I was listening to the radio and heard that new Cure song

[TVC15]

and I thought, wow, this is awesome, like beer bonging Carlo Rossi--Fat Bob is BACK!  And then the DJ came on and said it was Black Kids, and I figured Robert Smith should get litigious all up in their asses.  This is pretty offensive.

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[Mr. Gundam]

[TVC15]

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You see, that's kinda bullshit, considering Pitchfork gave their original release an 8.something, and this is all the same songs and more, and from a cursory listen, the new material seems fine.  Pitchfork is just showing hipster elitism because they signed when they had hype and now they have a potential hit single.

Also, the original score on Pitchfork, this morning, was a 0.0, but it was changed within an hour or so of going live.  They had an axe to grind here, and they couldn't even put it into words, so we got an image macro.

[Mr. Gundam]

Oh, I think it's total bullshit on Pitchfork's part. They'd been pushing Black Kids really hard, and now that it's in the "cool new artists" section at Target, they feel the need to rethink their position.

I didn't have a problem with their infamous Jet review, but this is pathetic.

[TVC15]

Oh, I think it's total bullshit on Pitchfork's part. They'd been pushing Black Kids really hard, and now that it's in the "cool new artists" section at Target, they feel the need to rethink their position.

I didn't have a problem with their infamous Jet review, but this is pathetic.

Also, they removed the link to the EP from the related links section at the bottom of the page, so you can't easily see that Pitchfork previously hyped this band.

[Mr. Gundam]

Apparently I don't read entire posts. So Black Kids sound a lot like The Cure? And Pitchfork dropped their album's score from an 8 to a 0 because they got popular?

Sounds a lot like Pitchfork. The same guys who didn't include Black Holes and Revelations in the top 50 (50!!!) albums of 2006.

Oh, and could someone summarize or link to the "infamous Jet review?"

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/38853-shine-on

[TVC15]

Apparently I don't read entire posts. So Black Kids sound a lot like The Cure? And Pitchfork dropped their album's score from an 8 to a 0 because they got popular?

Black Kids released an EP some time ago, which featured songs that all appear on the album.  It got an 8.something.  Shortly after they signed.  Their new, full album has charted well in the UK and their singles are getting decent airplay in the US, too.  Pitchfork then issues a 0.0 revieww for the full album, which they change to a 3.3.

Oh, and could someone summarize or link to the "infamous Jet review?"

Well, Jet sucks ass, so this is more acceptable.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/18954-get-born

There was also a review which was just a gif of a monkey drinking its own pee.  I forget what album that was for, but it was a pretty accurate review.

Ah, DM found it.  Ray Suzuki is apparently the pitchfork Alan Smithee.

[Mr. Gundam]

Apparently I don't read entire posts. So Black Kids sound a lot like The Cure? And Pitchfork dropped their album's score from an 8 to a 0 because they got popular?

Black Kids released an EP some time ago, which featured songs that all appear on the album.  It got an 8.something.  Shortly after they signed.  Their new, full album has charted well in the UK and their singles are getting decent airplay in the US, too.  Pitchfork then issues a 0.0 revieww for the full album, which they change to a 3.3.

Pitchfork played the fuck out of "I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend How to Dance With You" on their podcast last Fall, and then reviewed the digital EP on October 5th, 2007 giving it an 8.4. Black Kids sign to Columbia Records on May 1st, 2008. Pitchfork gives it a 0/3.3.

Wow. Really classy Pitchfork.

[Robo]

I've been avoiding these guys because I feel like I already have too many bands in my library whose name begins with the word "Black".  Completely legitimate reason.

[TVC15]

I've been avoiding these guys because I feel like I already have too many bands in my library whose name begins with the word "Black".  Completely legitimate reason.

It's a fun album.  I doubt it's the sort of thing that will be remembered in a few years, but it's no 3.3 or 0.  Not an 8.4 either, but hey, whatever.

[ToxicAdam]

Have you heard the latest Cure song? Fucking dreadful.


I wish the Cure sounded like the Black Kids. It's a bit peppier and light-hearted instead of morose and plodding.

[Mr. Gundam]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2008/07/pitchfork_explains_the_black_k.html

[TVC15]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2008/07/pitchfork_explains_the_black_k.html

That doesn't explain it at all.  Even if it is an example of the "two different reviewers" thing, I'd expect the second reviewer to at least try to explain his score when the band was previously hyped by that very website.  I know Pitchfork is Pitchfork, but it's not 4chan.

