Author Topic: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack (Read 17164 times)

Vizzys · « **Reply #60 on:** June 18, 2008, 01:38:34 PM »

hmm Im level 9 and I can kill the FOEs on floor 2, although if my party gets confused its pretty much game over

still cant beat that guy on floor 1, he just hits too hard.

anyway I think that bow quest sucks, apparently the bent twig is found on floor 3, which makes no sense considering you can make hildi, a better bow using floor 2 materials

Vizzys · « **Reply #61 on:** June 18, 2008, 04:14:40 PM »

yep every round in a random encounter is a move for a nearby FOE

Vizzys · « **Reply #62 on:** June 18, 2008, 04:27:59 PM »

haha I just used the FORCE skills for the first time

instead of boost like in EO1 you get these really powerful special skills when a bar fills instead (it takes forever), my alchemist used something called eschaton, which just did 1100 something damage

came right at the perfect time too, I was fighting this ladybug looking thing on floor three when it called for help and this huge screen filling man-eating looking flower thing came

I was like oh shit

then bam-insta kill

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #63 on:** June 18, 2008, 05:00:17 PM »

Thats awesome. EO is awesome. May EO get sequels forever

Vizzys · « **Reply #64 on:** June 18, 2008, 05:04:32 PM »

it was

I tried grinding near an FOE to do it again but this time I got owned

it took a good chunk but not enough

muckhole · « **Reply #65 on:** June 18, 2008, 05:36:44 PM »

Managed to finally snag a copy today. Anything I should know before I fire it up for my first playthrough? I never got to play part one.

Vizzys · « **Reply #66 on:** June 18, 2008, 05:40:18 PM »

Well it also seems a bit harder, both in difficulty and getting items to sell for cash.

Stalkers make a return on floor 3 of this game and that's also what almost killed me. I got away at the last second and warped out. They look cooler. Pretty much all the art looks better.

I just learned some FOE's cant be stopped using the previously mentioned haltshot skill. Grinding is made a bit easier using the auto battle function. Its a good balanced difficulty

Much better than the first already.

Vizzys · « **Reply #67 on:** June 18, 2008, 05:44:45 PM »

thats up to you, I really liked the last bits of EO1, the story although minimal really shines there.
There doesnt seem to be many connections between the two games yet story wise, but im sure they will be revealed with time

skip the optional stuff though, its pretty relentless

Crushed · « **Reply #68 on:** June 19, 2008, 12:41:02 PM »

http://ds.ign.com/articles/882/882691p1.html

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only the hardest of hardcore RPG fans will get enjoyment out of it. As we originally said with the first game, if we gave this title to ten players, maybe one or two would get into it

Sounds shitty.

demi · « **Reply #69 on:** June 19, 2008, 12:44:21 PM »

I did a run in EO1 last night, got some nice grinding done thanks to those two chicks healing... I am level 31, I am gonna do a run and try to take on Cernerous

Vizzys · « **Reply #70 on:** June 19, 2008, 01:39:23 PM »

ok I got to the second stratum last night

the boss was a bitch and a half though, beat at level 17

anyway the beast class is pretty awesome, switched out my war mage for it. No regrets so far.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #71 on:** June 19, 2008, 03:23:45 PM »

Quote from: Crushed on June 19, 2008, 12:41:02 PM

http://ds.ign.com/articles/882/882691p1.html
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only the hardest of hardcore RPG fans will get enjoyment out of it. As we originally said with the first game, if we gave this title to ten players, maybe one or two would get into it

Sounds shitty.

fuck you, thats becuase most gamers as pansy ass feggits apparently

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #72 on:** June 19, 2008, 05:48:21 PM »

Quote from: Scenester on June 19, 2008, 03:23:45 PM

Quote from: Crushed on June 19, 2008, 12:41:02 PM
http://ds.ign.com/articles/882/882691p1.html
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only the hardest of hardcore RPG fans will get enjoyment out of it. As we originally said with the first game, if we gave this title to ten players, maybe one or two would get into it

Sounds shitty.

fuck you, thats becuase most gamers as pansy ass feggits apparently

Pansy ass feggits that like to sit and watch cutscenes in lieu of PLAYING GAMES. feggits piss me off!

