Author Topic: May NPD (Read 26211 times)

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #120 on:** June 13, 2008, 12:25:52 PM »

As a PC gamer, I don't get why you'd find tons of appeal in the kind of designs that flourish on the PC and then be able to turn around and enjoy the kind of stuff on the Wii. Unless all you play on the PC are casual games and console ports, I suppose. They appeal to totally different sorts of gamers, you aren't going to find a huge overlap between people who play WoW for hours on end or hardcore strategy games and people who play Wii Play and Wii Sports for fun.

PS3+PC should make the most sense but oh god in heaven does the PS3 library suck total donkey.

Crushed · « **Reply #121 on:** June 13, 2008, 12:28:06 PM »

Quote from: Fragamemnon on June 13, 2008, 12:25:52 PM

As a PC gamer, I don't get why you'd find tons of appeal in the kind of designs that flourish on the PC and then be able to turn around and enjoy the kind of stuff on the Wii. Unless all you play on the PC are casual games and console ports, I suppose. They appeal to totally different sorts of gamers, you aren't going to find a huge overlap between people who play WoW for hours on end or hardcore strategy games and people who play Wii Play and Wii Sports for fun.

PS3+PC should make the most sense but oh god in heaven does the PS3 library suck total donkey.

I'm a PC gamer too, and I love my Wii.

Switching between Team Fortress 2 and MLaaK or Mario Galaxy is awesome, or Crysis and Metroid Prime.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #122 on:** June 13, 2008, 12:36:00 PM »

I don't see why I can't enjoy Civ 3 and Mario Galaxy.q

evilromero · « **Reply #123 on:** June 13, 2008, 01:28:28 PM »

There's a lot of bitter tears in here, which is a shame. And somebody said Civ 4. GREAT soundtrack. Get it.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #124 on:** June 13, 2008, 01:31:05 PM »

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Quote from: Borys on June 13, 2008, 03:10:46 AM

I don't get you people.

PC + Wii is the best combo this gen.

You play all multiplatform titles in superb quality AND you get to play Metroid, Zelda and Mario games.

Plus, if you are into jRPGs then you have to get 360.

You only need two systems-- the one that plays MGS4 and the one that plays NGII.

and a high quality PC to experience everything else properly.

but it would be swell if NGII and MGS4 got PC ports

Brehvolution · « **Reply #125 on:** June 13, 2008, 01:43:16 PM »

Quote from: Crushed on June 13, 2008, 01:17:33 AM

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There is volumes of truth in this.

absafuckinfantastic!!

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #126 on:** June 13, 2008, 02:01:13 PM »

Xbox 360 under 200k is wow, just sad.

And the software top 10, ugh, Nintendo is ruining gaming. Well whatever, back to MGS4.

demi · « **Reply #127 on:** June 13, 2008, 06:06:11 PM »

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/wii-thirdparty-struggles-highlighted-by-may-npd/?biz=1

Boom Blox only sold 60k to go along with all 671k Wiis... that about wraps it up for third party development

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #128 on:** June 13, 2008, 06:17:14 PM »

Boom Blox got lost behind the flood of huge games within the past couple of months and it certainly didn't help that EA did virtually nothing to promote it.

demi · « **Reply #129 on:** June 13, 2008, 06:35:12 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2008, 06:17:14 PM

Boom Blox got lost behind the flood of huge games within the past couple of months and it certainly didn't help that EA did virtually nothing to promote it.

What huge games? You did read the part where 671k people bought a Wii this month alone? There's a lot of people with just a Wii out there.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #130 on:** June 13, 2008, 06:42:33 PM »

See, this is what happens. Couple goes to store, decides to buy Wii because hey, the couple that they admire bought one. Dude checks out games to buy with the system, the chick notices this and says "oh it already comes with a game, so you can put those back," which the dude probably does because he's lame. They realize that they need more than one controller to be like those other Wii couples, so they also get WiiPlay. And that's it. Perhaps the odd game is bought from time to time, but generally, that Wii is a WiiSports player. And as the dude loses interest, it's up to the chick to buy the games. And women don't buy games. They may have games bought for them, but they do not buy games on their own.

