Author Topic: The Braid thread of M$ lies and hippie Blow not wanting a job (Read 23333 times)

demi · « **on:** August 05, 2008, 05:57:10 PM »

I'm totally buying this. It's so pretty.

Update: I totally did NOT buy it, because Blow is a filthy hippie distinguished mentally-challenged fellow

demi · « **Reply #1 on:** August 05, 2008, 05:59:29 PM »

Maybe I can afford 1200 points

cool breeze · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:00:58 PM »

Game looks really ugly. Almost like if someone used DKC as the basis to make an artsy game. I will try the demo to see if the core gameplay isn't shit, and it turns out positive, I will buy it for all the various time gimmick stuff they put in it. It is kind of like with LBP and everyone getting excited about the creation aspect, but all that would be nil if the core gameplay was bad. Then again I am really excited for LBP, so I am just being a hypocrite here.

MCD · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:02:20 PM »

demo better be good.

demi · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:02:27 PM »

I have to support Microsoft. They are the best company ever.

MCD · « **Reply #5 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:04:21 PM »

Quote from: demi on August 05, 2008, 06:02:27 PM

I have to support Microsoft. They are the best company ever.

but they lied!

demi · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:05:07 PM »

Would you ruin your relationship with someone because they lied, even if they were deliciously hot and offered you sex all the time?

No, you wouldn't. Priorities, man.

demi · « **Reply #7 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:06:55 PM »

Good sex is the quickest. Those 5 minute jerkoff sessions? Usually those feel pretty good. That's what playing an Xbox game is like.

JustinP · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:10:50 PM »

doesn't look too good, to be honest. looks like a lot of other student games. concept is interesting but i haven't seen any footage that really sells it to me. will play it on PC if it ends up being worth it.

demi · « **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:20:21 PM »

Quote from: JustinP on August 05, 2008, 06:10:50 PM

doesn't look too good, to be honest. looks like a lot of other student games. concept is interesting but i haven't seen any footage that really sells it to me. will play it on PC if it ends up being worth it.

I think you're just jealous Jonathan Blow is a more successful indie developer than you. At least he will be a couple dollars richer when I buy his game. Where is yours? You mad?

JustinP · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2008, 06:22:39 PM »

Quote from: dcharlie on August 05, 2008, 06:16:11 PM

what an amazing surprise!

i wouldn't buy this on PSN either. games like galaga legions and castle crashers look great to me. this one doesn't. go cry about it.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2008, 07:38:32 PM »

ITT: filthy poors

cool breeze · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2008, 08:06:41 PM »

Quote from: demi on August 05, 2008, 06:20:21 PM

I think you're just jealous Jonathan Blow is a more successful indie developer than you. At least he will be a couple dollars richer when I buy his game. Where is yours? You mad?

Curious about who this Jonathan Blow guy is and why this Braid game, which looks to be a flash game, has apparently taken more than two years to complete, so I looked it up on wikipedia. From wikipedia I found a website with some of his old games. Here is one of those games:

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Painter
One day I was thinking about what kind of game I would make for Nintendo's upcoming Revolution console, and I thought it might be neat to use the controller as a paintbrush to paint pictures on the screen. That idea by itself is not enough to make a game. (Why are you painting pitcures?) So I plugged in an old idea I had floating around, which is that there are different critics with contradictory aesthetics who judge your painting, and you try to construct things that please enough of them to get by.

Pokemon Snap meets Microsoft Paint. BRILLIANT!

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Oracle Billiards
This is about what it might be like to see the future, and how that might change a game like billiards.

AMAZING!

And his thoughts on achievements:

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He said he believed such games were exploitative of players by using a simple reward for suffering schema to keep them in front of their consoles.

SUCCESS!

I will be buying this if Braid is just a series of M. Night Shyamalan-like twists with time like those fine ideas are. I still think that Braid is an ugly game that only Rare would be happy slapping its name on, well, until now that is.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2008, 08:26:42 PM »

Jonathan Blow is a super hippie from the future who talks too much, but at least he managed to ship a game for once

demi · « **Reply #14 on:** August 05, 2008, 08:30:37 PM »

He's an indie dev, swaggaz, not Miyamoto.

Your last quote isn't even about achievemenets, either.

cool breeze · « **Reply #15 on:** August 05, 2008, 08:37:03 PM »

Yeah, and he seems to have pretty cool ideas, just doesn't follow through with them. Braid seems like it is the follow through. It got me more excited than seeing any ugly screen shot or ugly video of the game ever would.

