"Too Human... LOL NOT DIABLO III"

[Crushed]

http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/xbox-360/previews/131909.Too-Human/

While at first glance the gameplay seems very basic (and in some ways it is) there is some depth to it. This game could actually cater to a lot of different types of players. For RPG players there is a very deep loot system, and the combat could be simple if you have truly great gear. For more action-orientated players there is depth to the combat system, and even without the best loot you could still kick some butt and it would feel fairly satisfying.

If Blizzard had been developing Too Human and called it Diablo 3, it would be completely believable that this is the direction that series would take. The loot system is extremely similar, each class has a different skill tree and the combat has the same easy-to-use functionality, but it's more action packed and engaging; exactly where I imagine the next Diablo game will be going with its gameplay.

Silicon Knights.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Day one.

[Third]

Day NEVER.

[Crushed]

If Blizz was developing Too Human and called it Diablo 3 it would have more then 2 player co op.

True, but SK has always had a little trouble with polishing their games. 

[WrikaWrek]

All it needs now is a great story and we have something special.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

If Blizz was developing Too Human and called it Diablo 3, then they would have internally canned it after 18 months and gone back to the drawing board.

[y2kev]

NOT SAFE FOR GAF



HAUHAUAHUA

[cool breeze]

If Blizz was developing Too Human and called it Diablo 3, then they would have internally canned it after 18 months and gone back to the drawing board.

I can't believe how right you are about that.  Spot on.

And y2kev, I think fat jokes are now A-OK on gaf.  There is an entire thread about how Gerstmann is fat.

[Grecco]

Jeff did kinda fubar that Wii Fit score.

[Crushed]

What's with the "oh dis is teh gaf hate they hate everythingz they not fair to dis game" bullshit? You fucking hype some fucking game and if it doesn't live up to the hype, GAF is going to fucking bring the fucking hammer + fucking flying elbow down on it without blinking an eye, and please let's not resort to the whole "oh yeah it's a shit game but I have fun with it that's all that matters, the gameplay is SOLID/SERVICIBLE, the graphics aren't as shit as people think or the animations aren't as clunky as people say they are" fucking lower the bar bullshit.

guess who that was posted by

it's quite possibly the biggest pile of hypocrisy i've ever seen

[Crushed]

What's with the "oh dis is teh gaf hate they hate everythingz they not fair to dis game" bullshit? You fucking hype some fucking game and if it doesn't live up to the hype, GAF is going to fucking bring the fucking hammer + fucking flying elbow down on it without blinking an eye, and please let's not resort to the whole "oh yeah it's a shit game but I have fun with it that's all that matters, the gameplay is SOLID/SERVICIBLE, the graphics aren't as shit as people think or the animations aren't as clunky as people say they are" fucking lower the bar bullshit.

guess who that was posted by

it's quite possibly the biggest pile of hypocrisy i've ever seen

bish 

Nope, even worse.

[cool breeze]

What's with the "oh dis is teh gaf hate they hate everythingz they not fair to dis game" bullshit? You fucking hype some fucking game and if it doesn't live up to the hype, GAF is going to fucking bring the fucking hammer + fucking flying elbow down on it without blinking an eye, and please let's not resort to the whole "oh yeah it's a shit game but I have fun with it that's all that matters, the gameplay is SOLID/SERVICIBLE, the graphics aren't as shit as people think or the animations aren't as clunky as people say they are" fucking lower the bar bullshit.

guess who that was posted by

it's quite possibly the biggest pile of hypocrisy i've ever seen

RAWR

[Crushed]

rawr a game better live up to the hype or gaf will come down in it none of that lowering standards shit just because you like it rawr rawr

[y2kev]

jetjevons' game was pretty shitty tho

[cool breeze]

Who is jetjevons?

[demi]

Jevons was only on the publishing side... he works for Union, whatever they do

[cool breeze]

Oh.

The Darkness was awful.  The last half hour of the game was hilarious.  People insult MGS4 because of the cutscenes, but that shit was literally "walk 2 steps, here is a cutscene, wal...wait, another cutscene".  I had some decent elements, but it still sucked.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

The internet hate only makes me want it more.

[Jansen]

jesus christ in every fucking too human thread y2kev makes his way. hell, he even creates them for a game he has decided will suck balls.

[y2kev]

jesus christ in every fucking too human thread y2kev makes his way. hell, he even creates them for a game he has decided will suck balls.

i get a paycheck

[Jansen]

really? let me know how to get in on some of that action!

i didn't know that this game won't even have randomized dungeons. just different paths that open and enemy/treasure layouts.

not good. though nothing revealed about TH has been good so far. well save for the 4 player coop that they took away but didn't really take away cuz they didn't give it to us in the first place.

[Grecco]

Jet was behind Darkness?

