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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1380 on: December 11, 2007, 05:41:06 PM »

We need the government to protect us from Libertarians.

Yes, because none of us care about private property or rights...  ::)

Here's an example, you dumbfuck:

1) I want to live in a world where I don't have to breathe shitty air.
2) The Libertarian thinks that his right to make a profit supercedes my right to not die of lung cancer.
3) The government tells the Libertarian to STFU for the good of the society as a whole.
4) The Libertarian whines on the Internet about freedom and the Constitution.
5) Meanwhile, I don't get cancer and have 25 more years of life to laugh at Libertarians.

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1381 on: December 11, 2007, 05:43:23 PM »

1) I want to live in a world where I don't have to breathe shitty air.
2) The Libertarian thinks that his right to make a profit supercedes my right to not die of lung cancer.
3) The government tells the Libertarian to STFU for the good of the society as a whole.
4) The Libertarian whines on the Internet about freedom and the Constitution.
5) Meanwhile, I don't get cancer and have 25 more years of life to laugh at Libertarians.

Because our air is unbreathable right now and we are all going to die of cancer unless the government starts a carbon tax?

Right? right?

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« Reply #1382 on: December 11, 2007, 05:45:32 PM »
So...we have to wait until our air becomes unbreathable and people are dying before we take any action? We're not allowed to look at the consequences of our current behaviors and extrapolate out 20, 30, 50 years into the future?

An ounce of gold prevention is worth a pound of paper cure!

As a Supreme Court justice once said (do Libertarians believe in that branch of our government?), "Your right to swing your fist stops where my face begins." But it seems you think you have the right to punch whoever the fuck you want.
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1383 on: December 11, 2007, 05:54:09 PM »
So...we have to wait until our air becomes unbreathable and people are dying before we take any action? We're not allowed to look at the consequences of our current behaviors and extrapolate out 20, 30, 50 years into the future?

IF WE DONT TAX EVERYONES CARBON WE ARE ALL GONNA LIVE LIKE BEJING CHINA!!!!!! CANCER WILL BE EVERYWHERE!!

Seriously take it down a notch with the fearmongering.


As a Supreme Court justice once said (do Libertarians believe in that branch of our government?), "Your right to swing your fist stops where my face begins." But it seems you think you have the right to punch whoever the fuck you want.

Smart man. I probably drive less than you, so you are the one punching everyone else.  :lol

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« Reply #1384 on: December 11, 2007, 05:57:55 PM »

Seriously take it down a notch with the fearmongering.



When you stop with the strawmans, caps, and smiley faces.  :lol :lol :lol

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1385 on: December 11, 2007, 05:58:15 PM »
if you don't think we have a right to have our pollution reduced currently, then at what point does the government have a right to intervene for the sake of the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of its citizens?

do you believe in things like child labor laws and minimum wage, or is that unfair government interference with free enterprise?
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1386 on: December 11, 2007, 06:01:05 PM »
Was it the government's business to end slavery, or should states have been able to continue practicing slavery until they saw the light (no pun intended)?
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« Reply #1387 on: December 11, 2007, 06:17:24 PM »
Was it the government's business to end slavery, or should states have been able to continue practicing slavery until they saw the light (no pun intended)?
There was no amendment to free slaves when Lincoln made the proclamation nor was it in the constitution.

Using FoC's strict constitution based viewpoint the freeing of the slaves was illegal and should have been left to the states.

Which is also why FoC and Ron Paul state LBJ's little civil rights bill was illegal.
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« Reply #1388 on: December 11, 2007, 06:21:47 PM »
Why won't anyone ask Paul this at a debate? jeez
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1389 on: December 11, 2007, 06:24:35 PM »
Why won't anyone ask Paul this at a debate? jeez
Cause we already know the answer. FoC himself said the civil rights bill was illegal.
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1390 on: December 11, 2007, 06:36:32 PM »
if you don't think we have a right to have our pollution reduced currently, then at what point does the government have a right to intervene for the sake of the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of its citizens?


When life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is actually being infringed.

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« Reply #1391 on: December 11, 2007, 06:38:50 PM »
if you don't think we have a right to have our pollution reduced currently, then at what point does the government have a right to intervene for the sake of the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of its citizens?


