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Heads up: a thunderbolt is about to rip into the blanket of bland we call summer movies. The Dark Knight, director Christopher Nolan's absolute stunner of a follow-up to 2005's Batman Begins, is a potent provocation decked out as a comic-book movie. Feverish action? Check. Dazzling spectacle? Check. Devilish fun? Check. But Nolan is just warming up. There's something raw and elemental at work in this artfully imagined universe. Striking out from his Batman origin story, Nolan cuts through to a deeper dimension. Huh? Wha? How can a conflicted guy in a bat suit and a villain with a cracked, painted-on clown smile speak to the essentials of the human condition? Just hang on for a shock to the system. The Dark Knight creates a place where good and evil — expected to do battle — decide instead to get it on and dance. "I don't want to kill you," Heath Ledger's psycho Joker tells Christian Bale's stalwart Batman. "You complete me." Don't buy the tease. He means it.

The trouble is that Batman, a.k.a. playboy Bruce Wayne, has had it up to here with being the white knight. He's pissed that the public sees him as a vigilante. He'll leave the hero stuff to district attorney Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) and stop the DA from moving in on Rachel Dawes (feisty Maggie Gyllenhaal, in for sweetie Katie Holmes), the lady love who is Batman's only hope for a normal life.

Everything gleams like sin in Gotham City (cinematographer Wally Pfister shot on location in Chicago, bringing a gritty reality to a cartoon fantasy). And the bad guys seem jazzed by their evildoing. Take the Joker, who treats a stunningly staged bank robbery like his private video game with accomplices in Joker masks, blood spurting and only one winner. Nolan shot this sequence, and three others, for the IMAX screen and with a finesse for choreographing action that rivals Michael Mann's Heat. But it's what's going on inside the Bathead that pulls us in. Bale is electrifying as a fallibly human crusader at war with his own conscience.

I can only speak superlatives of Ledger, who is mad-crazy-blazing brilliant as the Joker. Miles from Jack Nicholson's broadly funny take on the role in Tim Burton's 1989 Batman, Ledger takes the role to the shadows, where even what's comic is hardly a relief. No plastic mask for Ledger; his face is caked with moldy makeup that highlights the red scar of a grin, the grungy hair and the yellowing teeth of a hound fresh out of hell. To the clown prince of crime, a knife is preferable to a gun, the better to "savor the moment."

The deft script, by Nolan and his brother Jonathan, taking note of Bob Kane's original Batman and Frank Miller's bleak rethink, refuses to explain the Joker with pop psychology. Forget Freudian hints about a dad who carved a smile into his son's face with a razor. As the Joker says, "What doesn't kill you makes you stranger."

The Joker represents the last completed role for Ledger, who died in January at 28 before finishing work on Terry Gilliam's The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus. It's typical of Ledger's total commitment to films as diverse as Brokeback Mountain and I'm Not There that he does nothing out of vanity or the need to be liked. If there's a movement to get him the first posthumous Oscar since Peter Finch won for 1976's Network, sign me up. Ledger's Joker has no gray areas — he's all rampaging id. Watch him crash a party and circle Rachel, a woman torn between Bale's Bruce (she knows he's Batman) and Eckhart's DA, another lover she has to share with his civic duty. "Hello, beautiful," says the Joker, sniffing Rachel like a feral beast. He's right when he compares himself to a dog chasing a car: The chase is all. The Joker's sadism is limitless, and the masochistic delight he takes in being punched and bloodied to a pulp would shame the Marquis de Sade. "I choose chaos," says the Joker, and those words sum up what's at stake in The Dark Knight.

The Joker wants Batman to choose chaos as well. He knows humanity is what you lose while you're busy making plans to gain power. Every actor brings his A game to show the lure of the dark side. Michael Caine purrs with sarcastic wit as Bruce's butler, Alfred, who harbors a secret that could crush his boss's spirit. Morgan Freeman radiates tough wisdom as Lucius Fox, the scientist who designs those wonderful toys — wait till you get a load of the Batpod — but who finds his own standards being compromised. Gary Oldman is so skilled that he makes virtue exciting as Jim Gordon, the ultimate good cop and as such a prime target for the Joker. As Harvey tells the Caped Crusader, "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain." Eckhart earns major props for scarily and movingly portraying the DA's transformation into the dreaded Harvey Two-Face, an event sparked by the brutal murder of a major character.