Pitchfork is (obviously) a very important music news website, to the degree that a lot of people probably don't even bother reading anything else.  They see this album get a 3.3 or a 0, and they will skip the album entirely.  This is basically a death sentence.  See also: The Cold War Kids.  A band that was hyped by music blogs, but murdered by Pitchfork.  Their record was fucking great, but Pitchfork probably killed their momentum.  Pitchfork, the past several years, seems to have it's own bands that it supports, and I think they may be upset that the Cold War Kids managed to get hype working outside of their "system."

I'm also a bit bitter about Pitchfork murdering the perfectly good Does It Offend You, Yeah? album.  Only bad thing about that record is the band's name.

Have you heard the latest Cure song? Fucking dreadful.


I wish the Cure sounded like the Black Kids. It's a bit peppier and light-hearted instead of morose and plodding.

I prefer living in my fantasy world where Robert Smith committed beautiful romantic suicide in the early 90s. 

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[Mr. Gundam]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2008/07/pitchfork_explains_the_black_k.html

That doesn't explain it at all.  Even if it is an example of the "two different reviewers" thing, I'd expect the second reviewer to at least try to explain his score when the band was previously hyped by that very website.  I know Pitchfork is Pitchfork, but it's not 4chan.

Pitchfork is (obviously) a very important music news website, to the degree that a lot of people probably don't even bother reading anything else.  They see this album get a 3.3 or a 0, and they will skip the album entirely. 

I only listen to their positive reviews, I don't think much of their negative reviews.

[TVC15]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/bryantpark/2008/07/pitchfork_explains_the_black_k.html

That doesn't explain it at all.  Even if it is an example of the "two different reviewers" thing, I'd expect the second reviewer to at least try to explain his score when the band was previously hyped by that very website.  I know Pitchfork is Pitchfork, but it's not 4chan.

Pitchfork is (obviously) a very important music news website, to the degree that a lot of people probably don't even bother reading anything else.  They see this album get a 3.3 or a 0, and they will skip the album entirely. 

I only listen to their positive reviews, I don't think much of their negative reviews.

Sometimes the negative reviews are fun, especially when it's an obviously shit band like Jet.  I probably would be fine with this Black Kids review if they hadn't spent months hyping them.  It's that disparity coupled with the lack of explanation that makes this a very poor review.

[Fresh Prince]

That Jet review is hilarious. And this Nas review is probably the most accurate description of Untitled http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/142144-nas-untitled

[TVC15]

Black Kids album is cool, but more important than that, this thread has made me put Bloodflowers in my mp3 queue. Should start in 5 minutes! :'(

Bloodflowers isn't a bad record, actually.  Probably the only post-Disintegration album I like.  It should have been their final album as hyped at the time.

[border]

I don't listen to new music anymore so I hadn't heard of this group until a few days ago, even though they are from my hometown.  Looking at the photos I just realized I had a film class in college with the lead singer.  I remember him being annoying, but I don't remember why.  Probably just my general resentment of hipsters in tight pants and ironic t-shirts.

This is basically a death sentence.

Just reading the article and Wikipedia, it sounds like they are beyond the point where Pitchfork can do anything to hurt or help them.  Already signed to a big label....MTV appearances.....charting well in the UK.....will this really tank sales of the album?  Particularly when it's seen as some kind of hurtful prank?

[TVC15]

Just reading the article and Wikipedia, it sounds like they are beyond the point where Pitchfork can do anything to hurt or help them.  Already signed to a big label....MTV appearances.....charting well in the UK.....will this really tank sales of the album?  Particularly when it's seen as some kind of hurtful prank?

You're probably right, but now, every time I hear someone slag on the band, I'm just going to assume they are a Pitchfork dittohead.  I've always hated hipsterism, but such a childish, obvious posioning of the well just makes me upset.

The thing is (as mentioned in a chat I had with distantmantra) that Pitchfork's good reviews for good albums tend to be good (when they aren't busy navel gazing).  Their bad reviews (like this and even those Jet reviews that I think are hilarious) feed into the most negative stereotypes of Pitchfork. 

[etiolate]

I got obsessed with listening to Black Kids songs some weeks ago.  They reminded me of something else more so than The Cure, but I forget what now.  Much more dance worthy music. The remix of that song is pretty awesome as well, linked it back in the sticky thread.

[etiolate]

I've never bothered with Pitchfork. I know it is arrogant to say, but when you have as reliable and good as taste in music as I do, you don't need review sites. Plus, Pitchfork is based around scenester politics and not music appreciation. I don't even need those sort of sites to find music, I've always done it on my own with most help coming from actual people I talk to.

