FoC's Ron Paul Shitheap: Patel Melts the Internets starting on pg. 24

[FlameOfCallandor]

But that does not logically follow.  How is ethnic cleansing similar to minority rights, in the least?

They are bother arbitrary words not defined anywhere in our rule of law. What you consider a human right is not the same as others.

[TVC15]

Dude, you don't even know what you're talking about.  I don't even know why I came in here.

I need to follow my own advice.

[Gay Boy]

Here is a new one for you then. The south was hell bent against civil rights for blacks in the 60's. No chance of it EVER passing on a state level there. Blacks were given rights due to a strong central government.

Should it have been left to the states? States like texas would never have passed it till the 70's if not longer.

It still would have passed without any force from the federal government.

a civil rights bill for blacks would pass in texas in the mid 60's

Thats a fucking JOKE. The racism in the south would never let it pass. you honestly thought the south would give blacks civil rights in the 60's with no force at all? What world do you live in where the south wasn't racist in the 60's?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

so, in conclusion

all people are equal

but if states want to treat people inequally, that's their deal

corporations > states > people

THE END

[FlameOfCallandor]

Thats a fucking JOKE. The racism in the south would never let it pass. you honestly thought the south would give blacks civil rights in the 60's with no force at all? What world do you live in where the south wasn't racist in the 60's?

I never said they were not racist, I am only saying that times WERE changing without the federal government intervening. If noting else the commercialization (A business practice) would have ended for sure.

[FlameOfCallandor]

so, in conclusion
all people are equal
but if states want to treat people inequally, that's their deal
corporations > states > people

People>Business>Government

[Gay Boy]

holy shit. Did you just say corporations would have solved the civil rights issue in the 60's?

What if you were right and they could. But it would take an extra 10 years. Whats more important.

Sticking to the constitution but it would result in a small delay of civil rights.

Or a central govt. focus president forcing congress by force (physical force in LBJ's case) to grant rights nationally in the 60's letting them have it early.

What wins out, human dignity or the constitution?

[TVC15]

Thats a fucking JOKE. The racism in the south would never let it pass. you honestly thought the south would give blacks civil rights in the 60's with no force at all? What world do you live in where the south wasn't racist in the 60's?

I never said they were not racist, I am only saying that times WERE changing without the federal government intervening. If noting else the commercialization (A business practice) would have ended for sure.

OH JESUS.  I AM CLOSING THE BROWSER WINDOW NOW

[FlameOfCallandor]

holy shit. Did you just say corporations would have solved the civil rights issue in the 60's?

Yes. You think Target would have a sign outside banning black people? 

[Gay Boy]

holy shit. Did you just say corporations would have solved the civil rights issue in the 60's?

Yes. You think Target would have a sign outside banning black people? 

Stores DID IN THE 60's!!!! You know what stopped it? LBJ forcing civil rights bill down the souths throat at the national level.

Businesses, the people, and the south were not ready AT ALL for civil rights when it was granted. Blacks got it before a large part of america was ready, but it was the right thing to do.

[FlameOfCallandor]

This is Patel and Cheebs


Government>>>>>>>>>>>>Busines>>>>>>>>people

[FlameOfCallandor]

holy shit. Did you just say corporations would have solved the civil rights issue in the 60's?

Yes. You think Target would have a sign outside banning black people? 

Stores DID IN THE 60's!!!! You know what stopped it? LBJ forcing civil rights bill down the souths throat at the national level.

I wasn't talking about some shitty mom and pop stores. Read what I said.

[Gay Boy]

you honestly think it was just mom & pop stores?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Hey cheebs, I read this a while back while at a book store. YOu should check it out. Im sure even you could understand it.

[FlameOfCallandor]

When you are down with that I can recommend some meatier books.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

holy shit. Did you just say corporations would have solved the civil rights issue in the 60's?

Yes. You think Target would have a sign outside banning black people? 

OH MY FUCKING CHRIST

[Gay Boy]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

[FlameOfCallandor]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

AND THe ONLy WAY BLACK PEOPLE WILL EVER BE EQUAL IS IF THE GOVERNMENT THROWS MONEY AT THEM!!!!