The Sceneman · « **Reply #73 on:** June 19, 2008, 06:35:29 PM »

feggits that like playing Gears online but cant handle getting raped by FOEs

feggits

demi · « **Reply #74 on:** June 19, 2008, 06:38:19 PM »

WHEN CAN I GET MY BEAR

Vizzys · « **Reply #75 on:** June 19, 2008, 06:52:45 PM »

after you beat the first stratum boss you can

Kestastrophe · « **Reply #76 on:** June 19, 2008, 07:01:17 PM »

Quote from: Crushed on June 19, 2008, 12:41:02 PM

http://ds.ign.com/articles/882/882691p1.html
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only the hardest of hardcore RPG fans will get enjoyment out of it. As we originally said with the first game, if we gave this title to ten players, maybe one or two would get into it

The same thing could be said about MGS4, yet they gave it a 10.

IGN

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #77 on:** June 19, 2008, 08:36:15 PM »

I fucking hate IGN

Tucah · « **Reply #78 on:** June 19, 2008, 08:47:19 PM »

Progressing slowly, but really enjoying the game. Finally beat the FOEs on floor 2

GilloD · « **Reply #79 on:** June 20, 2008, 04:43:02 PM »

Jsus christ, this game isn't kidding. I got WIPED about 20 seconds in. I love it.

demi · « **Reply #80 on:** June 20, 2008, 05:29:19 PM »

Quote from: Kosma on June 20, 2008, 07:24:03 AM

That dedicated logging party is really making me rich Demi. Thanks a million.

Edit: FOE's respawn :'(

I wouldnt really rely on it too much, you get mass cheese deeper in the forest. There are some FOEs on Floor 10 I fought (Armoth) and they sometimes drop Great Tusks, which give you 1400, and I farmed about 5 of them my last run

Just make sure you have Immunize 10 for your Medic, and the game should be more cake for you.

archie4208 · « **Reply #81 on:** June 20, 2008, 08:12:29 PM »

EO2 is so much harder than the first one. I'm constantly broke and don't even have enough money to stay at inns. :'(

TVC15 · « **Reply #82 on:** June 20, 2008, 08:37:28 PM »

Quote from: Kosma on June 20, 2008, 07:24:03 AM

Edit: FOE's respawn :'(

They do? I've been wiping them out one by one on the second floor with no respawning so far.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #83 on:** June 20, 2008, 08:45:18 PM »

MY COPY FINALLY SHIPPED

Vizzys · « **Reply #84 on:** June 20, 2008, 09:07:25 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on June 20, 2008, 08:37:28 PM

Quote from: Kosma on June 20, 2008, 07:24:03 AM
Edit: FOE's respawn :'(

They do? I've been wiping them out one by one on the second floor with no respawning so far.

in the last game it took ingame 14 days for some to respawn

also i learned boss FOE's give EXP, I just killed chimera a third time

the second stratum is much harder. haha

The Sceneman · « **Reply #85 on:** June 20, 2008, 09:12:06 PM »

from what I read EO2 sounds more banging than the first. Cant wait!

GilloD · « **Reply #86 on:** June 20, 2008, 10:55:14 PM »

Quote from: Scenester on June 20, 2008, 09:12:06 PM

from what I read EO2 sounds more banging than the first. Cant wait!

The core gameplay is exactly the same, but the it looks better and the little details really add up. Expansion pack is exactly right, but it also just feels "fuller". Post in my Builds thread, I need advice!

demi · « **Reply #87 on:** June 22, 2008, 02:17:46 AM »

I just hit Azure Rainforest... am I required to step on all the pitfalls for mapping these floors?

The Sceneman · « **Reply #88 on:** June 22, 2008, 02:40:31 AM »

yeah... some areas you can only access via the pitfalls iirc

Vizzys · « **Reply #89 on:** June 22, 2008, 02:09:35 PM »

I would just like to warn you guys

you are not supposed to kill that fire breathing lizard on the 8th floor. You are supposed to lure him away and go around him to find a fire plume on one of the ! squares (the leftmost one).

Then warp wire out. or if you dont have one there is a secret passage below the second ! square

demi · « **Reply #90 on:** June 22, 2008, 02:24:16 PM »

whats with these quests i'm getting that require me to be later in the game? smh

"Find Edan's treasure! It only requires you kill a fucking Golem that's really fucking strong!"

"Find me this silver! It only requires you dig in the lowest depths of the dungeon!"

(EO1, btw)

Vizzys · « **Reply #91 on:** June 22, 2008, 02:48:09 PM »

Golem was hard as fuck, wait till near end game if you want and hes much easier.

he has a rare drop if you use OHKO (ronin insta-kill attack) which gives you a good item for ronin

GilloD · « **Reply #92 on:** June 23, 2008, 09:35:06 PM »

How am I supposed to get another Lure Bell?

Narag · « **Reply #93 on:** June 24, 2008, 03:31:39 AM »

Mine arrived today as well.

