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Year of P$3 Billion loss
« on: June 24, 2008, 09:20:51 PM »
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Pricing the PlayStation 3 below its production cost caused Sony to lose $2.16 billion in 2007 and $1.16 billion in 2008, the company revealed today.

Sony's fiscal 2008 annual report delineated potential risk factors to its investors, outlining that "the large-scale investment required during the development and introductory period of a new gaming platform may not be fully recovered." The loss figures were provided as an example of the "significant negative impact" introducing a new platform can cause at first.

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 09:25:11 PM »
I'd have bought a ps3 sooner had I known I could've contributed to that loss.  :ninja
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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 09:25:39 PM »
Sony taking another hit for the best for true gamers again.

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 09:41:02 PM »
Sony taking another hit for the best for true gamers again.

I wish.  Looks to me this gen they eschewed pleasing the gamers in favour of doing what was best for HD movie buffs.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 09:48:02 PM »
They might have made some of it back if the LCD TV market hadn't become so cutthroat. They wanted to not just sell their hardcore PS2 userbase a PS3, but a high end 1080p Bravia to go along with it as well.

They'll drag out the PS3 for a good long time. Provided Microsoft is pretty comfortable moving massive amounts of software on their system, I can see neither party really jumping the gun to move to the next generation of consoles.

Enjoy your 550-600p visuals, suckers.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 09:50:46 PM »
They might have made some of it back if the LCD TV market hadn't become so cutthroat. They wanted to not just sell their hardcore PS2 userbase a PS3, but a high end 1080p Bravia to go along with it as well.

Is that why they never released a proper VGA cable? Sons of bitches :maf
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 09:53:11 PM »
They took that loss because they care about the game industry. Losses were needed to ensure that the gamers got the best possible enjoyment out of their consoles.

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2008, 09:59:12 PM »
They took the loss because of movie buffs and the blue ray industry. A format useless for video games. DVDs 4TW Xbox 360 is the home of true gamers.



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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2008, 10:00:08 PM »
Powerslave, have you ever played a PS3?  Its gaming capabilities are far from impressive. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2008, 10:02:17 PM »
They took that loss because they care about the game industry. Losses were needed to ensure that the gamers got the best possible enjoyment out of their consoles.
Losses, not games.
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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2008, 10:05:50 PM »
Sony taking another hit for the best for true gamers again.

except that sony decided the gamers should take a hit too
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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2008, 10:08:52 PM »
Powerslave, have you ever played a PS3?  Its gaming capabilities are far from impressive. 

I have, it was amazing. Definitely better than anything I played on the 360.


Sony taking another hit for the best for true gamers again.

except that sony decided the gamers should take a hit too

Sony has been providing quality gaming for over 10 years now, it's more than logical that it's time for the gamers to do something back.

Powerslave

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2008, 10:36:23 PM »
First year was slow yes, but they needed the extra time to perfect the games they were/are working on. They don't release pre-mature games. Full satisfaction is a requirement before a game is released.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2008, 10:39:41 PM »
They give you all a nice PS2 and a blu-ray player and an MGS4/HD Ninja Gaiden 1 machine and THIS is how you repay them?   Who's the real multibillion dollar MNC who lost first place...not Sony...not....Sony.

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2008, 10:39:53 PM »
First year was slow yes, but they needed the extra time to perfect the games they were/are working on. They don't release pre-mature games. Full satisfaction is a requirement before a game is released.
And the second year.

And looks like the third year too.


Maybe the fourth as well.
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2008, 11:02:09 PM »
This kind of news really does make me wonder if we might see Sony bow out of videogames after this system.  Not likely, but I do think it is possible.


It's just a matter of how much these companies think their gaming division helps the others within the company.  Obviously they did everything they could to make bluray the winner, but it's unclear exactly how much money that is gonna make them over the next decade.  It was a big gamble.

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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2008, 11:05:37 PM »
Sony cares about gamers.