 I thought he worked for Insmoniac? Resistance and Rachet? Isnt he moving to Carolina since Fragile eagle took his job?

[cool breeze]

Jet was behind Darkness?

 I thought he worked for Insmoniac? Resistance and Rachet? Isnt he moving to Carolina since Fragile eagle took his job?

I think you are thinking of Jstevenson or something like that.  And I don't think he is moving anywhere since he is active in Resistance threads answering questions.

[Joe Molotov]

What's with the "oh dis is teh gaf hate they hate everythingz they not fair to dis game" bullshit? You fucking hype some fucking game and if it doesn't live up to the hype, GAF is going to fucking bring the fucking hammer + fucking flying elbow down on it without blinking an eye, and please let's not resort to the whole "oh yeah it's a shit game but I have fun with it that's all that matters, the gameplay is SOLID/SERVICIBLE, the graphics aren't as shit as people think or the animations aren't as clunky as people say they are" fucking lower the bar bullshit.

guess who that was posted by

it's quite possibly the biggest pile of hypocrisy i've ever seen

RAWR (Image removed from quote.)

Is he talking to himself in the third-person there or what? 

[y2kev]

I like how you're licking EL's taint in the Gaf thread, Y2K.

 

unlike most of eb, i like evilore and generally agree with him.

i'll just come here to troll now like everyone else

trolling :rawk

[y2kev]

yep, one of thousands

[CHOW CHOW]

Denis Dyack makes thread at GAF about the criticism his game is getting, etc

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318653

I think it is time to draw the digital line. Too Human will be out in August and I think there is going to be a lot of trolls crying here. Either way when the game comes out this forum will likely be on fire. So in order to try to put it out some gasoline on this fire I will ask those interested to stand up and be counted.

I feel Too Human is a great game, likely to be better than most that will come out this year. I certainly feel it is the best game we have ever made. I also believe the press and gamers alike will believe this. This puts me in the “For” camp.

I know there are many who feel strongly in opposite camp. I also would ask you to stand up and say “Against”.

When the game is released and everyone plays game all the speculation will be over. If I am wrong and gamers in general think the game is “crap” then I am comfortable with getting tagged “Owned by the GAF”.

However, if I am right and it is received well, I would like to see those “Against” to be tagged with “Owned by Too Human”.

I would like to make a honorary invitation to EvilLore and Duckroll who help fuel the fire on a regular basis – assuming you both would be “Against”. In the end though, it is your decision and I want to remind everyone that I have an advantage of actually playing the game.

I invite anyone who seeing someone trolling Too Human in other threads to point them here. 

So it’s time to be stand and be counted:

Denis Dyack - “For”

[Fragamemnon]

unlike most of eb, i like evilore and generally agree with him.

Same here. He's always been nothing but kind and friendly to me, and Hitokage even moreso.

As for Too Human, meh. Looks bad, but looks aren't everything, especially for a loot and levels game.

[Tigerriot]

Day NEVER.

Right there with you.

[Grecco]

Jet was behind Darkness?

 I thought he worked for Insmoniac? Resistance and Rachet? Isnt he moving to Carolina since Fragile eagle took his job?

I think you are thinking of Jstevenson or something like that.  And I don't think he is moving anywhere since he is active in Resistance threads answering questions.

I thought he was leaving to the new insomniac studio in NC and Bryan Inhitar would take his job in the first studio?

[WrikaWrek]

Balls of steel.

I posted for. Fuck it.

Love it how GAF has been trolling and name calling dyack all these years, now he shows up and people are all calling him childish and shit, when this is what they wanted. Hypocrisy at gaf is a thing to behold

Bitches are scared, that's all.

[duckman2000]

Denis, the person who has lashed out at previews as well the mere idea of blindly determining the value of a game still in development, now urges people to "take sides?"

Right on. "Balls of steel," seems more like need for validation of powernerd proportions. I understand that he dislikes criticism, but this "righteous" path he's illuminating is remarkably one-sided. The next time someone teases Denis and his game, keep in mind that this, his message board behavior, is at the root of the issue.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what a psycho

[Tigerriot]

Denis is a nut.  I'm convinced of it.  If Too Human gets 7-8 reviews across the board I wouldn't be surprsied to see the dude jump off a bridge or something.  I'm not kidding.  He simply does not seem capable of understanding criticism of his games.


Unfortunately I'm quite certain that no matter how the game turns out, there will be a few sites that give it a 9 out of 10 simply because of it's exclusivity and the loyal fans Dyack has out there. 


But it could still be a decent game.  Who knows.  I have NO interest in the genre at all.

[Fragamemnon]

what a psycho

between this and that other quote in that thread eariler, the wheels have clearly come off on Denis. I bet there are some decently talented people at that studio that could make a far better game if they didn't have him around at all.

