FoC's Ron Paul Shitheap: Patel Melts the Internets starting on pg. 24

[Howard Alan Treesong]

[Howard Alan Treesong]

that image is of Huckabee's Christmas card to the 18-24 male demographic

[Van Cruncheon]

LET'S BIBLE

SUGOI!!!!!! INRI PUNCH-U!!!!!! LET'S BATTLING SATAN!!!!

[Human Snorenado]

THIS IS HOW I BIBLE

[FlameOfCallandor]

New book on the way!
http://blog.mises.org/archives/007574.asp

[FlameOfCallandor]

[Gay Boy]

you mocked me for linking to a pro-global warming site yet you link to biased ron paul woshiping sites like mises?

"As you know, Ron--like freedom--is popular" wow. 

[Mandark]

By that metric, FoC, the Republican party is going to nominate pornography as its presidential candidate.

[Gay Boy]

Apparently they'd nominate GAF over Ron Paul too

[FlameOfCallandor]

I never said he is going to win because of internet traffic.

[FlameOfCallandor]

"As you know, Ron--like freedom--is popular" wow. 

Can't argue with that.

[Gay Boy]

I can. Ron Paul isn't popular.

Hillary Clinton? Popular
Barack Obama? Popular

Ron Paul? Not so much.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I can. Ron Paul isn't popular.

Hillary Clinton? Popular
Barack Obama? Popular

Ron Paul? Not so much.

:sp0rsk1

[Gay Boy]

I can. Ron Paul isn't popular.

Hillary Clinton? Popular
Barack Obama? Popular

Ron Paul? Not so much.

:sp0rsk1

Lets see. Does Paul raise more money than Hillary and Obama? No. Does he do better in polls? No.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Lets see. Does Paul raise more money than Hillary and Obama? No. Does he do better in polls? No.

So your definition of popularity is raising more money. Than Paul is the most popular GOP candidate this quarter. Not bad!

[FlameOfCallandor]

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.nolanchart.com/article639.html
My Dream For The Ron Paul Campaign

It's fun to dream when the dreams are good dreams overall. Dreams are the way our imaginations help us to formulate what we want to happen in our lives and how we can go about making them happen.

As I dream about the coming primaries, I am influenced by all of the comments I've read and heard online by Ron Paul supporters. There's so much enthusiasm, so much solid belief that their candidate is going to surprise everyone. I'd love to see him succeed. Please note: the following story is fictitious. It is a dream, not a prognostication. It is also not the only way events can play out. Not by a longshot!

The dream starts January 3, 2008 in the living rooms and meeting halls of Iowa, where Republicans gather to anoint Mike Huckabee as their standard bearer. To no one's surpise, he wins the Iowa caucus. What surprises everyone (except for a Republican analyst in Atlanta, a talk radio broadcaster in Des Moines, and a nation of Paulites) is that Ron Paul finishes third, nudging out Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, and John McCain. Suddenly, the major media are all talking about the Ron Paul surprise. The Congressman himself expresses delight at the result, saying that America's hunger for freedom is turning into a revolution, and his words are carried on all national TV news networks.

The Primary Bomb

The surprise is just beginning. Just five days later, Paul absolutely stuns the political world by winning the New Hampshire primary, nudging out Mitt Romney who was widely expected to take that contest hands down. Analysts keep emphasizing how big an upset this is for the Romney campaign rather than saying anything substantial about Ron Paul's candidacy, but once again Ron Paul's name is on the lips of every newscaster. Critics write off his success as a one-off that won't be so easily repeated in Michigan or South Carolina.

Meanwhile, Paulites around the country are absolutely frenetic with excitement. Take the December 2007 levels of Paulite activity and double it, and you still wouldn't come close to the electrical current running throughout the country on January 9th. Internet searches for Ron Paul break all previous political records. "Google Ron Paul" becomes a household term in a matter of days, and Alexa reports that ronpaul2008.com has suddenly jumped into the top 10 most visited websites in the world, from a previous ranking of around 7,000th on their list. Ron Paul signs start sprouting up everywhere: on bridges, on lampposts, in front yards, and even in full page newspaper ads. Deep-pocketed Larry Lepard-like investors in liberty buy the ads out of their own cash reserves like Lepard did with the USA Today ad in November 2007.