And yeah, the quote is about WoW, but it more or less works. Plus I am trying to get a job at Kotaku, so I need to practice on sensationalist stories..

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #16 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:00:03 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on August 05, 2008, 08:37:03 PM

Yeah, and he seems to have pretty cool ideas, just doesn't follow through with them. Braid seems like it is the follow through. It got me more excited than seeing any ugly screen shot or ugly video of the game ever would.

And yeah, the quote is about WoW, but it more or less works. Plus I am trying to get a job at Kotaku, so I need to practice on sensationalist stories..

Kotaku pays?

cool breeze · « **Reply #17 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:04:36 PM »

The pay is whatever developers give us to praise their game, and depending on how long you have been there you can get either 1, 3, or 5 hours of watching Brian Crecente comb his hair.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #18 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:07:30 PM »

Didn't you see the Dark Knight? Never do something you're good at for free

cool breeze · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:31:50 PM »

It is better than working at 1up. Every week they give you an envelope that either says someone new is getting hired, or you are getting fired.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2008, 09:55:46 PM »

Almost def buying, people who act like this doesnt' look awesome are shitstains

cool breeze · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2008, 10:01:39 PM »

Gameplay looks interesting, and after watching the gameplay demo it looks interesting, but the actual style to the graphics look terrible. I'm guessing just as you people who like it can't understand why I don't like it, I feel the opposite way about you.

cool breeze · « **Reply #22 on:** August 05, 2008, 10:22:25 PM »

Nah, I was just joking around. I already have a nice job where I can spend my time on a computer. Thanks anyway.

Hitler Stole My Potato · « **Reply #23 on:** August 05, 2008, 10:38:13 PM »

Braid is this year's Portal. Get on the hype train today!

jiji · « **Reply #24 on:** August 05, 2008, 10:45:14 PM »

Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 05, 2008, 10:38:13 PM

Braid is this year's Portal. Get on the hype train today!

please no

I like the presentation a lot, honest, and the solution to the last puzzle in world 2 is pretty nifty, but there's little from what I've seen in videos that hasn't been done before. It's a Mario game with time gimmicks and no deaths. I'm sure the full game is perfectly good, but the hype cloud around this one is noxious.

cool breeze · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2008, 10:50:12 PM »

Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 05, 2008, 10:38:13 PM

Braid is this year's Portal. Get on the hype train today!

Realistically if that was a 'this years Portal', it would probably be Mirror's Edge.

To kill the time waiting for the game, try out these flash games:

http://www.kongregate.com/games/Scarybug/chronotron
http://www.kongregate.com/games/ArmorGames/shift

They do similar time/shifting stuff with the world.

MCD · « **Reply #26 on:** August 05, 2008, 10:51:40 PM »

http://braid-game.com/news/?p=245#comments

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My feeling was that Microsoft would price the game at 1200 no matter what I said; however, I never pushed them to that point. Late last week, Microsoft and I had a conversation where we talked about a bunch of issues and I agreed on the 1200 point price.

There are good reasons why I picked 1200 instead of 800 (I thought about writing them up today, but I’m not sure it’s really appropriate; I might, though, tonight. We’ll see how I feel about it later.)

The Reader’s Digest version is, I would have been perfectly happy with a launch price of 800 points. At 1200 points I am less happy, but I am okay with it.

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Yeah. And I am not trying to claim I made the right decision — I have no idea what the right decision was, and we won’t know next week either (since no matter how high or low the sales are, they always could have been only a little higher, or almost as low, at $10).

And again, I don’t know if I would have been able to convince Microsoft to release the game at 800 points anyway, so it seemed my best move was to make the agreement and keep a good relationship with them.

If it were just a matter of my own money, I wouldn’t care so much, but I ran out of money while developing Braid and had to borrow a lot — so I owe people a lot of money. That makes the nature of the decision a little different.

price spinning.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 05, 2008, 11:43:31 PM »

why not somewhere between 800 to 1200 points? like 1000. makes too much sense!

demi · « **Reply #28 on:** August 06, 2008, 12:40:36 AM »

Did you read some of Blow's latest comments? Dude is a huge crybaby

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There is a significant possibility that Braid would have been the next Psychonauts or Beyond Good and Evil (critically acclaimed but nobody played it), even at $10. If that happens at $10 then I am in debt and have to get a job and can’t make games any more. If that happens at $15, maybe I can still make games. That is the difference.

