360 version of Rage will be the worst looking version barring MS policy change

[Crushed]

I know that NeoGAF didn't ban you guys for being hippie hugging groupies, so WTF is going on in this thread?

you are the worst user

[Van Cruncheon]

I know that NeoGAF didn't ban you guys for being hippie hugging groupies, so WTF is going on in this thread?

yeah, yer kind of a homo

[cool breeze]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/37903.html

Another Carmack interview.

[Jansen]

"All of the key scenes, the things anyone is going to take a screenshot of are going to look exactly the same on both platforms," Carmack explains. "They'll get the high quality compression. But if you go into some areas in the wasteland, like behind a fence where nobody will typically go and explore, this is where the 360 version may look a little blurry compared to the PS3."

http://www.tomsgames.com/us/2008/08/07/carmack_interview/

[JustinP]

his last statement said the main "characters" will be the same, but yeah, that the less important environmental textures would take the hit first. 

[Eel O'Brian]

I don't understand this whole "more royalties for more discs" thing.  It doesn't make a lick of sense to me.  I mean, it's still one fucking game, whether it's on one disc or three.

[JustinP]

I don't understand this whole "more royalties for more discs" thing.  It doesn't make a lick of sense to me.  I mean, it's still one fucking game, whether it's on one disc or three.

microsoft has a per-disc fee.  assumed to be a deterrent for multi-disk games. 

[Eel O'Brian]

So it's extortion to avoid looking inadequate, then.  That's sort of bullshit.  I'd be willing to bet SE isn't paying that fee for FFXIII.

[MCD]

while i want it to be 3 discs as much as carmack, i think it's too much for a shooter.

[Wolf Gang]

while i want it to be 3 discs as much as carmack, i think it's too much for a shooter.

wtf

we're at least at two DVDs and on the PC we might choose to be three DVDs to match what the game will look like for the PS3.

lol Carmack just said that shit, not me. Sorry Borys.

http://www.tomsgames.com/us/2008/08/07/carmack_interview/

[Draft]

It could be on 4 or 5 DVDs on the PC. Who cares. You only mess with the additional discs while you're installing (Though I must admit, I hate having to juggle discs. It's a little thing, but single disc installs > multi disc installs.)

[Wolf Gang]

Carmack is talking about matching the PC version with the PS3.

wat

[MCD]

he's clearly talking about texture compression.

on pc, you have more than that, like 1080p or whatever.

[Wolf Gang]

Oh ok.

So PS3 version isn't going to be 1080p?

[MCD]

it's running at 60fps so i doubt it.

[Van Cruncheon]

JOHN CARMACK: We're pretty much resigned to the fact that we're going to make it fit onto two DVDs on the 360. Plus there would be a lot of disc switching if we went to three DVDs, and since the game is split between two different wasteland environments, two DVDs should work well. That's the only thing the PS3 has going for it over the 360 - more gigs.

That's the only thing the PS3 has going for it over the 360 - more gigs.

only

AHUAHUAHUAHUAHUHAUA budget hardware fanboys shed thick tears down shaking jowls

[MCD]

ms can drop the disc royalties and end this pretty easily.

but i guess they enjoy the drama as much as we do.

[Wolf Gang]

Blu-Ray might be the only thing PS3 needs to force Xbox to another four-year term.

MS can drop the disc royalties but then they make Blu-Ray, and thus PS3, look good.

PS3 is the console version of Rage to get if you want to explore the wasteland.

[JustinP]

he's clearly talking about texture compression.

on pc, you have more than that, like 1080p or whatever.

texture compression is not the game's rendered resolution.  when he's talking about matching the PS3 version by using 3 DVD's on PC (same thing necessary for 360 version to match PS3 version), it's about having space for all the textures without having to compress them to fit on the disc.  has nothing to do with the resolution the game is rendered at (you can use the same textures running at 640x480 and 1600x1200--it doesn't matter). 

i'm surprised he's even considering the possibility of NOT using as many DVD's as necessary for the PC version.  it's not like 4 disc PC games are not heard of. 

[Wolf Gang]

McDragon knows what he's talking about.

Not.

/borat

[JustinP]

(Though I must admit, I hate having to juggle discs. It's a little thing, but single disc installs > multi disc installs.)

that's like saying short installs > long installs.  there's not even a real comparison to be made.  

[JustinP]

Yeah, is Carmack scared that the PS3 is going to make the PC look bad, too?

there's no reason he should.  unless the PC really is a low enough priority for him that he'll actually release on 2 DVD's for some reason.  i don't really see that happening though.  unlike 360, there's no extraordinary costs associated with using more discs.  i'm guessing he basically mispoke. 