Ron Paul meetup groups around the country and around the world see sudden spikes in their membership. Hundreds of thousands of people who had been either sitting by the sidelines or didn't even know much about the candidate have suddenly decided that Paul's their boy. Reports start filtering in from around the country about packed houses at meetup meetings in every state. Bloggers from around the world start getting into the act, and suddenly all the foreign media are riveted to the story that there may be a revolution brewing in America.

The Federal Election Commission announces that they are going to begin a serious investigation of many of the ways that Paulites are supporting their candidate to discover if campaign finance laws are being flouted, but the news does little more than to stimulate further activity as it becomes evident that the FEC doesn't really know where to start. There's just so much activity to investigate, and they don't have enough staff to do it. So the agency head decides that they'll target the most visible elements of the movement, picking a handful to investigate in depth with their limited resources. The grassroots respond as Paul supporters with law degrees publicly jump into the fray and offer to defend anyone the FEC investigates on a pro bono basis. One such attorney doesn't wait and files for a class action injunction to prevent the FEC from investigating at all. The court refuses to grant the injunction, but the message received by the FEC is clear. A website called legalbomb2008.com is quickly launched to raise legal funds to defend anyone targeted by the FEC, and it raises $1 million in its first day of existence. The FEC quickly realize that if they decide to come after some of the Paulites, the rest will respond to give the FEC the fight of their lives.

Meanwhile, pollsters are all taking a second look at their poll scoring methodologies, having been forced by the results to admit that their standard formulas for deciding who likely voters will be, need to be adjusted. Paulites laugh and in some cases jeer with delight at the news.

Activism in Michigan, South Carolina, Nevada, and Florida suddenly shoots through the roof in anticipation of those upcoming primaries that are next on the calendar, but the media all focuses on February 5th, "Super Duper Tuesday" when 42% of all available Republican delegates are chosen in 22 states. Rudy Giuliani is still considered the odds-on favorite that day, but now the pollsters are putting their newly-tuned polls in the field as quickly as possible to discover what we can expect will happen. Paul ends up doing surprisingly well in Michigan and wins Nevada outright, but his weaker performances in Florida and South Carolina give fuel to his opponents on the news networks.

Super Duper Tuesday

The day before Super Duper Tuesday, USA Today puts out poll results that show Ron Paul is running in first or second place in 12 out of 22 Super Duper Tuesday primary states. Other pollsters offer different readings on the race, and commentators are absolutely beside themselves as they try to explain and document the sudden Paul surge. Fox News alternates between reporting the new polling results and running Sean Hannity commentaries saying how bad a Paul nomination would be for the Republican Party as he leads the fight to broadcast every single report he can find about white pride extremists and other undesirables who have sent money into the Paul campaign or supported the campaign with their websites. The major media pick up the stories which dominate the news right up until February 5th. The question everyone asks is: can Paul survive his own supporters?

Super Duper Tuesday arrives. Activity is off the charts. Demonstrations, rallies, and marches have spontaneously formed in all major cities of the Super Duper Tuesday states. Some didn't do their due diligence and arrange parade permits, and the news channels carry repeated reports of police arresting Paulites who queue up with their wrists extended, daring the police to arrest them while other Paulites gleefully make noise and posture for the TV cameras. One Paulite is recorded on camera shouting, "Wherever I'm standing is a free speech zone!" He is later reported by newscasters to be the 2004 Libertarian Party presidential candidate Michael Badnarik.

Speculation runs rampant in newscasts and newspapers as record numbers of Republicans stream to the polls. Some prognosticators point out that high turnout is probably good for the Paul campaign, but others scoff saying that this is actually a reaction to the Paul ascendancy as loyal Republicans rally to save their party from the upstart and his minions.

Controversy In The Results

Finally, the polls close and the results start rolling in. By the end of the night, Ron Paul has won five of the 20 states, finishing second or third in all of the rest. Cries of "fraud" are raised by Paulites across the country, many of whom end up on national TV claiming that the electronic voting systems were rigged. What follows is a week's worth of stories and investigations about how Republican officials are claiming that the results are legitimate and that none of the results could have been tampered with. Some of the Paulite grassroots attorneys are seen emerging again, filing lawsuits to ask the courts to overturn the results of those primaries. The courts end up refusing to do that in all states except Massachusetts, where a judge issues an injunction preventing the Secretary of the Commonwealth from certifying the primary results until a full investigation can be carried out.

Meanwhile, the calendar keeps on moving. The Virginia, Maryland, and DC primaries come up a week later. Paul takes the Virginia and DC primaries and finishes second in Maryland.

