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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2008, 01:29:39 PM »
Fans of an animated television commercial designed to sell toys?  Transformers was never high art to begin with!
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2008, 01:31:12 PM »
I agree with Willco.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2008, 01:50:02 PM »
I never really expected Indy 4 to be anything more than a quaint excuse to see the character on the big screen one last time.

I wish I could accept that, but we've heard stories about scripts being rewritten, rejected, kicked around, false starts, et cetera for more than a decade, which lead me to believe that they would not do a fourth movie unless they had another banger.  Instead we get one of Lucas's warmed over shitty ideas. 

Excellent point, but given Lucas' involvement, you can't have been that surprised. He wasn't going to make any Star Wars prequels until they were perfect, and look how they turned out. The odds of them knocking it out of the park one last time this late in the game were pretty slim.

Having stayed away from spoilers etc. I kinda always figured this flick would do better with the younger sets, while the older, more experienced cinemaphiles would have serious issues.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2008, 01:51:39 PM »
Fans of an animated television commercial designed to sell toys?  Transformers was never high art to begin with!

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2008, 01:52:41 PM »
Cheebs timed exclusive review:

"Need to think more before I give it a number. But as I posted in the topic:


A bit too early to give my full thoughts but I'd say:

Raiders >>> Last Crusade > Crystal Skull >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temple of Doom

Is it a Spielberg masterpiece like Close Encounters, Jaws or Raiders? No but it's a lot of fun, cant wait for the blu-ray. A worthy entry to the franchise and I am up for part 5 if they decide to do it."


I saw it last night, shit movie

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2008, 03:57:47 PM »
Awesome review:

http://seattleweekly.com/2008-05-21/film/indiana-jones-and-the-kingdom-of-the-crystal-skull-who-let-george-lucas-behind-the-camera.php

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From humdrum start to shrugging finish, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg's Crystal Skull bears almost no resemblance to its predecessors: It's absent the spark of Raiders of the Lost Ark, the grown-up menace and slapdash comedy of Temple of Doom, and the loose-limbed effervescence of Last Crusade. Much has been made of the decision to push the franchise into the late 1950s—away from the Nazis and biblical collectors' items and toward the Russians and ETs. Early word suggested a film verging on summer camp, as creaky ol' Indy (Harrison Ford) donned fedora and whip and Cate Blanchett slipped into dominatrix bob-cut for an outer-space trip flavored with the era's grade-Z conventions. But Crystal Skull is no fun at all: The dialogue's drab when not absolutely dumb; the actors seem lost if not outright listless; the scant action sequences appear to have been filmed entirely in front of green screens. (Is anyone sure that producer Lucas didn't actually direct?) And the storyline's a bunch of convoluted mumbo and pointless jumbo having to do with Russians and mind control and the mythical golden South American city of El Dorado, which may have been constructed by "visitors" who taught the locals how to, um, farm. Twenty years between offerings, and this is all the A-team could come up with?

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2008, 04:00:04 PM »
Seattle P.I. gave it an A-, and the Seattle Times gave it 2.5/4 stars. The Stranger hated it, saying how it devolves into a big Sci-fi mess.

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At its best, Crystal Skull captures at least some of the excitement you remember from the first three films. (An early motorcycle chase is especially sharp.) But as the movie lumbered along, its story eventually disintegrating into sci-fi nonsense, I couldn't help but regret I was watching it. When we'd last seen Indiana Jones he was riding off into the sunset after having discovered the Holy Grail. It was the perfect ending to the series: simple, iconic, and lasting. I'd have preferred to remember him that way.

I don't really care, I want to see it for myself.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2008, 04:14:14 PM »
After sleeping, I've come up with an opinion on the humor. While its theres throughout, I felt that Ford's delivery throughout the movie was pretty "Hey I'm Indiana Jones!", meaning it was a bit lazy. Not sure if its due to being older than he was, but I remember him having more charisma in the past Indy movies.

Also, its a good ACTION movie at its base its just, you go in expecting certain things of an Indiana Jones movie. This movie meets very little of them.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2008, 05:54:11 PM »
Wow what the fuck did I just see?