When life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is actually being infringed.


Do you believe in things like child labor laws and the minimum wage, or do you see that as unfair government interference with free enterprise?
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1392 on: December 11, 2007, 06:39:24 PM »
Was it the government's business to end slavery, or should states have been able to continue practicing slavery until they saw the light (no pun intended)?

Slavery was on its way out anyway. It took state's laws to keep it. States instituted slave patrols and enacted restrictions on manumission. America is the only country that had to fight a war to end slavery.

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« Reply #1393 on: December 11, 2007, 06:40:19 PM »
if you don't think we have a right to have our pollution reduced currently, then at what point does the government have a right to intervene for the sake of the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of its citizens?


When life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is actually being infringed.
lets see
life = polluting the air infringes on this
liberty = pollution infringes on your ability to go where you want and do what you want
pursuit of happiness = not many people are happy when they die from lung cancer


by your logic the govt. NEEDS to take action against CO2.
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« Reply #1394 on: December 11, 2007, 06:40:59 PM »
[youtube=425,350]xo6KIusCBoU[/youtube]

Here ya go.

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1395 on: December 11, 2007, 06:43:12 PM »

When life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is actually being infringed.
lets see
life = polluting the air infringes on this
liberty = pollution infringes on your ability to go where you want and do what you want
pursuit of happiness = not many people are happy when they die from lung cancer


by your logic the govt. NEEDS to take action against CO2.
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Really? I don't feel like my life or liberty is infringed by global warming at all.

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1396 on: December 11, 2007, 06:44:09 PM »
Was it the government's business to end slavery, or should states have been able to continue practicing slavery until they saw the light (no pun intended)?

Slavery was on its way out anyway. It took state's laws to keep it. States instituted slave patrols and enacted restrictions on manumission. America is the only country that had to fight a war to end slavery.

Slavery was not "on its way out" - it was the backbown of the south's economy. It wasn't going anywhere.

But you didn't answer the question.
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« Reply #1397 on: December 11, 2007, 06:44:35 PM »

When life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is actually being infringed.
lets see
life = polluting the air infringes on this
liberty = pollution infringes on your ability to go where you want and do what you want
pursuit of happiness = not many people are happy when they die from lung cancer


by your logic the govt. NEEDS to take action against CO2.

Really? I don't feel like my life or liberty is infringed by global warming at all.

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Dying doesn't infringe on your life?
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1398 on: December 11, 2007, 06:46:24 PM »

Dying doesn't infringe on your life?

Are you dying?

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« Reply #1399 on: December 11, 2007, 06:47:01 PM »

Dying doesn't infringe on your life?

Are you dying?
various animals and fish types are.
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1400 on: December 11, 2007, 06:49:34 PM »

Dying doesn't infringe on your life?

Are you dying?
various animals and fish types are.

They aren't protected under the constitution dummy!
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1401 on: December 11, 2007, 06:49:55 PM »
apparently, FoC doesn't believe in "dying"

life and death are two Manichean states of existence with a binary switch to transition between the two
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1402 on: December 11, 2007, 06:50:13 PM »

Dying doesn't infringe on your life?

Are you dying?
various animals and fish types are.

Links and then tell me what we can do to save them that isnt being done already.

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1403 on: December 11, 2007, 06:51:38 PM »
Raise your hand if you are
 dying becuase of global warming

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« Reply #1404 on: December 11, 2007, 06:53:34 PM »
so we have to wait till global warming is so bad it is killing us and thus impossible to stop do to anything? How does that make any sense.

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1405 on: December 11, 2007, 06:53:56 PM »
uh oh, he's using big fonts!

I'm not sure how to respond to this dialectic technique

wait, bigger fonts!

I'M RAISING MY HAND
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1406 on: December 11, 2007, 06:54:53 PM »
Aids isnt caused by global warming dude.

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1407 on: December 11, 2007, 06:55:38 PM »
so we have to wait till global warming is so bad it is killing us and thus impossible to stop do to anything? How does that make any sense.

What do we do then?

I'll pretend to believe global warming is caused by humans. What do we do?

