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Phoenix Dark

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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2006, 01:22:02 PM »
PhoenixDark, I was mostly referring to the fact that you lambasted me for predicting the end of the videogame industry with all my doom and gloom naysaying, when I said nothing of the sort.  We are heading for a crash (one that I said will not derail the industry) and it's already occuring.  The industry is adopting the Hollywood model and why not?  Cinema and videogames are intertwined already.

When talking about the issue of costs (cost.ed lol), you have to be painfully naive if you think they're not huge.  Why the hell would you bring PS2 costs into discussion when we are past that console generation (I would hope PS2 development would be somewhat affordable, it's only been out for five years).  Is $10 million no sweat for EA?  No, millions are millions no matter who you are, but EA is not going to crash and burn if NCAA MVP '08 doesn't break its projected sales.  My entire commentary was about a few controlling the industry, and I think common sense would say that EA would be the equivalent of NBC Universal for the videogame industry.

The bulk of development and marketing costs are for next generation development.  It is expensive.  Middleware does not level off costs until about a cycle into console software.  Even then, most AAA games are so expensive that it just takes one flop to really change a publisher's output forecast.

I had the pleasure of having dinner with people who have coordinated E3 in year's past, talking off-the-record about finances and well being of certain publishers.  Last May, it was certain that there was a change coming.

But I don't know why I am bothering to discuss this with you, when you neglect marketing costs, seem completely ignorant of the developer/publisher relationship (I swear I've seen you use the term developer in context of a publisher) and use words like "c0sted".

$10 million games didn't kill anyone this generation Willco. It's not going to magically kill off developers this time, especially considering what we've seen so far. In terms of marketing, most publishers aren't spending huge amounts. Do you ever see a lot of videogame commercials on TV, or in non-gaming magazines? It's not as expensize as movie ads, which are everywhere in great abundance.

The industry is currently controlled by a handful of big publishers (mainly EA, Activision, and Ubisoft). Ubisoft seems to be the only one who gets what "next gen" truly means. Activision is extremely imcompatant, and they might go the way of Midway if they don't get their act together. For them, a game either looks half assed or costs millions. Spiderman 3: The Game is going to cost them $30 million to produce, according to them. That's Activision's choice; that game could be produced for half that money if Activision was smart.

With $60 games, publishers don't seem to be worrying too much. Even games that have "bombed" by GAF standards have brought in a very large amount of revenue and profit for publishers, in part thanks to the high retail prices.

There will be no small scale crash, especially now that the PS3 and Wii are a few weeks away. Publishers will be able to tack off losses with great software sales as well as the pure profit from PS2 software sales, which will continue to rise (similar to what happened with the PS1 after the PS2 came out).

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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2006, 01:27:06 PM »
EA needs to die for the EA Trax
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Phoenix Dark

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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2006, 01:31:49 PM »
They make a killing off those shitty songs. Record companies pay to get those songs in games. It's not like EA says "you know what, I think we need a Fall Out Boy song in Madden..."

In game advertising is another avenue that leads to pure profit for publishers.
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« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2006, 01:35:46 PM »
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$10 million games didn't kill anyone this generation Willco. It's not going to magically kill off developers this time, especially considering what we've seen so far.

You didn't discount anything I said and in fact, are agreeing with me.  And - yes - this generation did kill off publishers (not developers wtf are you talking about).  And a lot got gobbled up.

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In terms of marketing, most publishers aren't spending huge amounts. Do you ever see a lot of videogame commercials on TV, or in non-gaming magazines? It's not as expensize as movie ads, which are everywhere in great abundance.

Yeah, um, this proves you don't know anything.

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The industry is currently controlled by a handful of big publishers (mainly EA, Activision, and Ubisoft). Ubisoft seems to be the only one who gets what "next gen" truly means. Activision is extremely imcompatant, and they might go the way of Midway if they don't get their act together. For them, a game either looks half assed or costs millions. Spiderman 3: The Game is going to cost them $30 million to produce, according to them. That's Activision's choice; that game could be produced for half that money if Activision was smart.

The industry is not currently controlled by a handful, but it is becoming dominated by a handful.  I'm talking about the industry being exclusively controlled by a handful, with anything outside a few publishers seen as "indie" titles.  Again, you're really proving my point.