No fair giving away the mysteries of The Dark Knight. It's enough to marvel at the way Nolan — a world-class filmmaker, be it Memento, Insomnia or The Prestige — brings pop escapism whisper-close to enduring art. It's enough to watch Bale chillingly render Batman as a lost warrior, evoking Al Pacino in The Godfather II in his delusion and desolation. It's enough to see Ledger conjure up the anarchy of the Sex Pistols and A Clockwork Orange as he creates a Joker for the ages. Go ahead, bitch about the movie being too long, at two and a half hours, for short attention spans (it is), too somber for the Hulk crowd (it is), too smart for its own good (it isn't). The haunting and visionary Dark Knight soars on the wings of untamed imagination. It's full of surprises you don't see coming. And just try to get it out of your dreams.
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He also gave Beowulf 3.5 stars  :-\

I'll wait till an Ebert review rolls along.
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sounds good

really want to see this one
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I never saw Beowulf. My boyfriend HATED it.
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BEOWULF WAS TERRIBLE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU SHINOBI
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Beowulf was the worst thing I ever saw in the movie theater.
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He also gave Beowulf 3.5 stars  :-\

I'll wait till an Ebert review rolls along.

Ebert gave The Happening 3 stars
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because of the exclamation points i thought he was comparing it to godfather part 3.

but peter travers

really?

REALLY?
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I generally find Travers to be the most reliable mainstream film critic- for me he's got a success rate of about 80%, which is pretty damn good.
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imma jack off to this movie

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Yeah, I got some good lolz over this at GAF. How do you hype a film to levels it can never actually reach? Comparing it to GFII, Network, and A Clockwork Orange in your review will do the trick.

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Yeah, I got some good lolz over this at GAF. How do you hype a film to levels it can never actually reach? Comparing it to GFII, Network, and A Clockwork Orange in your review will do the trick.

Who knows, maybe each ticket comes with a reach-around.  Stranger things have happened!
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Day 1 at the IMAX!
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I compare Dark Knight to Unforgiven
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 http://www.incontention.com/?p=614
 David Letterman gives maybe a bit too much real talk for anticipatory fans.


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Yeah, I got some good lolz over this at GAF. How do you hype a film to levels it can never actually reach? Comparing it to GFII, Network, and A Clockwork Orange in your review will do the trick.

Except it really will be just that fucking good.
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I'm fairly certain that this will be my favorite movie of all time, although I'm not convinced that any one scene with Ledger's Joker will eclipse the best of the Scarecrow from Begins.

I don't understand the problem with referencing other great movies in reference to this one. I don't see why it couldn't best them all.

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I think it's going to be far better than the first - which, let's face it, is a serviceable 8/10 action movie at best - but it's not going to be the greatest thing ever as GAF expects. I was shocked to see people on GAF constantly place BB in their top 10 list of all time. WTF?

Didn't strike me as a comparison to Godfather II as much as a comparison of aspects of the films. Hell American Gangster reminded me of the more political nature of Godfather II (when compared to the first), but obviously it's not nearly as good. 
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I think it's going to be far better than the first - which, let's face it, is a serviceable 8/10 action movie at best - but it's not going to be the greatest thing ever as GAF expects. I was shocked to see people on GAF constantly place BB in their top 10 list of all time. WTF?

Yeah, Top 10 is too conservative, it really should be in the Top 3.

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SMH

Duckman wanna go see the movie with me?
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How is this movie NOT going to be good?  Solo, I love you man, but your constant poo-pooing is starting to be annoying.  I mean, I'm not like some of the people at GAF, but Batman Begins really was awesome.  And this is going to be even better.

