Game

[Borys]

.

[MCD]

shitbin this garbage.

[pilonv1]

giant glowing bear

[Vizzys]

clusterfuck

[Tieno]

They should fire whoever is making screenshots. Way too many and some are so unflattering and from unnatural positions they make the game look bad. There are some decent and good ones in there too.
Only make extreme close-ups or from unnatural positions when it makes the game look good.

I dig the customizable armor!

[MCD]

these are coop screenshots, image quality is probably lower.

[Darunia]

what we need... is a demo of this

[Darunia]

I know. I meant soon. Dyack said something about May, that'd better be true. co-op demo would be sweet

[Tieno]

Thought he said the demo would hit just before the game. And we still dont have a date for that do we?  :'(

I think it was announced to be Q1 08 back in august 07.

[MCD]

Dyack promised a demo.

[CurseoftheGods]

It's already Q2. lol

[Darunia]

and on the last egm live he appeared on he implied that a demo/release would be coming 'sooner than you expected' or something along those lines. we live on hope right dyack

[huckleberry]

The best thing this game has going for it is the name. 

[Kestastrophe]

The graphics are looking rough, but I'll be picking this one up since it is a diablo type RPG.

[Raban]

Where the fuck has art direction gone this gen? It's been wiped off the face of the earth. Barely any games have real art anymore, they just throw the shit in middleware and that's it. smh

[MCD]

Where the fuck has art direction gone this gen? It's been wiped off the face of the earth. Barely any games have real art anymore, they just throw the shit in middleware and that's it. smh

assassin's creed my love.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

When it's all said and done, I still think this is going to be a lot of fun to play.  I've liked everything SK has put out in the past (yeah even Twin Snakes) and I've got no reason to believe that this won't be equally satisfying.

[Kestastrophe]

I've liked everything SK has put out in the past (yeah even Twin Snakes)

Undeservedly bad reputation. Twin Snakes is still the best MGS game that I've played (I've played through 1 and 3).

[Darunia]

this'll probably be one of those games that shines (read: will only be fun) in co-op. That's how I'll be playing it anyway

[MCD]

i said this once and i will say it again, i had fun with kingdom under fire: circle of doom 4 coop mode, so this won't disappoint me at all.

[Raban]

Where the fuck has art direction gone this gen? It's been wiped off the face of the earth. Barely any games have real art anymore, they just throw the shit in middleware and that's it. smh

assassin's creed my love.

Barely, but you're right.

[MCD]

you are not a masochist yet.

[TVC15]

I'd love to get hyped for this game, but why bother?  Silicon Knights has never made a good, solid game.  Blood Omen was more than a decade ago, Eternal Darkness had a pretty nice presentation, but it was busted to the point of unfunness, and Twin Snakes was just a lol, though I am not sure who gets the full blame for that.

[MCD]

you are not a masochist yet.

I played Norath, I'm close enough.

I put over 70hrs in to that game.

good.

I'd love to get hyped for this game, but why bother?  Silicon Knights has never made a good, solid game.  Blood Omen was more than a decade ago, Eternal Darkness had a pretty nice presentation, but it was busted to the point of unfunness, and Twin Snakes was just a lol, though I am not sure who gets the full blame for that.

the game won't be good on it's own, 4 coop however...

[duckman2000]

It remains to be seen if this pisses on Norse mythology and cultural heritage with a stronger or weaker beam than your standard Japanese "Valkyrie Odin of The Fenrir Crystal" crap, but so far it doesn't look promising.

the game won't be good on it's own, 4 coop however...

That argument seems awfully familiar.

[MCD]

halo 3? lol

[TVC15]

It remains to be seen if this pisses on Norse mythology and cultural heritage with a stronger or weaker beam than your standard Japanese "Valkyrie Odin of The Fenrir Crystal" crap, but so far it doesn't look promising.

I remember Dyack making a big deal about the epic story and all that.  And then they showed the video of that cutscene in the bar that looked so terrible.  Dyack's standards for "good" are waaaaaaaay lower than anyone else's.

[TVC15]

I've never played Twin Snakes, isnt it just a remake? How can that suck unless the original material is shit?

It's a crappy remake.  The points have been gone over again and again.  Importing MGS2's moves without redesigning the original game was distinguished mentally-challenged.  That's the big thing.

Also I've enjoyed ED, the gameplay wasnt 100% tight, but the overall product was fun.

The gameplay was broken, and you like, couldn't actually die if you had half a brain.  The game's most intriguing feature, the sanity effects, barely came up.  The argument from fans is BU BU BU YOU CAN SEE THEM IF YOU WANT TO BY LETTING YOUR BAR DRAIN.  So I could see the game's marquee feature if I try to play the game not as intended?  Huh?

[MrAngryFace]

argh, they need art help

[duckman2000]

If you guys are going to base your like for the game on how close it follows Norse Mythology, you shouldn't even be playing games.

