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« Reply #1800 on: December 18, 2007, 07:08:30 PM »
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Many parents have already shown their desire to be free of federal control by either enrolling their children in private schools or homeschooling them.

hey PD, what does your mom think of the federal government?

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« Reply #1801 on: December 18, 2007, 07:09:47 PM »


people are always free to set the bar wherever they want -- it's just that without society enforcing a high standard of minimum expectations, most people -- who are NOT driven geniuses -- will end up self-justifying wastes of breath,

So then how did the human race achieve great things before central planning helped "raise" the bar for us?

If you didn't realize it, the civilized world was pretty shitty up until like, the industrial revolution, and in my opinion, even after that.  If you weren't born into good things, you would not have anything resembling an easy life.
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« Reply #1802 on: December 18, 2007, 07:10:34 PM »


people are always free to set the bar wherever they want -- it's just that without society enforcing a high standard of minimum expectations, most people -- who are NOT driven geniuses -- will end up self-justifying wastes of breath,

So then how did the human race achieve great things before central planning helped "raise" the bar for us?

If you didn't realize it, the civilized world was pretty shitty up until like, the industrial revolution, and in my opinion, even after that.

yeah, uh, civilization kind of began in 1920
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« Reply #1803 on: December 18, 2007, 07:11:08 PM »
If you didn't realize it, the civilized world was pretty shitty up until like, the industrial revolution, and in my opinion, even after that.

But you Cant deny that humans achieved really great things before the industrial revolution.

Also the industrial revolution was brought to us by capitalism.  ;)

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« Reply #1804 on: December 18, 2007, 07:12:17 PM »


people are always free to set the bar wherever they want -- it's just that without society enforcing a high standard of minimum expectations, most people -- who are NOT driven geniuses -- will end up self-justifying wastes of breath,

So then how did the human race achieve great things before central planning helped "raise" the bar for us?

If you didn't realize it, the civilized world was pretty shitty up until like, the industrial revolution, and in my opinion, even after that.

yeah, uh, civilization kind of began in 1920

Even a shitty-by-US-standards blue collar existence would have seemed like science fiction utopian pornography to a prole just a hundred years ago.  We effectively live in a paradise that all previous existence couldn't have dreamed of in its wildest opium delusions.

If you didn't realize it, the civilized world was pretty shitty up until like, the industrial revolution, and in my opinion, even after that.

But you Cant deny that humans achieved really great things before the industrial revolution.

Also the industrial revolution was brought to us by capitalism.  ;)

Sure they did, but the majority of people that did great things were born with spoons in their mouths.  Men of good fortune.  Today, everyone has a bit of good fortune in their life.
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« Reply #1805 on: December 18, 2007, 07:13:32 PM »
foc, that link of yours had no points in it.  it's all just rhetoric.  "the federal govenrment failed so I want to abolish the DoE".  He doesn't say how it failed.  it's obvious he's just doing all of this for attention cause there's no way his bill would pass.

for poor people housing projects, he offers no help.  they basically stay poor and more miserable than everybody else.  what a great fuckhead.

I can't believe I read that shit.  I ask you for what is his solution and you post rhetoric that's from some jizzsuck speech of his.  jesus fuck god.

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« Reply #1806 on: December 18, 2007, 07:20:29 PM »
foc, that link of yours had no points in it.  it's all just rhetoric.  "the federal govenrment failed so I want to abolish the DoE".  He doesn't say how it failed.  it's obvious he's just doing all of this for attention cause there's no way his bill would pass.

for poor people housing projects, he offers no help.  they basically stay poor and more miserable than everybody else.  what a great fuckhead.

I can't believe I read that shit.  I ask you for what is his solution and you post rhetoric that's from some jizzsuck speech of his.  jesus fuck god.

Tell me what the Department of Education has done to raise the poor housing projects kids education? And then tell me if it's working.

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« Reply #1807 on: December 18, 2007, 07:29:56 PM »
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Many parents have already shown their desire to be free of federal control by either enrolling their children in private schools or homeschooling them.

hey PD, what does your mom think of the federal government?

That had nothing to do with her decision lol. It had more to do with her wanting full influence over our education instead of some semi qualified, apathetic person getting under payed and over worked
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« Reply #1808 on: December 18, 2007, 08:13:35 PM »
I don't think you've earned the right to tell other people in this thread what to do!
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« Reply #1809 on: December 18, 2007, 10:06:50 PM »
that's exactly what I'm talking about PD.  you can't just let states decide to "set the bar low".

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« Reply #1810 on: December 19, 2007, 12:17:00 AM »
So then how did the human race achieve great things before central planning helped "raise" the bar for us?
Great scientific and artistic achievements generally came from an elite, educated class that were supported by property, and by the large, illiterate peasant class that worked the land.  90%+ of the population never went to school, so there was no chance of a George Washington Carver happening.

