Author Topic: Himumumu goes to Mecca (Read 52830 times)

brawndolicious · « **Reply #180 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:39:58 AM »

I doubt he'll convert though if he doesn't believe in the other rules in islam. most people that convert know more about the religion than those that are born into it. I can only imagine this is because they are more interested in it.

TVC15 · « **Reply #181 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:42:38 AM »

Quote from: am nintenho on December 17, 2007, 03:39:58 AM

I doubt he'll convert though if he doesn't believe in the other rules in islam. most people that convert know more about the religion than those that are born into it. I can only imagine this is because they are more interested in it.

Well, I'm not wasting my words any further. Himuro has been given an opportunity here, and he is squandering it by returning to another prescriptive faith. Similar to a depressed person, he can be prescribed ever good medicine in the world, but he'll only get better if he truly wants to. Right now, I guess he feels better wasting more years of his life having his will and freedom snuffed. Here's to hoping the lad comes around.

MCD · « **Reply #182 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:44:53 AM »

Well, hajj, fast and zakat are unique, at least when compared to Himu's religion (Christianity?).

and most people follow heavenly(?) religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam i think), and at least all three believe in one god(?) which is what Himu believes in.

TVC15 · « **Reply #183 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:46:09 AM »

And, say, Bahai encompasses all of that. . .but Himu hasn't looked into that because he is not making an informed decision, he is taking the easy way all the way. Does Islam really need more easily manipulated people?

MCD · « **Reply #184 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:51:50 AM »

I don't think it's about looking into it, people are affected by what surrounds them, and right now he is surrounded by muslims and christians.

and these are the only options for him now.

besides, people are lazy, why read on all kinds of religions when you can choose the one in front of you?

TVC15 · « **Reply #185 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:54:02 AM »

Quote from: McDragon on December 17, 2007, 03:51:50 AM

besides, people are lazy, why read on all kinds of religions when you can choose the one in front of you?

Because if he really cared about this, it's his immortal soul he is talking about. If I had faith, I wouldn't take making the decision so lightly. If I had faith, I'd think, "of all the things to take shortcuts and be hasty when making my decision, I certainly don't want to do that with religion."

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #186 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:55:50 AM »

It seems to me, he hasn't also taken the time to properly understand the religion he is leaving either.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #187 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:56:07 AM »

Aslam alaikum Himuro

I've been to the local mosque a couple times, and I found everyone to be very friendly and brotherly. There is this sense of unity among the people that I rarely see in the Christian churches I've visited over the last 15 years. I'm not saying Christian churches aren't united, just that I've gotten the impression that there's definitely more "oneness" in a mosque.

TVC15 · « **Reply #188 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:57:42 AM »

And I've seen the sense of oneness at Mariners games. That has little to do with religion. You get that with any organized mob, from mosque to orchestra pit.

MCD · « **Reply #189 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:58:48 AM »

Well, i don't think he is under any pressure.

himu, this is your life and after life...etc...

do what TVC is telling ya, read up some books/wiki articles, you are young so don't be haste now.

you don't wanna regret this later.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #190 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:59:58 AM »

I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.

TVC15 · « **Reply #191 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:02:02 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 03:59:58 AM

I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.

I thought it was what you were getting at. Read your post and you'll probably realize it's not that odd of an error.

Himu · « **Reply #192 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:07:35 AM »

Quote from: Fresh Prince on December 17, 2007, 03:55:50 AM

It seems to me, he hasn't also taken the time to properly understand the religion he is leaving either.

I haven't said I was going to leave it and I said earlier that I am trying to understand it while studying up on Islam as well.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #193 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:07:53 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 17, 2007, 04:02:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 03:59:58 AM
I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.

I thought it was what you were getting at. Read your post and you'll probably realize it's not that odd of an error.

I was clearly comparing the differences between mosques and churches, not referencing secular institutions.

But enough of that, I rarely talk about religion online anymore. But Himu's case is rather interesting. I respect all religions and people of faith, but I would still ask Himu many of the same questions that have already been raised. Seems like a big transition to me, I dunno.

TVC15 · « **Reply #194 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:09:52 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 04:07:53 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 17, 2007, 04:02:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 03:59:58 AM
I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.

I thought it was what you were getting at. Read your post and you'll probably realize it's not that odd of an error.

I was clearly comparing the differences between mosques and churches, not referencing secular institutions.

And I was indicating that I really see little difference between the unity in a church, mosque, or orchestra pit. I don't see what secular or non-secular has to do with that. By my terms, writing is a form of prayer, and it's no less holy than you praying on a pew, or himu contemplating facing to the east.

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #195 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:21:53 AM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 17, 2007, 04:07:35 AM

I haven't said I was going to leave it and I said earlier that I am trying to understand it while studying up on Islam as well.

