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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2006, 02:04:35 PM »
PS Willco, why ARE you a Republican, anyway?

I feel I can do more good voting with the elphants than with the donkeys.  They're a bad party.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2006, 02:07:02 PM »
PS Willco, why ARE you a Republican, anyway?

I feel I can do more good voting with the elphants than with the donkeys.  They're a bad party.

Join me, Willco.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2006, 02:08:14 PM »

They're open to the public, but they're still private property.  They should set their own rules concerning smoking.

Like I said, if there were demand for non-smoking bars, they'd exist. 

Also, The private club/restricted membership thing isn't true in all areas where such laws are instituted.  I just told you that such clubs are grandfathered in here.
People are not free to do whatever they want on their private property, especially when these "freedoms" of the property owner effect others and do not just effect the property owners themselves.

Of course bars have a financial interest not to ban a large number of their patrons. And most non-smokers are used to the smoke, hell I even like it a little and won’t leave a bar just because it has smoking inside of it. However there are health concerns that are far more important then the business concerns of a few.

White Man I was saying that the clubs should be allowed to do what they wish, I know they can't. So I think the laws should be altered. 

edit: I'm, off to class. Someone take up my cause.

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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2006, 02:09:35 PM »
Join me, Willco.

Where are we going?
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2006, 02:12:08 PM »

They're open to the public, but they're still private property.  They should set their own rules concerning smoking.

Like I said, if there were demand for non-smoking bars, they'd exist. 

Also, The private club/restricted membership thing isn't true in all areas where such laws are instituted.  I just told you that such clubs are grandfathered in here.
People are not free to do whatever they want on their private property, especially when these "freedoms" of the property owner effect others and do not just effect the property owners themselves.

That's a tragedy.

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Of course bars have a financial interest not to ban a large number of their patrons. And most non-smokers are used to the smoke, hell I even like it a little and won’t leave a bar just because it has smoking inside of it. However there are health concerns that are far more important then the business concerns of a few.

Well, the people that smoke, the non-smokers that choose to go in the locations, and the owners of the locations all know about the health risks.  It's not like smoking being unhealthy is some big secret.  People can make up their own minds about such things, they don't need the government to force establishments to do one thing or the other.

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White Man I was saying that the clubs should be allowed to do what they wish, I know they can't. So I think the laws should be altered. 

The laws shouldn't exist!
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2006, 02:12:21 PM »
Nobody should take up your cause, you evil banshee.

First, it's cigarettes.  Then trans fats.  Then red meat.  Then television.  Then art.  I've seen this fucking movie before and I always hate the ending.
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« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2006, 02:13:31 PM »
Join me, Willco.

Where are we going?

To a magical land where you can do whatever you want.  I call it Libertaria.
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« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2006, 02:18:56 PM »
I'm scared to be a Libertarian - Drinky mocks me.
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« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2006, 02:19:02 PM »
no, come to Chomskia, where ther majority gets together and shoots the minority with our legal rocket launchers!
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2006, 02:20:02 PM »
Drinky got an Ayn Rand haircut.  It makes him look younger and more masculine.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2006, 02:20:55 PM »
I'm an absolute and total civil libertarian. i'm not an economic libertarian in the slightest -- i have no problem paying taxes in theory as long as they are used to provide a strong support infrastructure; plus i think corporations, wealthy folks, and businesses should be taxed to fuck and back.

I'm definitely not a big L "Libertarian" because that's a fucked up cult.
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« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2006, 02:22:34 PM »
I'm definitely not a big L "Libertarian" because that's a fucked up cult.

Whatever, if I want to eat roast beef made from babies, and the market will accomodate me, I should be allowed to.
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« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2006, 02:23:26 PM »
I don't know where I belong anymore!  I'm so confused!  I wonder what this is what it felt like to be TVC in the boy's locker room in high school.
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« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2006, 02:23:48 PM »
Republicans got ToxicAdam and APF, and those two are dreamy.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2006, 02:23:52 PM »
i got no problem with that -- especially if the baby meat market gets taxed to pay teachers better -- but that isn't Libertarianism.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2006, 02:25:11 PM »
I like Toxic and APF better in their non-GAF incarnations, but they're hardly your standard Bible Belt Republican, either. They're just Democrat-haters, much like I'm not a Sony or MS fanboy, but rather an anti-Nintendo fanboy.