The great engineering achievements mostly DID come from central planning.  You think the invisible hand was responsible for the Roman aqueducts, roads, bridges, and Colliseum?  The Great Wall of China?  The pyramids?

Boggles my mind that anyone would think society advanced more quickly in the centuries before the welfare state than it has since.

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« Reply #1811 on: December 19, 2007, 12:32:44 AM »
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Many parents have already shown their desire to be free of federal control by either enrolling their children in private schools or homeschooling them.

hey PD, what does your mom think of the federal government?

That had nothing to do with her decision lol. It had more to do with her wanting full influence over our education instead of some semi qualified, apathetic person getting under payed and over worked

also JESUS and FREEDOM FROM EVIL SECULAR THOUGHT no doubt
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« Reply #1812 on: December 19, 2007, 12:41:35 AM »
So then how did the human race achieve great things before central planning helped "raise" the bar for us?
Great scientific and artistic achievements generally came from an elite, educated class that were supported by property, and by the large, illiterate peasant class that worked the land.  90%+ of the population never went to school, so there was no chance of a George Washington Carver happening.

The great engineering achievements mostly DID come from central planning.  You think the invisible hand was responsible for the Roman aqueducts, roads, bridges, and Colliseum?  The Great Wall of China?  The pyramids?

Boggles my mind that anyone would think society advanced more quickly in the centuries before the welfare state than it has since.

Yup.  I was explaining this to Prole earlier today, about the life of Beethoven.

It was largely agreed upon during his lifespan that Beethoven was a complete and total artisitc genius.  But he never had money.  He was born poor, and he stayed poor his entire life.  Because that's where he was born.  One of the greatest artists in western history, appreciated by all during the course of his own life, died poor, to the degree that the medical attention he got towards his end wasn't the best.
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« Reply #1813 on: December 19, 2007, 12:43:48 AM »
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Many parents have already shown their desire to be free of federal control by either enrolling their children in private schools or homeschooling them.

hey PD, what does your mom think of the federal government?

That had nothing to do with her decision lol. It had more to do with her wanting full influence over our education instead of some semi qualified, apathetic person getting under payed and over worked

also JESUS and FREEDOM FROM EVIL SECULAR THOUGHT no doubt

Uh, no.

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« Reply #1814 on: December 19, 2007, 01:28:17 AM »
the fucked up thing is that beethoven would mingle with the upper class (invited to dinner with a prince or whatever) but he never made a lot of money.  even if he had a chance, he was insane according to what people said so maybe he would have still been poor.

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« Reply #1815 on: December 19, 2007, 01:42:06 AM »
the fucked up thing is that beethoven would mingle with the upper class (invited to dinner with a prince or whatever) but he never made a lot of money.  even if he had a chance, he was insane according to what people said so maybe he would have still been poor.

Back in those days, the only way to really make money as a composer was to work for royalty. . .basically be a musical court jester "owned" by one king or government.  Beethoven was one of the first to work a sort of freelance model, taking commissions from various sources, royalty, patrons of the arts, et cetera.  It didn't quite work out.

Beethoven was most certainly not insane or mentally ill.  Psychologists have that little game where they try to claim certain historical figures were gay and what not; well, the claim for Beethoven is that he was possibly bipolar.  He apparently jumped between down periods and being a fiery little heckpot (although his lil' heckpot persona was apparently very endearing).

For a historical figure, we have lots of written material written by Beethoven.  He used conversation books to talk to people from the time he was in his 20s until the time he died, so we actually have a pretty decent idea of what kind of person he was, far better than we do most historical figures.  Also, keep in mind he went deaf when he was my age, and people in the 18th and 19th century probably treated him with a bit of disdain for that reason.
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« Reply #1816 on: December 19, 2007, 01:46:24 AM »
Beethoven was black :bow
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« Reply #1817 on: December 19, 2007, 02:23:03 AM »
oh yeah, I forgot he probably was kind of bitter from being "second class".  I heard stuff like how he'd compose shirtless and write notes on the walls a bunch of years ago and I guess I exaggerated it now.

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« Reply #1818 on: December 19, 2007, 02:39:53 AM »
I don't think he had time to be bitter about being poor.  He kind of had a tough life in many regards, and if he was bitter about anything, he had a lot of valid things to pick from before he got to his money issues.  I think his musical output does not resemble what would come from a bitter person, anyway.  He arguably composed his best work during the most tumultuous periods of his life; I think he thrived on difficulty.
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« Reply #1819 on: December 19, 2007, 04:44:41 PM »
Found this on Digg.


You and many other people are confused about how Ron Paul's Honest Money works:

The subject is abstract and often clouded by academic jargon and obscure technical details. This is one reason why there has been no significant public discussion of it since at least the early 1980s. And yet, we see consistent testimony that Ron's position on money is one of the main pillars of his popular support.

