Can everyone just stop pretending Penny Arcade is some sort of neutral entity?

[Brehvolution]

how could any taco get offended by that comic?

you have to be an ultimate console taco in order to get offended by ANYTHIGN in it.

I don't think it was this lone comic, but it may have been the one that broke the camel's back. But showing Trenton drinking Jaeger from the bottle and saying "just one more year" is fucking bullshit. All Sony did was show games. They even had a game demonstrate how much shit they sold. I wasn't offended, but leave it to PA to make them look like they had the worst presentation.

[AdmiralViscen]

the sony panel made plenty of sense. That guy said at the beginning of the sony conference he was stressed. shit, at the beginning he even admitted that sony has done nothing but fuck up recently and that their conference has to prove they've been working on shit.

plus, the dude didn't even sound like he wanted to be there.

penny arcade nailed it.

Well in fairness I didn't actually watch any of the conferences.

edit: I guess Zero Hero didn't either, he's making the point I would've made

[Himu]

does anyone here really have any console allegiances? we're all pretty much multiconsole gamers here

who gives a fuck

fuck you tony the tiger, or whatever the shit your name is, my dyslexia is acting up today

Well, I hate Nintendo.

Pretty much every one on this forum hates nintendo consoles but at the very least likes the ds because it's a reasonably hardcore system. Etrian

[Brehvolution]

CRY SOME MOAR SONYTARDS

CRY BITCH WHINE B-B-B-UT PA /EB IS BIASSEEEDDD

and for once, crushed is being useful and awesome here.  For once, he is doing the embarrassement onto others, not letting others embarrase him!

wahahahahahahah console fanboys

And you wonder why sfags crack.

[Himu]

fuck you tony the tiger, or whatever the shit your name is, my dyslexia is acting up today

I dot'n tnihk dysxalie "astc up" dedu.  Ttha si jtsu yrou DASI fralnig p.u

what the fuck is all this

I don't speak japanese you cunt

[Joe Molotov]

how could any taco get offended by that comic?

you have to be an ultimate console taco in order to get offended by ANYTHIGN in it.

I don't think it was this lone comic, but it may have been the one that broke the camel's back. But showing Trenton drinking Jaeger from the bottle and saying "just one more year" is fucking bullshit. All Sony did was show games. They even had a game demonstrate how much shit they sold. I wasn't offended, but leave it to PA to make them look like they had the worst presentation.

Nearly half the presentation was about the PS2. You could smell the desperation.

[Eel O'Brian]

when can everyone stop pretending this thread is locked

[Van Cruncheon]

does anyone here really have any console allegiances? we're all pretty much multiconsole gamers here

who gives a fuck

fuck you tony the tiger, or whatever the shit your name is, my dyslexia is acting up today

Well, I hate Nintendo.

Pretty much every one on this forum hates nintendo consoles but at the very least likes the ds because it's a reasonably hardcore system. Etrian

no, i hate the ds

[y2kev]

Nintendo still makes a few enjoyable titles...though if I didn't buy a wii I could have like five more 360 games.

360

[Kestastrophe]

how could any taco get offended by that comic?

you have to be an ultimate console taco in order to get offended by ANYTHIGN in it.

I don't think it was this lone comic, but it may have been the one that broke the camel's back. But showing Trenton drinking Jaeger from the bottle and saying "just one more year" is fucking bullshit. All Sony did was show games. They even had a game demonstrate how much shit they sold. I wasn't offended, but leave it to PA to make them look like they had the worst presentation.

I agree that Sony had the most games at E3, but you also have to take into consideration how much Tretton made a point to call this year the "Year of the PS3", when well over half the games that they showed are not going to be appearing this year. I am not apologizing for PA, just saying that I can see their rationale.

[Brehvolution]

how could any taco get offended by that comic?

you have to be an ultimate console taco in order to get offended by ANYTHIGN in it.

I don't think it was this lone comic, but it may have been the one that broke the camel's back. But showing Trenton drinking Jaeger from the bottle and saying "just one more year" is fucking bullshit. All Sony did was show games. They even had a game demonstrate how much shit they sold. I wasn't offended, but leave it to PA to make them look like they had the worst presentation.

Nearly half the presentation was about the PS2. You could smell the desperation.

I watched it too. It went PS3, PS2, PSP, and back to PS3 shit out next year(except for GT which was in the first section). All those are on the market TODAY. Why wouldn't they talk about them? PS3 still had the most coverage. Regardless, the "smell of Sony's desperation" stinks worse than Sony's actual desperation.

