Official Nintendo E3 Press Conference Thread of Nongames for Nongamers

[Crushed]

animal crossing: because asperger's needs an outlet

You kid, but my nine year old nephew that has asperger's LOVES Animal Crossing.  He likes shit like the Sims, too.  It's disturbing how much that child likes to decorate things, now that I think on it...

Your Aspergian nephew

Animal Crossing

and its terrible secret

[Van Cruncheon]

of course he does. you can do repetitive, focused tasks on a grid-like map, and complete arbitrary collections without the threat of time, state failure, or diminishment. you just keep filling invisible buckets and on-screen grids until the game tells you THINGS ARE COMPLETE. this is very reassuring to impaired children, like your nephew and crushed.

[duckman2000]

of course he does. you can do repetitive, focused tasks on a grid-like map, and complete arbitrary collections without the threat of time, state failure, or diminishment. you just keep filling invisible buckets and on-screen grids until the game tells you THINGS ARE COMPLETE. this is very reassuring to impaired children, like your nephew and crushed.

 

[Tabasco]

[Crushed]

I mainly just liked catching rare fish and planting trees. I never liked the delivery chores or such too much.

[pilonv1]

AC's not completely without merit, but I definitely liked it better when it was an overdone interface for playing NES roms.

It just feels so.... I dunno, empty, bland, whatever, without the quest for NES games.

AC is what you'd get if you made an MMORPG with out the community, the gameplay and the character classes. It's like a Nintendo single player version of Orgrimmar.

[cool breeze]

As someone who plays Animal Crossing and enjoys it, I have no clue why I do enjoy it.  It is a game that encourage OCD and addiction.  I guess that is the main draw.  One day you will wake up and start picking the same damn fruits off the same damn trees to earn money to buy fake shit or NES games you already have.  This is what I imagine hell would be like, only less cute, kind of like being a farmer or something drab like that.  It has the same appeal as a loot game has, except without the basic (Diablo) or horrid (Too Human) combat.  The ways to get shit are also spread out so it isn't just one task.  Farming is one option.  Fishing is another. 

[Jabberwocky]

I mainly just liked catching rare fish and planting trees. I never liked the delivery chores or such too much.

Did you only play the DS version?

The GC game was superior all around. Better "sidequests", better layout, better framerate, NES games, more room for storing patterns, a journal, better feeling of the game all around. The DS game was a letdown for me.

I know it would make me a tool, but I would really like a Wild World+, complete with NES games and more room for storing patterns (I <3 making patterns).

[Hollywood]

Higher quality Madworld trailer: http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14253678/madworld/videos/madworld_jumpingbackbreaker_071508.html

This is the stuff you should have shown, Nintendo.

Does it really even matter whats being shown at a conference? I'm sure they could have scrapped up a demo of that, some play of Wario, Mega Man 9 VC, a couple of CG trailers of Zelda in two years and Kid Icarus and everyone would have said 'omg Nintendo owned' - but what does it matter? It's just a press conference.

[Crushed]

"There isn't anything that we can announce right now, but I'm sure we'll probably do something with it," Miyamoto said of a Wii Pikmin sequel. "The Pikmin team is, of course, still there and maybe we'll have something to talk about before too long." We like the sound of that.

In regard to a new New Super Mario Bros. for DS, Miyamoto tried to throw us off guard with trickery about not being able to announce unfinished projects. "That team is also working hard," he said. "The thing that's difficult is that, as you know, the way we handle our announcement is we work on product and once the product is at a state where we feel it's ready to show to people, then that's when we're willing to talk about it. Which is why it's difficult for me to talk about different projects in interviews. I have a lot of different teams and those teams are all at different points in their experiments or development, so it's typically once they've finalized something that we're able to talk about it. But for me to go into too much detail would be a little bit irresponsible in an interview. All that I can say is that that team is also working."

When we pressed him for more, Miyamoto added, "Maybe the best thing for you to understand is that all of the leaders of those teams -- of the Mario team, of the Zelda team and of the Pikmin team -- all sit within 150 feet of my desk. The Galaxy team is the only one that's farther away -- they're in Tokyo. But I do have video conferencing with them."

