlameOfCallandor]

It's amazing how you can prop yourself up as a proponent of individualism by flitting around other peoples thoughts like a parrot.

Because individulist are not allowed to quote author's.  

[FlameOfCallandor]

what ARE these rights that no other man can take from one

i'd love to know

When men accepted that worship, the structure of centuries collapsed about them, the structure whose every beam had come from the thought of some one man, each in his day down the ages, from the depth of some one spirit, such as spirit existed but for its own sake. Those men who survived- those eager to obey, eager to live for one another, since they had nothing else to vindicate them- those men could neither carry on, nor preserve what they had received. Thus did all thought, all science, all wisdom perish on earth. Thus did men- men with nothing to offer save their great numbers- lose the steel towers, the flying ships, the power wires, all the things they had not created and could never keep. Perhaps, later, some men had been born with the mind and the courage to recover these things which were lost; perhaps these men came before the Councils of Scholars. They answered as I have been answered- and for the same reasons.

[brawndolicious]

I remember foc said his mom would give him a few thousand dollars if he graduated from college without getting a girl pregnant.  he sounded serious too.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I remember foc said his mom would give him a few thousand dollars if he graduated from college without getting a girl pregnant.  he sounded serious too.

It was tough 

[Howard Alan Treesong]

dinner options at the cafeteria:

Hawaiian Luau Pizza with Chicken and Teriyaki sauce
Onion Soup with Cheese Croutons
Bison Chili
BLT Sandwich with Avocado on Sourdough
Rotisserie Chicken
regular grill, deli, and salad services

tomorrow for breakfast they have Banana-stuffed French Toast and on Thursday they have a sushi chef coming in ??!!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

this book is an awesome example my ideal society:



Stalinism

[demi]

i'm getting my first placement bonus this friday, i'm thinking

GOLD


and blow

[Howard Alan Treesong]

We is totally underrated. Like, it's way better than Brave New World and possibly better than 1984, but I had to dig really deep into my dystopian bag of tricks to even find out it existed. WHAT GIVES?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

curious about that new translation. the one I read was kind of weirdly mid-90s corporate, full of imagined words like OneState. However, I was high off Dragon Quarter at the time so BRING ON THE INTERNAL CAPS

[Barry Egan]

dinner options at the cafeteria:

Hawaiian Luau Pizza with Chicken and Teriyaki sauce
Onion Soup with Cheese Croutons
Bison Chili
BLT Sandwich with Avocado on Sourdough
Rotisserie Chicken
regular grill, deli, and salad services

tomorrow for breakfast they have Banana-stuffed French Toast and on Thursday they have a sushi chef coming in ??!!

wtfffff best cafeteria ever

[Howard Alan Treesong]

we're as shocked as anyone else! we expected greasy burgers and pop-tart pizza but instead we get "Chicken 'Provencal' Sandwich with Boursin Cheese, Red Onions, and Balsamic Marinated Tomatoes" and "Smoked Turkey Wrap with Spinach, Mushrooms, Caramelized Onions and Cranberry Spread on a Flavored Tortilla"

yummmmmmmmmmmmm

[FlameOfCallandor]

i'm getting my first placement bonus this friday, i'm thinking

GOLD


and blow

If you were to invest in gold, there is a good chance your investment will multipy by 30 whenever the price of gold and the DOW go 1:1 history shows happens.

[Van Cruncheon]

what ARE these rights that no other man can take from one

i'd love to know

When men accepted that worship, the structure of centuries collapsed about them, the structure whose every beam had come from the thought of some one man, each in his day down the ages, from the depth of some one spirit, such as spirit existed but for its own sake. Those men who survived- those eager to obey, eager to live for one another, since they had nothing else to vindicate them- those men could neither carry on, nor preserve what they had received. Thus did all thought, all science, all wisdom perish on earth. Thus did men- men with nothing to offer save their great numbers- lose the steel towers, the flying ships, the power wires, all the things they had not created and could never keep. Perhaps, later, some men had been born with the mind and the courage to recover these things which were lost; perhaps these men came before the Councils of Scholars. They answered as I have been answered- and for the same reasons.

oddly, science and innovation exist in spite of individualism, and the increased complexity has emphasized teams and collaboration rather than individual "geniuses" in their garages

the cult of individuality has not updated its tenets since 1930 :'(

[Van Cruncheon]

when the price of gold goes up by GOVERNMENT FIAT, oh my

[Mandark]

Love the tennin/Patel bit on beauty standards.  There's a blog post on anal sex and game theory I wish I could find, but I don't know how long I can keep using these search terms before I need a shower.

oddly, science and innovation exist in spite of individualism, and the increased complexity has emphasized teams and collaboration rather than individual "geniuses" in their garages

the cult of individuality has not updated its tenets since 1930 :'(

Not just that, but some outright statism.  NASA and NIH are national triumphs, and only a dirty commie would disagree.