Guitar Hero is the exception, but that's also one of those couple things, and a hold-over from the PS2 era.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #131 on:** June 13, 2008, 06:52:02 PM »

Quote from: demi on June 13, 2008, 06:35:12 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2008, 06:17:14 PM
Boom Blox got lost behind the flood of huge games within the past couple of months and it certainly didn't help that EA did virtually nothing to promote it.

What huge games? You did read the part where 671k people bought a Wii this month alone? There's a lot of people with just a Wii out there.

You don't think some of those 671k bought SSBB, Wii Fit, Mario Kart, or even Guitar Hero III? Not to mention that the Wii comes with a free game.

Quote from: duckman2000 on June 13, 2008, 06:42:33 PM

See, this is what happens. Couple goes to store, decides to buy Wii because hey, the couple that they admire bought one. Dude checks out games to buy with the system, the chick notices this and says "oh it already comes with a game, so you can put those back," which the dude probably does because he's lame. They realize that they need more than one controller to be like those other Wii couples, so they also get WiiPlay. And that's it. Perhaps the odd game is bought from time to time, but generally, that Wii is a WiiSports player. And as the dude loses interest, it's up to the chick to buy the games. And women don't buy games. They may have games bought for them, but they do not buy games on their own.

Guitar Hero is the exception, but that's also one of those couple things, and a hold-over from the PS2 era.

Even if you take out Wii Sports and Wii Play, the Wii had over 1.7 million software sales just in the top ten. The Xbox 360 only had 871,300 in the top ten.

demi · « **Reply #132 on:** June 13, 2008, 06:53:02 PM »

If they could find them

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #133 on:** June 13, 2008, 07:06:29 PM »

I thought of an awesome Real Gamer slogan

"Wii won. We lost."

I should make t-shirts

Bildi · « **Reply #134 on:** June 13, 2008, 07:07:53 PM »

I'm sure Boom Blox is very good, but it should be half the price.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #135 on:** June 13, 2008, 07:29:44 PM »

Quote from: Bildi on June 13, 2008, 07:07:53 PM

I'm sure Boom Blox is very good, but it should be half the price.

Yeah, they should have at least launched it at $40. Hopefully word of mouth keeps it around for a few more months.

Grecco · « **Reply #136 on:** June 13, 2008, 07:50:38 PM »

Carnival Games had shit advertisement and sold a million copies thanks to the low price.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #137 on:** June 13, 2008, 07:57:09 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on June 13, 2008, 06:37:51 PM

Remember when CoD4 and AC got lost on the 360 because of all the other huge games that came out for the system.

o wait

360 owners

quit being poor wii owners

Me

Bildi · « **Reply #138 on:** June 13, 2008, 08:35:18 PM »

Quote from: Grecco on June 13, 2008, 07:50:38 PM

Carnival Games had shit advertisement and sold a million copies thanks to the low price.

Exactly. Generally people will just not cough up a lot for a game like Boom Blox (puzzle game, funny name, funny design) no matter how good it is. You'd think publishers would be wise to this.

Casuals will go for the cheaper "Carnival Games", hardcore gamers will wait for the price to fall.

The game looks great and makes excellent use of the Wii - it's just got the wrong price point.

muckhole · « **Reply #139 on:** June 13, 2008, 08:52:18 PM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on June 13, 2008, 07:06:29 PM

I thought of an awesome Real Gamer slogan

"Wii won. We lost."

I should make t-shirts

That's actually pretty good!

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #140 on:** June 13, 2008, 09:05:51 PM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on June 13, 2008, 07:06:29 PM

I thought of an awesome Real Gamer slogan

"Wii won. We lost."

I should make t-shirts

Does it come pre-soaked in bitter tears, or do you have to add your own?