Okay I missed it then. If you want this is a Catholic perspective http://www.catholic.com/library.asp

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #196 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:25:30 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 17, 2007, 04:09:52 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 04:07:53 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on December 17, 2007, 04:02:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 03:59:58 AM
I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.

I thought it was what you were getting at. Read your post and you'll probably realize it's not that odd of an error.

I was clearly comparing the differences between mosques and churches, not referencing secular institutions.

And I was indicating that I really see little difference between the unity in a church, mosque, or orchestra pit. I don't see what secular or non-secular has to do with that. By my terms, writing is a form of prayer, and it's no less holy than you praying on a pew, or himu contemplating facing to the east.

Holiness? I'm not talking about that, or sincerity in beliefs. I'm just talking about the community aspect of the mosque. Maybe it's because there's a church on every corner in many areas of the country, I dunno; I'm merely giving my observation on the issue, based off visiting a mosque and being friends with Muslims. New people who visit places of worship are usually met with interest and charitable help, whether it's a mosque or church. Yet with Islam there seems to be more emphasis on building that unity to me, especially among the men; NoI blocks in inner city neighborhoods are a testament to that.

TVC15 · « **Reply #197 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:30:21 AM »

Eh, I'm just saying that community isn't all that important, in the be all end all sense. I think of religion as, at heart, singular, and mainly of the person. It's your soul you are bartering with, why base your decision on the quality of the communit. I may be wording this wrong, but I see that as superficial, possibly similar to, say, picking a frat based on something as arbitrary as who throws the banginest parties.

That didn't come out the way I intended. I am getting hasty. I need to go to bed.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #198 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:36:51 AM »

Organized religion vs one's personal religious battle?

We definitely agree on that, although sometimes having a caring community to help you through tough times isn't a bad thing either.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #199 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:45:49 AM »

what are all these community things you guys are orgasming over?

and you actually face to the north.

TVC15 · « **Reply #200 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:48:59 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 04:36:51 AM

Organized religion vs one's personal religious battle?

We definitely agree on that, although sometimes having a caring community to help you through tough times isn't a bad thing either.

If I need a community, it's pretty easy to find one if I need one. In the United States, I think some variation of that sentiment is true for everyone. I don't think a god is necessar to find a community to be a part of. That seems like finding an excuse to be a part of something, to me.

Quote from: am nintenho on December 17, 2007, 04:45:49 AM

what are all these community things you guys are orgasming over?

and you actually face to the north.

I thought you faced that building with the black stone in it, in Mecca, which from Florida, and most (if not all) places in the US, would be to the east, by most direct route?

MCD · « **Reply #201 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:55:12 AM »

Quote

I thought you faced that building with the black stone in it, in Mecca

The Kaaba, and you are correct.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #202 on:** December 17, 2007, 05:01:05 AM »

Am Nintenho is a woman confirmed

brawndolicious · « **Reply #203 on:** December 17, 2007, 05:01:31 AM »

^wtf?

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 17, 2007, 04:48:59 AM

I thought you faced that building with the black stone in it, in Mecca, which from Florida, and most (if not all) places in the US, would be to the east, by most direct route?

uhhh, I know on the west coast you face 19 degrees east of north (it's technically closer that way) so I assume that's the direction in most of North America. I'm not sure. I thought Himu was in texas?

Himu · « **Reply #204 on:** December 17, 2007, 11:58:45 AM »

In Houston it is NE. In Florida I will have to bring out a compass to see what direction it is, or ask a few Muslim friends at school.

Gay Boy · « **Reply #205 on:** December 17, 2007, 12:10:42 PM »

I thought most american muslims are shia?

Mupepe · « **Reply #206 on:** December 17, 2007, 12:36:38 PM »

Looks like I'm getting Himuro some C4 for Christmas (or Ramadan)

Tauntaun · « **Reply #207 on:** December 17, 2007, 12:38:01 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 12:36:38 PM

Looks like I'm getting Himuro some C4 for Christmas (or Ramadan)

Or an all expense paid trip to Guantanamo.

Himu · « **Reply #208 on:** December 17, 2007, 12:54:49 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 12:36:38 PM

Looks like I'm getting Himuro some C4 for Christmas (or Ramadan)

and i'll give you himuroids!

DID SOMEONE SAY HIMUROIDS?!!?

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #209 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:00:41 PM »

My best friend is Bahai. Seems pretty cool

Mupepe · « **Reply #210 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:01:27 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:00:41 PM

My best friend is Bahai. Seems pretty cool

has he ever tried to pull off a jihad?

demi · « **Reply #211 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:09:30 PM »

has he ever given you a Jihad JO?