Anyways, here is the remix
[youtube=425,350]cEc5bQTOiLQ[/youtube]

[TVC15]

I need review sites because I don't have the time to devote to listening to lots of shit to find the bits of goodness anymore.  Also, that remix isn't very impressive.  Making the song completely unorganic completely removes the energy of it.

[TVC15]

Muse are pretty terrible, but I'd probably rank them a point or two higher.  They are at least mostly proficient.  Knights of Cydonia is probably one of the most embarrassing songs since Def Leppard ruled the earth.

[Candyflip]

That Muse review isn't too far off; Black Holes sucked

[Eric P]

moar laike bitchfork, amirite?

[bagofeyes]

Why anybody would follow a pitchfork recommendation is beyond me. Myspace gen pandering wank press.

[Brehvolution]

Fascination Street

[abrader]

Bleh - Primary / Other Voices / Walk EP or bust you wanna-be's...

[Phoenix Dark]

i just want to say:

fuck pitchfork

pretentious fucks

never forget
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/51187-lil-wayne-tha-carter-iii

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I saw Wolf Parade last weekend at the Fonda and I'm going to see Paramore next week at the OC Fairgrounds! Life's too short to hate good music.

[cool breeze]

So, apparently I don't hate all the music I hear.  Does this mean I can't review music? shit, but I also don't hate all the games I play, or movies I watch.  I'm too positive.  FUCK.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I like Paramore becaus Misery Business and Crushcrushcrush give me a boner.

[Phoenix Dark]

that makes you an honest fan, unlike pitchfork posers

[Human Snorenado]

Yeah, pitchfork is pretty shitty.  They originally gave In the Aeroplane Over the Sea like a 8 something, but after it became this huge indie phenomenon they retconned for a re-release and gave it a perfect 10, which is pretty funny.  "When this album first came out, we thought it was suitably indie.  Now, it's THE indie album so we have to give it a perfect 10, lolz."  Bunch of wankers.

[Phoenix Dark]

Rollingstone has done that a lot over the years too, with stuff like Nevermind (Nirvana) and more classic rock stuff from the 60s/70s. smh

we should review our own albums. i trust eb more than those posers

[Human Snorenado]

Rollingstone has done that a lot over the years too, with stuff like Nevermind (Nirvana) and more classic rock stuff from the 60s/70s. smh

we should review our own albums. i trust eb more than those posers

I dunno, I would probably trash most of what came out, especially any southern rap release.  Even tho Lil Wayne isn't that bad, I could see myself giving him like 2s and shit just to piss people off.  Southern rap is so terrible.

[Phoenix Dark]

just think, not too long ago "southern rap" meant Outkast, Geto Boys, Goodie Mob, Scarface, etc. Now "southern rap" is synonymous with "shit"

[Human Snorenado]

just think, not too long ago "southern rap" meant Outkast, Geto Boys, Goodie Mob, Scarface, etc. Now "southern rap" is synonymous with "shit"

Yeah, that's my point.  Outside of Lil Wayne, pretty much everything to come out of the south is just crap meant to be crunked out of cars these days. 

[TVC15]

Rollingstone has done that a lot over the years too, with stuff like Nevermind (Nirvana) and more classic rock stuff from the 60s/70s. smh

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/301487/review/6635729/pinkerton

This only got one (or two) star(s) on release, but now it has FIVE?  HMMMMMMM

[Phoenix Dark]

i'd include wayne in the crap category, although i can't front: i don't like the carter 3, but it's not horrible. it has some horrible horrible songs (Dr. Carter, Get Money, A Milli, Lolipop) but there's some interesting stuff there too. and he manages to smack down Jay-Z on Mr. Carter.

[Human Snorenado]

i'd include wayne in the crap category, although i can't front: i don't like the carter 3, but it's not horrible. it has some horrible horrible songs (Dr. Carter, Get Money, A Milli, Lolipop) but there's some interesting stuff there too. and he manages to smack down Jay-Z on Mr. Carter.

Well, the point is that Wayne has SOME redeeming qualities to his music.  Pretty much the rest of the stuff coming from the south since Andre decided to be a professional weird guy has NONE.

[Phoenix Dark]

i'll agree there. i like bun b lol, but in terms of new stuff the scene is shit. that's what happens when record execs sign artists just to make ring tone money off them. fuck

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Yeah, pitchfork is pretty shitty.  They originally gave In the Aeroplane Over the Sea like a 8 something, but after it became this huge indie phenomenon they retconned for a re-release and gave it a perfect 10, which is pretty funny.  "When this album first came out, we thought it was suitably indie.  Now, it's THE indie album so we have to give it a perfect 10, lolz."  Bunch of wankers.

