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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #120 on: December 11, 2007, 02:36:58 PM »

Yeah me. Not every single political news media who always credits romney's organization as his biggest strenght.

Then show me all this media coverage of his organization.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #121 on: December 11, 2007, 02:56:04 PM »
You love being obtuse don't you?

Romney's "organization" discusses his large amount of troops on the ground, his media stranglehold in terms of ads, and his caucus leaders among other things. His campaign has a lot of money and uses it very wisely to expand the base. This is why he can still win Iowa despite being down by so many points. Huckabee doesn't have the organization or serious caucus goers who are going to walk in that room, stay, and declare they're voting for Huckabee no matter what.
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« Reply #122 on: December 11, 2007, 04:03:19 PM »
You love being obtuse don't you?

Romney's "organization" discusses his large amount of troops on the ground, his media stranglehold in terms of ads, and his caucus leaders among other things. His campaign has a lot of money and uses it very wisely to expand the base. This is why he can still win Iowa despite being down by so many points. Huckabee doesn't have the organization or serious caucus goers who are going to walk in that room, stay, and declare they're voting for Huckabee no matter what.

This was all I was looking for.

Do you have any reading info about this by any chance?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #123 on: December 11, 2007, 04:54:18 PM »
You love being obtuse don't you?

Romney's "organization" discusses his large amount of troops on the ground, his media stranglehold in terms of ads, and his caucus leaders among other things. His campaign has a lot of money and uses it very wisely to expand the base. This is why he can still win Iowa despite being down by so many points. Huckabee doesn't have the organization or serious caucus goers who are going to walk in that room, stay, and declare they're voting for Huckabee no matter what.

This was all I was looking for.

Do you have any reading info about this by any chance?

What?  :lol

Look it up yourself. Romney has the best organization in Iowa due to his financial advantages. Edwards and Hillary have the best organization on the dem side; this is why despite having good poll numbers, Obama might be fucked in Iowa
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #124 on: December 11, 2007, 05:14:38 PM »
Look it up yourself. Romney has the best organization in Iowa due to his financial advantages. Edwards and Hillary have the best organization on the dem side; this is why despite having good poll numbers, Obama might be fucked in Iowa

I was just curious if you had read anything about it. It sounds like what you are saying is Romney has the most money which means the best organizing, which i disagree.

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« Reply #125 on: December 11, 2007, 05:20:00 PM »
Look it up yourself. Romney has the best organization in Iowa due to his financial advantages. Edwards and Hillary have the best organization on the dem side; this is why despite having good poll numbers, Obama might be fucked in Iowa

I was just curious if you had read anything about it. It sounds like what you are saying is Romney has the most money which means the best organizing, which i disagree.

paid professionals >>>> enthusiastic net denizens
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« Reply #126 on: December 11, 2007, 05:21:42 PM »
Look it up yourself. Romney has the best organization in Iowa due to his financial advantages. Edwards and Hillary have the best organization on the dem side; this is why despite having good poll numbers, Obama might be fucked in Iowa

I was just curious if you had read anything about it. It sounds like what you are saying is Romney has the most money which means the best organizing, which i disagree.

paid professionals >>>> enthusiastic net denizens

That's what it comes down too, although it's kinda sad at the same time. Romney has a lot of non-paid enthusiasts in Iowa but the roots of the campaign is built on battle tested strategists and caucus professionals
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #127 on: December 11, 2007, 06:21:51 PM »
It is very hard to describe how Iowa caucus's work. It's VERY intimidating.

It is legal (and it is very much advised and pushed by the candidates) to intimidate voters and pressure voters while caucusing.

There could be a large group of Romney fans standing in the caucus building and they will be YELLING and bullying a small group of *any candidate here* supporters till they fall into peer pressure and switch sides. It's a crazy system.

Its a mad house of people yelling and shouting while running around various corners of a room.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #128 on: December 11, 2007, 06:35:27 PM »
It is very hard to describe how Iowa caucus's work. It's VERY intimidating.