At this point Rudy Giuliani maintains a narrow lead in the delegate count. Huckabee is second, and Paul is running third. Mitt Romney considers dropping out of the race, having been embarrassed by his results in the states he was supposed to win easily. However, he has enough delegates committed to him that he decides to persevere. The campaigns of the other candidates are effectively over. One by one they have all withdrawn from the race after Super Duper Tuesday. It's now considered a three-man race, with almost no pundits giving Romney any chance of surviving.

CBS's 60 Minutes airs a widely viewed program that reveals recently discovered weaknesses in electronic voting systems and features a hacker who demonstrates on national TV how he successfully broke into a computerized voting test program and changed the voting results recorded in that computer. The computer in question was never actually used in a primary, but word quickly spreads that the now famous hacker actually broke into and changed the computers that recorded the California and Arizona primary results. This story remains an urban legend for years to come.

Diebold and ES&S threaten to file suit against CBS for revealing trade secrets. Their respective owners, brothers Bob and Todd Orosevich become household names as the country comes to realize that 80% of electronic voting is controlled by a single family. CNN reports on ties between the Orosevich family and the Bush family, which gets wide airplay around the world.

By the time we get to March, the Republican Party is in chaos. For the first time in decades, their candidate for president has not yet been anointed. Ron Paul wins his home state of Texas while finishing second to Giuliani in Ohio. Huckabee's campaign is fading a bit, but he's still got a large portion of the delegates under his belt. It is now clear even before the Pennsylvania primary arrives that the convention is going to be deadlocked. Giuliani will be a few votes away from winning, but no one can win on the first ballot. It's going to be a dogfight in Minneapolis the first weekend of September. Pundits are predicting a cakewalk for Hillary Clinton who has easily won the Democratic nomination by this point. She is widely expected to win over a fractured Republican Party in November. Talk of the first female president in history dominates the headlines. Many commentators predict that this is the end of the long-standing alliance between the religious right and other factions of the Republican rank-and-file.

The Revolution Continues To Grow

Paul-like candidates for Congress begin to emerge to challenge in both the Republican and Democratic primaries at the congressional level. The latest rage is for candidates to announce that they are running to provide support for Ron Paul and his proposals in Congress once he is elected President. A number of senate candidates with similar leanings are added to the fray. In a few states where incumbents have already sewed up their nominations, candidates from the Libertarian and Constitution parties emerge saying they'll be Paulist representatives in Congress. Talk runs rampant of Paul running as a third party candidate if he isn't nominated, but the candidate himself continues to deny any truth to the rumors.

Speaking of third parties, in May the Libertarians surprise everyone, including many of their own members by voting at their convention to nominate Ron Paul for president on the Libertarian ticket, ignoring the fact that Dr. Paul continues to refuse to run as an independent or third party candidate. This action is taken in response to the Constitution Party who also nominated Dr. Paul to head their ticket the month before. Critics of the move in both parties charge that it could undermine their current and future ballot access status, since most states don't permit the candidate to appear on more than one line of the ballot. Debate among third party supporters is now raging as to which of the two parties is the "true" supporter of the Constitution, while peacemakers attempt to argue that the two parties should be working together for a common cause rather than fighting among themselves. Eventually, cooler heads prevail and a cross-party committee is organized to coordinate efforts for Dr. Paul, should he lose the Republican nomination. Once again, Dr. Paul refuses to commit to run on any ticket other than the Republican ticket.

Another group of Paulites concludes that neither of the two third parties can ultimately be effective as an alternative platform for Ron Paul to run on, and they organize an independent campaign to get Dr. Paul on the ballot in as many states as possible. They form the Ron Paul Revolution party and beginning passing around petitions to get him on state ballots and hastily call a national convention to nominate him. Thus, as we approach the Republican convention in September, Dr. Paul has been nominated by three parties, but the Republican nomination he desires is still outside his grasp.

The Political World Turns Upside Down

One week before the Republican convention, the Giuliani and Huckabee campaigns make a stunning announcement. Mike Huckabee has decided that it's more important to hold the Republican Party together and reunite it for the run in November than it is for Huckabee to continue to try to win the nomination outright. Recognizing that Giuliani is still the favorite to win in a brokered convention because of his large delegate lead, he and Giuliani cut a deal to make Huckabee his Vice-Presidential nominee. He throws his support behind Giuliani, thus assuring a second ballot win for the Giuliani campaign.