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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2008, 11:20:45 PM »
Powerslave TROLL MODE! INITIATE!
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2008, 11:34:38 PM »
i think we'd all buy the games if they were there, they just aren't. And there in lies the problem.

Even some more good games wouldn't justify that $499 pricetag.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the price this fall. Even with a price cut last fall, they were able to cut their loss in half year-over-year. There may be some other factors at work as well. But, theoretically they could afford to cut their price again and cut their losses in half again.

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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2008, 12:28:29 AM »
Sony's profits don't count until they make back all this money, even if it's 5 years from now.

They took that loss because they care about the game industry. Losses were needed to ensure that the gamers got the best possible enjoyment out of their consoles.

Then why do they cancel and delay everything

First year was slow yes, but they needed the extra time to perfect the games they were/are working on. They don't release pre-mature games. Full satisfaction is a requirement before a game is released.

Wait, you're joking :lol
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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2008, 12:50:50 AM »
R&D costs would be funny to add on.

It would be highly funny if PS3 alone caused more damage to Sony than 2 generations of Xbox did to Microsoft.
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2008, 12:51:48 AM »
I think it's pretty likely that that has already happened.

Wasn't there a report last fall that PS3 had already cost them more than PS2 had gained? That was more than XBOX lost.

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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2008, 04:53:14 AM »
i think we'd all buy the games if they were there, they just aren't. And there in lies the problem.

Even some more good games wouldn't justify that $499 pricetag.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the price this fall. Even with a price cut last fall, they were able to cut their loss in half year-over-year. There may be some other factors at work as well. But, theoretically they could afford to cut their price again and cut their losses in half again.



Why on earth would you choose to say $499 when you damn well the most common sku on the shelves today is $399?  Not to mention we all know that $399 Sony sku offers a hell of a lot more bang for your buck compared to the $350 Xbox sku.  When you add the $50 for live to any Xbox sku it also makes that conversation a lot more interesting.

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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2008, 06:39:21 AM »
If this is was MS i would be worried. Sony is rolling in the cash however.

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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2008, 07:49:16 AM »
smh @ Powerslave trolling

Where's abrader in this thread?

I never think its fruitful to try to discuss an industry I do not work in as I just have a consumer view.

I just play games man - I dont get into all of this monitoring RSS feeds looking for fud stories so I can go post them on 4x forums FIRST.


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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2008, 09:52:32 AM »
They took that loss because they care about the game industry. Losses were needed to ensure that the gamers got the best possible enjoyment out of their consoles.

They are a publicly traded company.  They are not in it to take a loss for the game industry.  All of their decisions have been for profit, no matter how ill advised they were.

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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2008, 09:56:44 AM »
Is Powerslave trolling or is he really an Sfag?
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2008, 10:10:15 AM »
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Why on earth would you choose to say $499 when you damn well the most common sku on the shelves today is $399?  Not to mention we all know that $399 Sony sku offers a hell of a lot more bang for your buck compared to the $350 Xbox sku.  When you add the $50 for live to any Xbox sku it also makes that conversation a lot more interesting.

don't forget to add in $50 for rumble too
and $100 for a HDD big enough hdd to install all the games on ;)

i agree with what you are saying actually, but i'm guessing that people are looking at the line up of the x360 and going for that. So it's probably the existing games bases selling the machines, and that seems to have more steam that people looking for a convergence device.

 


But that still doesn't explain why you choose to keep talking about the $499 PS3, when you know damn well it sells for $399 everywhere.

siamesedreamer

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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2008, 10:46:11 AM »
But that still doesn't explain why you choose to keep talking about the $499 PS3, when you know damn well it sells for $399 everywhere.

The $399 version is the 40gb version and it does not have backwards compatibility correct?

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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2008, 10:54:17 AM »
But that still doesn't explain why you choose to keep talking about the $499 PS3, when you know damn well it sells for $399 everywhere.

The $399 version is the 40gb version and it does not have backwards compatibility correct?

Yes, it's 40gb, but it does have backwards compatibility with PSOne games.

