The official Grand Theft Auto 4 GAMEPLAY thread.

[MCD]

real world or not, it's NO FUN.

also this ain't a driving or real life simulator.

[Raban]

I really hope Rockstar fixes the broken-ass driving in a patch or something.

[BlueTsunami]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11037610&postcount=113

 

Real world physics?  GTA4?  I guess it all depends on what world we're talking about.

What an insult to Forza and GT5, I mean, when I drive this hyperrealistic Viper the car tends to fly 20 FEET IN THE AIR WHEN I HIT THE CURB

[Raban]

McDragon, I tried turning off UPnP but still no dice. I was connected for maybe two seconds before getting kicked. My internet has no traffic or anything. Live won't even sign into messenger.

[duckman2000]

Unsurprisingly, Pimpbaa agrees with that post, and thinks that the driving is "quite awesome".

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

real world or not, it's NO FUN.

also this ain't a driving or real life simulator.

It's interesting, I'll give it that, but driving in GTA has always seemed floaty as hell and GTA4 is no exception.  It's like driving on the moon.  I just wish they'd give the cars more weight or release some sort of cheat that'd give us that option.

[duckman2000]

You control the horse car road, not the character car.


That's basically what this shit amounts to.

[AdmiralViscen]

"I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle" 

I think it's important to note that both the original Xbox and PSP iterations of GTA have handled custom soundtracks better than the Xbox 360 version. Who's to blame? I suspect it's one of the programmers responsible for the Xbox 360 firmware, or perhaps even the Microsoft certification process itself. Although, I suppose a terribly executed custom soundtrack is still better than no custom soundtrack at all.

360's auto-custom soundtrack made all devs lazy. I think some games still go the extra mile, XBox-style though. It's not impossible.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11037610&postcount=113

 

Real world physics?  GTA4?  I guess it all depends on what world we're talking about.

WTF - the PS2 GTAs has Driver-style controls, not this one. I was just playing Driver on PSP a few weeks ago.

GTA4 controls are nowhere near 'realistic.'

[MCD]

McDragon, I tried turning off UPnP but still no dice. I was connected for maybe two seconds before getting kicked. My internet has no traffic or anything. Live won't even sign into messenger.

well, other stuff that might help:

http://i25.tinypic.com/90ylhk.jpg ---> set DHCP's lease time to forever (if you are using automatic IP settings)

http://i25.tinypic.com/5yudqr.jpg --> set MTU to 1492 as shown in the pic.

I'm using a belkin router, i know it's not the same but you get the idea, make sure to reboot router/360 when done.

[Eel O'Brian]

what makes the driving even more terrible/frustrating is the fact that your enemies never seem to have to obey the same "realistic" physics laws you do

[GilloD]

I wish I could have a radio station that was just JAILBREAK and FLASHING LIGHTS over and over. THIN LIZZY.

[GilloD]

what makes the driving even more terrible/frustrating is the fact that your enemies never seem to have to obey the same "realistic" physics laws you do

Didyou do "No. 1"? It's like someone coated the roads with soap, not even the computer can keep up

[Eel O'Brian]

no, i didn't

i quit playing after trying the motorcycle gang chase/shootout mission 3 times, and realizing i just wasted thirty minutes of my life repeating something in a game i wasn't enjoying to begin with

i wish someone would hurry up and give me that $50 on ebay


also, as far as radio stations and side missions go, it's pretty obvious why the pickings are a little slim

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

The handbrake is now the button of doom.  Press it for an instant crash.

[AdmiralViscen]

That's not even the worst bike mission. There's one where you actually have to shoot the guy instead of just following him.

[pilonv1]

The mission that broke my patience almost for good last night was the one for Elizabeth where you have take some dude 15 minutes across the map and you get sprung by some undercover cops at a drug bust. Failed the mission first go and had to drive across again.

Why even have a mission restart?

The one where you snipe guys in a worksite off the top of a building and then run in to kill the union leaders is the same. Making you re-drive everywhere is fucking stupid and infuriates me.

[demi]

run in a group of people, cook a grenade... while holding it... KABOOM

lulz to be had

[GilloD]

i was, to my utter shock, really enjoying GTA4.

and then i hit the bullshit bike chase mission.

