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« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2008, 06:13:57 AM »
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« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2008, 06:15:04 AM »

Virginia Mayo as "Nikki Dos Equis 18"

Anyway, skimming through the book, there's much less material on Mr. Arkadin than I thought (a scant 8 pages, with half of those being Bogdanovich asking questions).  It looks like Orson Welles didn't really want to talk about the movie - he mentions that it was a "super movie story" and that he would love to make it again, and make it the right way, but he doesn't even know who holds the rights to it.  As I said before, it was based on an idea he'd had for the Harry Lime radio show, but which he decided to save for a motion picture.  The original movie was told in a series of flashbacks, but he claims he's blocked out how he'd planned to do it since he has such bad memories of what happened with the movie.  Apparently he took too long in the editing room and missed a deadline, putting the film in the hands of the distributors, who sent their own editor in to finish it, and he proceeded to remove the whole structure the movie was based on.  He also cut out a lot of the "sentimental" scenes Welles had filmed of Arkadin, which made the character more sympathetic.

Welles claims Arkadin is very different from Harry Lime since Arkadin is Russian, which gives him a wicked sentimental streak and a gregariousness which the much colder, calculating Harry Lime lacks.  The idea being that he's basically erasing his past so as not to embarass himself in front of his daughter.  Welles says Arkadin is a very sympathetic character, while Van Statten is supposed to be seen as odious and shallow.
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« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2008, 06:38:09 AM »
Haha you got Mickey Rooney.  That guy's a dick.

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« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2008, 06:47:43 AM »
Haha you got Mickey Rooney.  That guy's a dick.

Mickey Rooney was creepy in Night at the Museum.

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« Reply #64 on: January 28, 2008, 06:54:11 AM »
Haha you got Mickey Rooney.  That guy's a dick.

But he had sex with Marilyn Monroe.
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« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2008, 06:55:37 AM »
Haha you got Mickey Rooney.  That guy's a dick.

But he had sex with Marilyn Monroe.


What a dick

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« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2008, 07:12:17 AM »
John Holmes as Mupepe
wasn't he a murderer though?

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« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2008, 07:17:09 AM »
That somehow makes the casting even more accurate.

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« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2008, 08:23:25 AM »
interesting thread

i'm kind of surprised that TVC would choose an american instead of someone continental

and i found out today that there's a Joseph Ratzinger fan club

http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/news.html
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« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2008, 10:24:36 AM »


Sideshow Bob as Abrader?


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« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2008, 12:47:44 PM »
Doris Day movies are awesome, well they were. I used to watch them as a kid. Too bad I got changed. :(
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« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2008, 01:04:59 PM »
never heard of my guy.

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« Reply #72 on: January 28, 2008, 03:21:41 PM »
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fuck you, Anthony Perkins was made to play me.
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« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2008, 03:23:44 PM »
ever see The Matchmaker?
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« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2008, 03:25:34 PM »
He would totally hafta flatten and curl his hair to play you, but yeah.
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« Reply #75 on: January 28, 2008, 03:31:53 PM »
Anyway, skimming through the book, there's much less material on Mr. Arkadin than I thought (a scant 8 pages, with half of those being Bogdanovich asking questions).  It looks like Orson Welles didn't really want to talk about the movie - he mentions that it was a "super movie story" and that he would love to make it again, and make it the right way, but he doesn't even know who holds the rights to it.  As I said before, it was based on an idea he'd had for the Harry Lime radio show, but which he decided to save for a motion picture.  The original movie was told in a series of flashbacks, but he claims he's blocked out how he'd planned to do it since he has such bad memories of what happened with the movie.  Apparently he took too long in the editing room and missed a deadline, putting the film in the hands of the distributors, who sent their own editor in to finish it, and he proceeded to remove the whole structure the movie was based on.  He also cut out a lot of the "sentimental" scenes Welles had filmed of Arkadin, which made the character more sympathetic.

Welles claims Arkadin is very different from Harry Lime since Arkadin is Russian, which gives him a wicked sentimental streak and a gregariousness which the much colder, calculating Harry Lime lacks.  The idea being that he's basically erasing his past so as not to embarass himself in front of his daughter.  Welles says Arkadin is a very sympathetic character, while Van Statten is supposed to be seen as odious and shallow.

Yes, when he says "super movie story," you get that from watching the finished cut.  It's intentional evoking a sort of dream state, and the narrative has some framing with it, some of it pretty complex for movies of the time.  Nobody really knows what Orson had in mind for the final product, so all we are left with is an educated guess using incomplete footage.  Nobody really knows what he had in mind.

interesting thread

i'm kind of surprised that TVC would choose an american instead of someone continental

and i found out today that there's a Joseph Ratzinger fan club

http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/news.html

Orson?  I dunno.  I barely consider him American.  Even as an American, it's pretty clear that the things he valued in films didn't really jive with what Americans wanted.
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« Reply #76 on: January 28, 2008, 03:34:46 PM »
He would totally hafta flatten and curl his hair to play you, but yeah.

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« Reply #77 on: January 28, 2008, 03:37:11 PM »
You didn't Vic Mackey it up, did you?
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« Reply #78 on: January 28, 2008, 05:28:43 PM »
never heard of my guy.

And you're supposed to be studying film.  That's pretty sad.
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« Reply #79 on: January 28, 2008, 09:56:42 PM »
Shane, The Killing, The Big Sleep, The Maltese Falcon - he had sizeable roles in all of those movies.
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« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2008, 03:48:14 AM »
Virginia Mayo is hot, Ichi. :D
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« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2008, 03:51:55 AM »
You should see her as James Cagney's two-timing gal in White Heat.  OMG she is so sexy in that movie.
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