We stunned him with a hard-hitting follow-up: 'We don't really have a question. We just want you to make another Galaxy game.' To this, Miyamoto replied, "Leave it to me."

http://wii.ign.com/articles/890/890276p1.html

"Leave it to me" says the man who just played a fake saxophone on stage with a Wiimote.

[cool breeze]

Does it really even matter whats being shown at a conference? I'm sure they could have scrapped up a demo of that, some play of Wario, Mega Man 9 VC, a couple of CG trailers of Zelda in two years and Kid Icarus and everyone would have said 'omg Nintendo owned' - but what does it matter? It's just a press conference.

Fuck yes it matters.  Maybe not for sales, and maybe not for anything they should put extra effort into doing, but it about pleasing the few fans who are going to stick with you until this shitty casual gaming trend ends.  I can't wait to see Nintendo come down hard, which won't happen, but still!  The moment of E3 when Miyamoto came out and showed that Zelda TP trailer was when they realized this.  I mean, Nintendo is no longer in the video game business, but E3 is all about showing the hot video games to get you frothing with demand until they release.  It is about indulging your fans.

[Hollywood]

Does it really even matter whats being shown at a conference? I'm sure they could have scrapped up a demo of that, some play of Wario, Mega Man 9 VC, a couple of CG trailers of Zelda in two years and Kid Icarus and everyone would have said 'omg Nintendo owned' - but what does it matter? It's just a press conference.

Fuck yes it matters.  Maybe not for sales, and maybe not for anything they should put extra effort into doing, but it about pleasing the few fans who are going to stick with you until this shitty casual gaming trend ends.  I can't wait to see Nintendo come down hard, which won't happen, but still!  The moment of E3 when Miyamoto came out and showed that Zelda TP trailer was when they realized this.  I mean, Nintendo is no longer in the video game business, but E3 is all about showing the hot video games to get you frothing with demand until they release.  It is about indulging your fans.

It matters about 0.000001% compared to the release. You realize that, you know, games are actually played? I know thats a foreign concept for some, but whether or not you see the game a year and a half before its released or two days before its released, I don't see how it affects the enjoyment of the game. Hell, I rather NOT read anything on it. I don't really understand the jerkoff fest of screens and videos. I'll look at a couple screens in a thread, and thats it, I don't really care. But if you're obsessed, hey thats you - not everyone. Throw Bungie and Microsoft into that group too then, because they just had a countdown on their website that was nixed apparently where they were going to reveal something.

[cool breeze]

So honestly, how would you get excited for a game then? by reading incompetent 'journalist' attempt to write a review? Games are a medium where we can show them early and you are able to at least gauge them with an understanding.  Movies have trailers, but you can't show someone the reel of something shot earlier that week and ask them to say how its coming along.  It seems like you are able to grasp the concept of opinions in your post, although very with still judging the other spectrum a bit, but leave it at that.

[Hollywood]

So honestly, how would you get excited for a game then? by reading incompetent 'journalist' attempt to write a review? Games are a medium where we can show them early and you are able to at least gauge them with an understanding.  Movies have trailers, but you can't show someone the reel of something shot earlier that week and ask them to say how its coming along.  It seems like you are able to grasp the concept of opinions in your post, although very with still judging the other spectrum a bit, but leave it at that.

I don't get excited for games much anymore. I'm at a point when I don't care. Maybe like 6-7 years ago I would be upset with no news, but really, I don't care anymore. Some of you act like its life or death. I'm pretty sure when the games come out, there will be ample previews and marketing for a few months, I just don't see the point in pumping stuff up not coming out until the end of next year. It's a vicious cycle.

Company releases hype CG/small gameplayer trailer in year one E3, and maybe some sporatic details over the next year. Then in year two E3 they release hands on impressions, and then release the game later that year. The thing is, in year two E3 when there's hands on of that game, it seems to not be as big a deal because it was "already announced last year" so a game in the year one CG/small gameplay stage is ridiculously hyped over it.

For example, take Resident Evil 5. They showed it last year, had a nice CG trailer and showed a little bit of stuff between this year and last; and this year there was GAMEPLAY, HANDS ON, everything. But what do people care? I don't see peopel saying "OMG RE 5 playable!! Megaton!!" Why? Because it was already shown, last year, with just a trailer. I guarantee if they didn't speak a word of this game up until today and no one knew it existed, THEN came out with the trailer, AND the hands on - it would have been a HUGEEE deal. But no, its not. You know why? The typical E3 hype cycle. I don't see why people keep clamoring for it, because the same damn thing happens over and over again. People want big announcements as soon as a game has a line of code written for it, even if its not released for two years, but its self destructive.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

E3 2008: New Galaxy, Pikmin and DS Mario Coming?
Miyamoto drops some not-so-vague hints.