I'm a big wuss and just recreated my EO party as I'm familiar with stuff that way and spent like 90 minutes grinding on the first floor.

Going to lose a lot of time to this game!

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #94 on:** June 24, 2008, 12:46:29 PM »

So, my shiny new blue & black DS showed up this morning. I've been waiting on this for a while- I actually went ahead and bought EO2 last week in preparation. I went ahead and plugged it in, and fired up the game.

Early impressions: OMG FUCK AWESOME. Fun to explore and mapmaking is pretty kewl. Combat is awesome, got to make sure my party of scrubs (I created one of each class but went with a Ronin, LandsKnecht, Gunner, War Magus and Alchemist initially) stays alive tho. I was doing pretty well on the training mission, but after I thought I had the area mapped out I went back to the guard and tried to go back to town. I only had about three medicas left and my war magus was low on TP so I wasn't gonna be doing much more curing. After stumbling around the dungeon a bit more and things getting dire (out of medica and TP) I realized something was missing on my map... my stupid ass had forgotten to draw in the walls.

Yup, I'm a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Oh well, got out alive and sold off my loot, now it's time to go back in and explore some more.

Vizzys · « **Reply #95 on:** June 24, 2008, 03:27:07 PM »

Quote from: GilloD on June 23, 2008, 09:35:06 PM

How am I supposed to get another Lure Bell?

you have to sell a certain item to get them

im pretty sure its something from the first stratum you chop or take

GilloD · « **Reply #96 on:** June 24, 2008, 03:50:28 PM »

Quote from: Viz on June 24, 2008, 03:27:07 PM

Quote from: GilloD on June 23, 2008, 09:35:06 PM
How am I supposed to get another Lure Bell?

you have to sell a certain item to get them

im pretty sure its something from the first stratum you chop or take

That's what the town guy told me, but I can't find shit to chop on 1F. I have a gathering party

Vizzys · « **Reply #97 on:** June 24, 2008, 04:01:49 PM »

dunno, well:

what I did to my team of gatherers was

get them all to lvl 10, which takes about an hour or so, then I maxed out mine, take and chop with the back few some two maxxed at a time

and put 10 points into stalker on one front guy giving me pretty much 0 encounters in either stratum

and then I put the last guys points into ambush, so even if i did get jumped I could double attack or run .

just gotta watch out for those ambushes at a gathering point really and avoid FOE's and its all easy money

GilloD · « **Reply #98 on:** June 24, 2008, 04:18:48 PM »

Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on June 24, 2008, 03:57:19 PM

be careful with gathering parties.

My team gets RAPED by anything. I just run a lot and use the 1F points. I can make about 150+ a run

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #99 on:** June 25, 2008, 11:28:51 AM »

At what levels did you guys start killing the Furyhorns/Ragelopes on Floor 2? I killed the dinosaur on the first floor but now I don't want to pussyfoot around the guys on the 2nd floor anymore. I'm about level 9 for my main party (Ronin/Landknecht/War Magus/Survivalist/Alchemist). Sucks that you don't get xp from FOEs, tho.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #100 on:** June 25, 2008, 12:14:26 PM »

Ronins are the coolest. Lots n lots of offense but shitty defense. Actually, my team IS based on overwhelming force now that I think about it. Although they're pretty much dictated by what bad ass weapons I was able to get early, which explains why my Survivalist is in the party (hildi) instead of my gunner. Well, sounds like it's time to clear me some furyhorns then.

Also: has anyone else abused the cost of saving at the inn? I finally got tired of paying 40+ en just to sleep, so I created a bunch of level 1 scrubs named s1 through s5 for the sole purpose of staying at the inn. I'm super cheap!

Mondain · « **Reply #101 on:** June 25, 2008, 02:47:25 PM »

I like EO because the stats system is incredibly deep and full of options, the exploration of dungeons gives you a great feeling of discovery and adventuring, and because all in all it's quite lighthearted and relaxing

Vizzys · « **Reply #102 on:** June 25, 2008, 03:32:35 PM »

I finally defeated hellion last night

third stratum is pretty cool if you know what I mean

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #103 on:** June 25, 2008, 04:30:43 PM »

I decided to scarp my initial "Pinksock" guild and start over since I have a better idea of what's going on now (that and I found a password so I could get the Town Crown. Yeah, I'm cheap). I'm currently focusing on getting three survivalists into lumberjack mode so I can make the real fuck monies, in addition to leveling up what will probably be my main team of Ronin/Landsknecht/War Magus/Gunner/ and either a Hexer, Alchemist or another Gunner. I'm thinking of doing two gunners, I can cover all three elements that way (Ronin is fire, Gunners are Volt and Ice). Plus Gunners are just ace.