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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2008, 10:56:18 AM »
The $399 model is equivalent to the closely priced X360 at $350.

If the X360 had better BC it would be more like the $499 PS3 model.


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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2008, 11:44:23 AM »
The $399 model is equivalent to the closely priced X360 at $350.

If the X360 had better BC it would be more like the $499 PS3 model.



Except it would still cost you $50 year for Live, $100 if you need the wifi adapter, and you'd still have 20gb less of hard drive space.  Oh, and you wouldn't own the defacto high def movie player for the next decade. 

Other than that though, they're about equal.  :lol

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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2008, 02:54:27 PM »
If you're paying $50 for live you're paying $70 for an HDMI cable off the shelf.

And $55 for a Dual Shock, and how come 360's 20GB fills up slower than PS3's 40GB? How much does it cost to get Live's capability on PS3 btw, if we're acting like shit is 1:1?


The only thing that makes 40GB PS3 more palatable than $350 360 is Blu Ray. Everything else is a wash or arguable. And of course if you actually look at the games available on your games console, PS3 keels over.
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2008, 03:06:51 PM »
If you're paying $50 for live you're paying $70 for an HDMI cable off the shelf.

And $55 for a Dual Shock, and how come 360's 20GB fills up slower than PS3's 40GB? How much does it cost to get Live's capability on PS3 btw, if we're acting like shit is 1:1?


The only thing that makes 40GB PS3 more palatable than $350 360 is Blu Ray. Everything else is a wash or arguable. And of course if you actually look at the games available on your games console, PS3 keels over.


If you want to write off $50 PER YEAR, go right ahead.  Just for arguments sake if you need to.  ::)  Although that does add up each and every year.  A crazy overpriced HDMI cable isn't a yearly proposition of course.

You're gonna tell me the $100 wifi adapter isn't relevant to the discussion?  Ok, so maybe you find it for $80 on Amazon if you're lucky.  Of course it's not a required feature for some people, but it is for many others.  So it's definitely worth mentioning in such a discussion, wether you want to admit that or not.


It's just funny how people can talk about the PS3 costing $499, when we all know that isn't really the case, and you don't say shit.  But the minute someone like me speaks up and actually starts talking real figures you're all ready to throw down about it.  Interesting.  ;)

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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2008, 03:22:24 PM »
All I'm doing is the reverse of the shit you pulled. Until PS3 matches the XBL featureset the $50 is a matter of preference, not a con. And I never pay $50.

Wifi is lame but not everyone needs it and it is more advanced than PS3's in-box wifi. It's hard for me to dog 360 for that when I paid $70 for its adapter and $50 for a bridge for my 20GB PS3.

People say PS3 costs $499 because you'd have to be a fucking idiot to buy a 40GB. And you obviously missed the point of my post.

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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2008, 03:24:56 PM »
All I'm doing is the reverse of the shit you pulled. Until PS3 matches the XBL featureset the $50 is a matter of preference, not a con. And I never pay $50.

Wifi is lame but not everyone needs it and it is more advanced than PS3's in-box wifi. It's hard for me to dog 360 for that when I paid $70 for its adapter and $50 for a bridge for my 20GB PS3.

People say PS3 costs $499 because you'd have to be a fucking idiot to buy a 40GB. And you obviously missed the point of my post.

For much of the world the 40gb is the ONLY OPTION.  Even in the U.S right now, those 80gb bundles are sold out everywhere.  So yeah, if you walk into a store today, you're buying a $399 40gb unit.  Got it?

And did you actually just tell me how you bought a bridge for your 20gb PS3?  Seriously?  How the hell does that even fit into this discussion?  All current and future PS3 skus will have wifi built in. 

Lastly, it's impossible to ever discuss the value of either console unless you honestly assess what costs are involved in ownership, and we all know those costs are MUCH higher with the 360.