Another way you can know a position is gaining traction is when people take the trouble to attack it. For instance, the neo-conservative David Frum has written that Ron Paul's call for a revived gold standard would cause painful economic downturns. Frum maintains that we need the Fed's monetary inflation to counter such slumps.

Of course, the exact opposite is true. Painful economic downturns are caused by monetary inflation, not cured by it.

I don't know about you, but I can't imagine anything more painful than the Great Depression, which was the first inflationary bust caused by the Federal Reserve System. And the inflationary recessions of the 1970s were pretty bad too. Of course . . .

David Frum is really attacking a straw man of his own creation. Ron Paul doesn't want the old gold standard that was managed by the government. Instead, he simply wants free market money. He wants the free market to determine what we will be use for money, and he naturally assumes that the market would gravitate toward gold, just as it has throughout recorded history.

This would be a free market gold standard, which is very different from the old gold standard under which the government pegged the dollar to gold at $20 an ounce. You can readily see how such a fixed rate of exchange would cause problems.

When the Fed increased the number of dollars under the old gold standard the price of gold should have risen to account for this monetary inflation, but it couldn't. The price was legally stuck at $20 an ounce. This caused people to want to trade their dollars for gold, creating an economic loss for banks and the government.

I know, it sounds like a stupid system, and it was, but isn't that exactly how government operates most of the time?

Strangely, Frum praises the system of floating exchange rates between dollars and, for instance, Euros, but pointedly ignores that this is exactly what Ron wants to happen for gold (and other commodities) when they are used as money. Ron Paul doesn't want a gold standard in the sense of having a standard government price for gold. Ron specifically opposes monopoly government price fixing, such as the old $20 fixed price for gold. That's the whole point.

Ron wants the price of gold in terms of dollars to rise and fall freely, depending on supply and demand. Thus, if the Fed inflated the supply of FRNs (Federal Reserve Notes, aka dollars) the price of gold would rise and people would fly from dollars to the safety of gold.
This would force the Fed to stop inflating the supply of FRNs.

This is the heart of Ron Paul's simple but powerful plan for curing inflation, and the recessions that result from it.

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« Reply #1820 on: December 19, 2007, 04:45:13 PM »
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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« Reply #1822 on: December 19, 2007, 04:48:36 PM »
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« Reply #1823 on: December 19, 2007, 04:50:22 PM »
Whats this i hear about clintons secret caymen account.

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« Reply #1824 on: December 19, 2007, 04:55:07 PM »
 :o
[youtube=425,350]UgryrneaPSI[/youtube]
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« Reply #1825 on: December 19, 2007, 04:56:45 PM »
Clinton's christmas video>>>>>>>>Paul's
[youtube=425,350]yzBvQ9EeF3k[/youtube]
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« Reply #1826 on: December 19, 2007, 04:57:38 PM »
John: Hmm, there's been a lot of inflation.
Joe: Oh, we got to go to the safety of gold then.

yeah that won't happen in america dipshit.

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« Reply #1827 on: December 19, 2007, 05:00:22 PM »
We all know clinton doesnt celebrate christmas. She celebrates some kind of weird canibal tradition.

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« Reply #1828 on: December 19, 2007, 05:24:16 PM »
We all know clinton doesnt celebrate christmas. She celebrates some kind of weird canibal tradition.

Well, if they only eat Libertarians then I don't see the problem.
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« Reply #1829 on: December 19, 2007, 05:44:43 PM »
We all know clinton doesnt celebrate christmas. She celebrates some kind of weird canibal tradition.

Well, if they only eat Libertarians then I don't see the problem.
They only eat individual portions. No sharing!

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« Reply #1830 on: December 19, 2007, 06:24:04 PM »
Time Magazine Names Ron Paul a "Person of the Year"


http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/0,28804,1690753_1690758_1693558,00.html




 :punch :punch :punch :punch :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol

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« Reply #1831 on: December 19, 2007, 06:28:14 PM »
 :rofl

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« Reply #1832 on: December 19, 2007, 06:56:54 PM »
Wow all of those are great people named by time.

Look at just a small amount of all these great people of the world this year!

Billiam the YouTube Snowman
Britney Spears
Ron Paul
Hugo Chavez



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« Reply #1833 on: December 19, 2007, 07:25:47 PM »
Paul/Zonday in '08
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« Reply #1834 on: December 19, 2007, 07:33:13 PM »
Putin looks like Death himself.
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« Reply #1835 on: December 19, 2007, 08:13:55 PM »
Clinton's christmas video>>>>>>>>Paul's
[youtube=425,350]yzBvQ9EeF3k[/youtube]

Would have been more accurate if each gift also had a price tag on it
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« Reply #1836 on: December 19, 2007, 08:19:41 PM »
Clinton's christmas video>>>>>>>>Paul's
[youtube=425,350]yzBvQ9EeF3k[/youtube]

Would have been more accurate if each gift also had a price tag on it
you are just toying with FoC now. He doesn't realize you are going to vote Hillary in the general (no dem primary for us in MI!), dont play with his heart.  :lol
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« Reply #1837 on: December 19, 2007, 09:30:57 PM »
Universal Pre-K?? Please  :lol :lol Anyone can go to Pre-K if they want. I did.