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My brief thoughts:

-Like an old man the beginning of this movie felt overly limp. The other films started off with an exciting moment in Indy's life that was external to the film's overall plot. It was like going from one adventure to the next. This one just begins the actual plot in a warehouse of all exciting places (yes I know it's where the Ark is but still it's a goddamn warehouse). The scene following the warehouse was kinda cool but really out of place for an Indiana Jones movie.

-There were some pretty absurd moments in Temple of Doom but none as absurd as the fridge scene or the jungle vines or the end.

-Did they just find some random picture of Connery and stuck it in a picture frame?

-Indy used to be cold blooded in the previous three films but in this one he doesn't do anything at all within that realm. Someone must have taken his whip and used it on him since he's really tame in this (which is probably what happened since he barely used the damn thing at all)

-Funny when the movie goes from limp to rock hard was when Marion enters the picture. For those brief few minutes it felt like a real Indiana Jones film. Then they escape and stupid happens.

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-Shia was tolerable. He wasn't as annoying as I expected him to be, but definitely the lamest of sidekicks so far.

-Despite some of the bloom the film looked somewhat comperable to the first three. The problem is that there is barely any wonder in the locations Indy visit. Not until the near end does there seem to be any real sense of adventure since most of the movie takes place in closed enviroments.

-The previous films helped create the PG-13 rating with numerous grotesque moments. Many of which are quite memorable. This film had only one (kinda cool but it's no melting face or heart pulling).

-I know Tarzan was a popular serial in the 40's, but just because it was doesn't mean you have to pay tribute to it in the movie.

-John Williams' score was also limp. The great themes from the previous films come and go quickly and the filler score is just there for the sake of music. I actually thought the crystal skull theme was pretty decent but he never does anything with it to make it shine.

-Last but not least is the end. This film would have just been a mediocre and tolerable adventure with some pretty dumb moments, but when those last 15 minutes came it just turned the whole adventure into laughable mess. I cannot believe they thought that would be a good idea.


This movie really has Lucas's shit stains smeared all over it. I get that they were trying to incorporate as many serials from the 40's and 50's into this movie since the time period has changed, but they did it at the expense of a good adventure. I actually wish they would make another one in hopes to make up for this mess because it's a bit disheartening to see the series end on such a goofy note. Ford seems to still have it in him to be Indy it's just a shame that the script doesn't give him anything to work with.

For me it's easily the worst in the series only because Temple of Doom at least revelled in the fact that it was a freak show and was mildly entertaining and rewatchable in that way. And Last Crusade had the great chemistry between Ford and Connery that kept the ride from bogging down too much. This was just like Die Hard 4, a very bland version of what came before it.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2008, 06:02:52 PM »
What's you guy's deal with Temple of Doom. It's good in it's own way. I refuse to believe Crystal skull is worse than temple of doom.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2008, 06:13:07 PM »
What's you guy's deal with Temple of Doom. It's good in it's own way. I refuse to believe Crystal skull is worse than temple of doom.

I actually like Temple of Doom. It's dumb but it was also like the equivalent of walking through a House of Horrors. It's the brainless visual fest that makes it memorable to me. Crystal Skull, however, is really dumb and so bland that the only thing I'm going to remember from it 10 years from now is the ending.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2008, 06:18:35 PM »
I dont think Temple of Doom is dumb. It's just different. It's kind of refreshing in its own sort of way.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2008, 06:53:46 PM »
so lower my expectations essentially
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2008, 07:06:55 PM »
I saw it and it was enjoyable, just not as good as the classic movies. With all these return movies: Rocky Balboa, Live Free or Die Hard, Rambo, and now this one, a lot of people will complain about them. There was a lot of CG action parts, but really these days, what can you do with a 60 plus year old actor? It's been like 30 years since the Raiders of the Lost Ark, and just seeing that yesterday again and watching this today, its difficult not to notice how much older Harrison is. And when you have an old actor, its kinda difficult to get the same action scenes going.

I didn't think there was anything wrong with the story, it was interesting, just adding the ridiculous CG stunt stuff to the movie takes away from it. There's two in particular that will make you say 'wtf?',
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I don't see how anyone thought this was a good idea.

Otherwise the stuff between Marion and Indy was fun, they still have good chemistry, and the second part of the film with them in it started to pick up. The chases were good too outside of the CG stuff they decided to add in. I don't see why directors these days need to feel like they have to go completely over the top for some scenes, when the older movies do really simple stuff when you break it down, but they have WAYYY more impact.