[Human Snorenado]

As the board's resident dirty commie I take issue with that statement, sir.

[FlameOfCallandor]

oddly, science and innovation exist in spite of individualism, and the increased complexity has emphasized teams and collaboration rather than individual "geniuses" in their garages

the cult of individuality has not updated its tenets since 1930

Team collaboration does not equal forced collectivism. You fail miserably.


Also, As much as I like NASA, it is a gigantic waste of money.

[FlameOfCallandor]

when the price of gold goes up by GOVERNMENT FIAT, oh my

Economics works without government FIAT, oh my. 

[FlameOfCallandor]

Drinky, if we have real bad inflation would you rather be stuck with an ounce of gold or a dollar bill that says $500?

The price of gold will increase in value compared to the dollar, but the bill will remain $500. Is that hard to understand?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

TODAY IS BANANA FRENCH TOAST DAY

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Drinky, if we have real bad inflation would you rather be stuck with an ounce of gold or a dollar bill that says $500?

The price of gold will increase in value compared to the dollar, but the bill will remain $500. Is that hard to understand?

But this doesn't mean that the gold isn't "more valuable" than the dollar. You might as well compare the dollar to the euro, or the dollar to plutonium, or the dollar to BMW fuel injectors, or the dollar to Beverly Hills townhouses. Gold as a "standard" is completely arbitrary and meaningless.

Besides, if we stop having real money and return to an ancient and unworkable gold standard, wouldn't that eliminate your precious gold's subjective advantage? The gold and the money would always be worth the "same"--so how would gold continue be a "good investment" at this point, since your entire argument is based on HOW MANY inflation bucks it's worth? You can't argue for the value of the gold standard using our current free money economics.

Not sure why I bother having a point, as I'm sure I'll just get some s for my trouble.

[Van Cruncheon]

neither. what would i do with the gold? i'd rather have real commodities. WE DON'T FUCKING LIVE IN 1890 ANY MORE. please inform ron paul of this fact the next time you are gazing up at him, starry-eyed, begging for nuggets of wisdom.

[Van Cruncheon]

when the price of gold goes up by GOVERNMENT FIAT, oh my

Economics works without government FIAT, oh my. 

only when it is a basic barter system, OH MY

[FlameOfCallandor]

only when it is a basic barter system, OH MY

Correct. Now tell me why, in a barter system, you would accept paper IOUs forever.

[FlameOfCallandor]

But this doesn't mean that the gold isn't "more valuable" than the dollar. You might as well compare the dollar to the euro, or the dollar to plutonium, or the dollar to BMW fuel injectors, or the dollar to Beverly Hills townhouses. Gold as a "standard" is completely arbitrary and meaningless.

Besides, if we stop having real money and return to an ancient and unworkable gold standard, wouldn't that eliminate your precious gold's subjective advantage? The gold and the money would always be worth the "same"--so how would gold continue be a "good investment" at this point, since your entire argument is based on HOW MANY inflation bucks it's worth? You can't argue for the value of the gold standard using our current free money economics.

Not sure why I bother having a point, as I'm sure I'll just get some s for my trouble.

You dont understand how it works.

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[Howard Alan Treesong]

Please explain how it works, then. Please explain how you can use the rising price of gold relative to our currency--one valuable commodity amongst hundreds of thousands, and hardly the most valuable--to justify using this one single commodity as the basis for our entire currency and economy.

Please also explain to me WHY we would want to do this.

[Human Snorenado]

Guys, less Ron Paul and more banana french toast talk, please.

[Van Cruncheon]

only when it is a basic barter system, OH MY

Correct. Now tell me why, in a barter system, you would accept paper IOUs forever.

only when it is a basic barter system, OH MY

Correct. Now tell me why, in a barter system, you would accept paper IOUs forever.

why would i accept gold? answer that first. my neighbor doesn't want gold. my grocery store doesn't want gold. we live in 2007. gold has no practical value in modern society save fiat value.

[Powerslave]

I'm tired of seeing this thread.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Fuck it, I'm going to go buy some gold

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en delicious banana French Toast 

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[Van Cruncheon]

what is the melt value of a golden shower

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://science-sepp.blogspot.com/2007/12/press-release-dec-10-2007.html

Science & Environmental Policy Project
Climate warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence:
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant.




 

Cheebs what say you.

[brawndolicious]

which is why 99% of scientists disagree with that.  actually probably a higher percentage.  and do you really think nothing happens to the environment when you double the amount of carbon dioxide in the air?  you realize that pollution is a bad thing?

plus the world would be better off using hybrids or electric vehicles.  even though electric vehicles rely on coal plants and such, the average communter spends about $1000 a year on gasoline while the same amount of driving would be about $100 a year with an electric battery.