Grecco · « **Reply #141 on:** June 13, 2008, 09:10:39 PM »

Bitter tears sustain me.

MCD · « **Reply #142 on:** June 13, 2008, 09:20:57 PM »

i don't know about sega rally but VF5 was a port and isn't it a hardcore game?

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #143 on:** June 13, 2008, 09:21:57 PM »

VF isn't a hardcore game. My brother who hasn't owned a system since the N64 bought a PS3 recently because he wanted VF5.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #144 on:** June 13, 2008, 09:22:40 PM »

I woulda bought BBlox at $30 just for co op with my gf.

Hollywood · « **Reply #145 on:** June 13, 2008, 09:32:48 PM »

LOL - I love the jaded "real gamers" crying about the Wii. Good times. They basically shoved a red shell up your ass.

Lets see they could have did this:

- Spent a few hundred million to make a system as powerful as PS3 and 360, then people would have bitched about the online system.

- Spend a few ten million setting up an XBox Live style online infrastructure for all the games. Then people would bitch about the controller.

- Make a controller exactly the same as 360 and PS3 along with the current controller and come with every system. People would bitch there isn't enough matchur exclusives.

- Spend a few ten million getting matchur exclusives, then people would bitch their first party games are too cartoony, the system isn't aethestically pleasing, it doesn't have a cool enough name, etc, etc and not buy one anyway.

So they basically just said, fuck you, took a gamecube, upgraded it just a little bit, added a weird motion controller and threw out some random mainstream junk along with their traditional games and are rolling in the money.

I guess its quite traumatic to those geek gamers ... "Bu bu bu bubu shooting stuff is cool! space marines! futuristic badasses!! yea!!"

No bitch, looks like lore people care about moving a cartoony tennis racket around with a controller or doing yoga on a mat hooked to a TV than the 400th space alien/war shooter. Owned. This is comedy.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #146 on:** June 13, 2008, 09:36:10 PM »

I'm still against the Wii. $250 for a Gamecube? Go fuck yourself Nintendo.

abrader · « **Reply #147 on:** June 13, 2008, 09:49:06 PM »

this shyt is so funny..

I am actually really bored of my Wii and NDS again and thinking of packing it up so I can just get back to the playstation library full time,

I like little distractions like boom blox - but i only got so much time to game.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #148 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:19:28 PM »

Quote from: Hollywood on June 13, 2008, 09:32:48 PM

LOL - I love the jaded "real gamers" crying about the Wii. Good times. They basically shoved a red shell up your ass.

Lets see they could have did this:

- Spent a few hundred million to make a system as powerful as PS3 and 360, then people would have bitched about the online system.

- Spend a few ten million setting up an XBox Live style online infrastructure for all the games. Then people would bitch about the controller.

- Make a controller exactly the same as 360 and PS3 along with the current controller and come with every system. People would bitch there isn't enough matchur exclusives.

- Spend a few ten million getting matchur exclusives, then people would bitch their first party games are too cartoony, the system isn't aethestically pleasing, it doesn't have a cool enough name, etc, etc and not buy one anyway.

So they basically just said, fuck you, took a gamecube, upgraded it just a little bit, added a weird motion controller and threw out some random mainstream junk along with their traditional games and are rolling in the money.

I guess its quite traumatic to those geek gamers ... "Bu bu bu bubu shooting stuff is cool! space marines! futuristic badasses!! yea!!"

No bitch, looks like lore people care about moving a cartoony tennis racket around with a controller or doing yoga on a mat hooked to a TV than the 400th space alien/war shooter. Owned. This is comedy.

Nobody is denying that Wii is a financial success for Nintendo or popular with the mainstream. That doesn't mean I have to pretend to like it, however.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #149 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:28:54 PM »

I didn't buy Boom Blox. I guess I'm part of the problem

I believe that a Nintendo system modeled after the PS3 and 360 would have been a massive failure. It could even be argued that the PS3 and 360 share too similar of territories. A third system in their vein would have been a huge mistake.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #150 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:32:06 PM »

Boom Blox sucks so I don't mind.

