Official 2008 Election thread

[brawndolicious]

but they don't have a reason to charge the least amount of money to provide health care, schooling, etc.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Heres why we need taxes. The public wants govt. programs. They ask, beg,  and demand for them from univeral health care to you name it. Govt has to pay for what the public demands.

If the public demands we print a million dollars for everyone should we do that?

[FlameOfCallandor]

but they don't have a reason to charge the least amount of money to provide health care, schooling, etc.

Who?

[Gay Boy]

Heres why we need taxes. The public wants govt. programs. They ask, beg,  and demand for them from univeral health care to you name it. Govt has to pay for what the public demands.

If the public demands we print a million dollars for everyone should we do that?

If the public wants it, and they vote for a candidate who says they will then yes. Its how our democracy works.

They want something, they find a candidate who will give it to them, and elect them.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2003/08/13/nr_liberalarts/
Weird.

$6 million dollars! i bet that paid for one room.


Try this

The university receives income from an endowment known as the Permanent University Fund (PUF), with $11.6 billion (fourth-largest in the United States) in assets as of November 2005,[44] of which 30 percent is dedicated to the university.

Privately funded endowments contribute over $2 billion to the University's total endowment value.

[FlameOfCallandor]

If the public wants it, and they vote for a candidate who says they will then yes. Its how our democracy works.

They want something, they find a candidate who will give it to them, and elect them.

We don't live in a democracy. Democracy is not written anywhere in our constitution. Guess what is

HINT:

republic

[brawndolicious]

but they don't have a reason to charge the least amount of money to provide health care, schooling, etc.

Who?

there is no way that a corporation designed to generate profit (make rich people richer in quite a few cases) is going to be less expensive for things like health care and schooling compared to a government and overspending on a job.

can you find an example of a government job that a corporation could and would do more cheaply?  you constantly go on about government being too much in our lives but do you think the employer of the people who run society matters to most people?

It's a democratic republic.  Univ healthcare is possible.

[Gay Boy]

whats your thoughts on the bush tax cuts FoC, you know those tax cuts for the wealthy.

[FlameOfCallandor]

there is no way that a corporation designed to generate profit (make rich people richer in quite a few cases) is going to be less expensive of an alternative for things like health care and schooling compared to a government and overspending on a job.

can you find an example of a government job that a corporation could and would do more cheaply?  you constantly go on about government being too much in our lives but do you think the employer of the people who run society matters to most people?

It's a democratic republic.  Univ healthcare is possible.

Government subsidies only increase the cost of anything. If we have government run healthcare with no competition, what will be their incentive to lower costs? Their will be none. You basically just said that if we take out competition from the market then prices will be low for some unknown reason.

[T234]

No. Court Day is an event in the city of Mt. Sterling, KY. It is NOT a gun show, but just a festival (sort-of).
Depends upon the gun show I guess.

oh I see.  I know that it's legal even in pawn shops to buy semi-auto AK's but do they sell fully automatics?  Are these private sellers?

If by private seller you mean persons willing to sell to anybody who is white and looks over the age of 17, then yes. No paperwork. Full automatics.

[FlameOfCallandor]

whats your thoughts on the bush tax cuts FoC, you know those tax cuts for the wealthy.

I dont know anything about them.

[Gay Boy]

FoC what does this tell you about Americans views on the govt?

                        

"Do you think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have health care coverage, or is that not the responsibility of the federal government?"

Is - 69%
Is Not - 28%

[FlameOfCallandor]

there is no way that a corporation designed to generate profit (make rich people richer in quite a few cases) is going to be less expensive for things

You realize that instead of TEH EviL CEOs getting rich it will just be government employees, or recipients of government contracts that are awarded through bribes or any other dirty method. The people in power will find ways to remain in power even if that means not improving healthcare for the good of the people.

[FlameOfCallandor]

FoC what does this tell you about Americans views on the govt?

                        

"Do you think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have health care coverage, or is that not the responsibility of the federal government?"

Is - 69%
Is Not - 28%

Should the government print free money for all Americans

Yes-99%
no-1%


Awesome!!!

[FlameOfCallandor]

Gay boy, take an economics class and learn why our country was founded on individualism and why we have prospered. A populist democracy will only work against the forces of capitalism. You basically trade away future generation's tax freedom for perceived free government entitlements. It wont last.


Do you think Social Security will always just have money in it forever?

[brawndolicious]

Government subsidies only increase the cost of anything. If we have government run healthcare with no competition, what will be their incentive to lower costs? Their will be none. You basically just said that if we take out competition from the market then prices will be low for some unknown reason.

how exactly do insurance company and hospital competition encourage lower prices?  could you explain to me what sorts of things are happening?

