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duckman2000

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Re: Year of PS3 stalls again - GTAIV on 360 selling 2:1 over PS3
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2008, 02:42:47 PM »
What matters (not to us the consumers, but to corporate brass who protect their corporations' bottom lines) is that they make generate enough revenue to make a profit. In that regard, the Wii is performing much better than the other two manufacturers, and I think both Sony and Microsoft wouldn't mind for a second to trade their positions with Nintendo in terms of growth, profit, and perhaps more importantly, marketshare and mindshare.

If they could do so within their areas of business and without being to the detriment of other areas of business, that is. Which is the point I'm trying to make here. It's ludicrous to view this as a same-term "console war". Microsoft is pushing to establish a conduit between its operating system and services and the entertainment center (which explains why the storage capabilities are severely gimped, while the streaming capabilities are so full featured), The Playstation 3 is an entertainment device that serves to complement and support Sony's CE business, and the Wii is, for all intents and purposes, a toy, one that serves well as a toy, but would be a miserable showcase system for high end CE devices.
I'm certain that all three would love for all of their standalone products to generate profit, but when you're looking at a conduit or a support system, profiting off of individual products is likely a good deal less crucial than if the product was, like Wii, a standalone product. Ideally, Microsoft would be in a position where it can pressure Sony into accepting MS OS and services, so we could get one high end CE platform to complement Nintendo's toy.

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Re: Year of PS3 stalls again - GTAIV on 360 selling 2:1 over PS3
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2008, 02:52:55 PM »
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The reason why they are PS3 exclusive with Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest:

wut

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Honestly, what they've done with FF13 has gone against what they have done every previous generation - wait for the leader to be clear, then make the platform choice.

FF4: started development on SNES before it was released
FF7: started development on PS1 before N64 was released (so how could the leader have been clear?)
FF10: started development on PS2 before it was released

so if by "every previous generation" you mean "8-bit Famicom only", then sure.
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Re: Year of PS3 stalls again - GTAIV on 360 selling 2:1 over PS3
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2008, 03:15:10 PM »
If they could do so within their areas of business and without being to the detriment of other areas of business, that is. Which is the point I'm trying to make here. It's ludicrous to view this as a same-term "console war". Microsoft is pushing to establish a conduit between its operating system and services and the entertainment center (which explains why the storage capabilities are severely gimped, while the streaming capabilities are so full featured), The Playstation 3 is an entertainment device that serves to complement and support Sony's CE business, and the Wii is, for all intents and purposes, a toy, one that serves well as a toy, but would be a miserable showcase system for high end CE devices.
I'm certain that all three would love for all of their standalone products to generate profit, but when you're looking at a conduit or a support system, profiting off of individual products is likely a good deal less crucial than if the product was, like Wii, a standalone product. Ideally, Microsoft would be in a position where it can pressure Sony into accepting MS OS and services, so we could get one high end CE platform to complement Nintendo's toy.

I agree:

Microsoft is trying to push their OS (and failing miserably, btw) into our homes through the guise of a media / entertainment center with the 360 and the Media Center editions of Vista.

Sony is using the PS3 as a trojan horse for the Blu-ray and entertainment device to promote their other business units, namely media.

Nintendo only makes games (hence the "toy" bit). They have no other agenda than to make games. And yes, the Wii is laugable as a high-end entertainment device in the vein of a 360 or PS3. It's good for games, and hardly any more (and some would argue that it hardly is even good for games!).

I'm not disagreeing with you, but at the end of the day, after everything's said and done, Media Create, Famitsu, NPD, NexGen Wars, VGChartz, SimExchange, the Pachters and market analysts and any others that I've left out will still say that the Wii is outselling both the PS3 and the 360 - they will never post only PS3 vs 360 sales; for them, all three consoles, nothing more, nothing less. The sales figures of all three consoles will be lumped together. There will not be any differentiation "because Sony has this agenda and Microsoft has that agenda while Nintendo doesn't have an agenda". All three are consoles, and in everyone's (except us who are hardcore gamers that frequent forums) eyes, the difference between one console and another, and one company's agenda and another's, is academic and moot. Nobody except us care - certainly the mass media, the main disseminator of information, doesn't care (or do their research thoroughly enough to dig up this information) - all they care is that "Wii Fit was on Oprah" and "Wii still unavailable in retail".


At the end of the day, in terms of "console war" sales, there is only one victor: Nintendo. In terms of the "conduit war", both Microsoft and Sony are losers, because Microsoft has failed thus far to introduce the media center into the living room in the way they initially envisioned it (independent of the 360). Sony, on the other hand, has won the HD format battle against HD-DVD but they are far, far from winning the next-generation format war against the DVD, a far inferior format. Both Sony and Microsoft have neither profited off individual products nor have they made any significant inroads off their conduits (again, Blu-ray and PS3 have not been the successes Sony would have hoped them to be, while Microsoft's RRoD has cost them USD1B, and Vista, despite selling 10% more than XP in its initial year, has done so when the market size has doubled in the same time).

In any case, for being a toy, the Wii sure has proven to be a most formidable opponent - and I bet none of us saw it coming! :)

duckman2000

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Re: Year of PS3 stalls again - GTAIV on 360 selling 2:1 over PS3
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2008, 09:37:01 PM »
Well, there's definitely nothing wrong with toys. Hell, I have a business built around toys, or allowing people to rent toys to shoot one another with. Just saying, I don't think the Wii route would be a desirable route. The level of success, of course. But as far as competing head on with Wii on its own terms, I don't think that would have sat well with either of the two "HD" contenders and their respective larger business goals.
I'm probably not as surprised about Wii's success as most, although I admit that I didn't think it would be an overnight success. I thought Nintendo did a smart thing, distancing itself from the impossible task of going up against Sony and MS on their rather insane terms, and I figured they could probably pull it off. If any one console manufacturer was going to pull off capturing the "non-gamers", it'd be the toy company with the NES, SNES and Gameboy on its CV.

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Re: Year of PS3 stalls again - GTAIV on 360 selling 2:1 over PS3
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2008, 01:15:02 AM »
How are those deluxe extra expensive editions doin?
I got one.

:bow that track from the Greenskeepers on the soundtrack disc :bow2
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