[Grecco]

Read tychos write up on the conferences. Then get back to me

He talks about the promises of next year with cgi. Thats the whole point.

[Brehvolution]

Read tychos write up on the conferences. Then get back to me

He talks about the promises of next year with cgi. Thats the whole point.

Good for him.

We don't all have to feel the same about everything. How many other games shown at E3 have CGI trailers? I've seen a couple non- PS3 exclusives here on EB. Why is just Sony being bad? What if that GOWIII trailer was real-time on the PS3? It's Sony's hardware. Why would they make something they couldn't get the most out?

[Narag]

What a shitty thread. OP, if you're deadset on this, please cigarillo it up more with a banner and table of contents.

[Vyer]

 

I hope LBP creates some sort of 'dress up/fanfic/cosplay like cute characters' subculture so that Sony fanboys can completely take the crown from Nintendo fans.

I know there are Xbox fanboys out there, but for the love of God please don't be as vocal as this stupid shit.

[Kestastrophe]

We don't all have to feel the same about everything. How many other games shown at E3 have CGI trailers? I've seen a couple non- PS3 exclusives here on EB. Why is just Sony being bad? What if that GOWIII trailer was real-time on the PS3? It's Sony's hardware. Why would they make something they couldn't get the most out?

The other 2 companies did not claim it to be "year of console x", and then proceed to show CG clips of games at least 3 quarters away.

[Mr. Gundam]

Wasn't God of War III the only CG footage shown?

[duckman2000]

Wasn't God of War III the only CG footage shown?

Er, M.A.G. was pretty damned CG-y

Still not sure why Motorstorm 2 wasn't given a proper showing. I understand now why Killzone 2 was absent, but there was no competing racing game, so that makes less sense.

[JustinP]

making an issue over PR verbiage is worse than penny arcade.  

edit: i'll have to look at it again, but it looked like MAG was CG using in-game assets. 

[Brehvolution]

We don't all have to feel the same about everything. How many other games shown at E3 have CGI trailers? I've seen a couple non- PS3 exclusives here on EB. Why is just Sony being bad? What if that GOWIII trailer was real-time on the PS3? It's Sony's hardware. Why would they make something they couldn't get the most out?

The other 2 companies did not claim it to be "year of console x", and then proceed to show CG clips of games at least 3 quarters away.

They are not for games this year. CGI woo'd this gen in to what it is now. It's the most cost effective way of generating hype.

[Mr. Gundam]

Wasn't God of War III the only CG footage shown?

Er, M.A.G. was pretty damned CG-y

Still not sure why Motorstorm 2 wasn't given a proper showing. I understand now why Killzone 2 was absent, but there was no competing racing game, so that makes less sense.

My DVR recording of the conference cut out right before they strarted talking about MAG, so I never saw the footage.

[duckman2000]

They are not for games this year. CGI woo'd this gen in to what it is now. It's the most cost effective way of generating hype.

The issue is that when you make a statement about this year, you may want to focus on games coming out this year. I don't think it's worth the negative attention it has gotten, but there's some shred of a point to it.

[duckman2000]

Wasn't God of War III the only CG footage shown?

Er, M.A.G. was pretty damned CG-y

Still not sure why Motorstorm 2 wasn't given a proper showing. I understand now why Killzone 2 was absent, but there was no competing racing game, so that makes less sense.

My DVR recording of the conference cut out right before they strarted talking about MAG, so I never saw the footage.

Ah. It was a long "showcase," obviously designed to demonstrate the vision behind M.A.G., complete with battle scenario, command view, vehicles and so forth. No gameplay though, and that was disappointing.

[Brehvolution]

What games did they show CGI trailers of games coming out by xmas?

[MrAngryFace]

Id lock this thread if distinguished mentally-challenged fellows stopped having legitimate discussion in here

[Kestastrophe]

CGI woo'd this gen in to what it is now. It's the most cost effective way of generating hype.

I agree, but I think that the PA guys took issue with Sony calling it the year of PS3, and then proceeded to show games that will miss this year. Even though I agree that CG is a good way of generating hype, I don't think it is the best direction for gaming. Look at the fallout from KZ2 and the expectations for that game alone. One could also make the argument that the PS3 was founded on hype and thus faces an uphill battle since it has yet to prove to be the CG powerhouse that was promised. Had Sony been more judicious in its utilization of Cg hype, I think that it would be faring much better in the media.