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #212 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:10:30 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 17, 2007, 11:58:45 AM

In Houston it is NE. In Florida I will have to bring out a compass to see what direction it is, or ask a few Muslim friends at school.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #213 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:10:52 PM »

If we ever live on the moon or other planets how will muslims pray?

Himu · « **Reply #214 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:12:30 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:10:30 PM

Quote from: Himuro on December 17, 2007, 11:58:45 AM
In Houston it is NE. In Florida I will have to bring out a compass to see what direction it is, or ask a few Muslim friends at school.

There's nothing funny. Depending on where I am the direction could be slightly different.

Mupepe · « **Reply #215 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:14:30 PM »

Quote from: demi on December 17, 2007, 01:09:30 PM

has he ever given you a Jihad JO?

i'll fire the shot that wins the war

Himu · « **Reply #216 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:16:48 PM »

i fired the shot that started a nation

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #217 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:19:11 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 17, 2007, 01:12:30 PM

There's nothing funny. Depending on where I am the direction could be slightly different.

I think it's hilarious.

Mupepe · « **Reply #218 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:20:05 PM »

why do you think it's hilarious? it won't change Himuro's targets or how many virgins he gets

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #219 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:30:03 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:20:05 PM

why do you think it's hilarious? it won't change Himuro's targets or how many virgins he gets

He gets one less Virgin for each degree off.

Mupepe · « **Reply #220 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:35:08 PM »

in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts. And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort.

Himu · « **Reply #221 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:37:40 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:30:03 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:20:05 PM
why do you think it's hilarious? it won't change Himuro's targets or how many virgins he gets

He gets one less Virgin for each degree off.

IT MUST BE POINTING STRAIGHT TO MECCA AND THE KA'BAH OR ELSE I GET NO VIRGINS AT ALL

Dont' you see my predicament?!

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #222 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:40:37 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:35:08 PM

in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

Would you be saying this if he "found" Christianity instead of Islam?

Himu · « **Reply #223 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:41:24 PM »

Of course he would. He have been buds for almost 10 years now. Fuck off.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #224 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:42:32 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 17, 2007, 01:41:24 PM

Of course he would. He have been buds for almost 10 years now. Fuck off.

Somehow I doubt it.

Mupepe · « **Reply #225 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:45:25 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:40:37 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

Would you be saying this if he "found" Christianity instead of Islam?

Yes. I don't differentiate between religions. I really don't know what you're trying to imply about me. I have been a pretty big defender of religion in general on these forums.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #226 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:46:07 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:45:25 PM

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

Would you be saying this if he "found" Christianity instead of Islam?
Yes. I don't differentiate between religions. I really don't know what you're trying to imply about me. I have been a pretty big defender of religion in general on these forums.

Sorry, I wasnt trying to imply anything about you.

Himu · « **Reply #227 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:47:13 PM »

IMPLICATIONS

IMPLICATIONS

Mupepe · « **Reply #228 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:50:04 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:46:07 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

Would you be saying this if he "found" Christianity instead of Islam?
Yes. I don't differentiate between religions. I really don't know what you're trying to imply about me. I have been a pretty big defender of religion in general on these forums.

Sorry, I wasnt trying to imply anything about you.

it's all good. i have no issues with religion as long as it's not being forced on other people.

TVC15 · « **Reply #229 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:50:23 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:35:08 PM

in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts. And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort.

I dunno. I find sought after religion a crious concept. People that are born into religion have little choice. If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith. People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path. I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more. Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor. He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.

Himu · « **Reply #230 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:50:40 PM »

Pick a Muslim name for me

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #231 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:51:26 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 17, 2007, 01:50:40 PM

Pick a Muslim name for me

Animumu X

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #232 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:52:54 PM »

mohammed bohammed

Himu · « **Reply #233 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:53:16 PM »

Sayeed Al Himumumumumumu Animumu

Mupepe · « **Reply #234 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:57:30 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on December 17, 2007, 01:50:23 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts. And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort.

I dunno. I find sought after religion a crious concept. People that are born into religion have little choice. If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith. People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path. I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more. Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor. He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.

While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him. And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest. I don't mind that at all.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #235 on:** December 17, 2007, 01:59:48 PM »

Religion gets a bad rap on the internet.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #236 on:** December 17, 2007, 02:05:30 PM »

religion is nonsense

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #237 on:** December 17, 2007, 02:06:30 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:59:48 PM

Religion gets a bad rap on the internet.

not true
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Mupepe · « **Reply #238 on:** December 17, 2007, 02:06:42 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on December 17, 2007, 02:05:30 PM

religion is nonsense

worship my nuts.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #239 on:** December 17, 2007, 02:11:00 PM »

Person a: I believe x

Internet: Why do you believe x?

Person a: Why are you so intolerant?

News:

Author Topic: Himumumu goes to Mecca (Read 52830 times)