If by private seller you mean persons willing to sell to anybody who is white and looks over the age of 17, then yes. No paperwork. Full automatics.

wow that's fucked up.  so what happens if you get arrested and you have one of those guns?  don't you have to be registered to that gun or does the seller at court day also give you the gun's registration?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Wow, 88 million in one year alone from the federal government.

What percent of 13 BILLIOn is 88 million? Im sure UT would get by just fine without any federal money.

[FlameOfCallandor]

how exactly do insurance company and hospital competition encourage lower prices?  could you explain to me what sorts of things are happening?

Competition. If everyone switched from geico because it sucked, they would have an incentive to decrease their price or incresse their services. If their is a monopoly then no such competition exists.

[Gay Boy]

What about poor people who can't afford any private health care?

[T234]

Government subsidies only increase the cost of anything. If we have government run healthcare with no competition, what will be their incentive to lower costs? Their will be none. You basically just said that if we take out competition from the market then prices will be low for some unknown reason.

how exactly do insurance company and hospital competition encourage lower prices?  could you explain to me what sorts of things are happening?

If by private seller you mean persons willing to sell to anybody who is white and looks over the age of 17, then yes. No paperwork. Full automatics.

wow that's fucked up.  so what happens if you get arrested and you have one of those guns?  don't you have to be registered to that gun or does the seller at court day also give you the gun's registration?

In all seriousness, the only paper that changes hands is cash.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Wow, 88 million in one year alone from the federal government.

What percent of 13 BILLIOn is 88 million?

It's .6 percent. Wow that sure is alot!

[T234]

Wow, 88 million in one year alone from the federal government.

What percent of 13 BILLIOn is 88 million? Im sure UT would get by just fine without any federal money.

[FlameOfCallandor]

What about poor people who can't afford any private health care?

What about them?

[Gay Boy]

What about poor people who can't afford any private health care?

What about them?

dont they deserve health care?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Perhaps, except for the fact that it doesn't get by with private funding alone.  Can I start demading my tax dollars back now?

I'm only arguing that it could.

[FlameOfCallandor]

dont they deserve health care?

Can they afford it?

[FlameOfCallandor]

If we ended medicaid and medicare tomorrow, eventually healtcare insurers would pop up that would cater towards them. Would it be as good as the health insurance for the CEO of wal-mart? No. But the market would fill the void.

[Gay Boy]

If we ended medicaid and medicare tomorrow, eventually healtcare insurers would pop up that would cater towards them. Would it be as good as the health insurance for the CEO of wal-mart? No. But the market would fill the void.

businesses would not cater to them, they have NO MONEY.

[FlameOfCallandor]

If you are really interested in understanding my side.  http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

[FlameOfCallandor]

businesses would not cater to them, they have NO MONEY.

Then why do I keep seeing commercials for Boost mobile, 30' rims and other shit people really cant afford.

[FlameOfCallandor]

i'd like my tax dollars back plz.  I went to a small privately funded school because I am against the tyranny of "WE" and didn't want the sweat of the workers to pay for my education.

If you went to a private school then you should want your tax dollars that went to public universities back. You paid for something you didnt use.

[Gay Boy]

businesses would not cater to them, they have NO MONEY.

Then why do I keep seeing commercials for Boost mobile, 30' rims and other shit people really cant afford.

how the fuck does that at all apply to dirt poor people being unable to buy health care?

[FlameOfCallandor]

how the fuck does that at all apply to dirt poor people being unable to buy health care?

Priorities. Nobody's priorities are straight in this country. We all feel like we are entitled to spend and consume more than we really can, and then blame the government when we cannot afford certain necessities.

[Gay Boy]

how the fuck does that at all apply to dirt poor people being unable to buy health care?

Priorities. Nobody's priorities are straight in this country. We all feel like we are entitled to spend and consume more than we really can, and then blame the government when we cannot afford certain necessities.

WHat about the people who can't afford it purely because they are just that plain poor not cause they waste money?

[FlameOfCallandor]

WHat about the people who can't afford it purely because they are just that plain poor not cause they waste money?

Why cant they afford it?

[FlameOfCallandor]

i'd like my tax dollars back plz.  I went to a small privately funded school because I am against the tyranny of "WE" and didn't want the sweat of the workers to pay for my education.

If you went to a private school then you should want your tax dollars that went to public universities back. You paid for something you didnt use.

Of course I want it back.  I din't use it while a bunch of social parasites who are too lazy to make it themselves leeched off the system by using government subsidies to complete educations at public universities.

Thats the basis of the voucher system. All those tax dollars that you paid would have gone towards paying for your private education.

[Gay Boy]

WHat about the people who can't afford it purely because they are just that plain poor not cause they waste money?

Why cant they afford it?