GilloD · « **Reply #104 on:** June 25, 2008, 04:47:17 PM »

How do you roll without a Medic?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #105 on:** June 25, 2008, 06:03:39 PM »

Quote from: GilloD on June 25, 2008, 04:47:17 PM

How do you roll without a Medic?

War Magus, of course it's still early and I'm at the beginning of the game so I might need a medic in the future, dunno. I made one medic and took him out to grind some more when the War Magus was out of TP to heal, then since the day hadn't ended I ended up making another medic when that one was spent just to throw away on some grinding. I loves me some grinding!

FA- haha, yeah I loooves me some offense. BAM BAM YOU DEAD SUCKA. I'm moderately worried that I'm missing out on a bunch of status affect characters (hexer, dark hunter) that I'll need later in the game if I can't resolve a situation with brute force. But for now, the ASSWHOOPING continues. Plus gunners can use skills that bind, blind, poison etc so maybe I'll be ok, especially if I end up running with two gunner. Hmmm.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #106 on:** June 25, 2008, 06:08:42 PM »

Also, I took my lumberjacks out with my Ronin and Dark Magus just now to sweep the first floor clean of precious plant fiber to sell, and when I went up to the top left resource point after taking like one flower this big mutant plant thing just showed up and killed off the Ronin and War Magus before I could run the fuck away. So now there I am, far away from the exit with no warp wire (doh), both of my damage dealers dead, (one of which was my healer, too) and only one item harvested. I've got a bunch of wimpy ass survivalists with nothing but daggers. I decided to keep harvesting and try to get back to town, knowing my success would be contingent on being able to RUN THE FUCK AWAY from any potential fights since I had sunk ALL of the survivalists points into resource harvesting. I just barely made it and was able to sell off all the shit and revive my two bad asses. Now to switch out the lumberjacks for the rest of my A-Team and whip some more ass!

Vizzys · « **Reply #107 on:** June 25, 2008, 06:26:40 PM »

just got to floor 12

its like Im playing chips challenge or some shit again

anyone remember that game, it was awesome

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #108 on:** June 25, 2008, 07:22:39 PM »

Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on June 25, 2008, 07:05:52 PM

Raoul, after you max your gathering abilities with your survivalists, you'll probably want to focus (with both) on the skill that increases your preemptive chance. Also, if you're making a lumber co. of weaklings, I'd put the 1 pt into escape for each. I hate wasting points on stuff that's not super essential, but it should reduce some of the headaches. Also, stalker I believe is much better in this than the original and can really really reduce the chance of an encounter.

Early on tho, all you can really do is throw all your points in gathering and hope for the best. I'm sure you'll remember warp wires from now on

Well, the sad thing is that I was only on the first floor AND I had sent along my two best damage dealers (Ronin hitting for about 45 and War Magus hitting for about 50 with her super staff and the town crown). But that mutant flower just raped the shit out of them like it was nothing! On the first floor, too. smh.

I did invest in a bad ass bow (Hindi) for one of my survivalists, tho, so now one of them can deal some damage.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #109 on:** June 26, 2008, 02:22:40 AM »

Quote from: Viz on June 25, 2008, 06:26:40 PM

just got to floor 12

its like Im playing chips challenge or some shit again

anyone remember that game, it was awesome

my firend liked it so much he made a flash animation of 'chips challange 3d' lol

MY COPY JUST ARRIVED
as well as this:

fun night ahead, Polari is coming over and Ive got weed and beer

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #110 on:** June 26, 2008, 07:52:31 AM »

Fucking Furyhorns. I could beat them fairly easily IF THEY DIDN'T USE GODDAMN STEP ON ME. So it's time to fuck around with a gunner build that can bind those assholes and let my peoples do their thing.

Most of the powergaming, basement dwelling gamefaqs crowd seems to be using a party build that consists of War Magus/Dark Hunter/Hexer/Gunner and either a Ronin or Landsknecht. The interplay between the War Magus/Dark Hunter/Hexer trio is supposed to be fuck awesome, allowing you to house bosses/FOEs. The good news for me is that it would be fairly easy to sub out say Dark Hunter for Landsknecht and Hexer for Alchemist to use that build if necessary but I'm gonna continue to try and do my thing with my build.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #111 on:** June 27, 2008, 10:50:34 PM »

omggggg

game is amazing, confirmed better than EO1. All the extra touches are the icing on the cake eg. more mapping tools, stats show when buying gear etc. Its definitely harder than the first, still havent gotten off 1f lol. Havent had a chance to have good session yet, hopefully I'll make some progress today

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #112 on:** June 28, 2008, 10:10:50 PM »

How's the save system in this game?