Although anyone who gives a shit about terrorism is a total fag0t. Terrorism is and always will be. You'll never get the luxury of 100% security, and I'm tired of my freedoms getting crapped on and the endless racism is spawns. Quit shitting your pants like a little kid and get on with more important issues.
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« Reply #76 on: November 01, 2006, 02:25:16 PM »
Republicans got ToxicAdam and APF, and those two are dreamy.

I like both of them a lot.  They get treated really unfairly at the other place.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #77 on: November 01, 2006, 02:27:47 PM »
Oh, so now someone finally admits the political slant of their beloved forum.
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« Reply #78 on: November 01, 2006, 02:29:24 PM »
Oh, so now someone finally admits the political slant of their beloved forum.

I don't think it could be denied.  They take a lot of slack while people like Incognito get off easy.  That's really lame.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #79 on: November 01, 2006, 02:29:45 PM »
their knee-jerk defense of neocon policy, torture, and the fuckin iraq war overall deserved public excoriation, although it certainly didn't deserve censure

then again i luve luv LUV a good fight
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #80 on: November 01, 2006, 02:36:26 PM »
You know, I think a very high percent of the population would go for moderate gun control reform (limiting assault weapons, closing the gun show loophole, actually enforcing current laws), but it's become a values debate instead of a policy wonk issue.  The Brady people push for a maximum ban, which scares gun-owners who flock to the NRA, which is basically an industry group.


Also, Willco's a good example of someone who doesn't actually agree with the major planks of the Republican party (hating gay people, hating black people, hating sluts), but is really put off by the seat belts/trans fats/smoking stuff.

The sanctimonious bureaucrat type from (the wildly underrated) King of the Hill is probably as much a reason people vote Republican as anything.

The NeoGAF Republicans aren't any better than, say, Triumph.  It's unfair that he doesn't get crap, but it's not unfair that they do.

The Fake Shemp

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« Reply #81 on: November 01, 2006, 02:36:46 PM »
I don't think either one has presented knee-jerk party line reactions in an attempt to defend "dear leader".  I applaud both of them for basically voicing the other side of the argument, and never discounting that the party might be incorrect (both have stated instances where this is the case), against the continual shouting of Crooks and Liars talking points and Diablos the Rally Monkey.

It isn't like they're making guest appearances on GAFCRITIC or something.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #82 on: November 01, 2006, 02:37:01 PM »
There is one thing I hate more than Republicans and that is Libertarians. Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who are too scared to admit they are Republican.

Greens are odd and they scare me.

Democrats are wonderful at disappointing me.

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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #83 on: November 01, 2006, 02:39:53 PM »
There is one thing I hate more than Republicans and that is Libertarians. Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who are too scared to admit they are Republican.

How am I anything even resembling a Republican?
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #84 on: November 01, 2006, 02:41:04 PM »
WHY MUST WE LABEL ONE ANOTHER.

CAN'T WE ALL JUST BE AMERICANS?
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #85 on: November 01, 2006, 02:44:34 PM »
No! I don't want to be bundled in with dumbass Democrats and evil, vile Republicans.
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« Reply #86 on: November 01, 2006, 02:47:33 PM »
There is one thing I hate more than Republicans and that is Libertarians. Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who are too scared to admit they are Republican.

How am I anything even resembling a Republican?
I didn't say you.  :lol I said Libertarians, most(not all) are wannabe Republicans.

Libertarians views on taxes, state rights, and guns sounds very Republican to me.

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« Reply #87 on: November 01, 2006, 02:55:36 PM »
There is one thing I hate more than Republicans and that is Libertarians. Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who are too scared to admit they are Republican.

How am I anything even resembling a Republican?
I didn't say you.  :lol I said Libertarians, most(not all) are wannabe Republicans.

Libertarians views on taxes, state rights, and guns sounds very Republican to me.

I don't think Libertarians and Republicans have the same views on taxes as much as it is that they both agree it's ridiculous that so much tax money goes into various social programs.  I'm not sure there is a standard Libertarian opinion on state vs federal rights.  The gun control thing is because Libertarians are against restrictions placed on freedoms.  Republicans are anti-gun control because the NRA lobbies them with fat sacks of stacked cash.

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« Reply #88 on: November 01, 2006, 02:58:18 PM »
I'm not necessarily against taxes, but the way the Democrats setup taxes and programs - it's a waste.  Look at California.  I dump more money in sales tax and state tax and - fuck! - we even get taxed for dining out.  What do I see for it?  Mountains of state debt, shitty social services and a state run by unions and corporate interests.  For the world's fifth biggest economy, you couldn't tell it.  What a fucking waste.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #89 on: November 01, 2006, 03:42:23 PM »
Interesting conversation.