[Gay Boy]

http://science-sepp.blogspot.com/2007/12/press-release-dec-10-2007.html

Science & Environmental Policy Project
Climate warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence:
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant.




 

Cheebs what say you.

Hmm the general consensus of the science community or BLOGSPOT. Tough call.

[brawndolicious]

it cites a study at a university but the blog does bold some parts.

[Gay Boy]

Does the majority of the science community agree with it? Fuck no, thats the point.

[The Fake Shemp]

Did Flame just say NASA is a waste of money?

[Gay Boy]

FoC claiming Global Warming isn't real and that CO2 doesn't pollute the air is more absurd than his gold standard statement.

FoC has officially drank the kool-aid and is a right wing nutjob. Even all the republican front runners for president claim we cause global warming and the govt. needs to take some action!

[brawndolicious]

Did Flame just say NASA is a waste of money?

funny thing is that he's friends with olimario who's dad works at nasa.

[Human Snorenado]

Did Flame just say NASA is a waste of money?

You should ban him for that, Federwang.  I'll send you ten American dollars.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Did Flame just say NASA is a waste of money?

How is it not?

[Powerslave]

^fuck you stole my 1337th reply GODDAMMIT

[The Fake Shemp]

If anything, NASA needs more funding to adequately support the space program.  Right now, it's languishing, barely able to keep old, broken technology while our government dumps an insane amount of money into bogus Iraqi contracts.  How many billions will be funneled into Iraq, where will we never see what we paid for or if we do, mafia-style contract jobs (let's cut corners!)?

If you're going to break down fruitless government spending, let's start there, not with fucking NASA.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

well, you're typing your ignorance into a computer

whose very existence might have something to do with NASA

maybe

but then it's clear from your disdain for "facts" that you're not too keen on science

are you really friends with olimario? that would explain all the racism

[Gay Boy]

Did Flame just say NASA is a waste of money?

How is it not?

Because exploring space and setting up camps and stations outside of earth is the only way to save mankind? Earth wont live forever. It is a goal and priority to explore space for this reason.

And don't say omg businesses. You know how new nations were discovered and populated? GOVERNMENTS. Kings and Queens were responsible.

[The Fake Shemp]

The technology and experience gained by NASA is immeasurable, even by Ron Paul's gold standard.  And since global warming does not exist and we are not responsible for any of the climate changes, I guess we'll need NASA to start looking for another planet, because this one is busted.  But it's the planet's fault, not ours.

[FlameOfCallandor]

If anything, NASA needs more funding to adequately support the space program.  Right now, it's languishing, barely able to keep old, broken technology while our government dumps an insane amount of money into bogus Iraqi contracts.  How many billions will be funneled into Iraq, where will we never see what we paid for or if we do, mafia-style contract jobs (let's cut corners!)?

If you're going to break down fruitless government spending, let's start there, not with fucking NASA.

Oh I agree, NASA is nothing compared to everything else. But you didnt really say why NASA needs more money other than "They need more money to be updated"

[FlameOfCallandor]

The technology and experience gained by NASA is immeasurable, even by Ron Paul's gold standard.  And since global warming does not exist and we are not responsible for any of the climate changes, I guess we'll need NASA to start looking for another planet, because this one is busted.  But it's the planet's fault, not ours.

Yea? How so?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Because exploring space and setting up camps and stations outside of earth is the only way to save mankind?

  Oh God, this is funny.


We need to set up space camps to save mankind!!

[The Fake Shemp]

Oh my God.

[Gay Boy]

Because exploring space and setting up camps and stations outside of earth is the only way to save mankind?

  Oh God, this is funny.


We need to set up space camps to save mankind!!

Because...we fucking do? Or does your Ron Paul religion believe the Sun isn't going to die out?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Because...we fucking do? Or does your Ron Paul religion believe the Sun isn't going to die out?

Listen to yourself.

Mankind has lived for tens of thousands of years on earth and now somehow our existence is in the hands of space camps.

[Gay Boy]

Jesus Christ, you really are denying we can't stay on Earth after the Sun is gone.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Jesus Christ, you really are denying we can't stay on Earth after the Sun is gone.

Instead, in 5–6 billion years, it will enter a red giant phase, its outer layers expanding as the hydrogen fuel in the core is consumed and the core contracts and heats up.

5–6 billion years
5–6 billion years

[Gay Boy]

You realize the earth could become impossible to live on MUCH sooner thanks to lovely global warming and pollution?

Oh wait I forgot you don't "believe" in pollution.

[FlameOfCallandor]

You realize the earth could become impossible to live on MUCH sooner thanks to lovely global warming and pollution?

Oh wait I forgot you don't "believe" in pollution.

I dont believe global warming is caused by humans.

[Human Snorenado]

Jesus Christ, you really are denying we can't stay on Earth after the Sun is gone.

Technically, the earth will be uninhabitable long before the sun actually dies.