Author Topic: I never realized how distinguished mentally-challenged IE is. (Read 5665 times)

GilloD · « **on:** August 25, 2008, 10:58:15 AM »

Literally distinguished mentally-challenged. I always had the undertsanding that IE was a little behind the times, but now that I'm coding my first "really real" website, the difference is just. It may as well be two seperate sets of code for IE and Firefox. IE is throwing weird spacings everywhere. Ugh.

Is there a sort of guide to the kinds of things I'll need to compensate for in IE?

Mupepe · « **Reply #1 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:12:58 AM »

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:29:26 AM »

most of the world uses ie. just because some body creates a specification and calls it a "standard" doesn't mean it IS the standard -- the standard is the browser with the highest usage/adoption. code for ie, and fix for firefox and other, lesser browsers.

ie

crappy open-source browsers used by incompetent contrarians

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:35:53 AM »

lewlz

Bocsius · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:56:30 AM »

What the professor said.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #5 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:58:42 AM »

Yeah, compensating for the most popular browser is

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cloudwalking · « **Reply #7 on:** August 25, 2008, 12:18:41 PM »

Quote from: GilloD on August 25, 2008, 10:58:15 AM

It may as well be two seperate sets of code for IE and Firefox. IE is throwing weird spacings everywhere. Ugh.

if you're having real trouble, try making a seperate stylesheet for IE and load it in conditional comments maybe? like so, in the head tag:

Code: [Select]

<!--[if IE]>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="stylesheetforie.css">
<![endif]-->

it makes your regular stylesheet load unless someone views the page with IE, in which case the conditional comment kicks in and loads the IE stylesheet where you can make the needed compensations. i had to do it on my website.

T234 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 25, 2008, 12:27:41 PM »

Fuck firefox. IE8 B2 plz

GilloD · « **Reply #9 on:** August 25, 2008, 12:35:26 PM »

Quote from: cloudwalking on August 25, 2008, 12:18:41 PM

Quote from: GilloD on August 25, 2008, 10:58:15 AM
It may as well be two seperate sets of code for IE and Firefox. IE is throwing weird spacings everywhere. Ugh.

if you're having real trouble, try making a seperate stylesheet for IE and load it in conditional comments maybe? like so, in the head tag:

Code: [Select]

it makes your regular stylesheet load unless someone views the page with IE, in which case the conditional comment kicks in and loads the IE stylesheet where you can make the needed compensations. i had to do it on my website.

I may do this. I tried using a reset lib, but there are just a bazillion tiny things.

Vizzys · « **Reply #10 on:** August 25, 2008, 12:36:04 PM »

patrickula · « **Reply #11 on:** August 25, 2008, 12:43:10 PM »

IE
There oughta be a law against this shit

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #12 on:** August 25, 2008, 12:43:58 PM »

I wish I still knew hot to code cool websites

Himu · « **Reply #13 on:** August 25, 2008, 12:46:18 PM »

i am using IE right now and it is god awful. I try to dl firefox and it gives me some bullshit and takes forever to load so I don't even bother.

Jesus Christ on a stick, it's like I'm back in the 90's and I used 56k to dl mp3s from morpheus. Got damn.

I hate IE.

The interface is shit. Why the fuck is the back and forward buttons AT THE VERY TOP OF THE BROWSER and why the hell are the refresh and stop buttons on the right of the address bar? Fuck IE.

Christ, IE can't even save your messages automatically if you accidentally press a button.

Write something in the post text box in IE at evilore. Press the main page or whatever and try to go back. Chances are, sihtty IE no longer has your post.

Now, do the same thing with Firefox. It kept your post! Holy shit!

I fucking hate IE.

APF · « **Reply #14 on:** August 25, 2008, 12:49:17 PM »

IE7 is good enough with standards that generally speaking you don't have to worry about it doing something completely weird, and the combination of IE7 + FF is what "most" web visitors are using nowadays. This is why most web developers will code to the standards, preview in FF, and create separate iefixes stylesheets for IE6's overall shittyness.

patrickula · « **Reply #15 on:** August 25, 2008, 12:55:19 PM »

IE7 isn't so bad. It's just IE6 that needs to be purged from this earth

Firefox is also used by devs because of plugins like Firebug. Firebug

TVC15 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 25, 2008, 01:07:33 PM »

Quote from: patrickula on August 25, 2008, 12:55:19 PM

IE7 isn't so bad. It's just IE6 that needs to be purged from this earth

Firefox is also used by devs because of plugins like Firebug. Firebug

MS should have made IE7 a forced update, really. No idea why they didn't.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #17 on:** August 25, 2008, 01:10:31 PM »

you shoulda heard my old man bitch after i installed ie7 over ie6 on his laptop

he sounded like himumu "ah cain't find shit! whar's mah buttons? whar's mah bookmarks? what yew done to mah computer??"

