Author Topic: RIAA dirty tricks squad hits new low (Read 3408 times)

Howard Alan Treesong · « **on:** April 05, 2008, 01:46:18 AM »

I went to download some songs by an artist I haven't heard anything from before, Bob Dylan, a.k.a. "the Voice of a Generation." But the RIAA has flooded the trackers so that anyone who tries to download a Dylan song instead gets some whiny, nasal, repetitive and banal nonsense by an atonal beatnik.

RIAA

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #1 on:** April 05, 2008, 01:47:46 AM »

please I'd like to suck on the "R" in the acronym it's such a pleasing shape

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #2 on:** April 05, 2008, 01:48:08 AM »

That sounds like...

...oh i see what you did there

I agree.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #3 on:** April 05, 2008, 01:48:17 AM »

But things really and I mean REALLY did NOT work out as planned.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #4 on:** April 05, 2008, 01:56:52 AM »

I prefer this to lawsuits and DRM.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #5 on:** April 05, 2008, 03:31:20 AM »

"What You Did There" is a good movie. I went and saw it with some friends.

Robo · « **Reply #6 on:** April 05, 2008, 03:53:25 AM »

SHIT/BIN

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2008, 04:46:19 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on April 05, 2008, 01:49:22 AM

Surely it has to be illegal to not like ANYTHING by Dylan?

Dylan was a great songwriter but a terrible singer.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #8 on:** April 05, 2008, 01:39:42 PM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 05, 2008, 03:31:20 AM

"What You Did There" is a good movie. I went and saw it with some friends.

Bob Dylan is not for everyone. Being very high is advised.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #9 on:** April 05, 2008, 10:06:24 PM »

Leonard Cohen vs. Bob Dylan

Leonard Cohen ftw

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #10 on:** April 05, 2008, 10:16:50 PM »

A member of evilbore's clique with bad musical taste? Who would have thought!

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #11 on:** April 06, 2008, 12:53:25 AM »

I see what you're trying to do.

...you can fuck off.

TVC15 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2008, 12:59:00 AM »

Cohen > Dylan definitely.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #13 on:** April 06, 2008, 01:07:06 AM »

Dylan is a good songwriter, but his singing is practically unlistenable

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #14 on:** April 06, 2008, 01:21:56 AM »

Which era Dylan are you listening to?

And I'm not huge into Cohen, what should with I start with fegs

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #15 on:** April 06, 2008, 01:33:02 AM »

Ballad of a Thin Man

Hurricane

Mr. Tambourine Man

Thunder of the Mountain

That's all the Dylan anyone needs on their iPod

TVC15 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 06, 2008, 01:39:00 AM »

With Cohen I'd say start with his first four albums (Songs of Leonard Cohen, Songs from a Room, Songs of Love and Hate, New Skin for Old Ceremony) and then check out his revival stuff in the 80s (like I'm Your Man, Various Positions, The Future).

An important thing to remember about Cohen is that he's a poet by trade, so venturing into music was more of a way to expose his poetry to a world that really was no longer interested in poetry; it was an adoption of a form with rough congruence to his own trade.

His later stuff is somewhat easier to get into (he adopted synthesizers and the like--adopting the form of pop music meant that he had to at least pay lip service in keeping up with the times), but I've found that his later music is more appreciated if you know where he came from earlier.

Oh his album with Phil Spector is pretty interesting, if not very representative of the rest of Cohen's output.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #17 on:** April 06, 2008, 01:42:19 AM »

Alright thanks guy, I'll start with those first couple.

PeeDee, none of those four songs are even his best on their respective albums.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #18 on:** April 06, 2008, 01:45:19 AM »

Dylan is the most overrated musical artist in the history of recorded sound. I'm sorry Brand New, but he can't sing, he's not particularly talented with any instruments, his albums are not impressive on any level outside of song writing, and nearly every single cover of his music is better than the original.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2008, 02:03:10 AM »

He CAN sing, but you choose not to appreciate his unique sound. Listen to some Nashville Skyline or Blood on the Tracks to hear him sing well. Not particularly talented with instruments? Have you even LISTENED to him play? Don't Think Twice? Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat? You've already recognized his piano skills with Ballad of a Thin Man. HIS ALBUMS AREN'T IMPRESSIVE OUTSIDE OF SONGWRITING? Do you not understand the significance Highway 61, Blodne on Blonde, Blood on the Tracks HAD?

I'ma just have to ask you to stay with the shitty rap you listen to stfu with shit you don't even know what you're talking about. Overrated my fuckbunch.

