Author Topic: Dyack: "NeoGaf (not Wii Fit) is destroying the gaming industry" (Read 26173 times)

bachikarn · « **on:** July 03, 2008, 11:18:43 PM »

Holy shit: From the new 1Up Yours

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This week's 1UP Yours is unlike any we've ever released before. That's not to say our regular great content isn't still there. We've got lengthy Whatchya Been Playing and News segments, including discussion of Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, Quantum of Solace, Diablo III, and Rock Band 2. But after all of that, in a special third segment recorded earlier this week, we sit down in the studio with Denis Dyack of Silicon Knights.

Dyack's next game project, Too Human, is nearing release, but the game and its recent round of previews (check out 1UP's right here) aren't in the spotlight so much as Dyack himself. He recently faced a round of criticism when he showed up on the popular NeoGAF forums and issued a challenge to forum goers to speak out for or against his game. Unknown to us, though, Dyack claims he actually did this as preparation for his appearance on 1UP Yours, which he explains on this week's episode.

According to Dyack, the infamous NeoGAF thread was started as an experiment to expose the lack of accountability in online forums. "I was basically calling out people who had no way of assessing the game," Dyack says, adding, "All I wanted to point out to people is that this is so ridiculous." Near the end of the segment, he lays out exactly why he made the post:

"I went through all of this for two reasons.... If you're going to look at the NeoGAF forum as a non-profit organization, if it does not reform itself, it's eventually going to crumble. There's going to be a point where they step over the line where someone's going to shut them down. That would be a loss for everyone.... The question I have to ask the moderators of GAF: Are you going to follow your own rules? With people making GIFs of myself that are, I would say, attacking me.... Why haven't 180 people been banned now? If I wanted to move in and shut that place down, do I have grounds under their own forum policy?"

Dyack concludes, "NeoGAF and other forums like this that don't have good management are not only hurting society and hurting the videogame industry, they're in decline, and they need to reform quickly before people stop listening to them.... If the moderators and people who run the site think they aren't doing any damage, they are sorely mistaken, and it's only a matter of time before something bad happens."

The NeoGAF forum has become known as a destination for snarky videogame discussion as well as lightning-fast news and rumors from around the industry. Though it's difficult to explain in a succinct news post, Dyack's ideas about NeoGAF and other forums are based on a lengthy thought process inspired by various sources of philosophy, science fiction, and social theory that Dyack has been reading and exploring of late. As such, we highly recommend listening to the full interview and forming your reactions after hearing him out. For anyone interested in further reading, we've put together a list of links to articles that are mentioned in the episode as well as links to the Amazon listings for books Dyack discussed.

Listen to the full episode of 1UP Yours here or subscribe to our podcast feed via iTunes.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168552

Narag · « **Reply #1 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:20:12 PM »

I believe it after the IW thread.

"They didn't give us rumble? Fuck them. They didn't give us trophies? BOYCOTT."

All the while someone posting it'd take a junior programmer just a day to implement rumble and inviting IW to contact his company.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:21:30 PM »

This is fucking hilarious.

Dyack has provided more entertainment on the internet than I'd ever have with Too Human.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:21:35 PM »

Why can't this guy just shut the fuck up

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #4 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:22:57 PM »

Why can't 1up shut the fuck up about a forum that only a tiny number of gamers know about?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #5 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:23:24 PM »

hahaha "hurting society"

y2kev · « **Reply #6 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:23:33 PM »

I can't believe it

demi · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:24:09 PM »

Oh my god, Dyack

I can't wait to buy this game

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:24:28 PM »

Time to eat away the pain again...

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #9 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:25:03 PM »

I hope evilbore never hurts society

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:25:20 PM »

Dyack>>>>>>>>>>Drinky

This man is the greatest internet troll ever. He's got all the bases covered, including the "make bags of money while trolling" one

cool breeze · « **Reply #11 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:26:32 PM »

Denis Dyack is a joke. Pour one out for the rest of SK.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #12 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:26:51 PM »

As I said in the other thread, Dyack is not insane, he is just desperate and dismayed. This is probably what he thought would be his magnum opus and every attempt to promote it has found a way of backlashing.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #13 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:27:06 PM »

Quote from: The Iconistrator on July 03, 2008, 11:25:03 PM

I hope evilbore never hurts society

I wonder how many 360s the EB Xbots have helped to sell.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #14 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:27:13 PM »

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Though it's difficult to explain in a succinct news post, Dyack's ideas about NeoGAF and other forums are based on a lengthy thought process inspired by various sources of philosophy, science fiction, and social theory that Dyack has been reading and exploring of late. As such, we highly recommend listening to the full interview and forming your reactions after hearing him out. For anyone interested in further reading, we've put together a list of links to articles that are mentioned in the episode as well as links to the Amazon listings for books Dyack discussed.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #15 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:28:10 PM »

Taking NeoGaf seriously would destroy a company
Fortunately nobody takes NeoGaf seriously

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #16 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:29:05 PM »

Quote from: Sho Nuff on July 03, 2008, 11:28:10 PM

Taking NeoGaf seriously would destroy a company
Fortunately nobody takes NeoGaf seriously

Grecco · « **Reply #17 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:30:07 PM »

He had to suffer a serious head injury in the past couple of years

y2kev · « **Reply #18 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:43:57 PM »

bubu maybe he's totally joking and the troll is on us!

yes, i believe the man who opens his diablo clone game with a nietzsche quote is totally kidding.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #19 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:45:37 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 03, 2008, 11:31:01 PM

Derek Dyack

pretty much. complete with his own collection of good-much like smart-that stick up for him relentlessly despite the bad behavior.

cool breeze · « **Reply #20 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:48:56 PM »

I skipped to the middle of the podcast when Dyack is on and this shit is hilarious.