Give me a break. Norse mythology is, according to Dyack, central to the game. It's not even a matter of how close it follows it, I'm more interested in seeing how its emulated. If that's not of importance, then you had better take that up with Dyack.

[hyp]

i'll end up picking this up despite all the message board hate.  i love dungeon hacks.  penis dyack and his horde of cultists be damned. 

[The Fake Shemp]

Read a book, Kosma.

This game looks like garbage.  People that get excited for this are insane.

[CurseoftheGods]

I am keeping an eye on this game. I am hoping the online mode is well-designed and Diablo-esque.

Eternal Darkness was horrible, though. I still can't fathom why it garnered such high reviews and hype from critics. It was a 7 game at its very best.

[GilloD]

Daikatana 2: Eletric Two-aloo.

[AdmiralViscen]

Watch out, he'll ban you.

[The Fake Shemp]

First of all, I'm probably the only one here who has actually played the game at one point - and it was awful then.

The art direction is piss poor and Silicon Knights has no track record.  This is like getting excited for a Uwe Boll movie, but at least those as entertaining on a pure trainwreck level.

[Mupepe]

game looks like ass.  day 1.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, I was there the strength of men failed... when Silicon Knights demonstrated an early build of the game at E3 a couple of years ago.  I'm pretty lenient on early builds because I understand the natural progression of game development.  That said, it was the worst demonstration I ever had the honor of playing.  Really.  It was such a colossal failure, that while I'm sure that two overhauled engines later, the game is actually playable - I have no faith in any team that parades out that kind of fecal matter on the show floor.

I think Dyack is able to trick a bunch of fanboys by throwing out words like "Diablo" and "skill trees", but what has this man done for you that merits anticipating this game?  His track record is puke.  The fact that he had the audacity to sue Epic over that Unreal Engine debacle proves that his team is worthless.  The art direction is something that I'd expect out of a fanmade PC game.

I'd love to be proven wrong and I'll try any XBL demo with an objective mind, but the fans salivating over this game just blows my mind.

[Bloodwake]

Read a book, Kosma.

This game looks like garbage.  People that get excited for this are insane.

This may be a first, but


AGREED

Avoid like the plague.

[The Fake Shemp]

As someone who has done videogame previews for a living before - trusting previews is hysterical.  You realize, that as a games "journalist" you say almost nothing negative in a preview?  I was told point blank by my editors to regurgitate the press release for the game I was covering, throw in some quotes and fancy words.  Tada!  Instant preview.

If anything, as a fan of the medium, the best way to figure out if anything is going to be good is to look at gameplay footage, screens and carefully dissect the P.R. to find the gameplay elements that might be intriguing.  Everything else is just folks trying to peddle their wares.

[Kestastrophe]

That said, it was the worst demonstration I ever had the honor of playing.  Really.  It was such a colossal failure

Wow. I thought that the footage shown was unimpressive, but I never would have guessed that it was that bad. Ouch.

[The Fake Shemp]

The framerate made it look like a slideshow, the environments were barren and when enemies did appear, the framerate died.  The animation was abysmal.  The art direction was slightly worse than it is now.  It was just awful.

[duckman2000]

First of all, I'm probably the only one here who has actually played the game at one point - and it was awful then.

The art direction is piss poor and Silicon Knights has no track record.  This is like getting excited for a Uwe Boll movie, but at least those as entertaining on a pure trainwreck level.

You played it at that horrid E3 presentation?

If so, fair enough. But since then, every publication who played it had nothing but good things to say about the game.

I still think people hate on this game with no reason to.

Don't they always? Of course, I've been accused of doing the same, which is complete bullshit as I've always had an argument to go along with the "hate". You may disagree with the level of importance that I place on the story and setting aspect of the game, but that to me is going to be the make or break point. I can accept a combat "look and feel" that runs counter to the "berserker" idea, but the story has to be something a notch above the common sci-fi crap blended with bits and pieces of mythology to actually match what Denis himself has chosen to hype about his game. Of course, that has also changed quite a bit; remember when he was all about the combat? Now it's something we shouldn't expect greatness from because, hey, it's more of a Diablo style game. Right.

As someone who has done videogame previews for a living before - trusting previews is hysterical.  You realize, that as a games "journalist" you say almost nothing negative in a preview?  I was told point blank by my editors to regurgitate the press release for the game I was covering, throw in some quotes and fancy words.  Tada!  Instant preview.

Wasn't Matt Assman, the self-proclaimed SK fantard, their favored "journalist" for a while? They'd have these hilariously pretentious and "serious" round-table previews, with Matt really respecting Dyack and the gang, and really getting what Too Human was all about.

[The Fake Shemp]

Previews have been positive, there are lots of features in the game worth being excited about...

so what do you have to hate about the game?

