Official 2008 Election thread

[FlameOfCallandor]

please explain to me again how you use the value of gold under a debt-based currency to justify using gold to replace that debt-based currency

that won't ever happen outside of a total worldwide collapse of modern civilization and a return to basic bartering. maybe that is what foc wants anyway, given the propensity of libertarians to be intrigued by or involved with terrorist militia movements.

Wrong. It will happen when the dollar collapses.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

please explain to me again how you use the value of gold under a debt-based currency to justify using gold to replace that debt-based currency

because that's a neat trick

Im not sure I understand the question. Do you want me to explain why wt will have a commodity system in the future?

1. Under our current debt-based system (A), paper money has no real value.
2. We need to replace (A) with a new monetary system backed by something of value. (B)
2. A system based on the gold-standard (B) is a good idea, because gold is valuable--it's worth $800 per ounce under system (A).

Do you not see the circular reasoning?

You're saying that paper money is worthless--but gold is valuable because it's worth $800 paper dollars! You can't have it both ways!

[FlameOfCallandor]

You're saying that paper money is worthless, but gold is valuable because it's worth $800 paper dollars. You can't have it both ways!

I dont think I said that paper money has no value. Obviously anything wanted in the market has value.

[Fragamemnon]

Wrong. It will happen when the dollar collapses.

does that happen before or after texas secedes from the union after ron paul's army of freemen partisans prevent the crossing of the 1st armored division at the red river.

just trying to keep your fantasy timeline straight for the purposes of this discussion.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

You're saying that paper money is worthless, but gold is valuable because it's worth $800 paper dollars. You can't have it both ways!

I dont think I said that paper money has no value. Obviously anything wanted in the market has value.

If "anything wanted in the market has value," then why should we tie our currency to a single, artificial commodity like gold?

[APF]

People like freedom. what can I say?

People also like to be given free shit, especially if it's at some rich doof's expense.

[Gay Boy]

Huck' is now "attacking" Rush.

Rush doesn’t think for himself. That’s not necessarily a slap because he’s not paid to be a thinker—he’s an entertainer. I can’t remember the last time that he has veered from the talking points from the DC/Manhattan chattering class.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Huck' is now "attacking" Rush.

Rush doesn’t think for himself. That’s not necessarily a slap because he’s not paid to be a thinker—he’s an entertainer. I can’t remember the last time that he has veered from the talking points from the DC/Manhattan chattering class.

Not a good move. Prepare for the HuckaBust.

[Gay Boy]

Huckabee while an extremely evangelical christian and extremely conservative on moral issues seems to be enjoying trashing the republican party on everything not related to "moral values" lately.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Huckabee while an extremely evangelical christian and extremely conservative on moral issues seems to be enjoying trashing the republican party on everything not related to "moral values" lately.

Im glad he surged early. I hope he un-surges in the next few days.

[Gay Boy]

not much time left. Voters shut down from christmas through new years in terms of paying attention to whats going on. This week is the really the final week to get your message out there.

[Gay Boy]

Ironically the vote being the week after christmas is helpful to Huckabee then lol

[Phoenix Dark]

Huckabee

[Van Cruncheon]

Huckabee

get out, you are lower than any paulscum

[Howard Alan Treesong]

huckabee more like hyuck, ah'll be!

[Phoenix Dark]

Huckabee

get out, you are lower than any paulscum

GUNZ


MORE GUNZ


BASS


MORE BASS

[FlameOfCallandor]

This thread needs more Ron Paul and less fascism.

[Gay Boy]

This thread needs more Ron Paul and less fascism.

you have your own thread for that.

[Phoenix Dark]

WTF

[FlameOfCallandor]

Hillary looks like more of an old man than ron paul. 

[Mandark]

Now McCain's doing well in NH.

I know it's not going to happen, but this is probably going to be the best chance in my lifetime of seeing a brokered convention.  I really, really, really want to see that happen, just once.

[Gay Boy]

McCain has pulled ahead of Romney in a recent Iowa poll too.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/flynt200712

Flint on Giuliani: 'I don’t know if he’s gay or not.

 

[Phoenix Dark]

“I’m not gay,” he continues. “I don’t hate gays. But I don’t want to live in an apartment full of them. They’ll bitch and cry and all. That doesn’t bother Giuliani. It doesn’t bother Giuliani to put a dress on to do Saturday Night Live. I don’t trust him. I don’t think he’s electable.”

[Phoenix Dark]

McCain could kill all the nominees. 

[Human Snorenado]

Now McCain's doing well in NH.

I know it's not going to happen, but this is probably going to be the best chance in my lifetime of seeing a brokered convention.  I really, really, really want to see that happen, just once.