Rolling Stone did basically the same thing except they were even more negative about the album originally.

[Eric P]

we should review our own albums. i trust eb more than those posers

that would be one insane schizophrenic blog which would cover a hell of a lot of ground

[Eric P]

Yeah, pitchfork is pretty shitty.  They originally gave In the Aeroplane Over the Sea like a 8 something, but after it became this huge indie phenomenon they retconned for a re-release and gave it a perfect 10, which is pretty funny.  "When this album first came out, we thought it was suitably indie.  Now, it's THE indie album so we have to give it a perfect 10, lolz."  Bunch of wankers.

Rolling Stone did basically the same thing except they were even more negative about the album originally.

i see nothing wrong with a dissenting opinion type posting (in fact, i think it would be quite welcome) but a retroactive post on the sly is kind of lame unless addressed specifically

i've radically changed my position on films, music, and movies, so i sympathize but otherwise you come across like a douche who says stuff like "i totally loved (obscure Hard Trade band) when i was in highschool."  No you fucking didn't.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

yeah, you're allowed to change your opinion, but you have to explain yourself. wacky image macros won't cut it.

also, I always liked Pinkerton, dammit

[Phoenix Dark]

the interesting thing is today albums like Nevermind are considering to be "defining, genre changing" events, but back then Rollingstone and other outlets didn't join the gravy train. Now they're re-writing history with the hindsight of how influential those albums were, which cheapens the narrative.

i like looking back and reading old reviews and comparing them to the current opinion. btw here's the Source's Illmatic review
http://pressrewind.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/nas_source494.jpg

[etiolate]

I need review sites because I don't have the time to devote to listening to lots of shit to find the bits of goodness anymore.  Also, that remix isn't very impressive.  Making the song completely unorganic completely removes the energy of it.

The takes a dancey song and give it more defined bounce, making it even more danceable. There's plenty of energy if you dance.

[bagofeyes]

Just in: Forum guy defends shitty band with comparison to Michaelangelo. Everybody laughs.

[ToxicAdam]

 

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Not sure how new it is, but they play it on Alt Nation (Sirius) all the time.

[TVC15]

 

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Not sure how new it is, but they play it on Alt Nation (Sirius) all the time.

He has that old woman/Hillary supporter look to him, so I'd guess it's new.  Man, I'd kill for his hair.  I bet it's just a wig at this point.  And could your eally pull off his hair without being a rock star?

[Mr. Gundam]

 

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Not sure how new it is, but they play it on Alt Nation (Sirius) all the time.

He has that old woman/Hillary supporter look to him, so I'd guess it's new.  Man, I'd kill for his hair.  I bet it's just a wig at this point.  And could your eally pull off his hair without being a rock star?

Yes, you could if you were either A) A crazy homeless person or B) A professional college student.

[Candyflip]

I like Muse ok.  I can only listen to them in short stretches throughout a couple of years, but they're not awful.  HAARP was quite awesome.  But Blackholes and Revelations was fucking awful save for a few tracks.  If Absolution never existed I wouldn't even bother.

I respectfully disagree. I thought Black Holes was easily a top 5 album of 2006. There aren't many duds on it at all, if any. IMO:
*snip*

I like Muse, just not Black Holes and Revelations.

[bagofeyes]

I don't like any of that shite. What a gay arse singer. I must be flawed fundamentally as a person.

[TakingBackSunday]

More Pitchfork bitching:

How the fuck could they have ragged on the new Islands album?  It's fucking fantastic.  It's frontloaded, sure, but not 5 worthy like they gave it.

I think it was a 5 anyway.

[bagofeyes]

That Islands album was terrible

[TakingBackSunday]

That Islands album was terrible

Yeah, no.

[bagofeyes]

yeah yeah

[Eric P]

yeah yeah

[youtube=425,350]4Yg-CgIwaHs[/youtube]

[enjoy bell woods]

Band with a name a stupid as this won't have me as a listener.

Yeah, pitchfork is pretty shitty.  They originally gave In the Aeroplane Over the Sea like a 8 something, but after it became this huge indie phenomenon they retconned for a re-release and gave it a perfect 10, which is pretty funny.  "When this album first came out, we thought it was suitably indie.  Now, it's THE indie album so we have to give it a perfect 10, lolz."  Bunch of wankers.

Wanna hear something crazy, genius? Pitchfork hires different writers. Given the six or seven year gap between In the Aeroplane's release and Pitchfork's new review, I'd imagine there were a couple different people writing reviews. Let's also say that people are allowed to change their opinions. It's not that hard to figure out, crybaby.