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« Reply #1408 on: December 11, 2007, 07:22:13 PM »
Socialism, had at work.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/09/wchavez109.xml
Hugo Chavez invents new half-hour time zone
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"These children have to get up at five in the morning... they arrive at school dead tired," said Mr Chavez. "And why? Because of our time."



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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1409 on: December 11, 2007, 07:23:51 PM »
I love how you didn't answer Patel's question about child labor, or mine about slavery  :lol
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1410 on: December 11, 2007, 07:25:11 PM »
dude, Chavez is totally a dictator! therefore Ron Paul Constitution.
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1411 on: December 11, 2007, 07:44:37 PM »
*crickets*
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« Reply #1412 on: December 11, 2007, 08:03:24 PM »
http://science-sepp.blogspot.com/2007/12/press-release-dec-10-2007.html

Science & Environmental Policy Project
Climate warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence:
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant.




 :o :o

Cheebs what say you.

Fred Singer and John Christy don't believe in global warming?

Next you'll say William Dembski and Michael Behe don't believe in evolution!

What earth-shattering revelations!

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1413 on: December 11, 2007, 08:16:42 PM »
There is NO WAY foc still has that girlfriend still. He spends like 10 hours a day here and still has dozens of links every day. It's impossible.
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1414 on: December 11, 2007, 08:17:45 PM »
http://www.mises.org/story/2795
Are Carbon Emissions the Cause of Global Warming?

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1415 on: December 11, 2007, 08:21:08 PM »
thanks for answering our questions, it's been a pleasure to engage in civilized discourse with you

by the way, you might want to unhitch your cart from Mises' horse
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« Reply #1416 on: December 11, 2007, 08:32:30 PM »
Who wants to break out the lecture on the scientific process and peer review and all that stuff?

I call Not It.

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« Reply #1417 on: December 11, 2007, 08:33:40 PM »
PEER REVIEW?? Sounds socialist to me!!
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1418 on: December 11, 2007, 08:46:50 PM »
so guys whats more funny

foc's batshit insane ideas and the fact he believes them 100%

or

the fact he believes america AGREES with his ideas and ron paul will be the nominee come feb, no question about it?
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1419 on: December 11, 2007, 08:55:44 PM »
so guys whats more funny

foc's batshit insane ideas and the fact he believes them 100%

or

the fact he believes america AGREES with his ideas and ron paul will be the nominee come feb, no question about it?

The fact that Patel's cafeteria is basically the bomb diggity.  Or maybe the fact that I just said "bomb diggity".
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1420 on: December 11, 2007, 08:56:51 PM »
so guys whats more funny

foc's batshit insane ideas and the fact he believes them 100%

or

the fact he believes america AGREES with his ideas and ron paul will be the nominee come feb, no question about it?
The second option, since it is easily falsifiable.

Actually, the gold standard is funnier. It's gold Jerry. GOLD!

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1421 on: December 12, 2007, 01:14:56 AM »
Ron Paul supporters in Mobila, Alabama:



[youtube=425,350]bZfyrIPw3wY[/youtube]
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« Reply #1422 on: December 12, 2007, 01:21:04 AM »
 :lol :lol :lol
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« Reply #1423 on: December 12, 2007, 11:32:46 AM »
IRS info
[youtube=425,350]-PvaNWrkFeQ[/youtube]


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« Reply #1424 on: December 12, 2007, 11:33:25 AM »
Ron Paul supporters in Mobila, Alabama:


:lol

That video is pretty funny.

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« Reply #1425 on: December 12, 2007, 12:23:53 PM »
Ron Paul supporters in Mobila, Alabama:

"Could Ron Paul win? Lemme hear you say yeah!"


"You never know nicca!"
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1426 on: December 12, 2007, 12:24:47 PM »
 :lol I love you Tauntaun

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« Reply #1427 on: December 12, 2007, 09:38:32 PM »
Alaska polls

Which Republican presidential candidate will you support in Alaska's caucus?

Rudy Giuliani -- 14%
Mike Huckabee -- 22%
John McCain -- 9%
Ron Paul -- 29%
Mitt Romney -- 9%
Fred Thompson -- 12%
Other -- 6%


http://ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=7479052

 :drudge
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« Reply #1428 on: December 12, 2007, 09:54:42 PM »
Whoop Whoop.