July 15, 2008 - At the Electronic Entertainment Expo 2008, we made it our mission to bombard Nintendo producer Shigeru Miyamoto with nearly unanswerable questions about possible games in development -- because, frankly, that's how we roll. Although he politely explained that he could not announce new products to us, we would not relent and we did come away with a few not-so-vague hints about projects underway. Namely, a new Pikmin title for Wii, a sequel to Mario Galaxy and a DS sequel to New Super Mario Bros.

"There isn't anything that we can announce right now, but I'm sure we'll probably do something with it," Miyamoto said of a Wii Pikmin sequel. "The Pikmin team is, of course, still there and maybe we'll have something to talk about before too long." We like the sound of that.

In regard to a new New Super Mario Bros. for DS, Miyamoto tried to throw us off guard with trickery about not being able to announce unfinished projects. "That team is also working hard," he said. "The thing that's difficult is that, as you know, the way we handle our announcement is we work on product and once the product is at a state where we feel it's ready to show to people, then that's when we're willing to talk about it. Which is why it's difficult for me to talk about different projects in interviews. I have a lot of different teams and those teams are all at different points in their experiments or development, so it's typically once they've finalized something that we're able to talk about it. But for me to go into too much detail would be a little bit irresponsible in an interview. All that I can say is that that team is also working."

When we pressed him for more, Miyamoto added, "Maybe the best thing for you to understand is that all of the leaders of those teams -- of the Mario team, of the Zelda team and of the Pikmin team -- all sit within 150 feet of my desk. The Galaxy team is the only one that's farther away -- they're in Tokyo. But I do have video conferencing with them."

We stunned him with a hard-hitting follow-up: 'We don't really have a question. We just want you to make another Galaxy game.' To this, Miyamoto replied, "Leave it to me."

New titles confirmed by the ultimate insider.

[Grecco]

As much shit as Cassamasaina gets. He did call the stupid boom box microphone thing.

[Jabberwocky]

As much shit as Cassamasaina gets. He did call the stupid boom box microphone thing.

He also called Tales of Symphonia: KoR and the cancelled Halo DS.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Yeah but shit, I could tell you that there will be another Mario game.  You don't need Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward working overtime on this story.  Seems like such a non-event.  Must've been scrambling to write something for a deadline.

[drohne]

is it clear to anyone else what wii motion plus actually does? would anyone bat an eye if they showed the new wii sports demos without mention of an add-on? fawning gafers are presumably just experiencing the placebo effect, but i thought i'd ask and make sure

[cool breeze]

is it clear to anyone else what wii motion plus actually does? would anyone bat an eye if they showed the new wii sports demos without mention of an add-on? fawning gafers are presumably just experiencing the placebo effect, but i thought i'd ask and make sure

It probably just adds another gyro.  Two gyro working together would help. 

Look at it this way, if you needed to flick something, it would be able to accurately sense the movement at the end of the wii remote (where this device is plugged in) since the range of movement is more clear.

[BlueTsunami]

is it clear to anyone else what wii motion plus actually does? would anyone bat an eye if they showed the new wii sports demos without mention of an add-on? fawning gafers are presumably just experiencing the placebo effect, but i thought i'd ask and make sure

Supposedly its supposed to be way more responsive or something. Think how before it was basically you using some gestures and now you can flail about at different angles and the thing on screen will flail about also.

[Grecco]

Yeah but shit, I could tell you that there will be another Mario game.  You don't need Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward working overtime on this story.  Seems like such a non-event.  Must've been scrambling to write something for a deadline.

I agree with you on the shoddy journalism. Just that he deserves at least some credit with all his predictions and bullshit. But with a shitty 3 game performance by Nintendo, and i dont know if id call them games. He might need something to write.



Oh and Drohne. Its a seccond more sensitive gyro.

[Bildi]

Yeah, I'm guessing the add-on is all about very high accuracy.