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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2008, 03:26:06 PM »
I am aware that Sony's handling of SKUs is abominable and agree that it is a major component of why PS3 sucks.


edit: You just do straight costs, not costs vs value. XBL costs more but you get a better product, same for Wifi. You ignore that PS3 lacks an HD cable, that constant game installs make its 40GB seem paltry, that they still won't pack in a Dual Shock. You will point out low cost alternatives to cables but not to 360 wifi or XBL. You obviously ignore the disparity in lineups, or the fact that so many 360 exclusives are in the $20-40 range while there are no PS3 games below $60 outside of UT3.

The only irrefutable advantage PS3 has over 360 is Blu Ray. Everything else might be better or worse for one consumer or another. The #2 problem is Wifi but again, not everyone needs it and those that do find a better product for the higher price. Though they could just get a $50 bridge like I did.

I recommend PS3 to casual gamers with HDTVs who I know, I recommend 360 to people who are actually into gaming.
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« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2008, 03:28:22 PM »
I am aware that Sony's handling of SKUs is abominable and agree that it is a major component of why PS3 sucks.

I completely agree that their handling of skus has been a joke since the very beginning.  No argument there.

They should have never shipped the 20gb units, and they should have never removed PS3 BC from the 40gb units.

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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2008, 03:32:27 PM »

edit: You just do straight costs, not costs vs value. XBL costs more but you get a better product, same for Wifi. You ignore that PS3 lacks an HD cable, that constant game installs make its 40GB seem paltry, that they still won't pack in a Dual Shock.

The only irrefutable advantage PS3 has over 360 is Blu Ray. Everything else might be better or worse for one consumer or another. The #2 problem is Wifi but again, not everyone needs it and those that do find a better product for the higher price. Though they could just get a $50 bridge like I did.

I recommend PS3 to casual gamers with HDTVs who I know, I recommend 360 to people who are actually into gaming.


I don't know where you're getting this "better wifi for the 360" talk.  I owned the 360 wifi adapter for the first 2.5 years of ownership, and it's reliability and range was no better than my 60gb PS3.


I fully understand the "value" is part of the proposition, but that is not where this discussion began, and your assertion that you don't recommend PS3s to people who are "into gaming" is laughable at best.  Did it ever once cross your mind that some people might prefer the Sony exclusives over the 360 exclusives?

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« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2008, 03:40:40 PM »
It's a rule of thumb, obviously they need to decide what games suit their tastes. Since 360 has more games in every genre outside of MGS4 it's not really an issue.

PS3 is for people who want to be able to upscale their movies and watch Blu Rays and don't really care how full featured their online experience is or if their multiplatform games are up to par because they don't know what frame rate and resolution are. And who are only going to be buying 4 or 5 games per year anyway so they don't care if the PS3 has half as many exclusives and a several of them reek of shit. If you need proof look at the attach rate.

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« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2008, 03:51:28 PM »
It's a rule of thumb, obviously they need to decide what games suit their tastes. Since 360 has more games in every genre outside of MGS4 it's not really an issue.

PS3 is for people who want to be able to upscale their movies and watch Blu Rays and don't really care how full featured their online experience is or if their multiplatform games are up to par because they don't know what frame rate and resolution are. And who are only going to be buying 4 or 5 games per year anyway so they don't care if the PS3 has half as many exclusives and a several of them reek of shit. If you need proof look at the attach rate.

Well, this post just saved me the time of ever having to pay any attention to your future posts.

Just for fun though,

So the 360 has every genre covered?  Can you name me an offroad racer in the vein of Motorstorm on the 360?  How about a character platformer like Ratchet and Clank?  How about an Adventure game like Uncharted?  How about a action game like Heavenly Sword?  Do they have an answer for Little Big Planet?  How about Hot Shots Golf?  Will they have an answer for Socom?  Wipeout?  God of War?

At least you already conceded they have no answer for MGS4. That was a good start.

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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2008, 03:58:29 PM »
I see your definition of 'genre' equates to 'individual game.'