It is legal (and it is very much advised and pushed by the candidates) to intimidate voters and pressure voters while caucusing.

There could be a large group of Romney fans standing in the caucus building and they will be YELLING and bullying a small group of *any candidate here* supporters till they fall into peer pressure and switch sides. It's a crazy system.

Its a mad house of people yelling and shouting while running around various corners of a room.

Yea I saw a video of it. Pretty cool. But, I do know one group of caucus goers that will not be intimidated.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #129 on: December 11, 2007, 06:41:33 PM »
It is very hard to describe how Iowa caucus's work. It's VERY intimidating.

It is legal (and it is very much advised and pushed by the candidates) to intimidate voters and pressure voters while caucusing.

There could be a large group of Romney fans standing in the caucus building and they will be YELLING and bullying a small group of *any candidate here* supporters till they fall into peer pressure and switch sides. It's a crazy system.

Its a mad house of people yelling and shouting while running around various corners of a room.

Yea I saw a video of it. Pretty cool. But, I do know one group of caucus goers that will not be intimidated.

would these ones be the ones who think the civil rights bill was unconstitutional?

Anyway:

Pretty damn big endorsement for Mitt, the NR is the biggest conservative mag in the country.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #130 on: December 11, 2007, 06:46:00 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol

Conservative magazine...

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« Reply #131 on: December 11, 2007, 06:47:28 PM »
:lol :lol :lol

Conservative magazine...
its the most read conservative magazine in the country, its huge.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #132 on: December 11, 2007, 06:50:50 PM »
Oh snaps!  :o

I wonder who The Nation will endorse
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #133 on: December 11, 2007, 06:52:28 PM »
Romney isn't conservative though...

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« Reply #134 on: December 11, 2007, 06:56:32 PM »
Romney isn't conservative though...
yeah ok, whatever.

From NR:
Many conservatives are finding it difficult to pick a presidential candidate. Each of the men running for the Republican nomination has strengths, and none has everything — all the traits, all the positions — we are looking for. Equally conservative analysts can reach, and have reached, different judgments in this matter. There are fine conservatives supporting each of these Republicans.

Our guiding principle has always been to select the most conservative viable candidate. In our judgment, that candidate is Mitt Romney
, the former governor of Massachusetts. Unlike some other candidates in the race, Romney is a full-spectrum conservative: a supporter of free-market economics and limited government, moral causes such as the right to life and the preservation of marriage, and a foreign policy based on the national interest. While he has not talked much about the importance of resisting ethnic balkanization — none of the major candidates has — he supports enforcing the immigration laws and opposes amnesty. Those are important steps in the right direction.

Uniting the conservative coalition is not enough to win a presidential election, but it is a prerequisite for building on that coalition. Rudolph Giuliani did extraordinary work as mayor of New York and was inspirational on 9/11. But he and Mike Huckabee would pull apart the coalition from opposite ends: Giuliani alienating the social conservatives, and Huckabee the economic (and foreign-policy) conservatives. A Republican party that abandoned either limited government or moral standards would be much diminished in the service it could give the country.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #135 on: December 12, 2007, 10:35:25 AM »
What is your guy's dream ticket for 08?

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« Reply #136 on: December 12, 2007, 10:38:07 AM »
http://www.nationalcaucus.com/results
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On December 7, 2007 across the country, Democrat, Republican and Open Caucus groups formed independently and Caucused on National Caucus Day. The First National Presidential Caucus is now history and the results are in.
Barack Obama wins over Democrat voters generating 40% of Democrat Caucus voter preferences. Obama was followed by a three-way tie for second, with John Edwards, Bill Richardson and "Undecided" each generating 20% of Democratic Caucus preferences.


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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #137 on: December 12, 2007, 10:45:51 AM »
That was created over the internet and advertised through the internet. The internet is useless in politics.

As everyone knows the internet has no impact on elections. Candidates who have strong internet bases always fail. Which is why many democrats are not getting their hopes up over Obama.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #138 on: December 12, 2007, 10:46:36 AM »
That was created over the internet.