Not surprising anyway, Nintendo grows the market by attracting non-gamers who will only buy whatever Nintendo advertises. I'd love to see what the first party share of software on the Wii is, wouldn't surprise me to see it being 60/40, where PS3/360 are more like 30/70.

Crushed · « **Reply #151 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:36:05 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on June 13, 2008, 10:32:06 PM

Boom Blox sucks so I don't mind.

Mupepe · « **Reply #152 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:42:59 PM »

Quote from: Hollywood on June 13, 2008, 09:32:48 PM

LOL - I love the jaded "real gamers" crying about the Wii. Good times. They basically shoved a red shell up your ass.

Lets see they could have did this:

- Spent a few hundred million to make a system as powerful as PS3 and 360, then people would have bitched about the online system.

- Spend a few ten million setting up an XBox Live style online infrastructure for all the games. Then people would bitch about the controller.

- Make a controller exactly the same as 360 and PS3 along with the current controller and come with every system. People would bitch there isn't enough matchur exclusives.

- Spend a few ten million getting matchur exclusives, then people would bitch their first party games are too cartoony, the system isn't aethestically pleasing, it doesn't have a cool enough name, etc, etc and not buy one anyway.

So they basically just said, fuck you, took a gamecube, upgraded it just a little bit, added a weird motion controller and threw out some random mainstream junk along with their traditional games and are rolling in the money.

I guess its quite traumatic to those geek gamers ... "Bu bu bu bubu shooting stuff is cool! space marines! futuristic badasses!! yea!!"

No bitch, looks like lore people care about moving a cartoony tennis racket around with a controller or doing yoga on a mat hooked to a TV than the 400th space alien/war shooter. Owned. This is comedy.

The Backstreet Boys sold millions of albums and were insanely popular. I guess that means they were quality music too.

Bildi · « **Reply #153 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:43:48 PM »

I do find people who are scared of the Wii amusing - that it will somehow kill off 'hardcore gaming'. The 360 has more games releasing than I can keep up with - moreso than previous generations.

I might not buy so many games on the Wii, but that's no different to the N64 or Gamecube. The tons of shovelware on the console doesn't bother me one bit, because the AAA quantity has been unaffected. We still get a few AAA games a year on the Nintendo console that we can't get anywhere else, like always.

Quote from: Crushed on June 13, 2008, 10:36:05 PM

Quote from: pilonv1 on June 13, 2008, 10:32:06 PM
Boom Blox sucks so I don't mind.

pilonv1 is down the line. He wouldn't troll it for no good reason.

demi · « **Reply #154 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:45:01 PM »

Wrestling sold millions too, I guess that's quality

Crushed · « **Reply #155 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:46:27 PM »

(looks at Hollywood's post)

Uh, I actually don't think he mentioned the quality of the Wii's games at all. In fact, it almost sounds like he thinks that it's all just yoga and minigames.

etiolate · « **Reply #156 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:57:21 PM »

Sony and MS see the gamer audience as dumbasses to be manipulated.

Nintendo sees the gamer audience as dumbasses that can just be ignored.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #157 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:58:53 PM »

Re: Boom Blox it would have been fine as a $15 Wii Ware game. As it is a nearly full priced retail product I think it's terrible.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #158 on:** June 13, 2008, 10:59:26 PM »

Quote from: etiolate on June 13, 2008, 10:57:21 PM

Sony and MS see the gamer audience as dumbasses to be manipulated.

Nintendo sees the gamer audience as dumbasses that can just be ignored.

winner. never go wrong pandering to the lowest common denominator, especially fat americans

Himu · « **Reply #159 on:** June 13, 2008, 11:04:24 PM »

portable gaming

the final bastion of hardcore gaming

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #160 on:** June 13, 2008, 11:04:42 PM »

Quote from: etiolate on June 13, 2008, 10:57:21 PM

Sony and MS see the gamer audience as dumbasses to be manipulated.