[cool breeze]

That's the only thing the PS3 has going for it over the 360 - more gigs.

only

AHUAHUAHUAHUAHUHAUA budget hardware fanboys shed thick tears down shaking jowls

He did say earlier that this was mainly when talking about multi-console games.  And it is no surprise that PS3 is a bitch when it comes to multi-console games, its just that Carmack puts it in better/sexier terms.

Oh, and there is some speculation that Rage will also ship on Blu-ray for PC.  I probably will pick up that version.

[Wolf Gang]

You know what it means. Don't play stupid, homie. It means another four year lifecycle.

PlayStation will be the victor, once again. Sony always wins, baby. Sony always wins.

[cool breeze]

Xbox will have a 4 year cycle because Microsoft wants to do it.  That, or they will try and take on the handheld space.

[Smooth Groove]

Who is this Wolf Gang fellow.

Calcifer

[Jansen]

i'm calling it now. ps3 version will be sub hd and unable to upscale + mandatory install.

thus, 360 rage will be better overall.

[cool breeze]

Probably.  360 version probably will also be inferior.  Being the better of the two losers still makes it a loser.

[Draft]

(Though I must admit, I hate having to juggle discs. It's a little thing, but single disc installs > multi disc installs.)

that's like saying short installs > long installs.  there's not even a real comparison to be made.  

I just didn't want to come across as rah rah DVD. if DVD eventually means multi disc installs on the PC, I'll start eyeballing blu ray drive.s

[Jansen]

Probably.  360 version probably will also be inferior.  Being the better of the two losers still makes it a loser.

it'll be the better of the two console vesions. which makes it a winner in that respect.

[Wolf Gang]

I don't know of this Calcifer you speak of. Must be a pretty special person to have gotten banned from here, otherwise I may have enjoyed his company since I get compared to him pretty often.

If MS introduces 360-2 when PS3 and Blu-Ray make massive profits for Sony, then it'll be like Xbox 1 and PS2 all over again. That's why the PS3 is hurting right now, Sony is going through the same pain that MS did. It's a vicious cycle, but unlike Xbox, PS3 will become profitable thanks to its expected lifespan. Also, the PS3 has proven itself to be a true trojan horse by cementing Blu-Ray's throne in the pantheon of high-definition media.

Not only that, but the PS3 will sacrifice even more for the video games industry when it graces us all with the glory that will be God of War 3.

Also, I have my doubts that the PS3 version of Rage will have a hard disc install, otherwise Carmack failed to mention that PS3 then has two things over the 360, actually.

I just typed this epic post entirely on my PS3. So, Carmack can make that three things the PS3 has over the 360. There's also free online, and as Epic Games knows all too well, there's also mods support.

And because I like to save the best for last, LittleBigPlanet graces us in October.

[WrikaWrek]

Look distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, the update will bring Installs to the 360 so you shut your whore mouth that Sony gave you.

And typing from the PS3, dude, i've done it and it fucking sucks, slow ass uncomfortable browser, who needs that piece of shit when there's a PC in the house?

Seriously, turning on the PS3 and using the T.V to browse the internet, that's some dog shit right there, but hey, what else are you going to do with the piece of shit anyway.

[Eel O'Brian]

watch the love guru, coming soon to a blu ray near you

[MCD]

he's clearly talking about texture compression.

on pc, you have more than that, like 1080p or whatever.

texture compression is not the game's rendered resolution.  when he's talking about matching the PS3 version by using 3 DVD's on PC (same thing necessary for 360 version to match PS3 version), it's about having space for all the textures without having to compress them to fit on the disc.  has nothing to do with the resolution the game is rendered at (you can use the same textures running at 640x480 and 1600x1200--it doesn't matter). 

i'm surprised he's even considering the possibility of NOT using as many DVD's as necessary for the PC version.  it's not like 4 disc PC games are not heard of. 

i was talking about pc features you can't have on your shitty console.

[Kestastrophe]

Also, I have my doubts that the PS3 version of Rage will have a hard disc install, otherwise Carmack failed to mention that PS3 then has two things over the 360, actually.

WTF? This is the first time that i've seen the mandatory PS3 hard disc installs called an advantage in the console war, lol

[cool breeze]

I wonder if it would be so hard for Carmack to ship the game on 2 DVD for the 360, then have some patch or something on XBL that utilizes the installing DVD option and all that so you just need the first DVD to boot it, then it runs as one cohesive game or something.  I wonder the extent of this installing game thing on the 360.  Like, I fully expect FF13 to have the option to install all DVDs and only need one boot DVD.