I quit out, and despite autosave on and a few save points - i seem to have lost the 2 hours i put into the game last night.

fucking WIZARD! :/

I'm still pretty happy with the game to be honest, but damn - the bike mission is awful.
And perhaps some hint that unloading my uzi into the first getaway guy isn't going to work would be nice.

You need to manually Load any game that wasn't saved at a Safehouse

[demi]

500/1000 so far

[GilloD]

no, i didn't

i quit playing after trying the motorcycle gang chase/shootout mission 3 times, and realizing i just wasted thirty minutes of my life repeating something in a game i wasn't enjoying to begin with

i wish someone would hurry up and give me that $50 on ebay


also, as far as radio stations and side missions go, it's pretty obvious why the pickings are a little slim

I mean. If you did it once, then you know that they'll bail the bikes in the park. Get out, use the trees as cover and take them out. It's not that hard. Same for the Union level and the bust level. Use the cover system

[demi]

I'm gonna hold onto this and see what their $50 million DLC comes up with, but I expect to be disappointed

[Eel O'Brian]

no, i didn't

i quit playing after trying the motorcycle gang chase/shootout mission 3 times, and realizing i just wasted thirty minutes of my life repeating something in a game i wasn't enjoying to begin with

i wish someone would hurry up and give me that $50 on ebay


also, as far as radio stations and side missions go, it's pretty obvious why the pickings are a little slim

I mean. If you did it once, then you know that they'll bail the bikes in the park. Get out, use the trees as cover and take them out. It's not that hard. Same for the Union level and the bust level. Use the cover system

first two times, i let the guy "escape" due to the jacked-up vehicle controls and trying to shoot him even though it turns out i wasn't supposed to

third time, a dude came out of nowhere and yanked me off the bike in the park, and before i could get up the rest of the gang shot me to death

i suppose if i were autistic i'd really groove on the kind of repetition gta games seem to require, but i'm not, and other than the characters/story i really wasn't enjoying the game at all

[Raban]

McDragon, I tried turning off UPnP but still no dice. I was connected for maybe two seconds before getting kicked. My internet has no traffic or anything. Live won't even sign into messenger.

well, other stuff that might help:

http://i25.tinypic.com/90ylhk.jpg ---> set DHCP's lease time to forever (if you are using automatic IP settings)

http://i25.tinypic.com/5yudqr.jpg --> set MTU to 1492 as shown in the pic.

I'm using a belkin router, i know it's not the same but you get the idea, make sure to reboot router/360 when done.

I tried clearing the DHCP Lease, but no dice. This is what my page looks like:



What do I do?

[duckman2000]

i wish someone would hurry up and give me that $50 on ebay

Sold mine for $49.99 + $10 shipping 

[MCD]

McDragon, I tried turning off UPnP but still no dice. I was connected for maybe two seconds before getting kicked. My internet has no traffic or anything. Live won't even sign into messenger.

well, other stuff that might help:

http://i25.tinypic.com/90ylhk.jpg ---> set DHCP's lease time to forever (if you are using automatic IP settings)

http://i25.tinypic.com/5yudqr.jpg --> set MTU to 1492 as shown in the pic.

I'm using a belkin router, i know it's not the same but you get the idea, make sure to reboot router/360 when done.

I tried clearing the DHCP Lease, but no dice. This is what my page looks like:

(Image removed from quote.)

What do I do?

No clue, don't see any option to turn off lease or something.

how about using manual IP settings instead of DHCP for 360?

go to your 360 connection settings and set it as manual

IP should be the same as the picture, just change the last digit (ie 192.168.0.X), subnet the same and default gateway = 192.168.0.1.

primary/secondary dns servers can be found on your router page or via Start ---> run --> cmd --> ipconfig /all

edit: off to bed, good luck.

[hyp]

so i rented the PS3 version for shits and giggles since i had nothing on my gamefly queue.  lo and behold, after 3 attempts of re-installing and deleting the mandatory saved data, the game freezes up on the "STARTING A NEW GAME" screen.  i'm returning this since i own the 360 version anyway.  rockstar fucked up big time.

i'm on a 20gb launch unit (upgrade to 250gb).

rockstar

[MCD]

were you playing online?

[hyp]

i've got my ps3 hooked up via ethernet cable,  and yes i was logged in.