As everyone knows the internet has no impact on elections. Candidates who have strong internet bases always fail. Which is why many democrats are not getting their hopes up over Obama.

Candidates such as? Dean?

That's the only other candidate with a strong internet base.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #139 on: December 12, 2007, 11:15:43 AM »
That was created over the internet.

As everyone knows the internet has no impact on elections. Candidates who have strong internet bases always fail. Which is why many democrats are not getting their hopes up over Obama.

Candidates such as? Dean?

That's the only other candidate with a strong internet base.

Well, we're less than a month away from the beginning of the end for your guy.  So that'll be two.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #140 on: December 12, 2007, 11:18:14 AM »


Well, we're less than a month away from the beginning of the end for your guy.  So that'll be two.

I dont think so.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #141 on: December 12, 2007, 11:26:08 AM »
How the hell is Romney even in first place on his side? The dude is fucking nuts.  ::)
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #142 on: December 12, 2007, 11:36:47 AM »


Well, we're less than a month away from the beginning of the end for your guy.  So that'll be two.

I dont think so.

Yes, well everyone else here will tell you that you're a fucking idiot for thinking that, and in less than a month the confirmation will begin to roll in.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #143 on: December 12, 2007, 12:04:29 PM »

Yes, well everyone else here will tell you that you're a fucking idiot for thinking that, and in less than a month the confirmation will begin to roll in.

I didnt realize everyone here is an expert.

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« Reply #144 on: December 12, 2007, 12:12:49 PM »
How the hell is Romney even in first place on his side? The dude is fucking nuts.  ::)

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #145 on: December 12, 2007, 12:17:49 PM »

Yes, well everyone else here will tell you that you're a fucking idiot for thinking that, and in less than a month the confirmation will begin to roll in.

I didnt realize everyone here is an expert.
Why would we need to be experts to see the obvious? And anyway, what do most actual politcal experts think? They certainly don't side with you.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #146 on: December 12, 2007, 12:41:03 PM »
I really think you are all going to be surprised by the amount of grassroots support for Paul. 

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« Reply #147 on: December 12, 2007, 12:46:46 PM »
I really think you are all going to be surprised by the amount of grassroots support for Paul. 

And we think you're going to be surprised by what that support amounts to.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #148 on: December 12, 2007, 12:47:11 PM »
I really think you are all going to be surprised by the amount of grassroots support for Paul. 

And we think you're going to be surprised by what that support amounts to.

So we agree to disagree.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #149 on: December 12, 2007, 12:53:20 PM »
Its only like 3 weeks till this is basically over, wait it out foc will get his due.

Despite Huckabee's rise and Iowa and Thompson dropping out of NH Romney still has control over NH:

Romney - 32
Rudy - 19
McCain - 19
Huckabee - 9

For Dems it goes much tighter:
Hillary - 30
Obama - 30
Edwards - 14
Richardson - 7
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #150 on: December 12, 2007, 01:12:18 PM »
What do you think will happen to Paul's large grassroots effort when he loses?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #151 on: December 12, 2007, 01:20:42 PM »
Same thing that happens to deans. They fall apart. Most will end up voting Hillary/Obama (whoever wins the dem nomination) I'd suspect.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #152 on: December 12, 2007, 01:32:47 PM »
Same thing that happens to deans. They fall apart. Most will end up voting Hillary/Obama (whoever wins the dem nomination) I'd suspect.

Do you think the Dean people were just as dedicated and passionate as Ron Paul supporters?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #153 on: December 12, 2007, 01:33:06 PM »
Wait? You think Ron Paul supporters will vote for Hillary?   :lol

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« Reply #154 on: December 12, 2007, 01:37:34 PM »
Wait? You think Ron Paul supporters will vote for Hillary?   :lol

I personally think most Ron Paul supporters will either not vote or vote for the Libertarian candidate, whoever that ends up being.  But I could see Cheebs' reasoning- a lot of Paul's support comes from people who want to end the war so it's not unreasonable to assume they'd vote for someone who doesn't want to escalate the war at the least.
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« Reply #155 on: December 12, 2007, 01:39:13 PM »
Same thing that happens to deans. They fall apart. Most will end up voting Hillary/Obama (whoever wins the dem nomination) I'd suspect.