Breaking down Die Hard, the most hardcore moment was John McClane running across the floor with broken glass with no shoes on. In the last one he's dodging missles from a fighter jet destroying the highway he's on, then surfing on top of it. In Raiders of the Lost Ark, the biggest action scene was basically Indy stealing a military vehicle and just knocking the guys off of it with a few turns into the brush and other vehicles. And it was an AWESOME chase scene.

I agree that this CG stuff has gotten way out of hand in movies, and it takes away from the film. If they would have made some tweaks to the movie and removed some of the over the top stuff and replaced it with more build up, it would have been just as good a film as the others in the trilogy.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2008, 07:57:44 PM »
I agree with Hollywood pretty much on the nose.

It's still a very enjoyable movie, but not anywhere the quality of the first, and a little worse than the third.  It's better than Die Hard 4 was!
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #75 on: May 22, 2008, 08:11:33 PM »
i can't stand temple of doom. the pacing, the plot, and the acting are ALL so AWFUL that i can't even sit through 30 minutes of it these days.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #76 on: May 22, 2008, 08:29:43 PM »
explain how the acting and pacing are awful.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #77 on: May 22, 2008, 08:38:53 PM »
explain how the acting and pacing are awful.

Acting, I won't complain about.  I hate Kate Capshaw and Shortround, but I am guessing they are acting as intended.  I'll say I hate the characters, but I won't rag on the acting.

Pacing: Everything up to the temple is great.  Although I can't cite anything specific (it's been more than a year since I've seen it), after they get into the temple, there's a jarring shift in pacing.  It seems like it kind of, I dunno, jumps around, like there's little transition between scenes that makes it a smidge confusing to chronologically grok.  To me it came as a sort of nasty contrast to the nice, follow the numbers adventure that came before that part.  During the temple scenes, later on, the pace does pick up and get better in time for a pretty great third act.

Sorry if my view of things is a bit foggy.  I generally don't watch that movie that often.  I just got it in 720p, so maybe I can watch it tonight and do a better job of listing my pacing issues.  In short, it doesn't go down as smoothly as the other two flicks.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #78 on: May 22, 2008, 08:58:47 PM »
It's been a while since i have seen it too. I really like the mine cart stuff and I even kind of liked short round.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #79 on: May 22, 2008, 09:14:54 PM »
It's been a while since i have seen it too. I really like the mine cart stuff and I even kind of liked short round.

I really like the opening sequence a lot, too.  If it weren't an Indiana Jones movie, I'd probably be more forgiving of the total package.  It's not a terrible movie by itself, but relatively speaking, it is not so great when compared to the other two.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #80 on: May 22, 2008, 09:36:39 PM »
I just finished watching Temple of Doom like 5 minutes ago. I don't get the hate, it's a good movie. Just because its not one of the Indy huge quests doesn't make it bad. I like the banter between Short Round and Indy, the chick screams a lot, but doesn't annoy me that much. I would rate the movies 1, 3, 2, and 4.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #81 on: May 23, 2008, 02:46:25 AM »
Couple of other nitpicks I remember:

-Indy really has no bearing on the plot. He could have just been sitting at home, polishing his whip and the outcome would've been the exact same.

-Crotch gags in an Indiana Jones film. Though seeing Shia get smacked in the groin over and over again was amusing.

-Everyone, even after getting wet, stayed squeaky clean. Sure Harrison gets beat up a couple of times but his clothes still look like they just came out of the washer. Having just rewatched Temple of Doom again, Indy is almost always dirty in that film.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #82 on: May 23, 2008, 03:20:39 AM »
Couple of other nitpicks I remember:

-Indy really has no bearing on the plot. He could have just been sitting at home, polishing his whip and the outcome would've been the exact same.


Well you could say that about every Indy film, mainly the first one. I don't think that's a negative to the movie. Was the first one crappy because Indy basically did nothing? In the end the Nazi's and Belloq still got the Ark and opened it and got owned, it would have turned out the same.

Temple of Doom he got the stone back to the village, that's the only time in any of the movies does he seem to actually get something done on his own, although the stone does use its power to take out Mole Ram on the bridge.

In the Last Crusade, the guy basically gets owned drinking the wrong grail, and then they get owned trying to take the grail out of the temple. And there was the supernatural ownage in this latest one.