Paulites around the country are angered and outraged by the betrayal. Rallies and demonstrations spring up in cities and towns across the nation in protest. An army of his supporters descend on Minneapolis to stage ongoing protests at the Republican convention.

Meanwhile, on the Democratic side, a growing block of voters that normally vote Democratic are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the Clinton juggernaut, particularly among the anti-war faction. They call for Paul to run as an independent and for the country to unite against the two major parties in backing his candidacy. The move is controversial within the voting bloc, and some refuse to participate, fearing they would lose leverage in a likely Clinton administration. But as the days wear on, it becomes increasingly clear that this block, too, is fractured.

The three third parties announce in mid-September that they have hammered out an agreement whereby Dr. Paul, who after the Giuliani/Huckabee announcement sees the writing on the wall, decides that it was time to step out as an independent. Using a hodge-podge of ballot access already attained by the Constitution and Libertarian Parties, with additional access obtained by the new Ron Paul Revolution party (which didn't have time anyway under existing election law to get on the ballots in all 50 states), the Paul campaign launches as an independent third party candidacy. The Republican and Democratic parties’ attorneys file lawsuits, saying that the candidates’ votes can’t be counted from three different parties. After much legal wrangling, the U.S. Supreme Court rules that the Paul campaign using the three third party arrangement is Constitutional and should not be blocked.

I'll stop the story of my dream here and let you fill in your own ending. Instead of telling you my ending, I'll just say this. In my dream, for the first time in 48 years, the televised presidential debates actually mean something.

As for the ending of the story, I'll leave that to you.

 

[Gay Boy]

Lets see. Does Paul raise more money than Hillary and Obama? No. Does he do better in polls? No.

So your definition of popularity is raising more money. Than Paul is the most popular GOP candidate this quarter. Not bad!

Good job ignoring the poll numbers part of my post.

[Mandark]

Fanfiction.  In which Ron Paul is Mary Sue.

I have no words.

[Van Cruncheon]

it's not fiction if you just beeeeeeeliieeeve hard enough!

[Gay Boy]

I love this part:
"
Meanwhile, pollsters are all taking a second look at their poll scoring methodologies, having been forced by the results to admit that their standard formulas for deciding who likely voters will be, need to be adjusted. Paulites laugh and in some cases jeer with delight at the news.
"

Ron Paul fans dream is that polls magically become void and inaccurate despite being accurate election predictors for decades and decades. 

[Howard Alan Treesong]

you can work miracles
if you believe

[FlameOfCallandor]

A Letter to My Democrat Brother-in-Law

Surprise! I'm a Ron Paul supporter, and I contend that even if you are a devoted adherent of the Democratic Party, your best strategy is to vote for Ron Paul in the primary. Since Ron Paul is an honorable man, and the rest of the Republicans are scum, you face the risk of another stolen election, as with George Bush, if Ron Paul is not the Republican candidate. You can still vote for Obama come fall, and rest assured that the Republican machine will be supporting the Democratic candidate, since they dislike Ron Paul much more than any Democrat. Is the choice between Hillary and Obama more important than ensuring we don't get another mini-Hitler?

Of course, I think Ron Paul is the clear first choice, and that he has an excellent chance of winning the nomination. He's raising lots of money: last Sunday, he set an all-time, all-party, all-candidate record of $6 million in one day, and over $18 million for the quarter. He has thousands of enthusiastic, self-directed (!) volunteers. The failure of the polls to reflect his true strength may mean the end of polling as a propaganda tool. You'll know if I'm right after New Hampshire. (I only expect a third-place in Iowa.) He will be one of very few who can afford a 50-state primary campaign. It's pretty funny – the other Republicans (who think computers are for secretaries) keep asking him who he hired to run his Internet campaign. The answer is, he doesn't run it; it runs itself. The one-day money-bombs just for fun, the Ron Paul blimp, it's all totally independent.

In my opinion, the most important point is to stop the war. Only Ron Paul qualifies as a serious anti-war candidate (Kucinich put Party loyalty ahead of principle to support Kerry, and his campaign is going nowhere). Much of the hard-core anti-war left already supports Ron Paul, and more members of the military have contributed to his campaign than all other candidates of both parties combined (soldiers have a vested interest in peace!).