Nintendo sees the gamer audience as dumbasses that can just be ignored.

99.9% of gamers care more about hype than actual games anyway (see GTA4). Wii's got hype, baby!

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #161 on:** June 13, 2008, 11:17:40 PM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2008, 11:04:42 PM

Quote from: etiolate on June 13, 2008, 10:57:21 PM
Sony and MS see the gamer audience as dumbasses to be manipulated.

Nintendo sees the gamer audience as dumbasses that can just be ignored.

99.9% of gamers care more about hype than actual games anyway (see GTA4). Wii's got hype, baby!

I agree with this.

All the GTA4 hype that lasted for weeks before its release and I guarantee you that most stopped playing on a regular basis after a week. Most copies are probably gathering dust without a serious attempt to complete the game. They just liked shooting people, bragging about how "tizzight" the graphics were, and then it now rests up against the other hyped shit most people throw their money at.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #162 on:** June 13, 2008, 11:25:50 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on June 13, 2008, 11:04:24 PM

portable gaming

the final bastion of hardcore gaming

Will you learn bow2 you fucking nub

evilromero · « **Reply #163 on:** June 13, 2008, 11:29:22 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on June 13, 2008, 11:04:24 PM

portable gaming

the final bastion of hardcore gaming

I can't speak for PSP but the DS software has really slowed in the last year. There are still a number of good titles like Professor Layton and EO2 but for the most part far fewer quality games than 2005/2006.

drew · « **Reply #164 on:** June 13, 2008, 11:34:45 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on June 13, 2008, 11:04:24 PM

portable gaming

the final bastion of hardcore gaming

[youtube=425,350]k6IgsKBX6V4[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]1L_BuzqN8jw[/youtube]

lol

Brehvolution · « **Reply #165 on:** June 14, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

Liv and Carrie

They are so cute. Who cares if they are overcome by non gaming.

Hollywood · « **Reply #166 on:** June 14, 2008, 12:51:09 AM »

Quote from: Crushed on June 13, 2008, 10:46:27 PM

(looks at Hollywood's post)

Uh, I actually don't think he mentioned the quality of the Wii's games at all. In fact, it almost sounds like he thinks that it's all just yoga and minigames.

Yeah exactly my point. I didn't even mention anything about "quality." What's funny in all this is the people bitching at Nintendo the past 10 years about consoles sales and joking on them, said the Wii was going to fail when the controller was announced - then the name announced, blah blah blah.

Now the same people who were laughing at Nintendo for not putting up the high console numbers wanna spin it and say "bubububu not a real console! bubububu its not quality!" Obviously the elitist gamers who live off of NPD and had a good time joking on Nintendo not being in first are completely devastated they don't have that anymore, and their "way" and precious system is relegated to the niche minority.

tiesto · « **Reply #167 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:00:44 AM »

Quote from: Fragamemnon on June 13, 2008, 12:25:52 PM

As a PC gamer, I don't get why you'd find tons of appeal in the kind of designs that flourish on the PC and then be able to turn around and enjoy the kind of stuff on the Wii. Unless all you play on the PC are casual games and console ports, I suppose. They appeal to totally different sorts of gamers, you aren't going to find a huge overlap between people who play WoW for hours on end or hardcore strategy games and people who play Wii Play and Wii Sports for fun.

PS3+PC should make the most sense but oh god in heaven does the PS3 library suck total donkey.

My friends in college were both PC and Nintendo fans, they took no interest whatsoever when I showed them Sega or Sony consoles. They didn't like anything like Soul Calibur, 2D fighters, most RPGs, Jet Set Radio, etc. They were mostly into RTS games

and stuff like Master Of Orion

and then at the same time they'd play Mario Tennis or SSBM. It's only on the Internet that I see so much anti-Nintendo vitriol, nowadays everybody I know in real life are all interested in the Wii and either own one or are planning on one, even if they have other systems (usually 360's) or haven't been into Nintendo since the SNES days.

drew · « **Reply #168 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:10:38 AM »

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 14, 2008, 12:39:50 AM

They are so cute. Who cares if they are overcome by non gaming.