It seems to be a theme of all the Indy's. Indy finds a clue, gets captured, gets away. Indy finds something else, gets captured, gets away. Indy gets captured a final time, forced to give up the supernatural item, and the supernatural item owns the villains. I don't think thats a bad thing, I actually like that Indy is basically a small fish in a big pond trying to protect the sacredness of the objects and even though he always says they're stories or legends, he's respectful of their powers when he discovers them. He comes out like the white knight trying to keep the objects out of corrupt hands.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #83 on: May 23, 2008, 03:44:14 AM »
I wasn't aware that Indiana Jones already had apologists, but it's apprarently so.  This stuff is bush league - you guys should mine TheForce.net forums for some truly defensive rebuttals.  The Star Wars nerds have you guys beat.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #84 on: May 23, 2008, 03:53:05 AM »
Transformers what?

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #85 on: May 23, 2008, 04:06:25 AM »
Hey, I never apologized for Transformers' shortcomings.  It was a guilty pleasure and I enjoyed it on a personal level.  I'm not about to sit here and tell you it's an amazing film (although folks' hate boner for it is a little too erect around here!).
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #86 on: May 23, 2008, 04:27:11 AM »
Sure you did.  You praised the crappy action sequences and gave it an honor roll grade.  Which is fine.

I'm just finding the "lol, look at those ***** fanboys over at *****!" routine to be kind of grating and there's a lot of it around.  </meta>

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #87 on: May 23, 2008, 04:38:19 AM »
I praised the action and gave it a merit badge on that account.  Just because we disagree on that doesn't make me an apologist.  I never said it had great anything but robots blowing shit up (and I thought Shia was humorous - I had a chuckle)!

You dispute that there are fanboys at TheForce.net? :lol
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« Reply #88 on: May 23, 2008, 05:00:19 AM »
No, I'm saying that I get mildly annoyed when people use internet fanboys as an ego-boosting tool and it happens here a ton.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #89 on: May 23, 2008, 05:41:57 AM »
No, I'm saying that I get mildly annoyed when people use internet fanboys as an ego-boosting tool and it happens here a ton.

Agreed.
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« Reply #90 on: May 23, 2008, 05:57:47 AM »
No, I'm saying that I get mildly annoyed when people use internet fanboys as an ego-boosting tool and it happens here a ton.

Sounds like something an Internet fanboy would say!
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #91 on: May 23, 2008, 06:13:37 AM »
Why does everyone think the other three Indiana Jones movies are good movies?  I enjoy them.  They're fun, and he's beating up Nazis and brujos... but they're not anywhere near the best movies I've ever seen.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #92 on: May 23, 2008, 06:21:22 AM »
No, I'm saying that I get mildly annoyed when people use internet fanboys as an ego-boosting tool and it happens here a ton.


looks like someone's a fanboy of internet fanboys
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #93 on: May 23, 2008, 07:10:58 AM »
Why does everyone think the other three Indiana Jones movies are good movies?  I enjoy them.  They're fun, and he's beating up Nazis and brujos... but they're not anywhere near the best movies I've ever seen.

Raiders is the only legit masterpiece and is one of the best movies of all time.  The other three are just enjoyable and fun summer movies that show signs of brilliance from the first one.  Except Temple of Doom.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #94 on: May 23, 2008, 10:14:31 AM »
Why does everyone think the other three Indiana Jones movies are good movies?  I enjoy them.  They're fun, and he's beating up Nazis and brujos... but they're not anywhere near the best movies I've ever seen.
That's because they are good movies. The first one in particular is an exceptionally well made film for it's time, and the other two are fun and imaginative adventure flicks.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #95 on: May 23, 2008, 07:58:58 PM »
Oh man, I went to see the new one today, and it is just WEIRD.  I feel bad for watching it.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #96 on: May 23, 2008, 08:08:20 PM »
I kinda liked the ending though, I thought it was cool.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #97 on: May 23, 2008, 11:09:21 PM »
I almost saw this today... but instead I caught Speed Racer for a third time  :lol I think I am 100% of the box office by this point  :rofl

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #98 on: May 24, 2008, 12:22:39 AM »
I haven't seen it yet. but my cousin apparently has. I also found out that my cousin -- a 20 year old male -- has NEVER seen any of the Indiana Jones movies. I was like WTF?!