Covers of his songs better than his

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2008, 02:06:20 AM »

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Bob Dylan layed the foundation. Based on his shitty catelog his now iconic followers (Stones, Jimi, etc) had nowhere but up to go

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2008, 02:20:43 AM »

The Stones wish they could reach Dylan's heights. They were good and all, but there were far better bands that emerged from the British Invasion. If you seriously think the Stones' version of Like a Rolling Stone is better...well then, I think that just settles this argument right there.

Jimi was a guitar player though and through. He couldn't really write a full song, he could only take a standard blues song and fuck it to awesome levels with his distortion and acidy blues riffs. He's awesome, but in a totally different way. Yeah, All Along the Watchtower is better for him than Dylan. Dylan's even admitted that himself.

In terms of other covers that are good, try some of Cat Power's. Paths of Victory and Memphis Blues Again are pretty good. Both of Dylan's are better, but she puts a cool spin on them.

It's disappointing to know that there are actually people out there who deny is talent, but whatever. At least you like a few songs of his, which is all I ask of anyone.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #22 on:** April 06, 2008, 02:22:16 AM »

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Oh his album with Phil Spector is pretty interesting

i've spent entire days doing nothing but listening to "Paper-Thin Hotel" and "Memories" on repeat.

TVC15 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2008, 02:39:01 AM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on April 06, 2008, 02:22:16 AM

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Oh his album with Phil Spector is pretty interesting

i've spent entire days doing nothing but listening to "Paper-Thin Hotel" and "Memories" on repeat.

I don't get why people are apparently split on the album. I guess it was kinda like when Dylan went electric, and the shallow dumbasses wrote him off.

huckleberry · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2008, 08:27:05 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2008, 01:33:02 AM

Ballad of a Thin Man
Hurricane
Mr. Tambourine Man
Thunder of the Mountain

That's all the Dylan anyone needs on their iPod

You absolutely have to add Masters of War to that list.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #25 on:** April 06, 2008, 09:06:45 AM »

And just about everything else starting from Freewheelin' an ending at Blonde on the Blonde, at the very least.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #26 on:** April 06, 2008, 03:48:38 PM »

I know that Dion is culturally bankrupt, but I'd rather listen to her new album than Dylan.

Mupepe · « **Reply #27 on:** April 06, 2008, 03:54:48 PM »

Patel, wanna listen together?

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #28 on:** April 06, 2008, 04:20:14 PM »

Quote from: dcharlie on April 06, 2008, 08:11:45 AM

I'm not even a massive Dylan fan, but if we are judging peoples merit on their actual singing ability, then you might as well just start getting your music tips from fucking Pop Idol.

smfh.

They're two different skills. A well written song doesn't sound good with a terrible singer and the opposite is true as well.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #29 on:** April 06, 2008, 04:48:55 PM »

I don't necessarily agree with that.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #30 on:** April 06, 2008, 04:49:48 PM »

you don't think that a terrible singer sings terribly? what's not to agree with.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #31 on:** April 06, 2008, 04:53:02 PM »

No, I'm saying that a well-written song doesn't sound bad if its sung by whay you people call a terrible singer.

Cause he's not even that bad. But this is Evilbore, you people have fucked tastes to begin with.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #32 on:** April 06, 2008, 06:13:50 PM »

Range isn't everything. I'd rather listen to Bob Dylan sing than Clay Akins.

Robo · « **Reply #33 on:** April 06, 2008, 08:42:45 PM »

Dylan on singing:

"I'm as good a singer as Caruso. Have you ever heard me sing? ...I happen to be just as good as him. A good singer. You have to listen closely, but I hit all those notes. And I can hold my breath three times as long if I want to."

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #34 on:** April 06, 2008, 09:04:20 PM »

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I don't get why people are apparently split on the album.

production trainwrecks are an acquired taste? still don't think I'd like Caligula, though.

TVC15 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 06, 2008, 09:30:11 PM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on April 06, 2008, 09:04:20 PM

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I don't get why people are apparently split on the album.

production trainwrecks are an acquired taste? still don't think I'd like Caligula, though.

I really don't think it's a production trainwreck. It's just about what I'd expect a late 70s Phil Spector album to sound like, production-wise.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #36 on:** April 07, 2008, 02:47:41 PM »

I'm not sure what if any other late-70s Phil Spector records I've heard. Do they all feature vocals that sound like they're bleeding in from another room?

TVC15 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 07, 2008, 03:01:21 PM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on April 07, 2008, 02:47:41 PM

I'm not sure what if any other late-70s Phil Spector records I've heard. Do they all feature vocals that sound like they're bleeding in from another room?

Well, that has to do with Phil Spector not letting Leonard redo vocals. I don't think the vocals are that terrible--definitely the worst in the Cohen library--but I do like the sound of the music.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #38 on:** April 07, 2008, 03:46:01 PM »

anyone willing to say cohen>dylan?