Having said that, am I the only one bugged that people keep throwing around Oscar for Ledger?  Fuck that–it's a comic book movie and he's dead.
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How is this movie NOT going to be good?  Solo, I love you man, but your constant poo-pooing is starting to be annoying.  I mean, I'm not like some of the people at GAF, but Batman Begins really was awesome.  And this is going to be even better.

Having said that, am I the only one bugged that people keep throwing around Oscar for Ledger?  Fuck that–it's a comic book movie and he's dead.

If his performance calls for an Oscar, then sure, give the man an Oscar. But in a way, this seems to be the same cause for (false) acclaim as when actors play distinguished mentally-challenged fellows/nuts in movies. Really dudes, you can play duuuh really well? How fucking impressive. It'd seem to me as if playing on the extreme end of things would be less of an achievement than pulling off the average dude role. The greater the separation between yourself and the character, the easier it should be to portray the character.

In that respect, I consider Murphy's portrayal of Scarecrow a lot more interesting.

SMH

Duckman wanna go see the movie with me?

I honestly can't do movie theaters these days. I only have hearing on one ear, so I can't separate sounds that well. And since people do not shut up in movie theaters, I'm afraid I might actually go ballistic on someone.

« Last Edit: June 26, 2008, 12:01:26 PM by duckman2000 »

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Hollywood loves giving pity awards and "achievement" awards to people (The Departed doesn't qualify distinguished mentally-challenged fellows). But isn't The Road coming out this year? Whether it's good or not Viggo is going to be awesome in it no doubt.
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Oh shit you're right.  Viggo has always been overshadowed by the more hyped choice, but he's ALWAYS consistently awesome.  Maybe someday he'll get one.
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Are there any good movie review sources that don't spoil the movies in the process of reviewing them? I've had quite a few disappointing moments when reading high profile reviews, where the reviewer would actually give away key events in the movies.

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Travers especially (TWBB comes to mind). He even included a spoiler in that TDK review, although that's already been discussed
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Oh shit you're right.  Viggo has always been overshadowed by the more hyped choice, but he's ALWAYS consistently awesome.  Maybe someday he'll get one.

I like Vigo and think he'll win an Oscar eventually.  I think he should have won for History of Violence, oh well.  And if Ledger gets nominated it will be as Best Supporting Actor I bet.
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How is this movie NOT going to be good?  Solo, I love you man, but your constant poo-pooing is starting to be annoying.  I mean, I'm not like some of the people at GAF, but Batman Begins really was awesome.  And this is going to be even better.

Having said that, am I the only one bugged that people keep throwing around Oscar for Ledger?  Fuck that–it's a comic book movie and he's dead.

Hey man, just ignore my "poo-pooing" if its that bad for you. No harm, no foul. And I'll give free handjobs to GAF if Ledger gets an Oscar nom.

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You can tell the review is a joke because it implies that Nolan's Insomnia is evidence of him being a world-class filmmaker.
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You don't like Nolan? WTF?

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No nipples on the batsuit, see.

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You don't like Nolan? WTF?

Insomnia Nolan is lol.

Now Memento and the Prestige, mostly omg
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So one movie he made isnt up to snuff and he's a LULZ director?

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You can tell the review is a joke because it implies that Nolan's Insomnia is evidence of him being a world-class filmmaker.

Insomnia, as in the US remake of the Norwegian movie (with Swedish actors)? I wasn't even aware that he directed that one.

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So one movie he made isnt up to snuff and he's a LULZ director?

I don't think anyone said this.  I said the review was a joke.  I think Nolan is a fine, if overrated, filmmaker.  If you think Insomnia is some sort of evidence of greatness, you've got the score wrong.

duckman, Nolan did the remake.  I am fond of the original.
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So one movie he made isnt up to snuff and he's a LULZ director?

Pretty sure TVC is just citing a "one of these doesn't belong" in the review's statement.
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duckman, Nolan did the remake.  I am fond of the original.

I'm not necessarily opposed to remakes, and certainly not when the original is a foreign language movie. Insomnia (NOR) was a good movie, so it makes sense that they'd attempt to bring it to a larger audience. But I did try to watch the US version, and really didn't like it. That might have been because I associated the characters with other actors, but it didn't feel like it was of equal quality to, and much less an improvement on the original movie.