I already told you, barring a complete turnover of the entire staff, nothing will forgive what went out on that show floor.  The art direction is still horrible.  Latest footage had archaic animations to boot.

And I just told you why I never trust previews.  I used to be on the payroll for Imagine at one point.  I never trust previews.  They are paid to tell you it is awesome, no matter what - especially if they need to keep Microsoft happy so they can get exclusives on the stuff folks actually care about, like Gears of War 2.  Why would I care if Preview A or Preview B said the game looks fun when I've actually played it at one point and can look at the screens/footage and SEE that it's garbage.

Dyack can implement all the features he wants - who cares.  He hasn't been able to make a good game in forever and a day.

So I'm supposed to discount the fact that I played the game, the developer's poor track record, the awful art direction, mediocre visuals, awful animation and my personal experience in the industry because IGN or GameSpot told us it looks cool?  Fuck that noise.

[The Fake Shemp]

And look, after basically stealing Microsoft's money, if Dyack manages to churn out a decent Diablo clone, I'll be the first to say so.  I'm not saying I know what the end product will be, but I will say that anticipating this title is mind boggling.

[duckman2000]

And its fine that to you, you need a good story to enjoy games, but how many of the best selling games out have good stories? Gears of War? Army of Two? Most people don't give a shit as long as the game has something that catches them.

It's damned near not even about a good story at this point. I just want something that does justice to the source material. Brutal combat is seemingly out, what with everything being a matter of cling clang ROBOTRON 3000 blah, but maybe there's a worthwhile tale there. I'm more than a little bit tired of seeing developers approach a rich mythos and make it less than its raw form, and hopefully SK can actually do better.

And really, if its not story we're supposed to be interested, then what it is? Hack and slash gameplay, without context? I don't get it. I'm not the one who has been talking about the importance of the story, the settings and the mythology it is supposedly based on, nor did I originally compare the game to various high profile action games. Dyack has continuously shifted focus from one aspect to the other, in pace with these various aspects being criticized as perhaps sub-par. It's been a Diablo style game ever since the game was criticized for its combat. I think the free reign trolling of Too Human is ridiculous, but Dyack has brought a lot of it upon himself.

[TVC15]

FYI: I am neither a Dyack nor an Xbox fanboy, Willco. Pretty much the opposite to be honest.

I am only a Diablo fanboy.

You do know that diablo gameplay + loot tables isn't an automatic guaranteed win.  Play any Diablo clone that's come out of the former Soviet bloc in the past several years.

[TVC15]

FYI: I am neither a Dyack nor an Xbox fanboy, Willco. Pretty much the opposite to be honest.

I am only a Diablo fanboy.

You do know that diablo gameplay + loot tables isn't an automatic guaranteed win.  Play any Diablo clone that's come out of the former Soviet bloc in the past several years.

In the land of the blind one-eyed man is the king.

If you are starved for Diabloy gameplay, wait for Sacred II.  At least there's a proven track record there.

[MrAngryFace]

Ugly called, it wants its ugly back.

[Flannel Boy]

Ugly called, it wants its ugly back.

Yeah, the gameplay shots are incredibly ugly--both technically and artistically.

[Van Cruncheon]

if you want diablo-esque gameplay, INSTALL TITAN QUEST + EXPANSION NOW NOW NOW.

i am the world's biggest WHORE for diablo-esque gameplay. tvc and maf will confirm. i am also a huge sodomaniacal (tm me) xfag. despite these FACTS, dyack's abysmal track record and nonsensical hyperbole have made me completely uninterested in too human. it will be a turd.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I think Mythos will be king Borys. Space Sieg might be cool too. But Mythos is looking so hawt hawt hawt. God I hope I get into Beta.

You have 45 minutes to PM me your e-mail before I leave the country.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Okay, I put in your e-mail. Hopefully you get a key soon. (You too, Borys.)

NO MORE, I am leaving the country, don't spam my inbox!!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what else am I gonna do at 7 AM!

[MCD]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11152072&postcount=506

Too Human on 8.12, not 8/19

[MCD]

hahahaha

[MCD]

yeah, no 4coop is a big fuckup.

[MCD]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11152637&postcount=716

We have reduced it to 2-player co-op. The reason we did that is we looked at it, and the way the game is really frantic, and when you have a lot of guys zooming around. We weren't sure that would play out the best. There were also all kinds of balancing issues. That's where we are spending the majority of our time now. People say it looks finished, but we are balancing the RPG system. In order to do it right, and make sure co-op is the best it could be, right now we have it at 2 players. We though that was the absolute right thing to do for the game, and from a gamers point of view....

[Grecco]

All interest i had flew out the window without 4 player co op

[MCD]

know what's even more sad? FUCKING KINGDOM UNDER FIRE HAD 4 COOP.