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« Reply #1429 on: December 12, 2007, 09:57:39 PM »
Does Alaska have a strong libertarian base?

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« Reply #1430 on: December 12, 2007, 09:59:49 PM »
strong and stupid; they consistently elect the most crooked and venal republican senators and governors based entirely on false promises of liberty

this is the company you keep, ding dong
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« Reply #1431 on: December 12, 2007, 10:00:19 PM »
LNC resolution to Ron Paul
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Charleston, SC – In a meeting of the Libertarian National Committee held this weekend in Charleston, South Carolina, former Congressman Bob Barr proposed a resolution urging Congressman Ron Paul to seek the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination.  

The resolution passed unanimously and is included below:

WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party and Congressman Ron Paul share many common principles for liberty and prosperity in America, and

WHEREAS, Congressman Ron Paul is a member of the Libertarian Party in good standing, and

WHEREAS, Congressman Ron Paul was previously nominated by the delegates of the Libertarian National Convention to serve as the Libertarian Party’s 1988 presidential candidate, and

WHEREAS, Congressman Ron Paul, through the efforts of his current presidential campaign, has ignited a renewed passion for liberty across America, and

WHEREAS, for over 35 years, the members of the Libertarian Party have continually fought for liberty through activism, education and the political process, and

WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party and its members have remained respectful, and in many cases, supportive of Congressman Ron Paul’s campaign seeking the Republican presidential nomination, and

WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Committee encourages competition in the race for the Libertarian Party’s presidential nomination and is appreciative of all candidates who make the commitment to run;

NOW THEREFORE, in the event that Republican primary voters select a candidate other than Congressman Paul in February of 2008, the Libertarian National Committee urges Congressman Ron Paul to seek the presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party to be decided in Denver, Colorado during Memorial Day weekend of 2008.

FURTHERMORE, The Libertarian National Committee congratulates Congressman Paul for his success in spreading a message of peace, prosperity and freedom and also thanks the thousands of activists and supporters across the United States who have made this unprecedented success possible.

RESOLUTION ADOPTED unanimously by vote of the Libertarian National Committee, the 9th day of December 2007, in the city of Charleston, State of South Carolina, United States of America.
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« Reply #1432 on: December 12, 2007, 10:01:26 PM »
Ron Paul is about as far from corrupt as you can be. You fail drinky. Better find some new material.

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« Reply #1433 on: December 12, 2007, 10:01:53 PM »
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Charleston, SC – In a meeting of the Libertarian National Committee held this weekend in Charleston, South Carolina, former Congressman Bob Barr proposed a resolution urging Congressman Ron Paul to seek the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination. 

The resolution passed unanimously and is included below:

WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party and Congressman Ron Paul share many common principles for liberty and prosperity in America, and

WHEREAS, Congressman Ron Paul is a member of the Libertarian Party in good standing, and

WHEREAS, Congressman Ron Paul was previously nominated by the delegates of the Libertarian National Convention to serve as the Libertarian Party’s 1988 presidential candidate, and

WHEREAS, Congressman Ron Paul, through the efforts of his current presidential campaign, has ignited a renewed passion for liberty across America, and

WHEREAS, for over 35 years, the members of the Libertarian Party have continually fought for liberty through activism, education and the political process, and

WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party and its members have remained respectful, and in many cases, supportive of Congressman Ron Paul’s campaign seeking the Republican presidential nomination, and

WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Committee encourages competition in the race for the Libertarian Party’s presidential nomination and is appreciative of all candidates who make the commitment to run;

NOW THEREFORE, in the event that Republican primary voters select a candidate other than Congressman Paul in February of 2008, the Libertarian National Committee urges Congressman Ron Paul to seek the presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party to be decided in Denver, Colorado during Memorial Day weekend of 2008.

FURTHERMORE, The Libertarian National Committee congratulates Congressman Paul for his success in spreading a message of peace, prosperity and freedom and also thanks the thousands of activists and supporters across the United States who have made this unprecedented success possible.