Anyway, his exact words:

"I enjoyed the National Treasure movies more."

I told him he NEEDED to borrow my Indiana Jones set, but he took like 5 of my other DVDs instead, since this movie sucked so much.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2008, 10:01:33 AM »
Holy fucking shit, worst goddamn movie I've seen in the past year.

This was NOT Indiana Jones. This was National fucking Treasure 3.
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« Reply #100 on: May 24, 2008, 10:56:56 AM »
I saw it yesterday, it was alright, save for
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« Reply #101 on: May 24, 2008, 01:07:40 PM »
I probably won't see this movie.  Even folks with the blinders on (Cheebs, ManaByte) haven't had a glowing review - it's been stuff like, "Hey, this is like the third or fourth best Indiana Jones adventure!  I mean, it might not be as good as the older ones, but it's got Indiana Jones and it was entertaining from start to finish!"

When that's your ceiling and the bottom is, "This was National fucking Treasure 3" - I think I might pass.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #102 on: May 24, 2008, 02:37:50 PM »
What's with all the goddamn prairie dogs in the beginning of the film?
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #103 on: May 24, 2008, 02:39:06 PM »
I probably won't see this movie.  Even folks with the blinders on (Cheebs, ManaByte) haven't had a glowing review - it's been stuff like, "Hey, this is like the third or fourth best Indiana Jones adventure!  I mean, it might not be as good as the older ones, but it's got Indiana Jones and it was entertaining from start to finish!"

When that's your ceiling and the bottom is, "This was National fucking Treasure 3" - I think I might pass.

Will, when the movie was over I turned to Nikki and my friends and said this:
Please do me a favor. Let's never discuss the last two hours of my life again.

And I guarantee you'd feel the same way. Just stand strong, and don't watch this filth.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #104 on: May 24, 2008, 02:44:40 PM »
My friend called, who is a diehard Indiana Jones fanboy, and left a message that started off with:

"The first fucking shot, Will - the first fucking shot! - is CG.  Fuck you, movie."
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #105 on: May 24, 2008, 03:10:39 PM »
No, I'm saying that I get mildly annoyed when people use internet fanboys as an ego-boosting tool and it happens here a ton.


Hey, aren't you the guy who sucked GAF mod anus for 4-5 years of your life in IRC chat?   :'(

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« Reply #106 on: May 24, 2008, 03:12:44 PM »
My friend called, who is a diehard Indiana Jones fanboy, and left a message that started off with:

"The first fucking shot, Will - the first fucking shot! - is CG.  Fuck you, movie."


I blame Lucas pushing his digital shit on Speilberg.  Speilberg has ALWAYS been a traditionalist.  I hope he realizes his mistake.


Then again, one of his upcoming films is a TinTin movie in 3d(like Beowulf).  He better fucking get his shit prepared for that green screen flick.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #107 on: May 24, 2008, 03:18:29 PM »
FancyFeast, knock your GAF mod vendetta shit off, please.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #108 on: May 24, 2008, 09:16:02 PM »
This is it? This is what it took 19 years, script rejection after script rejection, and lots of debate between George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, and Harrison Ford as to what a fourth Indy movie should be? This is the idea that finally united them? Warning: knowing that it took so long for them to agree on a script, and that this is the best they could come up with, means I’m going to be extra hard on it.

Wow, this movie sucks. It’s like, Hook bad. Hell, it makes Temple of Doom look like a passable movie. The plot is distinguished mentally-challenged, it plays more like a screwball comedy than an adventure movie, there is never any sense of danger (which strips the film of any sort of thrills), the callbacks are predictable and annoying (Marion could also have been cut from this wholesale; making Mutt Indy’s son just seemed like a convenient way to shoehorn her character into the movie), Indy has become Basil Exposition, the new characters have the depth of the shallow end of the kiddies pool (and John Hurt looks like he is just continuing his performance from The Proposition), the cinematography is way off base for an Indy movie (its predictably Kaminski-ed; washed out color palettes and weird, “bloomy” lighting), effects work is shoddy for ILM’s standards (and there is far too much CGI), it uses some of the oldest film clichés out there, hell, even the action scenes, which are Spielberg’s bread and butter, are bland and uninspiring (actually, I felt overall this war far from Spielberg’s finest hour behind the camera). I don’t even know what to say about the A-bomb scene, the CG gophers, the Tarzan scene, the aliens, John William’s forgettable score, or the cheesy wedding. Raiders is a classic, Temple is crappy but watchable, and Last Crusade is a lesser Raiders retread held afloat by Sean Connery’s performance. Skull has none of these traits. And what in god’s name is Cate Blanchett doing in this? She is far too talented for this production.