OH NO HE MAY HAVE TO GET A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pilonv1 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:09:58 AM »

Quote from: demi on August 06, 2008, 12:40:36 AM

Did you read some of Blow's latest comments? Dude is a huge crybaby

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There is a significant possibility that Braid would have been the next Psychonauts or Beyond Good and Evil (critically acclaimed but nobody played it), even at $10. If that happens at $10 then I am in debt and have to get a job and can’t make games any more. If that happens at $15, maybe I can still make games. That is the difference.

OH NO HE MAY HAVE TO GET A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

getting a second job, he must want a ps3

cool breeze · « **Reply #30 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:24:43 AM »

Quote from: demi on August 06, 2008, 12:40:36 AM

Did you read some of Blow's latest comments? Dude is a huge crybaby

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There is a significant possibility that Braid would have been the next Psychonauts or Beyond Good and Evil (critically acclaimed but nobody played it), even at $10. If that happens at $10 then I am in debt and have to get a job and can’t make games any more. If that happens at $15, maybe I can still make games. That is the difference.

OH NO HE MAY HAVE TO GET A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This guy spins on a level that only people like Dyack can compete with.

I do feel a bit sad that Michel Ancel and Tim Schafer ended up becoming poor after their games didn't become huge sellers. I heard Tim Schafer was sucking anus down in Jersey in hopes of making another game, and I think Ancel is selling blow.

MCD · « **Reply #31 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:48:13 AM »

not really, all the reviews are in his favor.

and he was giving examples of games not aligning himself with these two.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 06, 2008, 02:14:40 AM »

3hrs isnt it?

MCD · « **Reply #33 on:** August 06, 2008, 04:13:39 AM »

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/08/06/arcade-braid.aspx

it's up.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #34 on:** August 06, 2008, 04:36:18 AM »

This is kinda neat and trippy, I dunno if I'd throw $15 at it though.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 06, 2008, 06:56:51 AM »

I have NFI but it's driving me insane

OK I got it but I'm not sure this is worth 1200pts. It's charming and I adore the music but I just dont know...

pilonv1 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 06, 2008, 07:23:27 AM »

I loved world 4. I'm still on the fence though, I just wonder how long it would keep me interested. It just looks and sounds beautiful.

dark1x · « **Reply #37 on:** August 06, 2008, 07:50:08 AM »

So, how are the actual core mechanics? You know, running, jumping and all that? Does it feel solid?

pilonv1 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 06, 2008, 08:03:36 AM »

I thought the controls were fine.

cool breeze · « **Reply #39 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:27:24 AM »

This game is fantastic. I played the demo for about 5 or 10 minutes before buying the full thing. I still have my problems with the actual main character look, but the backgrounds look much better on my TV rather than a video on my PC. Also, the music is amazing.

demi · « **Reply #40 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:30:35 AM »

I'm not even gonna buy it, I want this asshole to get a fucking job like he oh so despises

demi · « **Reply #41 on:** August 06, 2008, 10:13:30 AM »

Well glad I played the demo, saved me $15

Fuck off Blow, enjoy your new job

Grecco · « **Reply #42 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:02:38 PM »

Meh the gameplay is neat but the story is emo hot topic garbage.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #43 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:07:49 PM »

Enjoying this game mucho. Didn't do so well at getting puzzle pieces in world 4 though. World 3 is my most successful so far.

cool breeze · « **Reply #44 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:33:40 PM »

Quote from: Grecco on August 06, 2008, 01:02:38 PM

Meh the gameplay is neat but the story is emo hot topic garbage.

Yeah it is. I am enjoying it, but I would put it on the level of something like Lost Winds or something. I'm on world 6 and 1-5 are 100%. Two times I asked for help on gaf, but both times I figured it out myself. This game is pretty bad at actually explaining to you what the extend of your powers are. That is cool in the sense that you need to figure it out for yourself, but it is also a bit annoying.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #45 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:51:23 PM »

I'm not getting what to do in one part of the first world - it's the one with the two sets of cloud cannons, an enemy, and nothing else. There are two puzzle pieces, one above the area exit door and another on a ledge up above it (it's where the puzzle portrait appears).

Last two puzzles for the world, and I don't see what I even have to interact with. There must be something obvious I'm overlooking.