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« Reply #1838 on: December 19, 2007, 09:45:12 PM »
Universal Pre-K?? Please  :lol :lol Anyone can go to Pre-K if they want. I did.
Proof that early education does not improve intelligence.

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« Reply #1840 on: December 20, 2007, 05:57:09 AM »
Universal Pre-K?? Please  :lol :lol Anyone can go to Pre-K if they want. I did.

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« Reply #1842 on: December 20, 2007, 04:49:04 PM »
he says that he believes that commercial had a religious overtone and that fascists would do that sort of thing.  that's pretty blunt.

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« Reply #1843 on: December 20, 2007, 04:50:42 PM »
he says that he believes that commercial had a religious overtone and that fascists would do that sort of thing.  that's pretty blunt.

He quoted someone. He never said Huckabee is a fascist.

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« Reply #1844 on: December 20, 2007, 04:51:12 PM »
he quoted someone when talking about Huckabee's commercial!
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« Reply #1845 on: December 20, 2007, 04:52:25 PM »
What if it's a gold cross?
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« Reply #1846 on: December 20, 2007, 04:58:45 PM »
he quoted someone when talking about Huckabee's commercial!

Yall are all nitpicking ron paul on a topic you agree with him about. REligion and politics. Yall are so fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.n

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« Reply #1847 on: December 20, 2007, 05:01:26 PM »
I like how Ron Paul has this magical "but it's not HIS words" barrier between himself and all the stupid stuff he said, or is said in his name
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« Reply #1848 on: December 20, 2007, 05:01:49 PM »
I don't think the commercial had a religious overtone!

he calls the guy a fascist!

there's a difference.  you fuck.

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« Reply #1849 on: December 20, 2007, 05:04:04 PM »
I like how Ron Paul has this magical "but it's not HIS words" barrier between himself and all the stupid stuff he said, or is said in his name


Did you watch the video? He said that if facsism ever comes to america it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. A view that I know you all agree with. So dont give me this "stupid stuff" he said bullshit.

Huckabee's ad DOES have religous overtones. Ron Paul was on fox saying that religion shouldnt play as big of a role in policitcs.

You guys dont even know what you type anymore.


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« Reply #1850 on: December 20, 2007, 05:05:00 PM »
I don't think the commercial had a religious overtone!
He talked about Jesus and there was an obvious cross int he background. CNN even showed 6 year olds pointing out the cross. I guess your dumber than the average 6 year old.

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« Reply #1851 on: December 20, 2007, 05:06:54 PM »
but in what way is Paul not calling him a fascist?

the video has an obvious cross. Paul says, in response to that video, that fascism will arrive carrying a cross.

how is that not calling the video fascist?
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« Reply #1852 on: December 20, 2007, 05:09:03 PM »
but in what way is Paul not calling him a fascist?

the video has an obvious cross. Paul says, in response to that video, that fascism will arrive carrying a cross.

how is that not calling the video fascist?

He is saying that we have to pay attention and be skeptical about religion and politics.



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« Reply #1853 on: December 20, 2007, 05:09:26 PM »
Do you agree or disagree with that statement patel?

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« Reply #1854 on: December 20, 2007, 05:10:05 PM »
we aren't disagreeing with paul's message -- we're disagreeing with the clintonian semantic gerrymandering he's pulling.

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« Reply #1855 on: December 20, 2007, 05:11:17 PM »
of course I agree with that message! the message that PAUL SAID.

your argument seems to be, because I agree with it, Paul didn't say it. Or IF he did, it doesn't matter, because I agree with it! so why shouldn't he say it! (but he didn't say it.)

PLEASE JOIN US HERE IN REALITY
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« Reply #1856 on: December 20, 2007, 05:11:22 PM »
we aren't disagreeing with paul's message -- we're disagreeing with the clintonian semantic gerrymandering he's pulling.



Quotting famous quotes!! How dastardly!  ::)

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« Reply #1857 on: December 20, 2007, 05:11:51 PM »
Paul did not say "Huckabee is a fascist"

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« Reply #1858 on: December 20, 2007, 05:12:54 PM »
Lets keep nitpicking even though he is saying stuff we agree with.

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« Reply #1859 on: December 20, 2007, 05:14:27 PM »
Paul did not say "Huckabee is a fascist."

But Paul DID say that Huckabee is a fascist.

Do you see the difference? Or even understand that such a thing is possible?
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