[BlueTsunami]

Holy shit, the 1:1 addon is 1 year away? I thought it would be coming out this year, seeing as how they ANNOUNCED IT. Totally ridiculous. And it justifies the "We announced 1:1 for so the hardcore gamers could feel included". Jesus.

[gibletsngravy]

I sure hope Wii Music contains my favorite public domain hits

Camptown Races
Old McDonald

 confirmed!  
 

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

 

Well that wasn't unexpected.

Now let's tear this motherfucker down with a midi version of Turkey in the Straw!

[Great Rumbler]

GTA on the DS huh?

Bet it looks like shit.

Only if it's different from the first two GTA games.

[Crushed]

Yeah, I'm guessing the second gyros (or whatever the system is) combined with the existing one and the pointer create enough reference points that the Wii can pretty much tell which way you're holding and pointing the thing, the angle the Remote is being held at, difference in speed between the hand and the wrist to be more accurate, etc., without just assuming that the player is doing what they're told.

Essentially, when it tells you to flick up, you can't just flick in any direction, you have to actually flick up.

The sword fighting and frisbee did look a lot smoother and more accurate than other psuedo 1:1 Wii games (like Wii Sports, the upper/lower sword stances No More Heroes, a lot of stuff from Z&W). Usually, it'd be spazzing out a bit because you'd be controlling these large objects with only one real reference point. It was a bit like trying to balance a broom handle on the palm of your hand. Only the broom couldn't tell the difference between your palm or the back of your hand.

[Oblivion]

is it clear to anyone else what wii motion plus actually does? would anyone bat an eye if they showed the new wii sports demos without mention of an add-on? fawning gafers are presumably just experiencing the placebo effect, but i thought i'd ask and make sure

The higher ups at the publisher I work at said they got a chance to try out the new doohicky today and that it's significantly more accurate than just the Wii remote by itself. Not sure exactly what they tried, tho.

[Vyer]

Man, Nintendo's E3 was shit.  (Except hell yeah I'll play Animal Crossing.)

Still, this is the same Nintendo that could only manage one Mario and one Zelda game all last gen.   They've already put out all their big guns on the Wii.  It's pretty clear that they had nothing ready this year at all.  Though it seems like they have all their teams working on major shit again (mario, zelda, pikmin, etc.)

A year from now they'll announce all that at once and the fanboys will be frothing again.

[Grecco]

Shitting it all at once is kind of a stupid thing to do


( I would have been ok with B level stuff, Pikmin, Star Fox, Punch Out)

[The Sceneman]

Animal Crossing cant wait

[Oblivion]

How the fuck can Nintendo sell the same game for 10 years without a single change in graphics? (Animal Crossing)

Who the fuck are the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows buying that shit?

If you're interested in AC to begin with, chances are you ain't buying it for it's visual fidelity.

[Bildi]

I'm probably distinguished mentally-challenged. 

[Tieno]

Just saw this gif...did this actually occur during the conference? Legendary game designer Miyamoto? Embarrassing.

It's like those celebrities who used to be famous and are now forced to perform in a circus.

[Human Snorenado]

Yeah, that's way worse than when he come out with a plastic sword and shield, striking an action pose.  Or when he came out dressed as a conductor waving a wand around in a poor attempt to emulate a real composer.  The man's a big, crazy, boychild golden goose.  If he has fun stumbling around playing an imaginary saxophone into a chunk of plastic, I say let him do it.  He seems happy.

I'm sure Nintendo would be concerned if these goofy "let's pretend" ideas weren't selling like hotcakes, but since they are, I think they can live with letting Commander Crazy out of his pen once or twice a year.

Nonsense.  Allowing Miyamoto to do what he wants is what has landed us with a roster of non-games dominating the sales charts.  Someone should be beating him with sticks at random intervals until he produces something that plays like an actual game.