Where is Sony's Kameo, Gears, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, PGR (x2), Dead Rising, Ace Combat, Beautiful Katamari, Chromehounds, Mass Effect, Sneak King? How come PS3 lists always have to include a bunch of games that aren't out? How come it can't secure B-grade stuff like Frontlines Fuel of War and Culdcept Saga and Operation Darkness?

Duh, the lineups are different. 360's is more big and more good.

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« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2008, 04:01:14 PM »
Those are all pretty mediocre games.

You'll notice that I never feel the need to stoop to such dumb fucking claims about the 360 exclusives.  Right?

Thats because I'm a gamer, and I enjoy lots of great games.  That means I enjoy many of the 360's awesome games, but for some reason I don't see the need to tell others fucking lies like "The PS3 exclusives all suck".  Only a childish joke of a fanboy would think such a thing, and that's just not me.  

I also don't go into threads telling people the Xbox 360 costs $430, because that would be stupid.  But that didn't stop Siamesedreamer from doing exactly that when talking about the PS3 earlier in this thread, and that is what sparked my replies.  People spreading misinformation or just saying stupid shit they know isn't true.  
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« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2008, 04:01:46 PM »
No I didn't lol

But I did forget a bunch of less high profile stuff like Saints Row, Fight Night R3, and stuff like Alone in the Dark. edit: and BFME, Ninety Nine Nights, Too Human, Prey, Test Drive Unlimited...

It's easy to find 360 games to buy beyond the big name tentpoles, for PS3 you either like those tentpoles or you watch movies.


iirc it wasn't even Charlie who made the post you flipped out on. But yes he is a special kind of fan. I guess imitating him makes you feel better.

edit: Yup, it was siamesedreamer. Shame on him for not citing the PS3 SKU that you admit is one of Sony's major blunders.
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« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2008, 04:12:09 PM »
No I didn't lol

But I did forget a bunch of less high profile stuff like Saints Row, Fight Night R3, and stuff like Alone in the Dark.

It's easy to find 360 games to buy beyond the big name tentpoles, for PS3 you either like those tentpoles or you watch movies.


iirc it wasn't even Charlie who made the post you flipped out on. But yes he is a special kind of fan. I guess imitating him makes you feel better.

edit: Yup, it was siamesedreamer. Shame on him for not citing the PS3 SKU that you admit is one of Sony's major blunders.

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I've played all those games, they're all mediocre period.  The ps3 was a collosal fucking waste of money.

There is simply no context for anything you two say.  It's just robot like repeating of the same lines you've fed each other on boards like this for the past 2 years. 

Instead of choosing your words wisely, you shoot off your mouth without ever admitting there could be some exceptions to any rule.  For instance, the claim that all multiplatform games are better on 360.  It's just pure bullshit, but you'll say it anyway.  Why do you feel the need to do such things? 

Or the statement that all the PS3 exclusives suck.  Do you really think people think you're credible when you say that?  That you just happen to hate everything they've released.  You just look dumb saying stuff like that.  Just stop it, and save your self a little credibility sometimes. 

You can hate on the PS3 without making yourself look dumb.  Do you also notice that in all this talk of consoles, that I never feel the need to shit on the 360?  That's because I like the 360, and I also like the PS3.  Has that idea ever crossed either of your minds?  That people might actually like both machines?

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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2008, 04:13:09 PM »
2 years ago I planned on buying a PS3 and skipping 360 and Wii lol

I don't know what makes you think you're above it all, you seem to have 1 purpose here yourself

I own the fucking console, I paid for it with my cash money, don't tell me what to think of it, its features, or its games

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« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2008, 04:15:02 PM »
2 years ago I planned on buying a PS3 and skipping 360 and Wii lol

I don't know what makes you think you're above it all, you seem to have 1 purpose here yourself

I own the fucking console, I paid for it with my cash money, don't tell me what to think of it, its features, or its games

It appears that way because there is sooooo much PS3 bullshit spewed on this board, that for someone like msyelf, who doesn't like bullshit, I'm gonna say something. 