If I had to mine a few positives out of this turd, they would be a few decent visual gags (I liked Indy going from Mutt’s bike into the enemy car and back again), the chemistry between Shia and Harrison, and the art design.

In terms of the three summer movies I’ve seen thusfar, Crystal Skull is at the bottom of the heap, quite a bit below both Speed Racer and Iron Man. In terms of Indy movies, Raiders >>>> Last > Temple > Skull.


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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #109 on: May 24, 2008, 09:36:56 PM »
you guys are doing a great job of discouraging me from seeing this
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #110 on: May 24, 2008, 09:40:20 PM »
yeah, thanks solo.  I almost convinced myself to see it tomorrow but that won't be the case now.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #111 on: May 24, 2008, 09:42:32 PM »
Hey man, different strokes. For all you know, you'll love it. Personally, as you could tell, I found it almost offensively awful.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #112 on: May 24, 2008, 09:43:22 PM »
nah, you seemed to point out the things I was wary about.  So I think I'm good.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #113 on: May 24, 2008, 09:47:53 PM »
same - this sounds like the Indy Prequel I was dreading, all rewarmed nostalgia and no purpose or heart
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #114 on: May 24, 2008, 10:05:46 PM »
And there are 2 more Indy movies in the pipeline. Its the prequels all over again, but marginally better, due to Spielberg's involvment.

But yeah, its bad when the best thing about the movie was Shia.

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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #115 on: May 24, 2008, 10:30:37 PM »
I really like it. There were some things in the movie that didn't sit too well with me [inexplicably CG ground hogs, vine swinging, and some problems with the meshing of live action and CG in the jungle chase], but I liked just about everything else. Shia LeBouf ended up actually making a likable character and his interactions with an aging, but still perfectly able Indy worked well, which was buoyed by mostly good dialog. Most of the major action scenes were well done for the most part, with only a few oddities here and there.

Not everyone will appreciate some of the differences that it brings to the table, or the ending, although I quite liked it, but it was worth the money that I paid for it and I'll gladly watch it again once the DVD hits.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #116 on: May 24, 2008, 10:33:18 PM »
I saw it yesterday, it was alright, save for
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Yeah, that was definitely the worst part. Other than that, I liked it. It wasn't OMG AMAZING, but it was solid. It was better than the Mummy movies, so let's stop joking that The Mummy 3 directed by ROB F'ING COHEN is somehow going to be better. On the Indiana Jones Scale of Rose Tinted Childhood Nostaligia, I'd give it a 7, on the Summer Action/Adventure Blockbuster Scale I'd give it a 9, so let's split the difference and give it an 8/10.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #117 on: May 24, 2008, 10:36:47 PM »
See Mupepe? For every person who hates it, there is one who loves it. Go see it for yourself and decide.

Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #118 on: May 24, 2008, 11:36:46 PM »
I saw it yesterday, it was alright, save for
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the horrible monkey vine swinging scene
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Yeah, that was definitely the worst part. Other than that, I liked it. It wasn't OMG AMAZING, but it was solid. It was better than the Mummy movies, so let's stop joking that The Mummy 3 directed by ROB F'ING COHEN is somehow going to be better. On the Indiana Jones Scale of Rose Tinted Childhood Nostaligia, I'd give it a 7, on the Summer Action/Adventure Blockbuster Scale I'd give it a 9, so let's split the difference and give it an 8/10.

Yeah, there were clearly some things I have issues with, and I don't have a burning desire to see it again, but I enjoyed it.
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Re: The Indiana Jones: KOTCS thread of "won't be as good as Speed Racer"
« Reply #119 on: May 25, 2008, 12:28:42 AM »
Jesus. I'm not gonig to argue with people saying it sucks or its good or whatever, I thought it was entertaining, but there's definitely a lot of CG to hate and all that. What's annoying is people who spend more fucking time on the computer arguing whether they should see it or not, when they could have already WENT AND WATCHED IT.  :duh