[MCD]

unplug that cable and try again, seems to work.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Same happened to me yesterday.  You have to turn off your online connection in the PS3 dashboard....but take the disc out.  I tried to jump directly to the dash with the disc in and I had to cycle the power in the back to get it up again.  LOL@Rockstar.

I still don't know why I'm going through the game on both systems.  I started on the 360, then went to the PS3, and now I'm trying to get through both versions.  My preference for which version is better seems to change every hour or so.  It's a sickness I tell ya.

[ferrarimanf355]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11037610&postcount=113

 

Real world physics?  GTA4?  I guess it all depends on what world we're talking about.

I had someone pull the "real world physics" card on me when I complained about the handling being like driving on ice on slicks when I was sucking up the rear on an online race. I told him that I have Forza 2 to take care of my real world physics needs, and hoped that Midnight Club LA doesn't drive like molasses. I really need to get used to this.

And how in the hell do you play QUB3D? I suck at this minigame... 

[AdmiralViscen]

The mission that broke my patience almost for good last night was the one for Elizabeth where you have take some dude 15 minutes across the map and you get sprung by some undercover cops at a drug bust. Failed the mission first go and had to drive across again.

Why even have a mission restart?

The one where you snipe guys in a worksite off the top of a building and then run in to kill the union leaders is the same. Making you re-drive everywhere is fucking stupid and infuriates me.

The game would be short as shit if not for all the driving back and forth. Why can't the missions all be sorta near the mission givers? Why do the McReary's live in east Bofuck but all their missions are in Manhattan?

People bitch when Gears or Halo or Ratchet are 8 hours long but then this game is like 20 hours long with all that fluff.

[pilonv1]

The game would be short as shit if not for all the driving back and forth. Why can't the missions all be sorta near the mission givers? Why do the McReary's live in east Bofuck but all their missions are in Manhattan?

It feels a bit like Assasins Creed in that regard - making the travel longer than the missions. I wouldn't usually care in GTA but the side missions are boring and repetitive. No hidden packages (cant see pigeons for shit, bring back the real hidden packages), no killing sprees... I'd much rather this game be 10 hours long with no 20 minute drives.

[hyp]

unplug that cable and try again, seems to work.

Same happened to me yesterday.  You have to turn off your online connection in the PS3 dashboard....but take the disc out.  I tried to jump directly to the dash with the disc in and I had to cycle the power in the back to get it up again.  LOL@Rockstar.

I still don't know why I'm going through the game on both systems.  I started on the 360, then went to the PS3, and now I'm trying to get through both versions.  My preference for which version is better seems to change every hour or so.  It's a sickness I tell ya.

thanks dudes, what a clusterfuck.  i'll try it in a few and let you know the results.

update:  oh shit, it worked!  time to do a "comparison"

[AdmiralViscen]

When it comes down to it there's not much in the city. 4 clothes stores, only 4 or 5 different types of restaurants spammed anywhere, 3 strip clubs. Vice City did way more with its space so far. So did Saints Row, obviously.

They've got their great atmosphere but they would've done better to delete the last island and just make the content of the remaining ones denser. Maybe this game will come into its own with the 360 DLC.

I've found 1 pigeon.

[pilonv1]

I've found 3 pigeons. One was by accident, as the camera angle during one of Jacobs drug deliveries had a giant glowing red pigeon in the midldle of the screen. I couldn't be bothered trying to find them.

[ferrarimanf355]

The handbrake is now the button of doom.  Press it for an instant crash.

That, and I keep thinking that the Y button is the look back button when it's actually the bail out button...

[Raban]

I really don't understand EB sometimes. I mean, GTA4 is flawed, fuck yeah it's flawed, but Saint's Row is still worse. On top of a completely unstable engine, what with the floor disappearing, constant glitching and freezing, the framerate is so asstastic, especially when more than a single cop car is within a mile of you. On top of THAT, the wanted meter is a shitheap, the sound effects are horrific, and the textures make the game look like this ugly cel-shaded/normal mapped heathen. Add to that some absolutely disgusting art and models, as well as shit VA for everyone but Keith Motherfucking David.