RESOLUTION ADOPTED unanimously by vote of the Libertarian National Committee, the 9th day of December 2007, in the city of Charleston, State of South Carolina, United States of America.

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« Reply #1434 on: December 12, 2007, 10:04:38 PM »
The Pollution Solution: Stopping the environment's worst enemy

BY DR. MARY RUWART
Who's the greatest polluter of all? The oil companies? The chemical companies? The nuclear power plants?

If you guessed "none of the above," you'd be correct. Our government, at the federal, state, and local levels, is the single greatest polluter in the land. In addition, our government doesn't even clean up its own garbage!

In 1988, for example, the EPA demanded that the Departments of Energy and Defense clean up 17 of their weapons plants which were leaking radioactive and toxic chemicals -- enough contamination to cost $100 billion in clean-up costs over 50 years! The EPA was simply ignored. No bureaucrats went to jail or were sued for damages. Government departments have sovereign immunity.

In 1984, a Utah court ruled that the U.S. military was negligent in its nuclear testing, causing serious health problems (e.g. death) for the people exposed to radioactive fallout. The Court of Appeals dismissed the claims of the victims, because government employees have sovereign immunity.

Hooker Chemical begged the Niagara Falls School Board not to excavate the land where Hooker had safely stored toxic chemical waste. The school board ignored these warnings and taxpayers had to foot a $30 million relocation bill when health problems arose. The EPA filed suit, not against the reckless school board, but against Hooker Chemical! Government officials have sovereign immunity.

Government, both federal and local, is the greatest single polluter in the U.S. This polluter literally gets away with murder because of sovereign immunity. Libertarians would make government as responsible for its actions as everyone else is expected to be. Libertarians would protect the environment by first abolishing sovereign immunity.

By turning to government for environmental protection, we've placed the fox in charge of the hen house -- and a very large hen house it is! Governments, both federal and local, control over 40% of our country's land mass. Unfortunately, government's stewardship over our land is gradually destroying it.

For example, the Bureau of Land Management controls an area almost twice the size of Texas, including nearly all of Alaska and Nevada. Much of this land is rented to ranchers for grazing cattle. Because ranchers are only renting the land, they have no incentive to take care of it. Not surprisingly, studies as early as 1925 indicated that cattle were twice as likely to die on public ranges and had half as many calves as animals grazing on private lands.

Obviously, owners make better environmental guardians than renters. If the government sold its acreage to private ranchers, the new owners would make sure that they grazed the land sustainably to maximize profit and yield.

Indeed, ownership of wildlife can literally save endangered species from extinction. Between 1979 and 1989, Kenya banned elephant hunting, yet the number of these noble beasts dropped from 65,000 to 19,000. In Zimbabwe during the same time period, however, elephants could be legally owned and sold. The number of elephants increased from 30,000 to 43,000 as their owners became fiercely protective of their "property." Poachers didn't have a chance!

Similarly, commercialization of the buffalo saved it from extinction. We never worry about cattle becoming extinct, because their status as valuable "property" encourages their propagation. The second step libertarians would take to protect the environment and save endangered species would be to encourage private ownership of both land and animals.

Environmentalists were once wary of private ownership, but now recognize that establishing the property rights of native people, for example, has become an effective strategy to save the rain forests. Do you remember the movie, Medicine Man, where scientist Sean Connery discovers a miracle drug in the rain forest ecology? Unfortunately, the life-saving compound is literally bulldozed under when the government turns the rain forest over to corporate interests. The natives that scientist Connery lives with are driven from their forest home. Their homesteading rights are simply ignored by their own government!

Our own Native Americans were driven from their rightful lands as well. Similarly, our national forests are turned over to logging companies, just as the rain forests are. By 1985, the U.S. Forest Service had built 350,000 miles of logging roads with our tax dollars -- outstripping our interstate highway system by a factor of eight! In the meantime, hiking trails declined by 30%. Clearly, our government serves special interest groups instead of protecting our environmental heritage.