Second most important is the restoration of civil liberties, including habeas corpus. Again, Ron Paul is the right choice. He voted against the PATRIOT Act, the Military Commissions Act, and all the rest. If he loses, I'll see you in Guantanamo: at least one neocon has suggested rounding up Ron Paul supporters as "domestic terrorists" (of course, it is only the government that is terrified), and you're probably on the list too, though for other reasons.

Third most important is to save the economy, and here he really shines: He actually understands the banking system; he's written books on the subject. Curiously, it turns out that lots of leftists already know the Federal Reserve is a rip-off. Unfortunately, it's too late to prevent the collapse of the dollar.

If you examine the position of Ron Paul on immigration very carefully, you will find that at the heart of it is cutting off federally mandated welfare to illegals. His rhetoric is such as to get the support of the anti-immigration Republicans, barely. Still, it's the major gripe of the libertarian faction with his views. Libertarians are split on abortion, but since he would just take the Fed out of the loop ("it's not in the constitution" is his mantra), pro-choice libertarians can live with his anti-abortion sentiments (he is a baby doctor, after all). Having to go out-of-state to get an abortion is not as serious as murdering a million Iraqis, and I'm confident that most of our hard-working illegal aliens are quite competent to cope with the border nonsense. Plus, the poorer immigrants will suffer more from the inevitable economic recession (which may turn into the "Greater Depression"), which will drag on for years without a Ron Paul win.

Peggy and I have changed our voter registration to Republican so we can vote for Dr. Paul in the primary. Actually, Ron's views match Peggy's almost perfectly, what with his concern for people who have been made dependents of the government. I'm willing to rely on private charity.

It's easy to learn more. Peggy was one of the many who independently invented the bumper-sticker "Google Ron Paul." Also, the website where I work has been publishing Ron Paul's speeches and essays for years, and they are all available in our archive. I was just reviewing an old article from right after 9/11, and he was absolutely prescient in predicting the war and the attacks on civil liberties. Oh yeah, he's scheduled to be on Meet the Press this Sunday, if you prefer video.

I had reached the point of telling my kids to think about leaving the country – as I understand it, many of your father's relatives waited too long to get out of Austria. Ron Paul's success has given me hope.

[Mandark]

"I had reached the point of telling my kids to think about leaving the country – as I understand it, many of your father's relatives waited too long to get out of Austria."

Whoa there.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=524&title=RON_PAUL_victory_on_CNN

The first half of the video is awesome. Then kucinich shits it up

[Phoenix Dark]

"I had reached the point of telling my kids to think about leaving the country – as I understand it, many of your father's relatives waited too long to get out of Austria."

Whoa there.

Wow 

[FlameOfCallandor]

December 22, 2007
Zogby on the Coming Ron Paul Smackdown


Pollster John Zogby: "Ron Paul: He's going to do better than anyone expects. Look to Paul to climb into the double-digits in Iowa. Why? He's different, he stands out. He's against the war and he has the one in four Republicans who oppose the war all to himself. Libertarianism is hot, especially among free-market Republicans and 20-somethings. And he's an appealing sort of father figure. He's his own brand. All he needs to do is beat a couple of big names in Iowa, then New Hampshire is friendlier territory. After all, the state motto is "Live Free or Die."">Pollster John Zogby: "Ron Paul: He's going to do better than anyone expects. Look to Paul to climb into the double-digits in Iowa. Why? He's different, he stands out. He's against the war and he has the one in four Republicans who oppose the war all to himself. Libertarianism is hot, especially among free-market Republicans and 20-somethings. And he's an appealing sort of father figure. He's his own brand. All he needs to do is beat a couple of big names in Iowa, then New Hampshire is friendlier territory. After all, the state motto is 'Live Free or Die.'"

[brawndolicious]

"I had reached the point of telling my kids to think about leaving the country – as I understand it, many of your father's relatives waited too long to get out of Austria."
Whoa there.

Wow 

...

[Gay Boy]

December 22, 2007
Zogby on the Coming Ron Paul Smackdown


Pollster John Zogby: "Ron Paul: He's going to do better than anyone expects. Look to Paul to climb into the double-digits in Iowa. Why? He's different, he stands out. He's against the war and he has the one in four Republicans who oppose the war all to himself. Libertarianism is hot, especially among free-market Republicans and 20-somethings. And he's an appealing sort of father figure. He's his own brand. All he needs to do is beat a couple of big names in Iowa, then New Hampshire is friendlier territory. After all, the state motto is "Live Free or Die."">Pollster John Zogby: "Ron Paul: He's going to do better than anyone expects. Look to Paul to climb into the double-digits in Iowa. Why? He's different, he stands out. He's against the war and he has the one in four Republicans who oppose the war all to himself. Libertarianism is hot, especially among free-market Republicans and 20-somethings. And he's an appealing sort of father figure. He's his own brand. All he needs to do is beat a couple of big names in Iowa, then New Hampshire is friendlier territory. After all, the state motto is 'Live Free or Die.'"