[duckman2000]

What games did they show CGI trailers of games coming out by xmas?

Maybe I'm the one missing the point here, but I thought it was that they didn't show enough of games coming out this year, and showed CG for games coming out next year.

[AdmiralViscen]

Who fucking cares about the politics of this

If you wanna see a proper way to highlight a 2009 game look no further than Infamous

Otherwise just adjust your 'to buy' lists and don't get so hung up over it

[Brehvolution]

CGI woo'd this gen in to what it is now. It's the most cost effective way of generating hype.

I agree, but I think that the PA guys took issue with Sony calling it the year of PS3, and then proceeded to show games that will miss this year. Even though I agree that CG is a good way of generating hype, I don't think it is the best direction for gaming. Look at the fallout from KZ2 and the expectations for that game alone. One could also make the argument that the PS3 was founded on hype and thus faces an uphill battle since it has yet to prove to be the CG powerhouse that was promised. Had Sony been more judicious in its utilization of Cg hype, I think that it would be faring much better in the media.

I guess it all depends on how LBP, and R2(amongst others) do. This year,"Year of the PS3", is a little more than half over. It is still building a library. Libraries don't happen overnight.

[Brehvolution]

What games did they show CGI trailers of games coming out by xmas?

Maybe I'm the one missing the point here, but I thought it was that they didn't show enough of games coming out this year, and showed CG for games coming out next year.

From what I saw. They showed more games for PS3 coming out this year, then the ones coming later.

[Narag]

CGI woo'd this gen in to what it is now. It's the most cost effective way of generating hype.

I agree, but I think that the PA guys took issue with Sony calling it the year of PS3, and then proceeded to show games that will miss this year. Even though I agree that CG is a good way of generating hype, I don't think it is the best direction for gaming. Look at the fallout from KZ2 and the expectations for that game alone. One could also make the argument that the PS3 was founded on hype and thus faces an uphill battle since it has yet to prove to be the CG powerhouse that was promised. Had Sony been more judicious in its utilization of Cg hype, I think that it would be faring much better in the media.

I guess it all depends on how LBP, and R2(amongst others) do. This year,"Year of the PS3", is a little more than half over. It is still building a library. Libraries don't happen overnight.

Do they normally take two years?

[JustinP]

yeah, i think the MAG cg used some in-game assets.  lighting/AA are obviously not game-quality and the effects (explosions, particles, etc) were probably beefed up or 100% cg.  




but the player models aren't really more detailed than what you see in other games today.  i'd say they're actually less detailed than some games' character models, which is expected for a large scale game.  that vehicle shown is also realistic for game-quality.  some of the other parts of the environment are probably not in-game quality though. 

[JustinP]

but the player models aren't really more detailed than what you see in other games today.  i'd say they're actually less detailed than some games' character models, which is expected for a large scale game.  that vehicle shown is also realistic for game-quality.  some of the other parts of the environment are probably not in-game quality though. 

EB please help

i have been caught in a time paradox and i'm seeing posts from E3 2006.

Send Delorian + Mr Fusion fuel ASAP.

are you blind?  those character models look worse than killzone and gears stuff, easily.  compare them to the CG KZ2 characters and it's night and day. 

[Van Cruncheon]

if it looks like a 360 game with lo-fi shadows and no aa but better af overall, it's a realistic approximation of what a good ps3 game looks like

or of it is a port that runs with post-processing effects disabled at a shittier framerate

[Madrun Badrun]

If Microsoft is paying off Penny Arcade, I don't think they are getting their monies worth. 

[MCD]

my cat just took a huge dump on my fucking carpet all of a sudden

fuck this pet shit, this cat is fucking dead.

[duckman2000]

but the player models aren't really more detailed than what you see in other games today.  i'd say they're actually less detailed than some games' character models, which is expected for a large scale game.  that vehicle shown is also realistic for game-quality.  some of the other parts of the environment are probably not in-game quality though. 

I think the question here, who believes that is Zipper capable of competing with for example Guerrilla in this respect? Let alone on a large scale, with massive player count. It's target footage, man. A clip created to demonstrate the vision.

[Vizzys]

my cat just took a huge dump on my fucking carpet all of a sudden

fuck this pet shit, this cat is fucking dead.

 cats suck, lucky the cat didnt piss over everything you own

[MCD]

he's not gonna live long enough to piss.