[duckman2000]

Well, on the upside, Too Human has already proven to be quite entertaining. Whether the game ends up good or bad, we'll always have these years leading up to its release.

Although stuff like this is more likely to make people want it to fail, so I'm not sure why any of the people "for" would applaud this move as it's bound to make Too Human threads even worse.

[WrikaWrek]

Well, on the upside, Too Human has already proven to be quite entertaining. Whether the game ends up good or bad, we'll always have these years leading up to its release.

Although stuff like this is more likely to make people want it to fail, so I'm not sure why any of the people "for" would applaud this move as it's bound to make Too Human threads even worse.

Who fucking cares? Jesus fuck somebody cut my head with a spoon.

Instead of enjoying this moment of craziness, people are trying too hard to be on the spotlight of reason, when reason shouldn't even matter, it's a fucking nerd gaming forum, how the fuck can you take it so seriously. Shit we should be trowing fireworks, the dude is directly providing us with the funny.

I bet some of you guys must be those kind of guys that whenever someone is having a balla time, either drinking, making out with that hot nasty girl you wish you could fuck but tell everyone otherwise, are all like "Oh look at that, making a fool of himself. I'm still drinking my water."

Pfff, just enjoy it, roll with it, at least it's entertaining.

[duckman2000]

Well, on the upside, Too Human has already proven to be quite entertaining. Whether the game ends up good or bad, we'll always have these years leading up to its release.

Although stuff like this is more likely to make people want it to fail, so I'm not sure why any of the people "for" would applaud this move as it's bound to make Too Human threads even worse.

Who fucking cares? Jesus fuck somebody cut my head with a spoon.

Instead of enjoying this moment of craziness, people are trying too hard to be on the spotlight of reason, when reason shouldn't even matter, it's a fucking nerd gaming forum, how the fuck can you take it so seriously. Shit we should be trowing fireworks, the dude is directly providing us with the funny.

I bet some of you guys must be those kind of guys that whenever someone is having a balla time, either drinking, making out with that hot nasty girl you wish you could fuck but tell everyone otherwise, are all like "Oh look at that, making a fool of himself. I'm still drinking my water."

Pfff, just enjoy it, roll with it, at least it's entertaining.

Apparently, a ton of people, including Dyack. Take it seriously? Denis Dyack has "balls of steel" for putting the forum to the wall, you yourself get worked up like hell here and there, so really now, spare us the "why so serious" crap. 

And yeah, if people didn't want the game to suck before, they will now. It will likely not matter in the grand scheme of things, but it's pretty obvious that it matters to Dyack, you and a lot of other people.

[WrikaWrek]

Well, on the upside, Too Human has already proven to be quite entertaining. Whether the game ends up good or bad, we'll always have these years leading up to its release.

Although stuff like this is more likely to make people want it to fail, so I'm not sure why any of the people "for" would applaud this move as it's bound to make Too Human threads even worse.

Who fucking cares? Jesus fuck somebody cut my head with a spoon.

Instead of enjoying this moment of craziness, people are trying too hard to be on the spotlight of reason, when reason shouldn't even matter, it's a fucking nerd gaming forum, how the fuck can you take it so seriously. Shit we should be trowing fireworks, the dude is directly providing us with the funny.

I bet some of you guys must be those kind of guys that whenever someone is having a balla time, either drinking, making out with that hot nasty girl you wish you could fuck but tell everyone otherwise, are all like "Oh look at that, making a fool of himself. I'm still drinking my water."

Pfff, just enjoy it, roll with it, at least it's entertaining.

Apparently, a ton of people, including Dyack. Take it seriously? Denis Dyack has "balls of steel" for putting the forum to the wall, you yourself get worked up like hell here and there, so really now, spare us the "why so serious" crap. 

Yes posting "balls of steel" (intended to rile people up) and telling people to stop with the "superior" and "reason filled" posts, is me taking it serious.

Yes, i do get pissed when boring eat shit for breakfast people try to suck the fun out of shit. 

[Crushed]

oh no dyack is taking a ten year project of his seriously what a loon

[y2kev]

oh no dyack is taking a ten year project of his seriously what a loon

posting as he does on gaf indicates the exact opposite.

[Third]

AGAINST

[duckman2000]

Well, you have to wonder how his team feels about it. I'm sure there is a bit of a hero sentiment going around, but I'd guess that for the most part, they wish that the whole thing would just go away. Dyack has made, and backpedaled on, many bold claims regarding his game, he really doesn't take criticism well, and his one-sided path of the righteous is peppered with contradictions. Sometimes, a dedicated PR spokesperson can be a good thing to have on staff. You can argue that it's refreshing to see this level of humanity and honesty from a developer, but then it would really need a level of consistency that isn't present here.

[Crushed]

oh no dyack is taking a ten year project of his seriously what a loon

posting as he does on gaf indicates the exact opposite.