And yet Zogby is an organization that is mocked amongst the political elite. When someone sourced a Zogby poll on hardball Chris Matthews laughed and said Zogby is a joke. And he is

John Zogby was the only guy to predict Kerry would win in a landslide, over 300 electoral votes. Less than a week before the election. In every other polling outlet Bush was going to win or it was too close to say.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I love Pro Ron Paul propaganda.

[Gay Boy]

I love Pro Ron Paul propaganda.

What other group describes a dream outcome in terms of web page hits and meetup.com group numbers? 

[Trent Dole]

He's in SSBB!

[FlameOfCallandor]

(Image removed from quote.)
He's in SSBB!

AWESOME!!

[Flannel Boy]

Just like Super Smash Brothers, Paul is simplistic and has little depth.

[Gay Boy]

FoC if you guys want Paul to be taken seriously you gotta stop treating him with the same respect of LOLCATS with all the photoshops. It degrades him and makes his candidacy seem even less serious.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Just like Super Smash Brothers, Paul is simplistic and has little depth.

[FlameOfCallandor]

FoC if you guys want Paul to be taken seriously you gotta stop treating him with the same respect of LOLCATS with all the photoshops. It degrades him and makes his candidacy seem even less serious.

Yea my grandma said she wouldnt vote for paul because of crappy internet photoshops. Its affecting MILLIONS of americans. 

[Human Snorenado]

FoC if you guys want Paul to be taken seriously you gotta stop treating him with the same respect of LOLCATS with all the photoshops. It degrades him and makes his candidacy seem even less serious.

Yea my grandma said she wouldnt vote for paul because of crappy internet photoshops. Its affecting MILLIONS of americans. 

I highly doubt millions of Americans will even vote for Paul.

[Flannel Boy]

FlameOfCallandor turned White Man away from libertarianism. And his photoshops had nothing to do with it.

[FlameOfCallandor]

FlameOfCallandor turned White Man away from libertarianism. And his photoshops had nothing to do with it.

TVC was never a libertarian. He was just confused about himself.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I highly doubt millions of Americans will even vote for Paul.

According to Gay boy they would if we would just stop with the photoshops!

[Flannel Boy]

Gay Boy was only speaking within the context of this forum.

[Gay Boy]

Yeah I was talking about this thread. He posts "serious" articles then goofy photoshops. you cant get anyone to take you seriously like that.

[brawndolicious]

TVC was never a libertarian. He was just confused about himself.

...okay the popcorn's gotten stale I'll make another batch.

[Phoenix Dark]

FlameOfCallandor turned White Man away from libertarianism. And his photoshops had nothing to do with it.

TVC was never a libertarian. He was just confused about himself.

Shocking news! 

[FlameOfCallandor]

Yeah I was talking about this thread. He posts "serious" articles then goofy photoshops. you cant get anyone to take you seriously like that.

90% of the people here have already decided to not be open to Ron Paul. Not posting photoshops wouldnt have made a difference.

[AdmiralViscen]

Yeah I was talking about this thread. He posts "serious" articles then goofy photoshops. you cant get anyone to take you seriously like that.

1. The thread title
2. It's Ron Paul
3. It's FoC

No one was ever going to take this seriously.

[Flannel Boy]

Yeah I was talking about this thread. He posts "serious" articles then goofy photoshops. you cant get anyone to take you seriously like that.

90% of the people here have already decided to not be open to Ron Paul. Not posting photoshops wouldnt have made a difference.

Most people tend to be closed-minded and refuse to hear any good points that contradict their world views. But, you are no different.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Yeah I was talking about this thread. He posts "serious" articles then goofy photoshops. you cant get anyone to take you seriously like that.

90% of the people here have already decided to not be open to Ron Paul. Not posting photoshops wouldnt have made a difference.

Most people tend to be closed-minded and refuse to hear any good points that contradict their world views. But, you are no different.

 

Which is why I used to consider my self a democrat and now I dont. Right? right?