Yea swaggaz, I'm done with all 6 worlds with about half the pieces in the last couple. I do like that they don't give you info screens, but sometimes I'd be in the last part of a world and just realized I could do some move or what have you. It's good for replay value, doesn't bother me too much. This first world though, I have almost no abilities and I'm standing here again

btw, you can use LB and RB to speed up time when holding X

edit: oh holy shit

demi · « **Reply #46 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:55:49 PM »

You have to use the painting itself. The "platform" is the table in the painting, you have to go into the painting and move it to the very top. You can stand on it. Use it to jump to the first piece, then go back and move the platform to get the walking thing on it, then move the painting so the enemy falls, then simply jump on it and get the final piece.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #47 on:** August 06, 2008, 01:57:31 PM »

Yea, I just got it, haha

Vrolokus · « **Reply #48 on:** August 06, 2008, 03:38:40 PM »

I'm probably about halfway through, and love it. I'm concerned about replayability naturally (once you know how to do each puzzle, you've exhausted the novelty), but it really is a unique, well-designed game.

It drives me nuts to read posts at pits like GameFAQs on how it's a "SMB ripoff" and should've been a couple dollars less... no doubt from people who have 1000/1000 points out of Quake IV and a drawing of Nariko on their Trapper Keeper.

cool breeze · « **Reply #49 on:** August 06, 2008, 04:00:30 PM »

Complete the game. Every puzzle piece and all that. This may be the first game I get all achievement points in. Just gotta see how hard the speed run stuff is.

Buy it. It is worth it. Blow still needs to get a job.

Actually, screw that, I'm not gonna try and beat this game in 45 minutes.

Grecco · « **Reply #50 on:** August 06, 2008, 05:32:30 PM »

Quote from: Vrolokus on August 06, 2008, 03:38:40 PM

I'm probably about halfway through, and love it. I'm concerned about replayability naturally (once you know how to do each puzzle, you've exhausted the novelty), but it really is a unique, well-designed game.

It drives me nuts to read posts at pits like GameFAQs on how it's a "SMB ripoff" and should've been a couple dollars less... no doubt from people who have 1000/1000 points out of Quake IV and a drawing of Nariko on their Trapper Keeper.

Im not calling it SMB Ripoffs i have no idea who Nariko is

but admitedly i do have Q4 and that cost me less than what This game would cost me :p

Vrolokus · « **Reply #51 on:** August 06, 2008, 06:22:03 PM »

Quote from: Grecco on August 06, 2008, 05:32:30 PM

i do have Q4 and that cost me less than what This game would cost me :p

Braid is more, but hey: sometimes, you get what you pay for.

Bildi · « **Reply #52 on:** August 06, 2008, 06:59:30 PM »

Just yesterday I was feeling the urge to buy something on XBLA but nothing tickled my pickle. I'm so glad I didn't get anything because this sounds really good.

Grecco · « **Reply #53 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:08:16 PM »

Do you get an upgrade later on? Theres some pieces in World 2 i cant get in the demo for the life of me

cool breeze · « **Reply #54 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:16:54 PM »

You never get upgrades. There is always a solution. Unlike Portal where you can find multiple solutions, this game is stingy and only has one solution.

Grecco · « **Reply #55 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:22:52 PM »

Im missing two of the puzzle pieces from World 2 and have no idea how to get them. The last one in the Cloud Cannons and the last one in the hunt puzzle. I wanna see if i can finish it then.

Mrbob · « **Reply #56 on:** August 06, 2008, 09:26:50 PM »

Played the demo, didn't care for it. I was pretty pumped to play the game with all the positive hype. I'll pass and wait on the next Xbox Live savior, Castle Crashers.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #57 on:** August 07, 2008, 12:12:55 AM »

Yea you can definitely get all the pieces in world 2 without any new abilities. I don't remember how to do each of them of fthe top of my head, sorry.

Do you need to get every single puzzle piece in order to get to the end of the game?

demi · « **Reply #58 on:** August 07, 2008, 12:18:20 AM »

hey did you bother to read my post i made when you asked the SAME QUESTION

for the HUNT level you kill the first goomba, climb the ladder, AVOID the second goomba, kill the third, climb the second ladder, kill the fourth, then jump down ON the second goomba - this boosts you up to the ledge, then you can kill the last two

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #59 on:** August 07, 2008, 12:19:30 AM »

Oh, I forgot world 2 is really world 1

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Author Topic: The Braid thread of M$ lies and hippie Blow not wanting a job (Read 23333 times)