Dyack is a fucking loon.

drohne · « **Reply #21 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:49:33 PM »

as completely insane as all this is, its tone isn't a million miles away from evilbore's xbot martyr squad

demi · « **Reply #22 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:53:26 PM »

Quote from: drohne on July 03, 2008, 11:49:33 PM

as completely insane as all this is, its tone isn't a million miles away from evilbore's xbot martyr squad

Grow up

Draft · « **Reply #23 on:** July 03, 2008, 11:58:33 PM »

The man's lost it. He's really out of his mind.

Forget Too Human bombing, this loon being in charge is more than enough to sink a company.

Tucah · « **Reply #24 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:02:06 AM »

Wow, Dyack. Wow.

MoxManiac · « **Reply #25 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:05:16 AM »

Considering some of the harmless shit that gets people banned on GAF, i'd say it's overmoderated.

I'm very thankful I can say japafag and homo here with impunity

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #26 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:09:59 AM »

Gawd I love Dyack. Anyone who calls the mods at GAF to the rug I'm a fan of...

Grecco · « **Reply #27 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:10:34 AM »

Shamelessly stolen from gaf. Has me laughing

etiolate · « **Reply #28 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:11:02 AM »

reposting this here, but seriously, I think Dyack has a huge self esteem issue

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According to Dyack, the infamous NeoGAF thread was started as an experiment to expose the lack of accountability in online forums.

How can he not know that is a pure reflection of the industry itself? An industry of false promises, big talk and huge letdowns. An industry that talks of maturity, but couldn't write a thought provoking story if the entire game was laid out for them. It wants to have its nudity and blood, but not have to face the same standards of art that every other media does. Where is Mr. Dyack's accountability? Too Human was a 6 year game that boiled down to a hack n slash with choppy animation.

cool breeze · « **Reply #29 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:11:37 AM »

This keeps getting better and better.

Best is that he people in the room keep agreeing with him, but they probably don't realize what the fuck he is saying.

Grecco · « **Reply #30 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:12:08 AM »

Im still waiting for that Demo.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #31 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:20:37 AM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on July 04, 2008, 12:09:59 AM

Gawd I love Dyack. Anyone who calls the mods at GAF to the rug I'm a fan of...

Pfft, whatever Mr. "I just want a white quarterback"

huckleberry · « **Reply #32 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:27:41 AM »

I don't even know what to make of this whole fiasco (farce). I was never too big on Too Human (didn't really ever pay attention to it), but every time I heard Dyack I became just a little less interested in it. Is it fair to say he is a whiny douchebag?

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #33 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:30:02 AM »

Someone should tell Dyack about our Outside Link Thread. Just keep it all in that thread, Denis!

Trent Dole · « **Reply #34 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:31:18 AM »

Quote from: Arde0 on July 04, 2008, 12:27:41 AM

I don't even know what to make of this whole fiasco (farce). I was never too big on Too Human (didn't really ever pay attention to it), but every time I heard Dyack I became just a little less interested in it. Is it fair to say he is a whiny douchebag?

That'd be going easy on him...

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #35 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:32:17 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 03, 2008, 11:22:57 PM

Why can't 1up shut the fuck up about a forum that only a tiny number of gamers know about?

When said forum is basically feeding news-factual or not-to much larger and more visited sites, which are in turn feeding news into more mainstream outlets, there is a problem.

Though that problem doesn't have anything to do with the forum where stuff is originating. But I don't think it's wrong to say that to some degree a place like NeoGAF or equally large, under-moderated message board full of raving fanboys aren't helping drive better coverage of the hobby in the news.

Crushed · « **Reply #36 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:34:27 AM »

Jesus, even I don't whine about GAF this much.

demi · « **Reply #37 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:35:43 AM »

Please anyone else with an account link him here, we must get him to post or register

Vrolokus · « **Reply #38 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:35:50 AM »

By saying this, all Dyack does is feed the problem of developers, publishers and the gaming media ascribing way too much relevance to NeoGAF.

Crushed · « **Reply #39 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:41:11 AM »

Oh wow, I never even realized this.

He needs to listen to Nietzsche's advice.

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"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become one himself."

It's at the beginning of your fucking game, dude.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:42:08 AM »

So, when is Dyack going to get around to contest the claims made by the blind supporters? Until he develops some god damned sense of continuity and consistency, his high horse parades will never attract much but rotten tomatoes.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #41 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:43:09 AM »

Quote from: Crushed on July 04, 2008, 12:41:11 AM

Oh wow, I never even realized this.