Do you think the Dean people were just as dedicated and passionate as Ron Paul supporters?
Dean had far far far more supporters than Paul. Dean actually won polls.


Yeah Raoul. When it comes down to slightly pro-iraq war vs. crazy neocon super supportive of Iraq War who do anti-war people pick? They hold their nose and vote Hillary.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #156 on: December 12, 2007, 01:46:46 PM »
So Paul supporters= anti war people?


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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #157 on: December 12, 2007, 01:47:09 PM »
a lot of Paul's support comes from people who want to end the war so it's not unreasonable to assume they'd vote for someone who doesn't want to escalate the war at the least.

What are you basing this on?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #158 on: December 12, 2007, 01:50:21 PM »
You mistake something loud and obnoxious for something that is large.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #159 on: December 12, 2007, 01:51:05 PM »
Get the Paul crap out of here. As of right now he has far fewer supporters than Dean had. Dean actually led polls going into the primaries and was able to come in third. Paul won't come in 4th anywhere
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #160 on: December 12, 2007, 01:51:39 PM »
a lot of Paul's support comes from people who want to end the war so it's not unreasonable to assume they'd vote for someone who doesn't want to escalate the war at the least.

What are you basing this on?

You're right, I'm sorry.  It's far more reasonable to assume that most of his support comes from people who hate the civil rights act and love the gold standard.  My mistake.  ::)

Think it through for a minute.  Paul supporters make a big deal out of freaking out over civil liberties being curtailed in support of "the war on terror", want to get out of Iraq and generally don't like a warmongering foreign policy.  Well Jesus, that doesn't sound like Romney, Rudy or Huckabee.  Sounds more like Hillary.
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« Reply #161 on: December 12, 2007, 01:58:10 PM »
I think most Ron Paul supporters simply use his anti-war stance to enlarge the tent. They are more interested in his fringe ideas. His position on the Iraq war is there to get more mainstream support.

This is not to say that Paul is disingenuous.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #162 on: December 12, 2007, 02:01:15 PM »

You're right, I'm sorry.  It's far more reasonable to assume that most of his support comes from people who hate the civil rights act and love the gold standard.  My mistake.  ::)

Think it through for a minute.  Paul supporters make a big deal out of freaking out over civil liberties being curtailed in support of "the war on terror", want to get out of Iraq and generally don't like a warmongering foreign policy.  Well Jesus, that doesn't sound like Romney, Rudy or Huckabee.  Sounds more like Hillary.

I have been to ron paul meetups here and I can say that without a doubt I have not met one person that will vote for the dem nom. Maybe It's just because I live in Texas, or maybe because I actually know what Im talking about instead of pulling diarrhea out of my ass.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #163 on: December 12, 2007, 02:02:41 PM »

Think it through for a minute.  Paul supporters make a big deal out of freaking out over civil liberties being curtailed in support of "the war on terror", want to get out of Iraq and generally don't like a warmongering foreign policy.  Well Jesus, that doesn't sound like Romney, Rudy or Huckabee.  Sounds more like Hillary.


WOW Holy shit, you really dont know hillary.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #164 on: December 12, 2007, 02:03:14 PM »

You're right, I'm sorry.  It's far more reasonable to assume that most of his support comes from people who hate the civil rights act and love the gold standard.  My mistake.  ::)

Think it through for a minute.  Paul supporters make a big deal out of freaking out over civil liberties being curtailed in support of "the war on terror", want to get out of Iraq and generally don't like a warmongering foreign policy.  Well Jesus, that doesn't sound like Romney, Rudy or Huckabee.  Sounds more like Hillary.

I have been to ron paul meetups here and I can say that without a doubt I have not met one person that will vote for the dem nom. Maybe It's just because I live in Texas, or maybe because I actually know what Im talking about instead of pulling diarrhea out of my ass.