Those commercials are the reason my sister wants a ds lite. Well, that and a bit of 6 Golden Coins nostalgia brought on by this:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[youtube=425,350]3wr-Gi8nvgo[/youtube]

[close]

Nintendo wins.

Himu · « **Reply #169 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:35:30 AM »

Quote from: evilromero on June 13, 2008, 11:29:22 PM

Quote from: Himuro on June 13, 2008, 11:04:24 PM
portable gaming

the final bastion of hardcore gaming

I can't speak for PSP but the DS software has really slowed in the last year. There are still a number of good titles like Professor Layton and EO2 but for the most part far fewer quality games than 2005/2006.

wtf are you talking about!

Band Bros.
Rythm Tengoku Gold
Final Fantasy IV
Dragon Quest IV
Etrian Odyssey 2

all in this one summer!

Himu · « **Reply #170 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:42:56 AM »

Quote from: Drewsy on June 13, 2008, 11:34:45 PM

Quote from: Himuro on June 13, 2008, 11:04:24 PM
portable gaming

the final bastion of hardcore gaming
lol

[youtube=425,350]-O-u06cmmAg[/youtube]

MCD · « **Reply #171 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:46:27 AM »

i really don't see the appeal of the FF DS remakes, ugly super deformed graphics ftl.

should have been 2d.

Crushed · « **Reply #172 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:53:06 AM »

Quote from: McDragon on June 14, 2008, 01:46:27 AM

i really don't see the appeal of the FF DS remakes, ugly super deformed graphics ftl.

should have been 2d.

Then it would have been a port of SNES super-deformed sprites.

Himu · « **Reply #173 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:53:18 AM »

FFIV ds looks good to me

Himu · « **Reply #174 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:54:10 AM »

Quote from: Crushed on June 14, 2008, 01:53:06 AM

Quote from: McDragon on June 14, 2008, 01:46:27 AM
i really don't see the appeal of the FF DS remakes, ugly super deformed graphics ftl.

should have been 2d.
Then it would have been a port of SNES super-deformed sprites.

Yeah and we've had those re released how many times?

FFIVr's graphic style reminds me of FFIX. I think that's a good thing.

MCD · « **Reply #175 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:55:53 AM »

i didn't even like crisis core graphics which was on a superior handheld, graphically speaking.

jaggy as fuck and really lifeless and empty, the wutai area looked like a dynasty warrior game lol.

Himu · « **Reply #176 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:58:45 AM »

i agree about crisis core

but ff4ds looks more full of life going by the gametrailers preview

i mean, you can actually go inside houses

I can't think of too many recent jrpgs, Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon aside that allow you to go in houses. That's a feature that seems to have been completely forgotten of.

Himu · « **Reply #177 on:** June 14, 2008, 02:00:31 AM »

a part of the reason Crisis Core looks lifeless is because we are biased. We have experienced the TRUE FF7 experience with pre rendered bgs. Like me and powerslave said before, FF7 without pre rendered bgs just isn't the same thing. Midgar looks like a SHIT HOLE without pre rendered bgs because half of what *MAKES* Midgar are the pre rendered bgs. It's the fucking detail that made it memorable, which added to the atmosphere immensely.

You can't do that with 3d graphics.

MCD · « **Reply #178 on:** June 14, 2008, 02:02:21 AM »

you can with a fixed camera like lost odyssey.

Himu · « **Reply #179 on:** June 14, 2008, 02:04:04 AM »

I agree there. But when it comes to stuff like FFXII all I see are shitty copy pasta environments which are flat out boring.

No jrpg has ever topped the art design of FFVII-X for me, and the pre rendered bgs are a part of the reason for that.

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