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2008, 01:13:59 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 25, 2008, 01:10:31 PM

you shoulda heard my old man bitch after i installed ie7 over ie6 on his laptop

he sounded like himumu "ah cain't find shit! whar's mah buttons? whar's mah bookmarks? what yew done to mah computer??"

My dad has been complaining all last week when I upgraded his labtop from XP to 32bit Vista Business without his consent.

demi · « **Reply #19 on:** August 25, 2008, 01:14:02 PM »

IE7 made cross-compatibility much more easier (transparent PNGs!), but when you have to work with the plebes who are still on IE5 even then it all goes to shit

My solution: Fuck em, get 7 or get out

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #20 on:** August 25, 2008, 01:21:14 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on August 25, 2008, 01:13:59 PM

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 25, 2008, 01:10:31 PM
you shoulda heard my old man bitch after i installed ie7 over ie6 on his laptop

he sounded like himumu "ah cain't find shit! whar's mah buttons? whar's mah bookmarks? what yew done to mah computer??"

My dad has been complaining all last week when I upgraded his labtop from XP to 32bit Vista Business without his consent.

well, my dad bitched so much about vista "WHAR DID ALL MAH PROGR'MS GOOO!!!" that me and my brother rolled him back to xp, and then he STILL kept bitching about vista because he forgot he was back on xp. when we reminded him, he told us we were full of shit and had tricked him -- that he was sure it was still vista because HE COULDN'T FIND THINGS. out of the blue, he said MEBBE AH SHOULD TRY MACINTOSH CUZ I HEAR IT JUST WORKS (and this is after a lifetime of hating macs), which also explains why most non-tvc mac users are so fucking dumb about computers in general.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #21 on:** August 25, 2008, 01:22:41 PM »

Quote from: demi on August 25, 2008, 01:14:02 PM

IE7 made cross-compatibility much more easier (transparent PNGs!), but when you have to work with the plebes who are still on IE5 even then it all goes to shit

My solution: Fuck em, get 7 or get out

demi: only real web developer on evilbore

patrickula · « **Reply #22 on:** August 25, 2008, 01:28:35 PM »

I would love so much to use transparent pngs all over the place

And the hacks just don't cut it.

MCD · « **Reply #23 on:** August 25, 2008, 01:52:53 PM »

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/

IE8

laesperanzapaz · « **Reply #24 on:** August 25, 2008, 08:54:10 PM »

and the amazing thing is IE6 is supremely dominant in most mass-manafucatured computers for public use. because IE 7 breaks too much shit.

IE

Opera/FF

competence, open source

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #25 on:** August 25, 2008, 09:41:41 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 25, 2008, 01:10:31 PM

you shoulda heard my old man bitch after i installed ie7 over ie6 on his laptop

he sounded like himumu "ah cain't find shit! whar's mah buttons? whar's mah bookmarks? what yew done to mah computer??"

Sounds more like Ian or whoever from Mary Worth.

CurseoftheGods · « **Reply #26 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:00:28 PM »

I like Firefox because of its extensions.

*runs*

Rman · « **Reply #27 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:04:45 PM »

I'm mostly a mac user, so I use camino/firefox primarily. IE7 has been pretty solid, which I use primarily at work for web enterprise apps like Salesforce.com. IE6 is the devil, tho. What a piece of crap. I gave up on firefox due to its memory leak issues. I heard the new version has fixed that issue, tho.

ananus · « **Reply #28 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:15:52 PM »

if i didn't have this and this, i'd be pretty paranoid about pretty much any site. with them, i don't worry about anything and i don't even need an antivirus or spybot or anything really. and this is useful too. i started using ff before version 1.0 came out and never looked back.

ie

from my experience ie7 leaks memory everywhere too, and i wasn't even using it for the shady sites.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #29 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:20:32 PM »

leaks memory? as bad as ff/ff2 do?

that said, i doubt any of you have ever hooked ie7 up to a profiler, so wtf are you on about

APF · « **Reply #30 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:49:36 PM »

While FF3 craps all over IE7 in almost every test I've seen, Webkit / Safari is the new God of Browsers Above All Else--although, the recent FF nightlies are supposed to be even *more* superior over busted old IE7. There's a huge spark in browser competition because of this rivalry between otherwise unmatched foes. Definitely check either out if you even remotely care about performance, since they all dominate so completely over busted old garbage only the ignorant use.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #31 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:55:34 PM »

'busted old IE7'? Jesus it doesnt matter WHAT you talk about, you still sound fukin crazy.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #32 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:56:57 PM »

he's just playing his contrarian card. when a web developer speaks on matters of software engineering, no-one actually listens

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #33 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:57:29 PM »