Because they are poor. Thats it. Like a single mom with many kids working a min. wage job...etc

[FlameOfCallandor]

Because they are poor. Thats it. Like a single mom with many kids working a min. wage job...etc

Maybe she should shouldn't have multiple kids while working minimum wage. Why should society be punished for dirt poor people, that cant make more than minimum wage, having kids.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Gay boy, if you care so much for these poor mothers why dont you donate money to private organizations that help these people? Why force people who dont want to do it?

[Gay Boy]

Because they are poor. Thats it. Like a single mom with many kids working a min. wage job...etc

Maybe she should shouldn't have multiple kids while working minimum wage. Why should society be punished for dirt poor people, that cant make more than minimum wage, having kids.

You have no compassion at all.

THIS is why Huckabee is surging. Compassionate Conservatism.

[FlameOfCallandor]

You have no compassion at all.

THIS is why Huckabee is surging. Compassionate Conservatism.

Sure, i have alot of compassion. I just don't feel the urge to force other people to be compassionate. It's their own business.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Gay boy, do you agree with this

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

[Gay Boy]

no. If you succeed in life, you can reap the benefits. Communism is a joke.

But its our DUTY to help those who are in dire near to have the necessities of life. Which includes health care.

[Gay Boy]

Lets get this off of FoC's political views and back to the candidates.

[Human Snorenado]

If we ended medicaid and medicare tomorrow, eventually healtcare insurers would pop up that would cater towards them. Would it be as good as the health insurance for the CEO of wal-mart? No. But the market would fill the void.

cost of services >>> available money for these people.

[Phoenix Dark]

I agree with Prole on guns. It's the second amendment, get over it libruls

[FlameOfCallandor]

But its our DUTY to help those who are in dire near to have the necessities of life.

Who says it's our duty to be forced to do it?

[etiolate]

When we build gated communities we are saying the market will not correct itself. When we say "too bad they're poor" we are saying the market will not correct itself. When we say it is not our duty to help then the market will not correct itself.

You are displaying the very mentality that counters your whole economic hope.

[FlameOfCallandor]

When we build gated communities we are saying the market will not correct itself. When we say "too bad they're poor" we are saying the market will not correct itself. When we say it is not our duty to help then the market will not correct itself.

You are displaying the very mentality that counters your whole economic hope.

[brawndolicious]

Competition. If everyone switched from geico because it sucked, they would have an incentive to decrease their price or incresse their services. If their is a monopoly then no such competition exists.

right, but how would you make them provide health care for the homeless or poor?  it's distinguished mentally-challenged to think free clinics could provide life-saving services.

If by private seller you mean persons willing to sell to anybody who is white and looks over the age of 17, then yes. No paperwork. Full automatics.

wow that's fucked up.  so what happens if you get arrested and you have one of those guns?  don't you have to be registered to that gun or does the seller at court day also give you the gun's registration?
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In all seriousness, the only paper that changes hands is cash.
[/quote]
so these are totally illegal sales?

[FlameOfCallandor]

right, but how would you make them provide health care for the homeless or poor?  it's distinguished mentally-challenged to think free clinics could provide life-saving services.

People could still go into the ER like they do now. They would just have to pay for it.

[brawndolicious]

by your logic, you would have millions of people dependant on the government having to go to private organizations or else they'll be in debt to the hospitals for the rest of their life.  and most likely die before they pay that off.  your system might make sense if the private charities like bought the health insurance for the poor but that is the most distinguished mentally-challenged idea ever.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I still think Alan Keyes has a chance.
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[Gay Boy]

I still think Alan Keyes has a chance.
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Only slightly less than Paul.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I still think Alan Keyes has a chance.
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Only slightly less than Paul.

Is everything you say about Paul? Are you obsessed?

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://huckabeefacts.com/

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://huckabeefacts.com/

http://www.ronpaulfacts.com/

 

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.romneyfacts.com/

[Gay Boy]

Hillary seems to be having a bit of a comeback in Iowa and SC after Obama tied her in both earlier this month:

The latest Rasmussen Reports poll of the Iowa Democratic Caucus finds that Hillary Clinton is supported by 29% of Likely Caucus Participants. That’s up two points from two weeks ago and identical to her level of support a month ago.

Her lead is back outside the margin of error in Iowa

as for SC....

Hillary - 44
Obama - 40

They had Obama up by six last week.

DailyKos is getting some shit for claiming Hillary is still the front runner in Iowa from angry liberal bloggers. His rational is spot on though:

I worry about the ability of his young college student supporters to get to Iowa to caucus before their dorms are open, not to mention their lack of caucusing experience (which killed Dean in 2004). All else being equal (including the poll numbers), this might be enough to give Iowa to Hillary.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Lack of college goers was not what killed Dean. College kids dont have land lines thus they cant be polled. That doesnt explain why he had such strong poll numbers.