[Gay Boy]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

AND THe ONLy WAY BLACK PEOPLE WILL EVER BE EQUAL IS IF THE GOVERNMENT THROWS MONEY AT THEM!!!!

Did I say that? But if capitalism defeats racism how come there is a racial divide when it comes to capital?

[Flannel Boy]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

Is this why there is large gap between South Asian and white incomes? A difference in outcomes between groups is not in itself evidence of racism, sexism, or xenophobia.

[FlameOfCallandor]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

AND THe ONLy WAY BLACK PEOPLE WILL EVER BE EQUAL IS IF THE GOVERNMENT THROWS MONEY AT THEM!!!!

Did I say that? But if capitalism defeats racism how come there is a racial divide when it comes to capital?

Because we dont live in a true capitalistic society. The welfare system keeps people poor.

[Gay Boy]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

Is this why there is large gap between South Asian and white incomes? A difference in outcomes between groups is not in itself evidence of racism, sexism, or xenophobia.

it isn't but how did capitalism cure racism?

[Flannel Boy]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

Is this why there is large gap between South Asian and white incomes? A difference in outcomes between groups is not in itself evidence of racism, sexism, or xenophobia.

it isn't but how did capitalism cure racism?

Did *I* say anything so idiotic? Capitalism by itself can not end social problems. And can in fact often exasperate social ills. 

[FlameOfCallandor]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

Is this why there is large gap between South Asian and white incomes? A difference in outcomes between groups is not in itself evidence of racism, sexism, or xenophobia.

it isn't but how did capitalism cure racism?

You first tell me how government "Cured" racism. LOL

[Gay Boy]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

Is this why there is large gap between South Asian and white incomes? A difference in outcomes between groups is not in itself evidence of racism, sexism, or xenophobia.

it isn't but how did capitalism cure racism?

Did *I* say anything so idiotic? Capitalism by itself can not end social problems. And can in fact often exasperate social ills. 

I was just saying it to rile FoC up to spurt out nonsense

[Flannel Boy]

capitalism defeats racism?

Is that why there is a huge gap between average income for black americans compared to white ones?

Is this why there is large gap between South Asian and white incomes? A difference in outcomes between groups is not in itself evidence of racism, sexism, or xenophobia.

it isn't but how did capitalism cure racism?

You first tell me how government "Cured" racism. LOL

Nobody is making such a claim. Government action may reduce racism though it certainly cannot cure racism. However, a book--that you endorse--does make a near identical claim about the powers of capitalism to defeat racism. 

[Mandark]

Lott, as his recent memoir demonstrates, is typical of the kind of Southerner who doesn't think he's a racist and would have apoplexy if anyone suggested that he is, but who still disapproves of the government's role in implementing desegregation; if you ask him, in the right setting in front of the right tobacco-juice-stained crowd, he'll be happy to explain that, while he's happy as a clam that whites and blacks can share the same drinking fountain in Mississippi now, it was a dastardly act for the gummint to force all those good Mississippians to do what they'd never done before but would have been delighted to do, of their own free will, at some point. It's just a shame that the mean ol' gummint made them do it, thus muddying the issue. As a child in Mississippi in the 1970s, I grew up hearing this line of manure from the local grown-ups, who would apply it to everything from the minimum wage to the Clean Water Act to the attempt to pass the Equal Rights Amendment. By forcing them to do the obvious right thing, gummint was leaning on the common people, and it wasn't fair. Heck, the worst thing about it was the suggestion that they had to be forced, by law, to do the obvious decent thing. It was true they'd never done it before, but they had been planning to get around to it, and probably would have done it five minutes after the law had been passed, if gummint hadn't gone and gotten its panties in a bunch.

Can't really say it better than that.

[FlameOfCallandor]

In a capitalistic system only one thing reigns supreme. That is money. It doesnt matter where it is coming from or what color your skin is.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Why are we even debating about the civil rights act. It's not going anywhere and it's here to stay. I dont think We will be drinking out of separate fountains if Ron Paul is elected president.

[Gay Boy]

Why are we even debating about the civil rights act. It's not going anywhere and it's here to stay. I dont think We will be drinking out of separate fountains if Ron Paul is elected president.