It's funny, but somehow I never see anyone quoting the 360 as costing $430 on this board.  Therefore there isn't a need for me to set the record straight.  That's what I do.  If someone did say something ridiculous about the 360, you'd see me respond the exact same way.  The funny thing is you'd probably see 5 other people respond before I did, but you don't see that type of careful attention paid when someone screams "The PS3 kills children". 
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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2008, 04:23:18 PM »
2 years ago I planned on buying a PS3 and skipping 360 and Wii lol

I don't know what makes you think you're above it all, you seem to have 1 purpose here yourself

I own the fucking console, I paid for it with my cash money, don't tell me what to think of it, its features, or its games

It appears that way because there is sooooo much PS3 bullshit spewed on this board, that for someone like msyelf, who doesn't like bullshit, I'm gonna say something. 


It's funny, but somehow I never see anyone quoting the 360 as costing $430 on this board.  Therefore there isn't a need for me to set the record straight.  That's what I do.  If someone did say something ridiculous about the 360, you'd see me respond the exact same way.  The funny thing is you'd probably see 5 other people respond before I did, but you don't see that type of careful attention paid when someone screams "The PS3 kills children". 

yea but your response to that one guy saying that one thing is to lash out at other people, and then do exactly what he did by ignoring the quality and number of 360 exclusives, the benefits of XBL, the problems with PS3, etc etc

And it all goes into the toilet when you admit that the $399 model that you DEMAND that he acknowledge is a fucking mistake by Sony!

I got on you because you're being a hypocrite, dcharlie and others make no secret of their preference. Like I said, my first post to you FLEW RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2008, 04:40:27 PM »
No I didn't lol

But I did forget a bunch of less high profile stuff like Saints Row, Fight Night R3, and stuff like Alone in the Dark.

It's easy to find 360 games to buy beyond the big name tentpoles, for PS3 you either like those tentpoles or you watch movies.


iirc it wasn't even Charlie who made the post you flipped out on. But yes he is a special kind of fan. I guess imitating him makes you feel better.

edit: Yup, it was siamesedreamer. Shame on him for not citing the PS3 SKU that you admit is one of Sony's major blunders.

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I've played all those games, they're all mediocre period.  The ps3 was a collosal fucking waste of money.

There is simply no context for anything you two say.  It's just robot like repeating of the same lines you've fed each other on boards like this for the past 2 years. 

Instead of choosing your words wisely, you shoot off your mouth without ever admitting there could be some exceptions to any rule.  For instance, the claim that all multiplatform games are better on 360.  It's just pure bullshit, but you'll say it anyway.  Why do you feel the need to do such things? 

Or the statement that all the PS3 exclusives suck.  Do you really think people think you're credible when you say that?  That you just happen to hate everything they've released.  You just look dumb saying stuff like that.  Just stop it, and save your self a little credibility sometimes. 

You can hate on the PS3 without making yourself look dumb.  Do you also notice that in all this talk of consoles, that I never feel the need to shit on the 360?  That's because I like the 360, and I also like the PS3.  Has that idea ever crossed either of your minds?  That people might actually like both machines?


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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2008, 04:44:40 PM »
tigerriot is such a dumb


I bet he walks right into bear traps irl
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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2008, 05:01:34 PM »
Tiger, Cohen is not part of the Xbot army.   He has spoken out against EB's Xfaggotry many times before. 

Smooth Groove

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2008, 05:06:29 PM »
I think the PS3 is crap 'cause it consistenly has worse graphics than a cheaper, older machine.  Sony should have given us a Geforce 8 GPU instead of that Blu-ray drive. 

AdmiralViscen

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2008, 05:23:05 PM »
Tiger, Cohen is not part of the Xbot army.   He has spoken out against EB's Xfaggotry many times before. 

Me too, I def want more legit Sony fans here. The ones that come here to draw a line in the sand and tell other PS3 owners why it is inarguably the best console are lame though.

I think the ps2 is the best gaming console ever, the ps3 is just crap.  Except for movies.

Yup.