FOES, Prole. FOES

demi · « **Reply #34 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:59:20 PM »

if any browser was good they'd let me do 100% height

but no, not so good now is it

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #35 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:01:27 AM »

not so good

demi · « **Reply #36 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:01:47 AM »

not so fucking good.

patrickula · « **Reply #37 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:01:57 AM »

I just tried to do 100% height

I always forget just how shitty these things are until I start a new site.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #38 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:04:12 AM »

is it

demi · « **Reply #39 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:05:22 AM »

Quote from: patrickula on August 26, 2008, 12:01:57 AM

I just tried to do 100% height
I always forget just how shitty these things are until I start a new site.

bu bu bu webkit

APF · « **Reply #40 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:09:35 AM »

IE7 is old. That's why they're releasing 8. In a lot of ways 8 will catch up to the work FF and Webkit have been doing but IE7 itself isn't that hot in comparison. Although I invite either you or Prole to actually add an argument other than NO YOU CRAZY, if you actually spend more than a minute reviewing any comparison that's been done between the apps, you'd come to a similar conclusion.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #41 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:10:28 AM »

No this is the same fucking shit you do in the political threads. We invest time trying to refute your bullshit, then you just shit more out of yer puckered little ass to make more. ARhghghghhg

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #42 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:12:33 AM »

i am PRETTY sure i know quite a bit more about ie7, ie8, and their competition than all of this forum combined

for example, i will not try to tell patel that age of conan outperforms wow, no matter what i believe to be true and the presence of many various biased tests i have undertaken to try and prove my point

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #43 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:12:55 AM »

bobobobo slashdot said

patrickula · « **Reply #44 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:13:47 AM »

Quote from: demi on August 26, 2008, 12:05:22 AM

Quote from: patrickula on August 26, 2008, 12:01:57 AM
I just tried to do 100% height
I always forget just how shitty these things are until I start a new site.

bu bu bu webkit

I was using FF3, they're all kinda shit

Or am I missing some ff power?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #45 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:14:32 AM »

Lets appreciate Safari and its one useful feature 'copy image address'

APF · « **Reply #46 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:16:39 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 26, 2008, 12:12:33 AM

i am PRETTY sure i know quite a bit more about ie7, ie8, and their competition than all of this forum combined

for example, i will not try to tell patel that age of conan outperforms wow, no matter what i believe to be true and the presence of many various biased tests i have undertaken to try and prove my point

So stop being a douche, and actually show something from your unbiased tests. That way you can be right and show you're right.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #47 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:16:48 AM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on August 26, 2008, 12:12:55 AM

bobobobo slashdot said

hey, i'm not gonna get in the direct path of the "vista sucks lol" and "ie sucks lol" memes, because for 80% of the shithead internet, perception has invariably dictated reality

a shame that thinking they have anime girlfriends can't likewise dictate reality, if only because it might take them away from the keyboard

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #48 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:17:30 AM »

Quote from: APF on August 26, 2008, 12:16:39 AM

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 26, 2008, 12:12:33 AM
i am PRETTY sure i know quite a bit more about ie7, ie8, and their competition than all of this forum combined

for example, i will not try to tell patel that age of conan outperforms wow, no matter what i believe to be true and the presence of many various biased tests i have undertaken to try and prove my point

So stop being a douche, and actually show something from your unbiased tests. That way you can be right and show you're right.

mm hm. that's an absolutely terrible idea.

APF · « **Reply #49 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:20:06 AM »

Then STFU already. Seriously, put up or shut up. "OMG I can't believe you're brainwashed lol" "ok, I'm open to contrary evidence, prove everything I've read wrong" "no for some reason lol" "ok, so why are you talking again...?"

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #50 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:21:04 AM »

u mad?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #51 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:21:47 AM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 26, 2008, 12:18:44 AM

My wife's work banned FF.

I have FF installed on my MacBook cause its got such a pretty icon haha. Plus it squashes all other mac compat web browsers

APF · « **Reply #52 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:22:36 AM »

Do I look mad? I'm bemused.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #53 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:23:23 AM »

I use Firefox for the hell of it, really. It does what I need it to do.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #54 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:24:18 AM »

wait, haha they were complaining everyone else used IE? hahah wtf

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #55 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:24:46 AM »

Quote from: APF on August 26, 2008, 12:22:36 AM

Do I look mad? I'm bemused.

haha, u mad.

APF · « **Reply #56 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:26:24 AM »

If they were using IE7 I don't see what the FF users' problem was. If those IE folks want poor performance and memory leaks, so be it.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #57 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:28:28 AM »

Quote from: APF on August 26, 2008, 12:26:24 AM

If they were using IE7 I don't see what the FF users' problem was. If those IE folks want poor performance and memory leaks, so be it.

Its like youre channeling some crazy blog corner of the web.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #58 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:29:02 AM »

you mean slashdot?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #59 on:** August 26, 2008, 12:29:21 AM »

yes :/

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