Saint's Row is forever banned to being a 6/10. Who the fuck releases such an incomplete game? That's not to say GTA4 is amazing, since it's like a 7/10. Point being, nothing has topped Crackdown as king of sandbox games this gen (if you forget the first 3 hours of the game completely).

[demi]

I really don't understand EB sometimes. I mean, GTA4 is flawed, fuck yeah it's flawed, but Saint's Row is still worse. On top of a completely unstable engine, what with the floor disappearing, constant glitching and freezing, the framerate is so asstastic, especially when more than a single cop car is within a mile of you. On top of THAT, the wanted meter is a shitheap, the sound effects are horrific, and the textures make the game look like this ugly cel-shaded/normal mapped heathen. Add to that some absolutely disgusting art and models, as well as shit VA for everyone but Keith Motherfucking David.

Saint's Row is forever banned to being a 6/10. Who the fuck releases such an incomplete game? That's not to say GTA4 is amazing, since it's like a 7/10. Point being, nothing has topped Crackdown as king of sandbox games this gen (if you forget the first 3 hours of the game completely).

Great argument for a game that came out 2 fucking years ago. I want to kick you in your tits. Saints Row plays better, period. And it's two years old. GTA4 got delayed and it still wound up a lackluster turd with gameplay from 10 years ago, not one single improvement.

[Raban]

I really don't understand EB sometimes. I mean, GTA4 is flawed, fuck yeah it's flawed, but Saint's Row is still worse. On top of a completely unstable engine, what with the floor disappearing, constant glitching and freezing, the framerate is so asstastic, especially when more than a single cop car is within a mile of you. On top of THAT, the wanted meter is a shitheap, the sound effects are horrific, and the textures make the game look like this ugly cel-shaded/normal mapped heathen. Add to that some absolutely disgusting art and models, as well as shit VA for everyone but Keith Motherfucking David.

Saint's Row is forever banned to being a 6/10. Who the fuck releases such an incomplete game? That's not to say GTA4 is amazing, since it's like a 7/10. Point being, nothing has topped Crackdown as king of sandbox games this gen (if you forget the first 3 hours of the game completely).

Great argument for a game that came out 2 fucking years ago. I want to kick you in your tits. Saints Row plays better, period. And it's two years old. GTA4 got delayed and it still wound up a lackluster turd with gameplay from 10 years ago, not one single improvement.

Are you fucking kidding me? You're demi, nobody gives a fuck what you think. Barring the rare moments your fucked up overly-critical opinions align with those of any other human being with brain cells that number higher than one digit, the only thing you're good for is being used as a bargaining chip in arguments because it's considered a sign of the apocalypse when you show any actual taste as opposed to the brainless bias you shovel on to every piece of shit more than 10 people dislike, you cock-guzzling fagmuffin. Crawl back in your cave and never come back out.

[Eel O'Brian]

fucking microsoft, pussyfooting around and letting crackdown 2 slip by

i hope apb is good

[AdmiralViscen]

I really don't understand EB sometimes. I mean, GTA4 is flawed, fuck yeah it's flawed, but Saint's Row is still worse. On top of a completely unstable engine, what with the floor disappearing, constant glitching and freezing, the framerate is so asstastic, especially when more than a single cop car is within a mile of you. On top of THAT, the wanted meter is a shitheap, the sound effects are horrific, and the textures make the game look like this ugly cel-shaded/normal mapped heathen. Add to that some absolutely disgusting art and models, as well as shit VA for everyone but Keith Motherfucking David.

Saint's Row is forever banned to being a 6/10. Who the fuck releases such an incomplete game? That's not to say GTA4 is amazing, since it's like a 7/10. Point being, nothing has topped Crackdown as king of sandbox games this gen (if you forget the first 3 hours of the game completely).

I'm enjoying the game, especially the shooting, but there are beefs here dude! SR never froze on me in 30+ hours. I love the shooting but the world could ahve more in it, the missions could have checkpoints, and the missions that don't involve shooting are lifted straight from PS2 games. CHASE GUY ON BIKE! SNIPE FROM ROOF AND DISRUPT UNION! DROP OFF BODIES IN TRUNK!

SR is rough around the edges but SR2 will be so hot.

And SR seems to be less of an incomplete game than GTA4. At least SR had tons of gameplay. GTA4 has its share of glitches and hitches and a whole lot less to do.