Being a republican is kind of wierd now. The party I believed in when I was a teenager isn't the party that is holding the office today. Your old defense mechanisms kick in when you see a "Republican" getting attacked ... but really, that type of partisan defense mode seems silly to me now.

I love GAF, because it has a variety of liberals that act (and react) in the same manner as the Conservatives they hate. The hypocrisy is delicious and I can't get enough of it.

You only need to look at the recent thread on Kerry's vocal misstep and see all the liberals jump into action with links (OMG I HAVE LINKS!) and the common cries of "Bu bu bu Bush ..."

After months of getting chastised for pulling the "Clinton Card" ... its going to be awesome to see the very same people pulling the "Bush card" in a few years.


But that's the downfall of people who have such righteous beliefs. What they accuse their "enemies" of doing .. is the very thing they will be doing down the line but instead, they will have justification for it. It's sad.


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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #90 on: November 01, 2006, 05:10:22 PM »
I'm definitely not a big L "Libertarian" because that's a fucked up cult.

Whatever, if I want to eat roast beef made from babies, and the market will accomodate me, I should be allowed to.

Awesome, fatten up TVC, I'm going to eat libertarians.

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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #91 on: November 01, 2006, 05:13:14 PM »
I think they're all pretty awful in some respects.  I hate them all pretty much equally.  Even though Republicans have been pretty high on the stupidity ladder lately.

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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #92 on: November 01, 2006, 05:48:01 PM »
rather, Republicans are Libertarians that secretly hate liberty.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #93 on: November 01, 2006, 06:02:55 PM »
Greens and the whole lot of similar lefties are idealistic and self-righteous, which is an obnoxious combination in a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.  Republicans are usually religious--which means they'll ultimately think I should go to Hell, so fuck 'em; I usually can't identify.  Libertarians you can have a drink with, but they're just as big Kool-aid drinkers as the Greens, and therefore just as creepy.  Democrats are jackasses right now, but this too shall pass.  Most of my friends are either far-left or moderate-libertarian.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #94 on: November 01, 2006, 06:15:41 PM »
Cheebs, yeah and socialists are just like Democrats.
Obviously not and there are also many differences between Republicans and libertarians and the differences are not trivial, especially when it comes to social issues. Hell after the last six years you could add fiscal issues.

Mandark do you make any posts where you don't race-bait?

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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #95 on: November 01, 2006, 06:16:51 PM »
do you ever post a political topic that doesn't implicitly reference The Bell Curve, malek
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #96 on: November 01, 2006, 06:17:56 PM »
do you ever post a political topic that doesn't implicitly reference The Bell Curve, malek

Yes, occasionally I'm explicit.
Are you on the Mandark defense team now?

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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #97 on: November 01, 2006, 06:19:59 PM »
me and mandark are tight :-*

at least until he starts dissing maximo :punch
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« Reply #98 on: November 01, 2006, 06:20:41 PM »
me and mandark are tight :-*

at least until he starts dissing maximo :punch
That game hasn't aged well.

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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #99 on: November 01, 2006, 06:20:55 PM »
Drinky:

Mandark is the Sam to your FRODO AM I RITE LOL
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2006, 06:21:37 PM »
he may not be able to carry my burden, but he can carry me :-*
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« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2006, 06:23:50 PM »
He's the Trotsky to your Lenin.

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« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2006, 06:24:52 PM »
oh, sir, you flatter me!
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2006, 06:25:55 PM »
oh, sir, you flatter me!
I wasn't trying to.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #104 on: November 01, 2006, 06:27:14 PM »
Go to Cozumel, Mexico - it's fantastic.
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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #105 on: November 01, 2006, 08:13:06 PM »
hay guys how about them kerry jokes?

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Re: Worst people: Democrats, Republicans, Greenies or Libertarians?
« Reply #106 on: November 01, 2006, 09:07:53 PM »
Libertarians > Democrats > Republicans> Greenies >  Communists

Greens will never get be a true force to be reckoned with it but generally they're annoying as fuck.
Ditto for communists. Democrats and Republicans are practically the same (moderates) anyway ie they will always go for the public opinion or corporate money for the final decision.

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