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With $60 games, publishers don't seem to be worrying too much. Even games that have "bombed" by GAF standards have brought in a very large amount of revenue and profit for publishers, in part thanks to the high retail prices.

Where are you getting this from?

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There will be no small scale crash, especially now that the PS3 and Wii are a few weeks away. Publishers will be able to tack off losses with great software sales as well as the pure profit from PS2 software sales, which will continue to rise (similar to what happened with the PS1 after the PS2 came out).

What other information resides in the hallowed halls of your rectum?

And game advertising is a necessary revenue source for publishers.  It has to go that way.
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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2006, 01:41:45 PM »
Ive given up arguing 'the gaming biz' with anyone who originated at GAF. Despite the fact that for years I coordinated crap with publishers, talked to them, according to most I know nothing about the biz because I cant spin the latest sales charts.

I've also discovered I dont give two shits about the biz. Either the games I want come out or they dont. I have complete control over my spending habits.
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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2006, 01:46:10 PM »
I do agree with your last point, if a sales chart dictates your purchases, you're distinguished mentally-challenged.  And yeah, the speculation and sales spin of GAF is ridiculous.

I mean, I was only a paid employee of Imagine Media (damn, I should've stuck around for some of that phat Fox NewsCorp cash!), special guest of the ESA, friends with a number of developers and publishers and personal friends with the President of Factor 5 (Eggy!) for a number of years.

WHAT THE HELL DO I KNOW.
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Phoenix Dark

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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2006, 01:46:54 PM »
You didn't discount anything I said and in fact, are agreeing with me.  And - yes - this generation did kill off publishers (not developers wtf are you talking about).  And a lot got gobbled up.

How so? After I exposed you, you back tracked. $10 million games didn't kill anyone on the PS2, period. You can't wiggle out of that. Why is it going to kill people this time? :lol
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Yeah, um, this proves you don't know anything.

lol

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The industry is not currently controlled by a handful, but it is becoming dominated by a handful.  I'm talking about the industry being exclusively controlled by a handful, with anything outside a few publishers seen as "indie" titles.  Again, you're really proving my point.

Do you pay attention to NPD data? EA, Activision, and Ubisoft make up the vast majority of third party software sales. They do indeed dominate the area.

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Where are you getting this from?

Once again, do you pay attention to NPD data?

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What other information resides in the hallowed halls of your rectum?

Are you denying that the PS3 and Wii's arrival is going to increase publisher's revenue? Look at any third party publisher's forcast report, and you'll see they expect massive hikes for Q4 2006 and Q12007, mainly because new hardware=more oppurtunities to sale software.

With respect to PS2 development, you do realize that system will continue to outsell next gen hardware through 2007, and that publishers will take advantage of that? PS2 development is going to further help these publishers sustain costs.




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MrAngryFace

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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2006, 01:48:47 PM »
The only thing I MISS about game journalism was killing Derek Smart in an online FPS and having it MEAN something to me. Oh those days...
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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2006, 01:53:05 PM »
So to sum up the thread:  Nintendo ruined gaming.  I can get behind that.
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« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2006, 01:54:11 PM »
How so? After I exposed you, you back tracked. $10 million games didn't kill anyone on the PS2, period. You can't wiggle out of that. Why is it going to kill people this time? :lol

... When did I ever say $10 million games killed people during the PS2 era?  How can I backtrack on something I never said.  Don't blame me for your illiteracy.

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Do you pay attention to NPD data? EA, Activision, and Ubisoft make up the vast majority of third party software sales. They do indeed dominate the area.

... That's exactly what I said.  Since you're abolutely postively braindead, let me break it down for you.  This is what I said EXACTLY just moments ago:

The industry is not currently controlled by a handful, but it is becoming dominated by a handful.  I'm talking about the industry being exclusively controlled by a handful, with anything outside a few publishers seen as "indie" titles."

Having exclusive control of an industry and dominating sales charts are two completely different things.  MAYBE THEY WILL TEACH YOU THIS IN COLLEGE.

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Once again, do you pay attention to NPD data?

Oh, NPD data includes the profit margins for publishers now?  Really?  OH WAIT THEY DON'T.