Laramie · « **Reply #39 on:** April 07, 2008, 03:47:44 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2008, 03:46:01 PM

anyone willing to say cohen>dylan?

I'd say so, though I'm not the most familiar with either of their catalogs. From what I've heard I think Cohen's better.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #40 on:** April 07, 2008, 03:49:11 PM »

Are you the real Laramie, the one who got permabanned by Dragona?

If so welcome

TVC15 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 07, 2008, 03:49:21 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2008, 03:46:01 PM

anyone willing to say cohen>dylan?

I already did.

Laramie · « **Reply #42 on:** April 07, 2008, 03:53:57 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2008, 03:49:11 PM

Are you the real Laramie, the one who got permabanned by Dragona?

If so welcome

I'm the real deal.

Robo · « **Reply #43 on:** April 07, 2008, 04:01:18 PM »

Cohen's songwriting is only passable on the strength of his lyricism, which is undeniably greater than Dylan's. Cohen's later synth stuff feels a bit dated these days, in my opinion, although it does wonders in seperating him from the rest of the singer/songwriter poet crowd. I think I like Death of a Ladies Man better than anything he recorded in the 80's and beyond.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #44 on:** April 07, 2008, 04:33:37 PM »

I'm just NOW getting into Cohen, and he's undeniably great, yeah. I have to get some of the albums TVC mentioned, but I'd wager that I'm already at the point where nothing in modern music history can top Dylan's career from 1964-66. Four of some of the best albums ever. Blodne on Blonde.

I'm excited to get into Cohen more though.

TVC15 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 07, 2008, 04:45:51 PM »

Quote from: RoboJ on April 07, 2008, 04:01:18 PM

Cohen's songwriting is only passable on the strength of his lyricism, which is undeniably greater than Dylan's. Cohen's later synth stuff feels a bit dated these days, in my opinion, although it does wonders in seperating him from the rest of the singer/songwriter poet crowd. I think I like Death of a Ladies Man better than anything he recorded in the 80's and beyond.

I like the synths. I like the Moroder-y synths on First We Take Manhattan most, and those are arguably the most dated.

Honestly, I'm not sure dated is the right word for songs that use old synthesizers. Yes, they are dated in that they are using equipment that is old to us, but old synths have a style all of their own. I'd accept calling them "dated" if the term didn't have a negative connotation.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #46 on:** April 09, 2008, 12:19:15 AM »

Bump for Dylan's deserving Pulitzer Prize.

And here, to make some of you happy:

Dylan>all from the 60s-70s

Tom Waits>Dylan from the 80s on.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #47 on:** April 09, 2008, 12:54:51 AM »

TOM FUCKING WAITS?!

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #48 on:** April 09, 2008, 01:02:45 AM »

What's wrong with Tom Waits? His material from around '85 to Orphans is pretty fucking awesome.

See, you're just weird man.

TVC15 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 09, 2008, 01:09:45 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on April 09, 2008, 01:02:45 AM

What's wrong with Tom Waits? His material from around '85 to Orphans is pretty fucking awesome.

See, you're just weird man.

85? You're missing Swordfishtrombones, which some people think is his best. Heartattack and Vine is also pretty fuckin' awesome. He has a lot of awesome material in the 70s, too, but you'll be better off sticking to greatest hits collections there.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #50 on:** April 09, 2008, 01:13:58 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on April 09, 2008, 01:09:45 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on April 09, 2008, 01:02:45 AM
What's wrong with Tom Waits? His material from around '85 to Orphans is pretty fucking awesome.

See, you're just weird man.

85? You're missing Swordfishtrombones, which some people think is his best. Heartattack and Vine is also pretty fuckin' awesome. He has a lot of awesome material in the 70s, too, but you'll be better off sticking to greatest hits collections there.

I thought Swordfishtrombones was '85?

Oh shit, you're right, it came out like two years before that. My mistake. I was including that album in what I said.

TVC15 · « **Reply #51 on:** April 09, 2008, 02:43:35 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on April 09, 2008, 01:13:58 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on April 09, 2008, 01:09:45 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 09, 2008, 01:02:45 AM
What's wrong with Tom Waits? His material from around '85 to Orphans is pretty fucking awesome.

See, you're just weird man.

85? You're missing Swordfishtrombones, which some people think is his best. Heartattack and Vine is also pretty fuckin' awesome. He has a lot of awesome material in the 70s, too, but you'll be better off sticking to greatest hits collections there.

I thought Swordfishtrombones was '85?

Oh shit, you're right, it came out like two years before that. My mistake. I was including that album in what I said.

Check out Heartattack and Vine if you haven't. That's all good, if a bit bar band-y.

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Author Topic: RIAA dirty tricks squad hits new low (Read 3408 times)