He needs to listen to Nietzsche's advice.

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"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become one himself."

It's at the beginning of your fucking game, dude.

moar like

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"Whoever argues with distinguished mentally-challenged fellows should see fit to it that in the process he doesn't distinguished mentally-challenged fellow himself."

amirite lolz

Crushed · « **Reply #42 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:49:15 AM »

Also, "social experiment" is one of the worst variations on the "j/k parachute."

Saying it's "a social experiment" is basically just, "I acted like a douchebag, and you had a normal human reaction. Don't you feel stupid for having common sense, you should have been enlightened like me. This 'experiment' proves that when faced with a douchebag, a person will laugh at them or get angry. What stupid troglodytes."

laesperanzapaz · « **Reply #43 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:50:11 AM »

as hilarious and embarrassing this is, Dyack is trolling to bring up the reputation and infamy of Too Human beyond levels of anything else before it.

OFc ourse, whether that will pay off in sales is something to be seen.

Quote from: Crushed on July 04, 2008, 12:34:27 AM

Jesus, even I don't whine about GAF this much.

acchually, you doo

Crushed · « **Reply #44 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:55:57 AM »

maybe he forgot to check his sanity meter

he's being controlled by the darke magick of the mistress xelo'tath

ferrarimanf355 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:10:15 AM »

Quote from: Amber Lambchops on July 03, 2008, 11:25:20 PM

Dyack>>>>>>>>>>Drinky

This man is the greatest internet troll ever. He's got all the bases covered, including the "make bags of money while trolling" one

Derek Smart would like to have a word with you...

cool breeze · « **Reply #46 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:15:07 AM »

After listening to the entire session, I am seriously shocked by how hypocritical and ignorant Dyack really is. He claims he has 'thick skin' and is willing to accept it when someone tells him he is wrong, yet after E3 2006 he attacked critics who said the early build of his game was bad.

Dyack in 2006: A preview talks bad about his game, he attacks previews and says they should be gone.
Dyack in 2007: The bad showing was because of the middleware, he attacks and sues Epic.
Dyack in 2008: Gaming forums talk bad about his game, he attacks gaming forums and says they should be gone or reformed.

I am in awe of how crazy this man really is. Seek mental help, Dyack.

Grecco · « **Reply #47 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:15:47 AM »

Im listening to it now.

God Damnit its all Mark McDonalds fault

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #48 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:20:26 AM »

hey, congrats to dennis for discovering what everyone else discovered in 1998

internet = open forum for everyone

everyone = worthless douchebags

EDIT: did i spell dennis right, haha who cares

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #49 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:22:10 AM »

Wait...he said this on 1up Yours?

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #50 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:25:26 AM »

when they invent internet tactical nukes i am killing 99.8% of the internet instantly, budget allowing

just letting you know

Grecco · « **Reply #51 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:26:26 AM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on July 04, 2008, 01:22:10 AM

Wait...he said this on 1up Yours?

Theres a huge diatribe on how NeoGaf is one of the causes of the downfall of society. And his whole post on Gaf was to reform society, the way we think about forums, game journalism and too human.

He Trully trully is insane.

Crushed · « **Reply #52 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:30:52 AM »

oh my god denis looked up kittonwy's address

Grecco · « **Reply #53 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:32:01 AM »

Im still at "scientism"

cool breeze · « **Reply #54 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:32:55 AM »

Quote from: Crushed on July 04, 2008, 01:30:52 AM

oh my god denis looked up kittonwy's address

Even after he went on a whole tirade about how internet privacy is a big deal with the Jeff Bell fiasco. Unbelievable.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #55 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:33:04 AM »

he's partially right

just unfocused

people behave differently on the internet, without rules and restrictions, and it is only a matter of time until that behavior carries over and is considered acceptable in real-life society

we are already seeing instances of it

good luck to your children

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #56 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:35:42 AM »

I can't imagine any other 'personality' involved in entertainment going on a rant like this except for rappers.

Grecco · « **Reply #57 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:37:39 AM »

He reads way too many books.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #58 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:39:24 AM »

This whole Too Human saga, all the way back from the PSX days, is simply incredible, although the last three years have really reached a fever-pitch. We've got a long development cycle across at least three different platforms, lawsuits, rants, breakdowns, choppy animation, and a larger-than-life character. If Hollywood doesn't knock out a King of Kong-style movie within the next few years, I will be sorely disappointed.

Tigerriot · « **Reply #59 on:** July 04, 2008, 01:39:58 AM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on July 03, 2008, 11:21:35 PM

Why can't this guy just shut the fuck up

Because he's an absolute idiot who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. This dude is seriously about to go off the deep end. He's invested years of his life, and now his entire reputation, on a game that is going to go down as mediocre at best.

I truly would not be surprised if the dude ending up killing himself as his career goes down in flames. He just doesn't seem stable at times when he speaks about other people hurting his game, and being unfair to him. His ability to reason is broken.

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Author Topic: Dyack: "NeoGaf (not Wii Fit) is destroying the gaming industry" (Read 26173 times)