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Are you denying that the PS3 and Wii's arrival is going to increase publisher's revenue? Look at any third party publisher's forcast report, and you'll see they expect massive hikes for Q4 2006 and Q12007, mainly because new hardware=more oppurtunities to sale software.

That's because launch sales are always high for the titles on launch day.  That doesn't mean afterwards it's gravy, smarty.

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With respect to PS2 development, you do realize that system will continue to outsell next gen hardware through 2007, and that publishers will take advantage of that? PS2 development is going to further help these publishers sustain costs.

PS2 development is not going to save anyone past this year, it'll just been an additional source of revenue for publishers, but nobody is going to bank on it being their primary source of revenue a year from now.  Nor will it offset potential losses.
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« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2006, 01:55:16 PM »
So to sum up the thread:  Nintendo ruined gaming.  I can get behind that.

PhoenixDark ruined gaming.
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Phoenix Dark

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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2006, 02:26:33 PM »
I accidentally ruined you post (meant to hit quote), but I'll replied to the key points below.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2006, 02:34:59 PM by Willco »
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« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2006, 02:35:34 PM »
You didn't. I use $10 million as an example because it discredits many of your assertions. If many next gen games have the exact same development costs as the PS2, how does that warrant doom/gloom predictions? Come on.

Uh, I have no doom/gloom predictions.  I said the industry is going to consolidate power into a handful of publishers that'll control the industry, I never said it was going to die.  That's your own hyperbole.

And next gen costs are the same as PS2 costs?  ... ... hahahahahahaha!

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You suck Willco. I said the industry is controlled by a handful of publishers. Here's your responce:

"The industry is not currently controlled by a handful, but it is becoming dominated by a handful."

So no, that's not "exactly" what I said. Reading comprehension is important Willy.

Actually, this is what you said: "They do indeed dominate the area."

You can't even read your own posts now.  And you can't recognize the difference between controlling the marketplace's policy and resources and marketshare.

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For the last few years EA, Activision, and Ubisoft have controlled more than 60% of the third party software marketshare in terms of $$$. How is that not domination? :lol

Uh, I did say they dominated the market.  You even posted that above.  How dumb are you?

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You're 100% correct, it doesn't.

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Phoenix Dark

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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2006, 02:47:12 PM »
Fuck, I did it again.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2006, 02:59:24 PM by Willco »
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« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2006, 02:59:45 PM »
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How is [your original post] not doom/gloom shit?

... because it's not.  It's only what you interpret, because you're some kind of sissy.  I said there's a crash coming where publishers will consolidate resources and power, thus enabling exclusive control of the marketplace.  Is that necessarily negative?  I don't know.  Is it positive?  I don't know that either.

I said it will not derail the industry, and I said you'll see a new production and distribution model.  I didn't say the industry would collapse.  I didn't say developers would die.  That's just your conjecture. 

You will see publishers merge and developers bought outright.  You will see some file for bankruptcy.  I'm sure some will just be added to EA's portfolio.

Again, don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension.

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PS2 games and next gen games have similar costs as of right now.

No, they don't.  And don't compare Final Fantasy XII's budget to that of like, the Xbox 360 port of Gun.  Original PS3 development content costs a lot more than it would for PS2.  Xbox 360 isn't so bad for obvious reasons.  Wii is like developing for GameCube, but it's so far out of the videogame spectrum it really doesn't have an impact on the industry.
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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #75 on: October 13, 2006, 03:01:00 PM »
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« Reply #76 on: October 13, 2006, 10:14:25 PM »
wtf is going on here? Who cares? This thread is about the murder and abortion of gaming!
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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #77 on: October 13, 2006, 10:57:29 PM »
You mean Hideo Kojima?

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Re: I am worried about the gaming industry...this is so unsettling..
« Reply #78 on: October 14, 2006, 12:18:33 PM »
wtf is going on here? Who cares? This thread is about the murder and abortion of gaming!
No, this thread is about Garrett's mis-interpretation of the current status of the industry.  You've always been paranoid.  Remember in High School when you thought people were stealing your pencils?

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« Reply #79 on: October 14, 2006, 01:53:32 PM »
I have no recollectino of this!  >:( However, I would not put it past me that people would break a nicca's style and steal his pencils!  >:(
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