You don't voluntarily pull diarrhea out your ass - as Dr. Malcolm would say, it finds a way to come out your mouth and fingertips.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #165 on: December 12, 2007, 03:07:41 PM »
How the hell is Romney even in first place on his side? The dude is fucking nuts.  ::)
:lol  "I want to double Guantanamo"  :'(
that sounds like a sex position.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #166 on: December 12, 2007, 03:08:27 PM »
It's more likely because you live in Texas. Texas is still very much in the pro-Bush, pro-neocon stance on the world.

The coasts are very polar than your bible belt you live in, and the Midwest has been a dying ground for conservatives over the past 4 years. Texas...is a different story.

Your environment dilutes how the rest of the country views the world. Your anti-tax and anti-government ideals don't mesh in with the nation who is adamant about receiving universal health care to the point republican front runners like Mitt Romney & Mike Huckabee are even talking about it.

State and local government are growing less and less influential and important in the nations eyes. People used to care about local elections to a certain extent, that is shrinking. You live in Texas so you do not see this. The national government, partially thanks to the divisive war is all people talk about.

Michigan is going under a horrible economic recession, did the voters try to make change on the local level? No. They blamed Bush rather than our governor for our problems (incorrectly I must add, MI's problems are not to be laid at Bush's feet).

But lets get on track shall we?

Perhaps the Oprah insanity this weekend wasn't as important as originally thought:
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Key finding: "While 97% of likely Democratic Primary voters were aware that Oprah Winfrey had endorsed Obama, just 7% said the endorsement would make them support Obama, while 88 percent said it would not. When the same voters were asked whose endorsement was worth more, 56 percent said Bill Clinton’s, while 19% said Winfrey’s."
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #167 on: December 12, 2007, 03:12:49 PM »
That may be true, but Granholm is toast as is Kilpatrick
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« Reply #168 on: December 12, 2007, 03:14:29 PM »
That may be true, but Granholm is toast as is Kilpatrick
She is, she'll never run for Senator now. But the point was in 2006 voters blamed the national government for MI's woes, not the state government. Americans tend to think and focus on national government when they think of whats wrong and what needs to be fixed. FoC's texas mindset deludes him into thinking this is not so.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #169 on: December 12, 2007, 03:42:45 PM »
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DEMS HOLD FIRE ON HUCKABEE; SEE 'EASY KILL' IN GENERAL ELECTION
Tue Dec 11 2007 10:27:53 ET

**Exclusive**

Democrat party officials are avoiding any and all criticism of Republican presidential contender Mike Huckabee, insiders reveal.

The Democratic National Committee has told staffers to hold all fire, until he secures the party's nomination.

The directive has come down from the highest levels within the party, according to a top source.

Within the DNC, Huckabee is known as the "glass jaw -- and they're just waiting to break it."

In the last three weeks since Huckabee's surge kicked in, the DNC hasn't released a single press release criticizing his rising candidacy.

The last DNC press release critical of Huckabee appeared back on March 2nd.

[DNC Press Release Attack Summary:

Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) – 37% (99 press releases)
Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) – 28% (74)
Senator John McCain (R-AZ) – 24% (64)
Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN) – 8% (20)
Governor Mike Huckabee – 2% (4)]

In fact, as the story broke over the weekend that Huckabee said he wanted to isolate AIDS patients back in 1992, the DNC ignored the opportunity to slam the candidate from the left.

"He'll easily be their McGovern, an easy kill," mocked one senior Democrat operative Tuesday morning from Washington.

"His letting out murderers because they shout 'Jesus', his wanting to put 300,000 AIDS patients and Magic Johnson into isolation, ain't even scratching the surface of what we've got on him."

The discipline the Democrats have shown in not engaging Huckabee has earned the praise of one former Republican Party official:

"The Democrats are doing a much better job restraining themselves than the GOP did in 2003 when Howard Dean looked like he was on the brink of winning the nomination."