That is a dream of mine.  60 year men getting in fistfights

I third this notion.  I hope that Giuliani further confuses things by sticking around until New York/California/anywhere else he was leading, so then maybe we'll have four nominees with delegates.  Also, none of them will be named Ron Paul.

[Mandark]

Apparently the Democratic party made proportional representation mandatory, but the Republican primaries are a mix of winner-take-all and proportional.

I think that means the best shot for a non-majority would be strong regional splits.  Like Huckabee carries some states in the south and midwest, Romney grabs some rust belt states, McCain and Giuliani split the blue states, computer malfunction gives Texas to Thompson...

[Gay Boy]

If I were a betting man I'd go

Iowa: Huckabee
NH: McCain (seriously)
Michigan: Romney
SC: Huckabee
With a big mess of a fight and confusion with Huckabee in a hotly contested and close nomination.

Dems:
Iowa: Edwards
NH: Clinton
SC: Clinton
With clinton sweeping the rest

[FlameOfCallandor]

Apparently the Democratic party made proportional representation mandatory, but the Republican primaries are a mix of winner-take-all and proportional.

I think that means the best shot for a non-majority would be strong regional splits.  Like Huckabee carries some states in the south and midwest, Romney grabs some rust belt states, McCain and Giuliani split the blue states, computer malfunction gives Texas to Thompson...

You may be closer to the truth than you think. There was an article on digg that says that our electronic voting machines can be hacked with one password that is easily broken.

[Gay Boy]

Eh, Texas is Huckabee country through and through.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Eh, Texas is Huckabee country through and through.

  Says the guy who has never been.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I drove from Austin to Houston yesterday and I saw a handful of bumper stickers all for Ron Paul. I also saw 4 large yard signs and 3 small ones along a state highway near people's farms. I didnt see one huckabee sign.

[Phoenix Dark]

Eh, Texas is Huckabee country through and through.

  Says the guy who has never been.

Uhh dude, Cheebs was born in Texas

[FlameOfCallandor]

Uhh dude, Cheebs was born in Texas

  Alright, but he doesnt know shit about current texas politics.

[Gay Boy]

And someone who claims Ron Paul will win it all understands politics I take it?

[FlameOfCallandor]

And someone who claims Ron Paul will win it all understands politics I take it?

Yup

[Gay Boy]

And someone who claims Ron Paul will win it all understands politics I take it?

Yup

Why does a poll in texas have paul in 6th place with 5% then?


Edit: And half of my family lives in texas. I go there all the time! I spent a few weeks there this summer! 

[Phoenix Dark]

What do your Texan family members think about your sinful hairstyle?

[Gay Boy]

What do your Texan family members think about your sinful hairstyle?

Everyone in my family in texas is liberal. At the family reunion this old like great-great uncle I never met who is a stereotypical southern farmer in overalls was talking about how he supports hillary to me.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Wat were his reasons for supporting hillary?

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://laist.com/2007/12/21/found_in_la_spe.php

Spears-Lohan Election Headquarters

[Phoenix Dark]

I'd for for Jamie Britney and Lindsy over Ron Paul any day of the week.

2008: Vote Gonorrhea, Not Gold

[Gay Boy]

Wat were his reasons for supporting hillary?

Health Care  was his main reason.

[FlameOfCallandor]

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Listen to the inner city caller around 3:30 mins.

[Gay Boy]

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Listen to the inner city caller around 3:30 mins.

Wrong thread.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Completly unbiased Cspan video. What? What?

[Gay Boy]

the first post says ron paul in terms of context of debates is fine, but not youtube videos you knew that sir

[Gay Boy]

Back on track...

More Huckabee bashing from Bushies:

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told reporters Friday that Mike Huckabee’s recent comments criticizing some aspects of Bush administration foreign policy were “ludicrous.”

“The idea that somehow this is a ‘go it alone’ policy is just simply ludicrous. And one would only have to be not observing the facts, let me say that, to say that this is not a ‘go it alone foreign policy,” said Rice.

In an article in the January/February issue of Foreign Affairs, released last week, the Republican presidential candidate characterized the Bush administration’s foreign policy as an “arrogant, bunker mentality.”

Many of Huckabee's GOP presidential rivals have attacked him for that description. Mitt Romney, who now trails Huckabee in the key early-voting state of Iowa, has kept up a steady stream of criticism over the Foreign Affairs piece – at a campaign event Wednesday, he again said the former Arkansas governor had made a "significant error in insulting the president."

President Bush himself declined to comment on Huckabee’s piece when asked about it during a press conference yesterday.

[FlameOfCallandor]

HuckaPwned?

[FlameOfCallandor]

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More on Mike Huckabee despicable past.

[FlameOfCallandor]

  As governor he registered at dillards and target so the public could buy him gifts.  What a turd.

[Phoenix Dark]

Dude seems rather tame when compared to the neo-conservative stupidity of Rudy/Bush, etc, and the hyper "tough guy" posturing of Romney.