[Eel O'Brian]

you know, i've been thinking about it

nintendo isn't killing gaming

i mean, look at all the cool games coming out over the next year for 360/PS3/PC - fuck, i can't even afford everything i want for this year alone

the side forays 360/PS3/PC take into casually distinguished mentally-challenged things like avatars and waggle (xaggle and saggle still coming, believe) are just that - side forays, and you can safely choose to ignore all that stuff should you wish

no, the only thing nintendo is killing is nintendo

you can be happy or sad about that (i choose ambivalence), but don't worry about gaming

[GilloD]

you know, i've been thinking about it

nintendo isn't killing gaming

i mean, look at all the cool games coming out over the next year for 360/PS3/PC - fuck, i can't even afford everything i want for this year alone

the side forays 360/PS3/PC take into casually distinguished mentally-challenged things like avatars and waggle (xaggle and saggle still coming, believe) are just that - side forays, and you can safely choose to ignore all that stuff should you wish

no, the only thing nintendo is killing is nintendo

you can be happy or sad about that (i choose ambivalence), but don't worry about gaming

I've made this same post like a dozen times in the last two days and keep getting nailed for it. Nintendo isn't in the "gaming" business anymore than Apple is the "portable music player" business. Nintendo is in the Wii business, Apple is in the iPod business. There is preciously little crossover with other players in their respective markets. It's a different business, stop feeling so threatened. As far as I;m concerned, Wii Music is on par with Fisher Price- just a toy and certainly not a ZOMG GAMING APOCALYPSE.

[cool breeze]

Yeah, Nintendo isn't killing gaming.  It is the companies that think that they need to follow Nintendo's lead that are killing gaming.

[Bocsius]

Good to see people not senselessly scared senselessly by the Wii. It is what it is. It's nothing to worry about.

[Eel O'Brian]

i was pretty much just pissed i sat through the whole conference

that 1:1 Motionplus thing piqued my interest and got my hopes up for a couple of Xbox-level shooters, until i found out it was still a year away and reggie admitted devs haven't even started using it yet

so i'll keep that $250 in my pocket for another year

[Human Snorenado]

Way to miss the boat, guys. 

It's not that they're killing gaming, it's that they're fully capable of producing high quality games that I would like to play, but instead sink their resources into this nongaming crap.  Sure it's profitable for them, but so what?  As a "hardcore" (for lack of a better term) gaming consumer I would like to have as many options for gameplay as possible.  Nintendo seems focused on ignoring my desires so that old people, women and autistic children will buy truckloads of their shit.  The thing is, I highly doubt that these demographics are going to KEEP buying their shit.  Most of them just want to play Wii Sports and the sequel.  It's just unfortunate that Nintendo has gone this route.  It's even worse than Sega- Sega used to be able to make good games but forgot how.  Nintendo still knows how, but doesn't want to bother.  THAT'S what should piss you people off, instead you're just like "lol different market".  Sad.

[Eel O'Brian]

well, of course you have a point, but it's less i "missed the boat" than it is i "just don't really care what nintendo does"

if i was offended by that conference it's simply because i finished watching it thinking my time would have been better spent in other ways like working, or reading, or staring at the carpet

[cool breeze]

Well, they did straight up say "Guys who made Mario and Zelda are working on more games" at one point.

[Bocsius]

I guess there is that whole deal about liking Nintendo games. Fortunately, I don't really have that problem. Sure, I like a couple, but whatever. Meh... there are other choices out there.

[Human Snorenado]

Well, they did straight up say "Guys who made Mario and Zelda are working on more games" at one point.

And that's cool and all, but when you spend your hour emphasizing nothing but the nongaming crap, then say "oh yah we got some stuff for you core gamerz too, but y'all are embarrassing so meet us behind the auditorium and we'll talk about it" wtf point are we supposed to take from it?

[Bocsius]

And that's cool and all, but when you spend your hour emphasizing nothing but the nongaming crap, then say "oh yah we got some stuff for you core gamerz too, but y'all are embarrassing so meet us behind the auditorium and we'll talk about it" wtf point are we supposed to take from it?

I still think that goes back to the intended audience. The hardcore will find all that stuff about the games they want to play. The mainstream press that pays attention maybe once or twice a year needs to hear about the stuff that will play with the soccer moms. The hardcore games aren't going to register with them, so why waste the time showing them? When you've got the attention of the mainstream, cater to the mainstream. The hardcore will still find the information they're seeking elsewhere.

[Crushed]

Holy shit, I just had weird DOUBLE deja-vu in this thread.

Like, seriously, I think I had a dream once in which I saw the Yankee Doodle songlist post, and thought, "Woah, deja vu."