But then I really, honestly do not like Al Pacino, so that might have been it.

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I am kind of hoping this movie is just mediocre so that most of NeoGAF's user base commits suicide.
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I am kind of hoping this movie is just mediocre so that most of NeoGAF's user base commits suicide.

This would be the best situation.  That review throws around a pretty ridiculous amount of hyperbole.  I'm sure this will be quality like the first movie, but was Travers like, trying intentionally to cite as many important movies of the 70s as possible there.  Does anyone hold serious illusions that The Dark Knight will ever be mentioned in the same sentence as Network again?  I wonder exactly how much it will make me think of A Clockwork Orange, unless Travers means it will make me go "Gee, I wish I was watching A Clockwork Orange right now."
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Beowulf was pretty damn good. I'm predisposed to like epic swords n sandals shit though
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you should read the original conan stories then
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  ::) whatever.... So many comic book performances have been nominated over the years in both 'serious' or 'comedic' films

If indeed this performance earn its moments with its actors, honestly sells the spontaniety, is in it for the psychology and the eyes moreso than mannerism and smile,  then the brainsick chameleon act Ledger has pulled off is just the icing. It shouldn't at all be a controversial nod. Juuuuust because a performance is categorized 'big' doesn't mean it cannot be subtle and set up challenges for the actor to evoke genuine panics.

 From the clips it doesn't look like showboating at all and with a character this larger than life that's something.

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you should read the original conan stories then

Edumacate me.
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That other shitty movie nolan did about magicians was pure trash, only japafags said it was good but it was pretty fucking terrible.

"LOL IM NOT REALLY ME" Really, Bale? You dumb idiot actor whose only loved because you were in the shitty Equilibrium? Really, Nolan? Who didn't see that twist coming from miles away.
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That other shitty movie nolan did about magicians was pure trash, only japafags said it was good but it was pretty fucking terrible.

"LOL IM NOT REALLY ME" Really, Bale? You dumb idiot actor whose only loved because you were in the shitty Equilibrium? Really, Nolan? Who didn't see that twist coming from miles away.

Why do always hate the things that are good in life?

And what does Japan have to do with The Prestige?

you should read the original conan stories then

Edumacate me.

The best place to start would be with one of the collections of Robert E. Howard's Conan short stories, such as Conquering Sword of Conan or the Bloody Crown of Conan. There's also some Conan comics that Dark Horse started releasing a few years back, it's basically in the same style as the Howard stories and even adapts a few. Robert Jordan also wrote some later Conan stories, but I can't vouch for their quality.
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The Prestige was pretty great aside from the expositionliciousness of the ending.
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Anything with David Bowie can't be that bad.



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Pretty good scifi movie, but really, really weird.
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you should read the original conan stories then

Edumacate me.

i'll do a quick review encapsulation of the first book available from Del Ray

http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Conan-Cimmerian-Original-Adventures/dp/0345461517


actually the review they have on that page is quite good
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if you are suggesting it's a bad movie, imma break your glasses
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if you are suggesting it's a bad movie, imma break your glasses

what is your obsession with children's fantasy?

did you see a dragon lance book take off it's bra when you were young?
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how do i have an obsession with children's fantasy? i read many fantasy books as a kid and watched many fantasy movies as a kid. today some still rock (labyrinth), some aren't quite as good as i remember (neverending story), and some never rocked to begin with (princess bride)
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You're crazy, The Princess Bride is great.

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Princess Bride is one of the most overrated movies I've ever seen. It's not funny, nor is it charming in any way. At least Neverending Story is still entertaining
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It may be overrated but I still find it charming and funny whereas The Neverending Story is basically unwatchable now.

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It certainly hasn't aged well at all, but I find most of the fantasy elements of the movie to be fun. That being said, there are some truly horrible scenes in there in hindsight

artax  :'(
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Superhero movies are gay.

That's just the brightly colored leotards that are throwing you off.