We would be if he was president in 1960. At least for longer than we did.

[Mandark]

Did *I* say anything so idiotic? Capitalism by itself can not end social problems. And can in fact often exasperate social ills. 

Tsk tsk!

[TVC15]

Why are we even debating about the civil rights act. It's not going anywhere and it's here to stay. I dont think We will be drinking out of separate fountains if Ron Paul is elected president.

You think Ron would let unjust laws like the civil rights act stand?!  WHY DO YOU HATE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!??

[Flannel Boy]

In a capitalistic system only one thing reigns supreme. That is money. It doesnt matter where it is coming from or what color your skin is.

In any system one things reigns supreme; and that is human nature. If it wasn't as flawed as it is we wouldn't have a state, and we wouldn't have laws, rights, and protections. Money doesn't care about anything, and so I suppose that it doesn't care about color. People do.

Did *I* say anything so idiotic? Capitalism by itself can not end social problems. And can in fact often exasperate social ills. 

Tsk tsk!

I blame this on NyQuil. I had to take a nap before work and...

[TVC15]

NyQuil cares about people.

[Flannel Boy]

NyQuil cares about people.

Liar.

[FlameOfCallandor]

And its human nature to care about money.

[TVC15]

That's not particularly true.  It is human nature to care about what you need, and the structure of society dictates that we need money.  Me?  I don't personally care about money, but then again, I have a decent job, so I do not need it.

[Human Snorenado]

I'm really tempted to close this thread down until Paul starts losing primaries.

[TVC15]

Unfortunately, it serves a purpose.  I imagine that without this thread, he'd be spouting this crap uncontained.  Be glad that you constructed a fish tank strong enough to hold the biggest, dumbest, and smelliest catfish on EB.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

rename this thread from "shitheap" to "SUPERFUND site"

or is taxing corporations to CLEAN UP THEIR HUMAN-KILLING TOXIC WASTE unconstitutional?!?!!?!?!

let the free market decide if poor people get cancer or not!!!

AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHh

[Phoenix Dark]

After half reading these last few pages it's pretty clear why strict "libertarians" don't get elected, and when they do they don't hold any powerful positions (ie Paul).

With respect to the Civil War, to classify it as "good guys vs bad guys" would be beyond simplistic. I'm not defending anyone who supported racism, but at the same time imagine if you lived in a southern state and your family was threatened like that. You'd fight to protect your land and family. Many people did that, and payed the price. I'm not going to call every confederate soldier "bad."

[brawndolicious]

most of the descendants of the people that were pro-segregation in the 60's are probably still pro-segregation.  the majority were moderate and didn't care too much either way but didn't want life to "change".  on a state level, it was obvious what sorts of views the politicians had to have in order to get elected (that one alabama governor getting picked up and carried out of the way of in front of a school).  it is utterly distinguished mentally-challenged to think segregation would stop by today if it wasn't forced by the federal government.  saying corporations would have to expand to the black market is also distinguished mentally-challenged cause blacks were poor in comparison to the whites.  saying that the blacks should then educate themselves and raise their social status (which takes a couple generations in the most optimistic situations) is also distinguished mentally-challenged because schools were lower standard for blacks and no southern university would accept you of course and it was wrong for a black man to go to a library and read or check out a book (according to first hand stories from black people who lived in the south during segregation).

you're asking everybody in the south that votes (whites) to change their lifestyle just for the sake of it?

[Mandark]

Because what's right is that state's rights are more important than human rights!  Makes a lot of sense, right?

Who decides "human rights." Thats a very arbitrary term.

You've got it backwards.  As a libertarian, you believe in absolute natural rights, including the rights to private property and contract.

Unless the government should get out of the business of protecting private property and enforcing contracts.  That'll be fun.

[demi]

Did *I* say anything so idiotic? Capitalism by itself can not end social problems. And can in fact often exasperate social ills. 

Tsk tsk!

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN!?

sorry i had to, omg

[FlameOfCallandor]

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Ron Paul on Mad Money

[Gay Boy]

Jim Cramer is a big Hillary fan you know.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Jim Cramer is a big Hillary fan you know.