[GilloD]

Way to miss the boat, guys. 

It's not that they're killing gaming, it's that they're fully capable of producing high quality games that I would like to play, but instead sink their resources into this nongaming crap.  Sure it's profitable for them, but so what?  As a "hardcore" (for lack of a better term) gaming consumer I would like to have as many options for gameplay as possible.  Nintendo seems focused on ignoring my desires so that old people, women and autistic children will buy truckloads of their shit.  The thing is, I highly doubt that these demographics are going to KEEP buying their shit.  Most of them just want to play Wii Sports and the sequel.  It's just unfortunate that Nintendo has gone this route.  It's even worse than Sega- Sega used to be able to make good games but forgot how.  Nintendo still knows how, but doesn't want to bother.  THAT'S what should piss you people off, instead you're just like "lol different market".  Sad.

I'm with you on this point. But given the dismal software sales, I think they'll be more or less forced to push out some first-party magic to move systems once the OH WOW factor starts to wear off. Or maybe they'll just got the Sega route. Shadow Mario?

[tiesto]

Way to miss the boat, guys. 

It's not that they're killing gaming, it's that they're fully capable of producing high quality games that I would like to play, but instead sink their resources into this nongaming crap.  Sure it's profitable for them, but so what?  As a "hardcore" (for lack of a better term) gaming consumer I would like to have as many options for gameplay as possible.  Nintendo seems focused on ignoring my desires so that old people, women and autistic children will buy truckloads of their shit.  The thing is, I highly doubt that these demographics are going to KEEP buying their shit.  Most of them just want to play Wii Sports and the sequel.  It's just unfortunate that Nintendo has gone this route.  It's even worse than Sega- Sega used to be able to make good games but forgot how.  Nintendo still knows how, but doesn't want to bother.  THAT'S what should piss you people off, instead you're just like "lol different market".  Sad.

For the most part, I agree with you here... when Nintendo is on, they're on like Donkey Kong (shitty pun intended). Wario, Galaxy, Fire Emblem, Zelda and Smash prove they still have it. But I will disagree with you about Sega... Sega doesn't make good games outside of their arcade division anymore, but at least they still fund teams who are capable of making good games. Although, what they did with some of their core franchises (Sonic, PS) is a far worse crime than anything Nintendo has done. Since at least we can ignore the Nintendo casual games and play their core games and enjoy them.

[Human Snorenado]

Way to miss the boat, guys. 

It's not that they're killing gaming, it's that they're fully capable of producing high quality games that I would like to play, but instead sink their resources into this nongaming crap.  Sure it's profitable for them, but so what?  As a "hardcore" (for lack of a better term) gaming consumer I would like to have as many options for gameplay as possible.  Nintendo seems focused on ignoring my desires so that old people, women and autistic children will buy truckloads of their shit.  The thing is, I highly doubt that these demographics are going to KEEP buying their shit.  Most of them just want to play Wii Sports and the sequel.  It's just unfortunate that Nintendo has gone this route.  It's even worse than Sega- Sega used to be able to make good games but forgot how.  Nintendo still knows how, but doesn't want to bother.  THAT'S what should piss you people off, instead you're just like "lol different market".  Sad.

For the most part, I agree with you here... when Nintendo is on, they're on like Donkey Kong (shitty pun intended). Wario, Galaxy, Fire Emblem, Zelda and Smash prove they still have it. But I will disagree with you about Sega... Sega doesn't make good games outside of their arcade division anymore, but at least they still fund teams who are capable of making good games. Although, what they did with some of their core franchises (Sonic, PS) is a far worse crime than anything Nintendo has done. Since at least we can ignore the Nintendo casual games and play their core games and enjoy them.

See, you guys can be satisfied by stuff like Smash and the last Zelda, me... I don't even like those.  Smash to me is not even a real fighting game, it's a party game that requires little in the way of skill or planning.  Nintendo just doesn't want my money, I guess.

[Crushed]

OH SHIT GET HYPED UP GUYS, WEDNESDAY-TON BELIEVE

[cool breeze]

Watching the Animal Crossing segment in the conference again, I am really confused as to why they dubbed over a guy speaking Japanese with a guy speaking English with a really bad accent. 