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2008, 06:46:05 PM »
yea but your response to that one guy saying that one thing is to lash out at other people, and then do exactly what he did by ignoring the quality and number of 360 exclusives, the benefits of XBL, the problems with PS3, etc etc

And it all goes into the toilet when you admit that the $399 model that you DEMAND that he acknowledge is a fucking mistake by Sony!

I got on you because you're being a hypocrite, dcharlie and others make no secret of their preference. Like I said, my first post to you FLEW RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD

I never ignored the number of 360 exclusives.  I never said the 360 had no good exclusives.  You did say basically that about the PS3.  I never said anything negative about XBL, and I'm fully willing to acknowledge the PS3's problems.

I simply responded to people making factually flawed statements about the PS3 costing $499, when they knew better, and I pointed out the value that the PS3 offers compared to it's competition.  As a piece of a electronics very few people would argue the 360 is a better value proposition compared to the 360.  The PS3 simply does more for the money, and doesn't ask for much more to get the most out of it.  The 360 basically has it's hands in your wallet to turn the damn thing on, much less connect it to the internet.

Lastly, I never said the 40gb sku was a mistake.  I said their handling of their skus was a joke.  The 20gb model was a mistake IMO.  Not having any 80gb units on shelves for months was a mistake.  Removing PS2 BC from the 40gb was a mistake.  But if PS2 BC means nothing to someone, the 40gb machine is a great value.


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Me too, I def want more legit Sony fans here. The ones that come here to draw a line in the sand and tell other PS3 owners why it is inarguably the best console are lame though.

I have never argued that the PS3 is the best console.  I have argued that it's the best value for the money, if you're truly considering everything it offers, and costs of ownership over the long haul.

I would never ague that one machine is simply a better games machine than the other, because that would be a statement based purely on opinion.  People's preferences in games is a completely subjective thing, and I'm fully aware and accepting that people will think differently when it comes to those things.


As I said earlier, the only time you'll hear me get pissed, is when people knowingly make dishonest statements, or bend facts, or make blanket declarations that machine "X" has "no good exclusives".  That is nonsense, and it ought to be challenged anytime it is stated.
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AdmiralViscen

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2008, 06:50:52 PM »
the fuuuuuck

I never said PS3 didn't have any good exclusives either. You need to stop combining the words of everybody

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2008, 06:51:50 PM »
Again he is right.


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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2008, 06:53:48 PM »
the fuuuuuck

I never said PS3 didn't have any good exclusives either. You need to stop combining the words of everybody

Ok, you never did make the statement "the PS3 doesn't have any good exlusives", but you said just about everything besides that, including nonsense about it's exclusives running at lower resolutions, and the usual bullshit people spout in such conversations.

You bend the facts to make your statements, as I've said many times now.  Cohen is just a little more loose with his words than you. 
« Last Edit: June 25, 2008, 06:55:32 PM by Tigerriot »

abrader

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2008, 06:54:22 PM »
IT NOT ONLY HAS NO GAMES BUT ITS GOING TO BE CANNED NOW!



abrader

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2008, 06:55:56 PM »
There were games on X360 I liked - but the Game TR listed are must haves - Ratchet and Clank? Resistance? Motorstorm? Uncharted?

Frankly I have a hard time remembering titles on the X360 that match up.


AdmiralViscen

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Re: Year of P$3 Billion loss
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2008, 06:56:32 PM »
the fuuuuuck

I never said PS3 didn't have any good exclusives either. You need to stop combining the words of everybody

Ok, you never did make the statement "the PS3 doesn't have any good exlusives", but you said just about everything besides that. 

Let's recap

"360 has more games" = "PS3 has no games"
"PS3 has the better lineup of games" /= "360 has no games" (you always take the high road, of course)
"The defining characteristic of the 40GB is a mistake" /= "The 40GB was a mistake" (making dishonest statements is not your forte)

There were games on X360 I liked - but the Game TR listed are must haves - Ratchet and Clank? Resistance? Motorstorm? Uncharted?

Frankly I have a hard time remembering titles on the X360 that match up.



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