A close friend to Huckabee explains: "Look, Mike is Hillary Clinton's worst nightmare. They should be squirming."

Developing...
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashhu.htm

Huckabee would beat Hillary in a general election, fuck the odds
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« Reply #170 on: December 12, 2007, 03:43:38 PM »
Huckabee can't win a general election, case closed. He reminds me A LOT of McGovern, like the article sources.

A confused primary where the party can't decide and go with their warm touchy feely candidate...and they lose in a landslide to a shrill calculating politician.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #171 on: December 12, 2007, 03:44:12 PM »
He'd beat Hillary
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« Reply #172 on: December 12, 2007, 03:44:48 PM »
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #173 on: December 12, 2007, 03:47:11 PM »
Hillary is one of the most hated figures in American politics. She's not winning anything. If she gets the nomination and faces Rudy, Romney, or Huckabee, she loses
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« Reply #174 on: December 12, 2007, 03:48:04 PM »
Hillary is one of the most hated figures in American politics. She's not winning anything. If she gets the nomination and faces Rudy, Romney, or Huckabee, she loses
Sounds like Bush in 2004. Why does she beat everyone (except McCain lol) in head to head matchups then?
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« Reply #175 on: December 12, 2007, 05:16:43 PM »
Pee Dee, please always keep in mind...

YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT SHIT
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« Reply #176 on: December 12, 2007, 05:33:08 PM »
PD claimed Republicans would hold the house all the way to late october, right before the election in 2006, when most people were making the claim far before in the summer that dems would win. He ALWAYS gives republicans the advantage in his "predictions".

I remember I called him an idiot like early oct 2006 for claiming republicans would keep the house at gaf.
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« Reply #177 on: December 12, 2007, 06:41:54 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=3990796&page=1
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Winners:
Mike Huckabee: Nothing happened to slow his momentum, and plenty happened to suggest that it will continue.
Ron Paul: Loved the focus on questions of national debt, the Constitution and an overreaching federal government.

In neutral:
Mitt Romney: Missed chances to take on Huckabee, and Iowa voters will never get the one-on-one exchange that could have determined the caucus' outcome. Not a bad afternoon, but Romney could have used something dramatic to regain his footing.

John McCain: A nonfactor on the stage, which probably doesn't matter, because he's a nonfactor in the caucuses. But his fans could be reassured by another steady performance.

Losers:

Fred Thompson: Provided a highlight of the ho-hum debate by slapping down the debate moderator, refusing to raise his hand or answer a yes-or-no question. Guess he can kiss that Des Moines Register endorsement goodbye ...

Rudy Giuliani: Not an awful afternoon, but he provided some unintended comic relief. "I can't think of a public figure who's been more transparent."

Alan Keyes: Seriously, why was he on the stage?




Gay Boy

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #178 on: December 12, 2007, 06:55:56 PM »
did you watch it? Paul getting booed was hilarious. Buuut to be on topic. Robert Novak has some thoughts on how the race is shaping up going into the final few weeks:

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Democrats: "Sen. Hillary Clinton still has a huge national lead for the Democratic presidential nomination, but it is deceptive. Sen. Barack Obama has not only moved ahead of her in the opening Iowa caucuses but has pulled even in the subsequent primaries in New Hampshire and South Carolina. The panic felt by the Clinton camp explains the attacks on Obama, which so far have proved counterproductive. Democratic insiders who not long ago viewed Clinton's nomination as inevitable now see it as only a slightly better than even bet."

Republicans: "The rise of former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee makes the outcome of the Republican presidential nomination totally unpredictable. Huckabee is so out of phase with the conservative mainstream (and even with the evangelical movement) that it is still hard to see how he can be nominated. But if he defeats former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in Iowa, the outlook becomes blurred. In Republican ranks, the contest is seen as a battle between Romney and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani."
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FlameOfCallandor

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #179 on: December 12, 2007, 06:56:53 PM »
did you watch it? Paul getting booed was hilarious.

You like the Iraq war?