[Oblivion]

I have continuously respected Miyamoto because I knew that when he's got a good idea, it's a DAMN GOOD one (see: Mario Galaxy). But when he falters, he falters HARD. I mean, I could at least understand the intention for Wii Sports, and even Wii Fit to a slight degree. But Wii Music? It seems utterly pointless.

[Crushed]

Watching the Animal Crossing segment in the conference again, I am really confused as to why they dubbed over a guy speaking Japanese with a guy speaking English with a really bad accent. 

[Tieno]

I have continuously respected Miyamoto because I knew that when he's got a good idea, it's a DAMN GOOD one (see: Mario Galaxy). But when he falters, he falters HARD. I mean, I could at least understand the intention for Wii Sports, and even Wii Fit to a slight degree. But Wii Music? It seems utterly pointless.

He conjured up this idea when he saw his daughter listening to music, shacking a stick...but disappointed she couldn't do this with a 250dollar game console.

[demi]

you know, i've been thinking about it

nintendo isn't killing gaming

i mean, look at all the cool games coming out over the next year for 360/PS3/PC - fuck, i can't even afford everything i want for this year alone

the side forays 360/PS3/PC take into casually distinguished mentally-challenged things like avatars and waggle (xaggle and saggle still coming, believe) are just that - side forays, and you can safely choose to ignore all that stuff should you wish

no, the only thing nintendo is killing is nintendo

you can be happy or sad about that (i choose ambivalence), but don't worry about gaming

Nintendo is the reason there is a Dead Rising Wii and not a Dead Rising 2

[Hollywood]

Way to miss the boat, guys. 

It's not that they're killing gaming, it's that they're fully capable of producing high quality games that I would like to play, but instead sink their resources into this nongaming crap.  Sure it's profitable for them, but so what?  As a "hardcore" (for lack of a better term) gaming consumer I would like to have as many options for gameplay as possible.  Nintendo seems focused on ignoring my desires so that old people, women and autistic children will buy truckloads of their shit.  The thing is, I highly doubt that these demographics are going to KEEP buying their shit.  Most of them just want to play Wii Sports and the sequel.  It's just unfortunate that Nintendo has gone this route.  It's even worse than Sega- Sega used to be able to make good games but forgot how.  Nintendo still knows how, but doesn't want to bother.  THAT'S what should piss you people off, instead you're just like "lol different market".  Sad.

For the most part, I agree with you here... when Nintendo is on, they're on like Donkey Kong (shitty pun intended). Wario, Galaxy, Fire Emblem, Zelda and Smash prove they still have it. But I will disagree with you about Sega... Sega doesn't make good games outside of their arcade division anymore, but at least they still fund teams who are capable of making good games. Although, what they did with some of their core franchises (Sonic, PS) is a far worse crime than anything Nintendo has done. Since at least we can ignore the Nintendo casual games and play their core games and enjoy them.

See, you guys can be satisfied by stuff like Smash and the last Zelda, me... I don't even like those.  Smash to me is not even a real fighting game, it's a party game that requires little in the way of skill or planning.  Nintendo just doesn't want my money, I guess.

Nah, they'll just settle for the millions they make elsewhere, instead of making some niche big budget fighting game. Darn.

I find it funny the same people saying Nintendo is killing gaming, or those that follow their lead are. Who's following their lead? How can you bitch about Nintendo killing gaming, then saying there's no third party games for it. If there's not third party games for it, its not exactly following their lead right? Hypocritical dumbasses. Most of the third party games on the system are from small little developer houses that don't make much worth a damn. Name one game that has been ruined because they made it for Wii and not for 360/PS3? Last I checked Madden, Call of Duty, Resident Evil, Soul Caliber, Grand Theft Auto, etc, etc were still being made for other system. Where is this phantom game list where these big budget 360/PS3 games are being canned in favor of making a Wii game?

If anythning is killing gaming, its the constant sequelitis coming from companies hitting a hot idea. How many Guitar Hero's have been made now, again? It's repalced Tony Hawk as the most ridiculously pimped out game.

Just to sum it up: people like to bitch, even if whatever they say doesn't hold water. That's basically it.

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Nintendo is the reason there is a Dead Rising Wii and not a Dead Rising 2

demi kills it.  close this thread

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Wait, you guys were serious about Twinkle Twinkle being the highlight of Wii Music? fuck man