Doesnt look like it to me.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Here is a video for all you japafags out there.
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[Gay Boy]

Jim Cramer is a big Hillary fan you know.

Doesnt look like it to me.

He is. He is on chris matthews sunday show a lot. A few weeks ago this exchange roughly happened

Matthews: You are a democrat aren't you!
Jim Cramer: Well...yeah but I am not voting in the primary.
Matthews: Come on! At least say who'll you'll support.
Jim Cramer: All I'll say is all the democrats on wall street are putting their money behind Hillary!

[FlameOfCallandor]

He is. He is on chris matthews sunday show a lot. A few weeks ago this exchange roughly happened

Matthews: You are a democrat aren't you!
Jim Cramer: Well...yeah but I am not voting in the primary.
Matthews: Come on! At least say who'll you'll support.
Jim Cramer: All I'll say is all the democrats on wall street are putting their money behind Hillary!

Did you watch that video? He basically gave ROn Paul a hand job on the air.

[Gay Boy]

He is. He is on chris matthews sunday show a lot. A few weeks ago this exchange roughly happened

Matthews: You are a democrat aren't you!
Jim Cramer: Well...yeah but I am not voting in the primary.
Matthews: Come on! At least say who'll you'll support.
Jim Cramer: All I'll say is all the democrats on wall street are putting their money behind Hillary!

Did you watch that video? He basically gave ROn Paul a hand job on the air.

I know. I saw it. But he is a democrat and is a big time hillary fan. LAST WEEK he said Hillary will be the best president for wall street out of them all. Cramer is a big time anti-republican democrat.

Edit: Useless to argue now. Hillary website lists Jim Cramer as an official supporter of her campaign.

Also this:

Jim Cramer, host of CNBC's "Mad Money." Predicted Hillary would be the next president in an intervew with the LA Times. Asked if that would be good or bad for the financial markets, Cramer responded: "Real good." Sept. 7, 2007.

The subject was the sub-prime mess, the big unknown still hanging over the financial markets, and hanging over the heads of millions of homeowners who face losing their homes when the lousy loans they signed on to are re-set at higher rates.

    So does anybody have any plans to address this problem and if so, whom?  According to Cramer, only Hillary Clinton.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I know. I saw it. But he is a democrat and is a big time hillary fan. LAST WEEK he said Hillary will be the best president for wall street out of them all. Cramer is a big time anti-republican democrat.

Edit: Useless to argue now. Hillary website lists Jim Cramer as an official supporter of her campaign

Then Jim Cramer is a dumb ass, he supports candidates that dont agree with his views.

[Gay Boy]

I know. I saw it. But he is a democrat and is a big time hillary fan. LAST WEEK he said Hillary will be the best president for wall street out of them all. Cramer is a big time anti-republican democrat.

Edit: Useless to argue now. Hillary website lists Jim Cramer as an official supporter of her campaign

Then Jim Cramer is a dumb ass, he supports candidates that dont agree with his views.

Cramer is pretty close to the Clintons. Its a loyalty thing.

[FlameOfCallandor]

It's a good thing the country is voting more on loyalty than on political views. *Whew

[Phoenix Dark]

I know. I saw it. But he is a democrat and is a big time hillary fan. LAST WEEK he said Hillary will be the best president for wall street out of them all. Cramer is a big time anti-republican democrat.

Edit: Useless to argue now. Hillary website lists Jim Cramer as an official supporter of her campaign

Then Jim Cramer is a dumb ass, he supports candidates that dont agree with his views.

Ah, so now he's a dumbess for supporting the candidate you don't like. Brilliant

[Howard Alan Treesong]

poor FoC, convinced that everyone is a closet Ron Paul fan, if only they'd open their eyes and see what they REALLY believe

[Van Cruncheon]

do ron paul distinguished mentally-challenged fellows even understand what freedom is in a society, any why some people find their definition not only noisome but unwelcome

[Phoenix Dark]

read the constitution assholes

[Gay Boy]

FoC do you watch Tucker on MSNBC? He officially supports Ron Paul.

[Human Snorenado]

Bill Maher is also a fan, despite being (properly) dismissive of Paul at first.