Wait, so is he taking it too seriously or is he just having fun?

make up your mind you're getting the attack force line all muddled

[Howard Alan Treesong]

it must be depressing to work hard at SK and have Boss Dyack GAFfing it up all o'er the world

[Ganhyun]

jesus christ in every fucking too human thread y2kev makes his way. hell, he even creates them for a game he has decided will suck balls.

i get a paycheck

If your so smart Wicked why didn't you know that?

(Sorry, not making fun or picking, just had to throw the Idiocracy reference in there because it fit so well. )

 

[demi]

SOMEONE TELL DYACK I AM FOR

FORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


DYACK

[y2kev]

oh no dyack is taking a ten year project of his seriously what a loon

posting as he does on gaf indicates the exact opposite.

Wait, so is he taking it too seriously or is he just having fun?

make up your mind you're getting the attack force line all muddled

geeze, crushed, so everything must either be "having fun" or "being too serious"?

He's being totally serious in that thread (his speech is like some awfully written rally the troops message), but it's not a thread that should even exist. I mean, unless you think having fun is his almost psychotic ramblings and attempt to divide the forum into cops and robbers. He's playing with his gaf marionettes.

[demi]

Y2Kev shaking in his boots...

[Fragamemnon]

it must be depressing to work hard at SK and have Boss Dyack GAFfing it up all o'er the world

Yeah if my project lead was reduced to arguing with faceless internet posters I would be less than happy about my work situation.

This is the real sad thing about it all-you know there's some talent there and they have to be pissed about how their project manager is making news for and about himself and not about their game. As the publisher, Microsoft should have shoved this duder full of twinkie-wiener sandwich gag orders a long time ago.

[cool breeze]

I think Dyack believes he is being serious, but it seems like its fun because he just went insane after E3 2006.  He takes all valid potential insults to an early version of his game like someone is insulting his entire family.

[Crushed]

oh no dyack is taking a ten year project of his seriously what a loon

posting as he does on gaf indicates the exact opposite.

Wait, so is he taking it too seriously or is he just having fun?

make up your mind you're getting the attack force line all muddled

geeze, crushed, so everything must either be "having fun" or "being too serious"?

He's being totally serious in that thread

But you just said that his posting in that thread indicates the exact opposite! 

[y2kev]

oh no dyack is taking a ten year project of his seriously what a loon

posting as he does on gaf indicates the exact opposite.

Wait, so is he taking it too seriously or is he just having fun?

make up your mind you're getting the attack force line all muddled

geeze, crushed, so everything must either be "having fun" or "being too serious"?

He's being totally serious in that thread

But you just said that his posting in that thread indicates the exact opposite! 

I said it's indicative of that kind of behavior!

[duckman2000]

For the record, I certainly don't believe that this game will be crap. I think it will be an alright game that some will love (and those who Dyack has managed to get to will surely regurgitate all of Dyack's favorite things about Dyack's own game in their reviews), others will hate, but that most will consider decent. I'm sure I will take issue with the interpretation of Norse myth and the culture that spawned the mythology, but that's not something I expect an audience that consists of quite a few dorkster fantasy fans to care about. But in the end, Dyack's mentality, his fits and poorly balanced declarations of right vs wrong, it all comes down to that Dyack can't do what other developers can, and roll with the punches. This will almost certainly affect how at least these message board dwellers approach the game.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Wow, duckroll writes a fair and measured response to Dyack's insanity, and Dyack comes back with, quote, "Put up or shut up."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11705962&postcount=257

ennis yack

[demi]

Duckroll is putting up his charade, and Patel has a known bias against Dyack.

Sorry, prepare to be owned you twigs.

[MCD]

well duck was a dick in the past too human threads so it's fair lol.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Dyack demoed Too Human for me on the PS1 at E3 1997.

He never forgave me when I pointed out that the N64 demo of Eternal Darkness was Lovecraft. (The E3 version's text mentioned C'thulu and R'lyeh, amongst other things - they just did a search-and-replace job on the final game story.) Apparently, it's cool to rip off Lovecraft, but not cool when someone who knows what you're ripping off points it out.

Denis Dyack, the Crystal Castles of Canadian game developers.

[demi]

Dyack demoed Too Human for me on the PS1 at E3 1997.

He never forgave me when I pointed out that the N64 demo of Eternal Darkness was Lovecraft. (The E3 version's text mentioned C'thulu and R'lyeh, amongst other things - they just did a search-and-replace job on the final game story.) Apparently, it's cool to rip off Lovecraft, but not cool when someone who knows what you're ripping off points it out.

Denis Dyack, the Crystal Castles of Canadian game developers.

Last words of the soon to be owned... you should keep your lip sealed... you might come out of this with only a few crows on your plate...

[MCD]

demi, you sound confident.

did you play it?