[Raban]

I really don't understand EB sometimes. I mean, GTA4 is flawed, fuck yeah it's flawed, but Saint's Row is still worse. On top of a completely unstable engine, what with the floor disappearing, constant glitching and freezing, the framerate is so asstastic, especially when more than a single cop car is within a mile of you. On top of THAT, the wanted meter is a shitheap, the sound effects are horrific, and the textures make the game look like this ugly cel-shaded/normal mapped heathen. Add to that some absolutely disgusting art and models, as well as shit VA for everyone but Keith Motherfucking David.

Saint's Row is forever banned to being a 6/10. Who the fuck releases such an incomplete game? That's not to say GTA4 is amazing, since it's like a 7/10. Point being, nothing has topped Crackdown as king of sandbox games this gen (if you forget the first 3 hours of the game completely).

I'm enjoying the game, especially the shooting, but there are beefs here dude! SR never froze on me in 30+ hours.

SR is rough around the edges but SR2 will be so hot.

And SR seems to be less of an incomplete game than GTA4. At least SR had tons of gameplay. GTA4 has its share of glitches and hitches and a whole lot less to do.

-shrug- I can concur that SR doesn't take its story seriously, but when I played, it felt like the the entire game didn't take itself seriously.

[demi]

You care what I think.

[Don Flamenco]

needs more shoot out missions, less chases.

but where are all these glitches people are talking about?  Okay, yeah, the freezing thing is huge, but when it's not doing that, it's fine. 

[Raban]

You care what I think.

  I'm all alone in that regard, baby.

[The Fake Shemp]

This board is populated by iconoclasts and bearded men gamers.  When has this forum ever liked anything that was huge mainstream hit that didn't start life on the PC?  The best thing you can learn from lurking or posting here is the following: don't take anything seriously and don't let anyone's thoughts sway yours.

Personally, I really have enjoyed Grand Theft Auto 4, but it's a very flawed game that would've benefited from either more development time or being platform exclusive.  Maybe both.  It doesn't deserve its "perfect" status nor being awarded the greatest videogame ever, but it is damn enjoyable.

[Raban]

I love GTA4, but just like every single game that's come out this gen, not just SR, it's plagued by about a billion fads we've been reusing since NES days

ffs devs, mid-mission checkpoints are fucking important.

[AdmiralViscen]

I'm pretty much addicted to the game and I truly enjoy it, maybe even love it, but every hour or so I hit some shit that just pisses me off.

Game needed another 6 months.

[Don Flamenco]

now that I think about it, it's really fucked that I haven't had more shooting missions.  The construction site, the abandoned hospital, the one with mikhail, and the NOOSE sting op....the rest have been driving.  They've got a whole fucking city and a decent cover engine, they should make us use it more.

I have yet to go on a 6 star rampage though

[AdmiralViscen]

Don't forget the bank heist.

[pilonv1]

I want to love this game unconditionally. Someone said it best before that I enjoy it but every minute feels like I'm fighting the controls or the design. This shit wouldn't fly with any other title. Why can't I have a GTA that looks like 2008 without playing like 2004?

Can you imagine the shitfest this would have been in October last year when it was meant to launch?

[demi]

omg these races are so boring and lame

[duckman2000]

Good grief, that NeoGAF sanctioned GTA IV comparison thread is still going strong. 

[FatalT]

I beat it.

Now I can play it the way I want to play it. BY DOING NOTHING AT ALL AND JUST DICKING AROUND! Woohoo!

[abrader]

so far i like it. The freezing seeems to be over and was somehow related to the online connectivity.

I think the game wont hit its peak until the 3rd installment this gen...(like how san Andreas >>>> original GTAIII)

Maybe we can get a GTA IV: London

and a GTA IV: Vice City 2010?

??

Have you guys played the online much? every time I play with friends it has been amazing fun. the auto theft game and the cops /criminals game mostly.

[abrader]

also this has me hyped as fuck for Midnight Club

[pilonv1]

if this game is any indication...

midnight club 4: moon physics edition

[abrader]

oh yeah - the physics in the original GTA III after playing GTA IV hahahaha

I just hope the new Midnight club is more like MCII and less like DUB EDITION.

[pilonv1]

I've found three jumps so far. Not compelled to find them as much as I was in the old ones.