[AdmiralViscen]

My friend has a cat who takes a shit on the rug every time this other cat walks up to the sliding glass door. Like clockwork

[duckman2000]

my cat just took a huge dump on my fucking carpet all of a sudden

fuck this pet shit, this cat is fucking dead.

Shove a Wiimote up its ass.

[Brehvolution]

are you blind?  those character models look worse than killzone and gears stuff, easily.  compare them to the CG KZ2 characters and it's night and day. 

Of course those models are worse than killzone and gears stuff. But they are still using models which you'd expect to see in a 16-32 player game. You'll never get models like that in a 256 player game.

I never thought I would need more than 32MB of RAM when I started out. And I payed a mint for it.

[Brehvolution]

I think the question here, who believes that is Zipper capable of competing with for example Guerrilla in this respect? Let alone on a large scale, with massive player count. It's target footage, man. A clip created to demonstrate the vision.

I wonder if they would then have each regional war affect a larger war (even on a basic level of each overal victory adding "win" points to which ever "side" you are alligned to"?)

Holy shit!!!!!! Idea of the forever.

[MCD]

my cat just took a huge dump on my fucking carpet all of a sudden

fuck this pet shit, this cat is fucking dead.

Shove a Wiimote up its ass.

finally a good use of the wiimote.

[Flannel Boy]

my cat just took a huge dump on my fucking carpet all of a sudden

fuck this pet shit, this cat is fucking dead.

Shove a Wiimote up its ass.

finally a good use of the wiimote.

Put the wiimote in the litterbox instead; maybe then the cat will learn where shit is supposed to go.

[MCD]

 

[Cormacaroni]

I think the question here, who believes that is Zipper capable of competing with for example Guerrilla in this respect? Let alone on a large scale, with massive player count. It's target footage, man. A clip created to demonstrate the vision.

I wonder if they would then have each regional war affect a larger war (even on a basic level of each overal victory adding "win" points to which ever "side" you are alligned to"?)

Holy shit!!!!!! Idea of the forever.

it's almost like someone spent half a year playing Chromehounds.

[JustinP]

Of course those models are worse than killzone and gears stuff. But they are still using models which you'd expect to see in a 16-32 player game. You'll never get models like that in a 256 player game.

i think you overestimate how much games need to scale down model detail just to get more players.  large scale games are all about LoD.  only the characters very close to you will have max detail -- the ones farther away are rendered with very little detail.  look at planetside and compare it to other, smaller scale FPS of 2003 and you'll see it stands up pretty well when you compare characters up close.  

planetside (MMOFPS, 2003):
http://planetside.station.sony.com/images/screenshots/ps_screenshot_561.jpg

raven shield (intimate shooter, 2003)
http://www.multiplay.co.uk/content/images/reviews/software/ravenshield/rs_1.jpg

[Grecco]

I have chromehounds just no friends that have it too. I dabled in single player. 

[Jansen]

who fucking gives a fuck if the MAG trailer was cgi or not? it was most certainly not gameplay footage. so it was fucking worthless.

[Cormacaroni]

who fucking gives a fuck if the MAG trailer was cgi or not? it was most certainly not gameplay footage. so it was fucking worthless.

Apparently, you do?

[Jansen]

well yeah that post was poorly thought out.

my point is that it wasn't gameplay and not worth arguing as to whether it was cg or not.

[JustinP]

well yeah that post was poorly thought out.

my point is that it wasn't gameplay and not worth arguing as to whether it was cg or not.

nobody is arguing whether or not it was CG. 

[pilonv1]

Chromehounds. Best online game I've played in years.

I even enjoyed grinding single player online.

[Jansen]

you were arguing that it could be done in realtime. i see. well that makes for a worthy argument for sure.

it wasn't realtime tho and was pointless.

[JustinP]

you were arguing that it could be done in realtime. i see. well that makes for a worthy argument for sure.

it wasn't realtime tho and was pointless.

wat? 

basic fucking reading comprehension, dude.  get some. 

[Jansen]

you were trying to make that claim. you know you were with the cg trailer used in game assets line. but we've established that you're nothing but a moronic troll, so it's pointless discussing anything with you anyways.

[pilonv1]

more talk about chromehounds pls

[Jansen]

i only played the single player demo. which was awful.

i assume multi was really fun?

[Grecco]

i only played the single player demo. which was awful.

i assume multi was really fun?

Persistant world  campaign with two sides to choose from. Sound familiar?