The Sceneman · « **Reply #113 on:** June 28, 2008, 10:59:22 PM »

its better than the 1st, as you can suspend save while in the dungeon.

Narag · « **Reply #114 on:** June 28, 2008, 11:06:53 PM »

Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on June 26, 2008, 10:03:18 AM

I've never used a bind on an enemy ever. I always imagine those kind of skills always suck in RPGs on bosses...but if they actually work I might make a secondary party and give it a shot.

They're decent effects and can prevent high damage attacks from enemies. Dark Hunter has the bonus of that massive damage attack when the enemy is completely bound and her Force whatever binds stuff completely which can give one a turn or two to set up.

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #115 on:** June 28, 2008, 11:17:43 PM »

Quote from: Scenester on June 28, 2008, 10:59:22 PM

its better than the 1st, as you can suspend save while in the dungeon.

Cool...thanks.

I guess it doesn't really matter anyway as you can just close the system.

Narag · « **Reply #116 on:** June 28, 2008, 11:31:13 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 28, 2008, 11:17:43 PM

Quote from: Scenester on June 28, 2008, 10:59:22 PM
its better than the 1st, as you can suspend save while in the dungeon.

Cool...thanks.

I guess it doesn't really matter anyway as you can just close the system.

What if you wanted to play something else!

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #117 on:** June 28, 2008, 11:40:49 PM »

Quote from: Narag on June 28, 2008, 11:06:53 PM

Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on June 26, 2008, 10:03:18 AM
I've never used a bind on an enemy ever. I always imagine those kind of skills always suck in RPGs on bosses...but if they actually work I might make a secondary party and give it a shot.

They're decent effects and can prevent high damage attacks from enemies. Dark Hunter has the bonus of that massive damage attack when the enemy is completely bound and her Force whatever binds stuff completely which can give one a turn or two to set up.

Yeah, DH are sickness incarnate later in the game. Also, after looking askance at Troubadours as "fegs with lutes" for most of my playthrough, I noticed something interesting... when you're grinding, you want to maximize the xp you're getting and get as many encounters as possible. The Fagadour does that for you! The Divinity skill when maxed out gives your party 125% of the xp from battles, and the Danger skill increases the random encounter rate. I wouldn't actually USE a Troubadour during my playthrough while exploring, but for grinding (especially in a four person party where you're trying to build one character up) the Troubadour is THE accessory to travel with.

The game is actually pretty good at making you utilize lots of character classes- Troubadours for grinding, Survivalists for lumberjacking so you're not a filthy poor, Landsknechts for the early game and Dark Hunters/Hexers for the mid-late game. I understand that they were pretty useful in the first game but I can't find a use for Protectors other than sucking and not dealing damage. I want fights to be over as quick as possible, who gives a shit if Protectors can help prolong battles? Fuck you buddy.

I'm toying with some beasts right now- Mange the Wolf, Colbert the Bear and Maurice the Stupid Panda. There's just lots to DO in this game. Totally my GOTY of 2008, even Fire Emblem DS which I plan on importing is gonna have a hard time unseating this. But then again, there's always Viva Pinata portable, where I can finally realize my dreams of a forced communist utopia in which the unruly are bashed to death with a shovel and fed to their children.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #118 on:** June 29, 2008, 04:44:45 AM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 28, 2008, 11:17:43 PM

Quote from: Scenester on June 28, 2008, 10:59:22 PM
its better than the 1st, as you can suspend save while in the dungeon.

Cool...thanks.

I guess it doesn't really matter anyway as you can just close the system.

yeah you can do that, but Ive got an old DS phat with limited battery life, cant leave it sleeping for too long I sohuld really upgrade to ds lite, but that costs $$$. i figure theres another redesign coming in the near future anyway

The Sceneman · « **Reply #119 on:** June 30, 2008, 05:18:01 AM »

okay advice time....

basically my party is getting completely shat on.

Im using front row Ronin, Landswhatever and War Magus

Back row Gunner and Medic

focusing all skill points on good offensive skills, I have a gathering team of survivalists so Im never short of cash and have the best equipment I can buy... but Im still making like, two steps worth of progress every time I head into the dungeon, theres just too many baddies that can one shot a character.... am I shit or is this game just tough as nails? I dont remember ever getting raped this hard in EO1.

any advice on War Magus builds or is it a turd class, I cant figure out what I should be spending points on really. I hear protectors suck in this game so I decided to give them a miss and instead go for all out offense

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Author Topic: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack (Read 17164 times)