This guy is separating himself from Bush by any means, which is pretty ballsy. But I'd imagine the people who support Huckabee are disappointed with Bush; Huckabee has their trust it seems, I dunno.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Dude seems rather tame when compared to the neo-conservative stupidity of Rudy/Bush, etc, and the hyper "tough guy" posturing of Romney.

Huckabee doesn't have the tough guy image but he is just a sleazy. The GOP will be officially dead (in terms of being conservative) if Rudy, Mitt or Huckabee is nominated.

[Mandark]

Huckabee's Foreign Affairs piece was probably written by Richard Haass.

I don't think he set out to challenge the rest of the GOP field on foreign policy, so much as he was a tabula rasa and Haass got to him before anyone else (I think Huckabee still doesn't have any official foreign policy advisers).  All I remember from him at the debates is a series of really vague statements about winning Iraq and fighting "Islamofascism".

[FlameOfCallandor]

Huckabee's Foreign Affairs piece was probably written by Richard Haass.

I don't think he set out to challenge the rest of the GOP field on foreign policy, so much as he was a tabula rasa and Haass got to him before anyone else (I think Huckabee still doesn't have any official foreign policy advisers).  All I remember from him at the debates is a series of really vague statements about winning Iraq and fighting "Islamofascism".

He had a boner for the word Honor.

[Phoenix Dark]

Huckabee's Foreign Affairs piece was probably written by Richard Haass.

I don't think he set out to challenge the rest of the GOP field on foreign policy, so much as he was a tabula rasa and Haass got to him before anyone else (I think Huckabee still doesn't have any official foreign policy advisers).  All I remember from him at the debates is a series of really vague statements about winning Iraq and fighting "Islamofascism".

He seems extremely unprepared on foreign policy issues during Q&A sessions and debates; him not knowing anything about the Iran NIE should have been a story much bigger than the one about Hillary not reading the entire NIE a few months ago. He seems to be running as a (possibly) more honest George Bush in 2000. Bush ended that talk before attacking Iraq when he appointed every neo-con under the sun into his cabinet; would Huck pull the same trick?

If I were held at gunpoint and forced to give a bad analogy on this, I'd say Huck reminds me more of Carter in 1975 than Bush in 1999, ie a rather average, down to earth guy who'd be over his head as president.

[Gay Boy]

Though Huckabee has a lot of sleaze in his roots, Carter was clean as a politician can get.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/21/huckabee-faces-a-rush-lim_n_77905.html

Huckabee Faces A Rush Limbaugh Barrage

Before today, radio host Rush Limbaugh has -- in his own words -- "studiously avoided" attacking presidential candidate Mike Huckabee. That silence ended today, after an anonymous Huckabee "ally" was quoted trashing Rush as a DC insider who is secretly rooting for a President Hillary Clinton.

"The Huckabee campaign is trying to dumb down conservatism in order to get it to conform with his record," Limbaugh said today, during an extended session of Huckabee-bashing.

The Huckabee camp, perhaps inadvertantly, set off the fire yesterday when Marc Ambinder published this quote from someone aligned with the campaign:

    Rush doesn't think for himself. That's not necessarily a slap because he's not paid to be a thinker--he's an entertainer. I can't remember the last time that he has veered from the talking points from the DC/Manhattan chattering class. If they were praising Huckabee, he would be too.

Ouch. If that weren't enough to peeve the king of AM radio, the quote ends:

    Bill Clinton made Rush a megastar. Having another Clinton back in power would make him the Leading Voice of the Opposition once again.

The who-said-what debate has gone back a forth a bit, with people questioning the identity of this anonymous and audacious figure. The comments have also opened the door to a barrage of criticism from Rush. National Review live-blogged most of the "discussion" of Huckabee, which you can find here and here. These quotables from Rush will give you a flavor:

    "Who is this campaign to decide who is and who is not conservative? I hadn't heard of Huckabee in any serious manner before this campaign began. Believe me, I know who the conservatives are and aren't."

    "Stop with this Clintonian spin."

    "McCain's starting to look better to than this guy, and that's saying something."

Huckabee's campaign is scrambling to catch up with Limbaugh. According to campaign manager Chip Saltsman:

    "We have nothing but respect for Rush Limbaugh and know that he's a big part of the conservative movement in this country. That's one person's opinion in DC, but it doesn't represent the view of the Huckabee campaign. I can only hope we'll get a chance to talk to Rush and make sure that he knows that's not coming from us."

With all the criticism he has been facing from other conservatives, can Mike Huckabee survive the Limbaugh onslaught? Perhaps, if only because starting Monday, Rush is in reruns until after Iowa.

[FlameOfCallandor]

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Huckabee says that opponents should commit suicide. WTF is wrong with this guy.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Wow