[Flannel Boy]

Yeah I was talking about this thread. He posts "serious" articles then goofy photoshops. you cant get anyone to take you seriously like that.

90% of the people here have already decided to not be open to Ron Paul. Not posting photoshops wouldnt have made a difference.

Most people tend to be closed-minded and refuse to hear any good points that contradict their world views. But, you are no different.

 

Which is why I used to consider my self a democrat and now I dont. Right? right?

Yeah, sure you were. Nobody is buying that.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Yeah I was talking about this thread. He posts "serious" articles then goofy photoshops. you cant get anyone to take you seriously like that.

90% of the people here have already decided to not be open to Ron Paul. Not posting photoshops wouldnt have made a difference.

Most people tend to be closed-minded and refuse to hear any good points that contradict their world views. But, you are no different.

 

Which is why I used to consider my self a democrat and now I dont. Right? right?

Yeah, sure you were. Nobody is buying that.

Why? I have never voted for a republican in my life.

[Human Snorenado]

Yeah I was talking about this thread. He posts "serious" articles then goofy photoshops. you cant get anyone to take you seriously like that.

90% of the people here have already decided to not be open to Ron Paul. Not posting photoshops wouldnt have made a difference.

I have nothing against Ron Paul personally.  If he advocated a platform closer to mine than any other candidate he would get my vote.  He doesn't so he won't.  Most people want things that Paul staunchly opposes... why should we support Paul?  I mean seriously.

[Flannel Boy]

A person can change his opinions, but that does not mean he is open and responsive to new ideas and arguments. People change their minds, but not necessarily for rational reasons. So even if you have changed your political outlook (something no one believes) you can still be closed minded and non-responsive to logical discourse. The fact of the matter is that ideological converts are often the most pigheaded people of all.

Whenever someone has constructed a cogent argument against Ron Paul, or one of his policies, or libertarianism in general you have ignored it. That is why I think you don't listen to arguments that contradict your worldview. Whether that worldview is new or not is inconsequential. 

[Gay Boy]

Paul was on MTP today and said the north didn't need to start the civil war with the south cause the south would have gotten around to getting rid of slavery on their own one day.  

[Flannel Boy]

Paul was on MTP today and said the north didn't need to start the civil war with the south cause the south would have gotten around to getting rid of slavery on their own one day.   

We didn't need to fight a war with the Germans either. They would have gotten around to closing down Auschwitz on their own. 

[Gay Boy]

Paul was on MTP today and said the north didn't need to start the civil war with the south cause the south would have gotten around to getting rid of slavery on their own one day.   

We didn't need to fight a war with the Germans either. They would have gotten around to closing down Auschwitz on their own. 

The free market would have solved the holocaust if we just gave it a chance!

[Flannel Boy]

Paul was on MTP today and said the north didn't need to start the civil war with the south cause the south would have gotten around to getting rid of slavery on their own one day.   

We didn't need to fight a war with the Germans either. They would have gotten around to closing down Auschwitz on their own. 

The free market would have solved the holocaust if we just gave it a chance!

The invisible hand would have pulled Jews right out of the ovens.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

FoC if you guys want Paul to be taken seriously you gotta stop treating him with the same respect of LOLCATS with all the photoshops. It degrades him and makes his candidacy seem even less serious.

Yea my grandma said she wouldnt vote for paul because of crappy internet photoshops. Its affecting MILLIONS of americans. 

Trust me, there are only about 50,000 Paul supporters at most.  The squeaky wheel gets the grease and that is precisely why Paul is spammed so much on the internet.  So people have the (false) assumption that Paul is some huge movement going.  Sure Ronpaul.com or whatever gets more hits but how many of them are the Paulites anyway?  If some of you are rabid about Paul as you are on the board, I'm sure you visit his sites frequently.  So those internet hit results are damn near meaningless if 90% of the traffic was just the usual spammers.

Like I said, when the 3rd arrives and Paul gets the single digits, it will take the wind away from the sails.  Of course, I know this won't matter to you all because you will have 5,000 news stories posted the next day about how the Iowa GOP Caucus was designed to work against Ron Paul.  Especially if there were some Jews or Freemasons that might be in attendance.

[Trent Dole]

[FlameOfCallandor]

Paul was on MTP today and said the north didn't need to start the civil war with the south cause the south would have gotten around to getting rid of slavery on their own one day.   

We are the only country that fought a war to end slavery. A war that resulted in 600,000 deaths was probably not needed.