[AdmiralViscen]

Blu-Ray might be the only thing PS3 needs to force Xbox to another four-year term.

MS can drop the disc royalties but then they make Blu-Ray, and thus PS3, look good.

PS3 is the console version of Rage to get if you want to explore the wasteland.

So you think XBox720 is launching next Christmas? Because one game finally might manage to get fucked by DVD 6 months from now?

[Wolf Gang]

Carmack said the X360 version is going to be blurry compared to the PS3 version.

His words, not mine.

You're saying they're going to look exactly the same.

Okay.

And, yes, I do think X720 is going to get launched next holiday season, and not just because of one game. Because of many.

Now that developers are starting to catch up, the issues with Rage are going to become a trend.

Did you not watch Sony's E3 conference this year? The director of the new Prince of Persia game was shown in a video specifically citing Blu-Ray's space as forgiving. The lead programmer of Far Cry 2 specifically cited the PS3's Cell for allowing higher budgets.

"Forgiving" is not a word you hear thrown around about development on PS3, especially not from Carmack.

If Microsoft doesn't launch a new system with a Blu-Ray drive soon, then the longer they wait, the more outdated they're going to look -- like Nintendo.

[AdmiralViscen]

Yea, Nintendo is clearly fucked.

When are they announcing this console?

Why are they going to throw the 360 in the garbage when it's just become profitable and pour billions more into designing, marketing, manufacturing, launching a brand new device and starting back on the bottom of the hill on their investment, never mind in consumer awareness or dev support.

[cool breeze]

If anything happens, most games will just be held back for the 360.  Microsoft is too ballin' in the hardcore gaming scene to upgrade when they don't need to.  Third party devs aren't stupid enough to shun the 360 in anyway when their games sell much better on that system.    It's just the way it is.  Also, don't trust the devs when they praise the system and that praise is being presented by that company.  It is bullshit 60%, everytime.

And Carmack said that the key scenes in Rage would be identical on the PS3 and 360.  This means most of the indoor stuff where you actually look for detail.  The parts getting downgraded would be the open wasteland stuff most likely.  Is it a big deal? who knows.  I mean, the game does have races and times when you want to be exploring that type of area, but I doubt it will be anything worth getting pissed off about.  Only people that would care are people who also cared about different blurring in DMC4 and other shit like that.  It is ridiculous.

This entire situation is actually just because Microsoft didn't make hard drive standard on the platform.  That was such a stupid choice by them.  The Xbox had hard drive standard, why the hell would they think to downgrade like that?

[Crushed]

And, yes, I do think X720 is going to get launched next holiday season, and not just because of one game. Because of many.

quotin' this for future reference

[Wolf Gang]

Nintendo is totally fucked. Once people realize how chain smoker Miyamoto & Co. ripped billions of dollars off of them when they could've been watching Blu-Ray movies all along and going to a real gym, then Nintendo will never even have the support of Super Mario and Zelda fans again. How does it feel to be a Super Mario fan knowing that Galaxy plays like shit and looks like a piece of shit compared to Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction?

I don't know when Microsoft will be announcing this console. Probably sometime after the release of Rage.

They're going to throw 360 in the garbage because it is garbage now, and if they don't, they're going to let Sony be the sole forebearer of disc based high-definition media. Sony and PS3 will have had Blu-Ray for a full generation before Microsoft, if Microsoft doesn't spend more of its Windows profits to continue to cockblock Sony from the living room.

As for developers holding games back for the 360... well, Carmack didn't do that, and he's on the Xbox wise men's committee or advisory or something. PS3 version is going to outshine the X360 version, which hurt him so dearly to admit. He basically shunned the 360 publicly.

PS3 Rage will outsell the 360 Rage, for anybody who wants their money's worth. And, really, who isn't getting their money's worth with a $400 PS3 at this point?

[Crushed]

good god what the hell

[cool breeze]

As for developers holding games back for the 360... well, Carmack didn't do that, and he's on the Xbox wise men's committee or advisory or something. PS3 version is going to outshine the X360 version, which hurt him so dearly to admit. He basically shunned the 360 publicly.

That is because it is leading on PC, and as we know, PC > Console bullshittery.

[Joe Molotov]

Wolf Gang is obviously a troll, I don't know why you guys are responding to him.

[Wolf Gang]

As Carmack knows, console bullshittery > PC when it comes to "feasible solution."

The PS3 will best showcase his work to the mainstream.

How unfortunate.

[Crushed]

Wolf Gang is obviously a troll, I don't know why you guys are responding to him.

I think he at least HOPES that his insane predictions come true.