Even our national parks are not immune from abuse. Yellowstone's Park Service once encouraged employees to trap predators (e.g., wolves, fox, etc.) so that the hoofed mammals favored by visitors would flourish. Not surprisingly, the ecological balance was upset. The larger elk drove out the deer and sheep, trampled the riverbanks, and destroyed beaver habitat. Without the beavers, the water fowl, mink, otter, and trout were threatened. Without the trout or the shrubs and berries that once lined the riverbanks, grizzlies began to endanger park visitors in their search for food. As a result, park officials had to remove the bears and have started bringing back the wolves.

Wouldn't we be better served if naturalist organizations, such as the Audubon Society or Nature Conservancy, took over the management of our precious parks? The Audubon Society's Rainey Wildlife Sanctuary partially supports itself with natural gas wells operated in an ecologically sound manner. In addition to preserving the sensitive habitat, the Society shows how technology and ecology can co-exist peacefully and profitably.

The environment would benefit immensely from the elimination of sovereign immunity coupled with the privatization of "land and beast." The third and final step in the libertarian program to save the environment is the use of restitution both as a deterrent and a restorative. Next month's column will feature the second part of the Pollution Solution, answering the question: "How would libertarians keep our air and water clean?"

Mary J. Ruwart, Ph.D., is the author of Healing Our World: The Other Piece of the Puzzle, a liberty primer for liberals, Christians, New Agers, and pragmatists. She also wrote Short Answers to the Tough Questions: Sound Bites for the Libertarian Candidate after her Internet column (www.self-gov.org) of the same name.

Van Cruncheon

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1435 on: December 12, 2007, 10:09:08 PM »
Ron Paul is about as far from corrupt as you can be. You fail drinky. Better find some new material.

i don't think he's corrupt. i actually think he's the other side of the political coin: fuck-all naive.
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1436 on: December 12, 2007, 10:15:10 PM »
LNC resolution to Ron Paul
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Charleston, SC – In a meeting of the Libertarian National Committee held this weekend in Charleston, South Carolina, former Congressman Bob Barr proposed a resolution urging Congressman Ron Paul to seek the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination. 

The resolution passed unanimously and is included below:

WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party and Congressman Ron Paul share many common principles for liberty and prosperity in America, and

WHEREAS, Congressman Ron Paul is a member of the Libertarian Party in good standing, and

WHEREAS, Congressman Ron Paul was previously nominated by the delegates of the Libertarian National Convention to serve as the Libertarian Party’s 1988 presidential candidate, and

WHEREAS, Congressman Ron Paul, through the efforts of his current presidential campaign, has ignited a renewed passion for liberty across America, and

WHEREAS, for over 35 years, the members of the Libertarian Party have continually fought for liberty through activism, education and the political process, and

WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party and its members have remained respectful, and in many cases, supportive of Congressman Ron Paul’s campaign seeking the Republican presidential nomination, and

WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Committee encourages competition in the race for the Libertarian Party’s presidential nomination and is appreciative of all candidates who make the commitment to run;

NOW THEREFORE, in the event that Republican primary voters select a candidate other than Congressman Paul in February of 2008, the Libertarian National Committee urges Congressman Ron Paul to seek the presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party to be decided in Denver, Colorado during Memorial Day weekend of 2008.

FURTHERMORE, The Libertarian National Committee congratulates Congressman Paul for his success in spreading a message of peace, prosperity and freedom and also thanks the thousands of activists and supporters across the United States who have made this unprecedented success possible.

RESOLUTION ADOPTED unanimously by vote of the Libertarian National Committee, the 9th day of December 2007, in the city of Charleston, State of South Carolina, United States of America.
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Ron Paul has said many times this campaign season he will not run on a third party ticket, that he has already done that (in '88) and will not do it again.
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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1438 on: December 12, 2007, 10:17:16 PM »
]Ron Paul has said many times this campaign season he will not run on a third party ticket, that he has already done that (in '88) and will not do it again.

I know, but he's only saying that right now because he needs the GOP. Hid fans will not let him not run as a third party.

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Re: The Ron Paul Shitheap of repeated FoC ownage and ignorance
« Reply #1439 on: December 12, 2007, 10:19:47 PM »
Then what? WIN as a third party? You think that is possible? Because it's even less possible than winning a primary.
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