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Bocsius

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #360 on: September 29, 2008, 11:11:33 PM »
I'm not going to get into an argument about who's fault it was. There's nothing that I could post that would get you to even begin to see it any other way than how you're seeing it now.

You know, I'd really like to know how ANYONE could see it differently.  Sure I've got my ideas and thoughts, but I'm genuinely interested in how someone on the other side sees it.

The government can't do anything right. The free market, on the other hand, can't do anything right.

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #361 on: September 29, 2008, 11:13:55 PM »
So srsly guys: to bank run or not to bank run?

Your money's secured by the FDIC. If the FDIC fails, well you're money's not going to be worth anything anyway, so might as well ride it out.
2GREAT 2DEPRESSING: THE RIDE :rock

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #362 on: September 29, 2008, 11:14:50 PM »
I'm not going to get into an argument about who's fault it was. There's nothing that I could post that would get you to even begin to see it any other way than how you're seeing it now.

You know, I'd really like to know how ANYONE could see it differently.  Sure I've got my ideas and thoughts, but I'm genuinely interested in how someone on the other side sees it.

allow me to sum up the specious, blame-the-victim stance of republicans nationwide: "blah blah blah blah cra blah blah blah lending to dirty poors blah blah clinton"
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #363 on: September 29, 2008, 11:17:41 PM »
We should just got back to a feudal bartering system.
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #364 on: September 29, 2008, 11:18:09 PM »
I'm not going to get into an argument about who's fault it was. There's nothing that I could post that would get you to even begin to see it any other way than how you're seeing it now.

You know, I'd really like to know how ANYONE could see it differently.  Sure I've got my ideas and thoughts, but I'm genuinely interested in how someone on the other side sees it.

Maybe you should branch out from the nutroot sites then.

I fail to fathom how seeing that lack of proper regulation of these drunken sailors on shore leave is "nutroots" but ok. 
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #365 on: September 29, 2008, 11:18:44 PM »
We should just got back to a feudal bartering system.

You know, I don't think we're gonna have much of a choice in the matter.
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #366 on: September 29, 2008, 11:19:49 PM »
We should just got back to a feudal bartering system.

You know, I don't think we're gonna have much of a choice in the matter.

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #367 on: September 29, 2008, 11:20:03 PM »
i'd like to invest in the one constant commodity that never seems to lose value in america: blaming clinton
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #368 on: September 29, 2008, 11:21:34 PM »
i'd like to invest in the one constant commodity that never seems to lose value in america: blaming clinton

I'll invest in deficit spending!
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #369 on: September 29, 2008, 11:34:48 PM »
So is Japan gonna go bust like your hobo country? I don't want to be blamed as a white devil and lynched

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #370 on: September 29, 2008, 11:39:11 PM »
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna move out of the country after college

If I can get college loans that is :(
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #371 on: September 29, 2008, 11:43:43 PM »
I updated this chart a few days ago. If you use the ~110k post-WWII average, then it shows just how much further the housing market has to correct:


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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #372 on: September 29, 2008, 11:50:00 PM »
I'm not going to get into an argument about who's fault it was. There's nothing that I could post that would get you to even begin to see it any other way than how you're seeing it now.

You know, I'd really like to know how ANYONE could see it differently.  Sure I've got my ideas and thoughts, but I'm genuinely interested in how someone on the other side sees it.

Maybe you should branch out from the nutroot sites then.

I fail to fathom how seeing that lack of proper regulation of these drunken sailors on shore leave is "nutroots" but ok. 

Your assumption is that it was solely the REPs who are responsible for lack of regulations. That's completely false.

Here's some help:

Clinton - Glass-Steagall
Clinton - Community Reinvestment Act

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #373 on: September 29, 2008, 11:50:49 PM »
Interesting chart but I'd like to see some more of his assumptions. There's usually some boneheaded thing in there that they don't properly adjust or account for, like the fact that the population (i.e. the demand for homes) is not the same size today as it was in 1890.
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #374 on: September 29, 2008, 11:52:56 PM »
I'm not going to get into an argument about who's fault it was. There's nothing that I could post that would get you to even begin to see it any other way than how you're seeing it now.

You know, I'd really like to know how ANYONE could see it differently.  Sure I've got my ideas and thoughts, but I'm genuinely interested in how someone on the other side sees it.

Maybe you should branch out from the nutroot sites then.

I fail to fathom how seeing that lack of proper regulation of these drunken sailors on shore leave is "nutroots" but ok. 

Your assumption is that it was solely the REPs who are responsible for lack of regulations. That's completely false.

Here's some help:

Clinton - Glass-Steagall
Clinton - Community Reinvestment Act

Quote from: me
allow me to sum up the specious, blame-the-victim stance of republicans nationwide: "blah blah blah blah cra blah blah blah lending to dirty poors blah blah clinton"

read dis: http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/09/economic_disasters_and_stupid.php
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #375 on: September 29, 2008, 11:57:22 PM »
Sorry for the stupid question, gentleman, but can someone explain the 2 great 2 depressing thing?

Bocsius

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #376 on: September 29, 2008, 11:59:28 PM »
The Great Depression, the sequel

2 Great 2 Depressing

siamesedreamer

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #377 on: September 30, 2008, 12:05:44 AM »
I'm not going to get into an argument about who's fault it was. There's nothing that I could post that would get you to even begin to see it any other way than how you're seeing it now.

You know, I'd really like to know how ANYONE could see it differently.  Sure I've got my ideas and thoughts, but I'm genuinely interested in how someone on the other side sees it.

Maybe you should branch out from the nutroot sites then.

I fail to fathom how seeing that lack of proper regulation of these drunken sailors on shore leave is "nutroots" but ok. 

Your assumption is that it was solely the REPs who are responsible for lack of regulations. That's completely false.

Here's some help:

Clinton - Glass-Steagall
Clinton - Community Reinvestment Act

Quote from: me
allow me to sum up the specious, blame-the-victim stance of republicans nationwide: "blah blah blah blah cra blah blah blah lending to dirty poors blah blah clinton"

read dis: http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/09/economic_disasters_and_stupid.php

heh...look at the second comment.  ;)

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #378 on: September 30, 2008, 12:09:25 AM »
I'm not going to get into an argument about who's fault it was. There's nothing that I could post that would get you to even begin to see it any other way than how you're seeing it now.

You know, I'd really like to know how ANYONE could see it differently.  Sure I've got my ideas and thoughts, but I'm genuinely interested in how someone on the other side sees it.

Maybe you should branch out from the nutroot sites then.

I fail to fathom how seeing that lack of proper regulation of these drunken sailors on shore leave is "nutroots" but ok. 

Your assumption is that it was solely the REPs who are responsible for lack of regulations. That's completely false.

Here's some help:

Clinton - Glass-Steagall
Clinton - Community Reinvestment Act

Quote from: me
allow me to sum up the specious, blame-the-victim stance of republicans nationwide: "blah blah blah blah cra blah blah blah lending to dirty poors blah blah clinton"

read dis: http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/09/economic_disasters_and_stupid.php

heh...look at the second comment.  ;)

you mean the one pointing out an example of dangerous deregulation (on clinton's watch, albeit authored by phil gramm)?
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #379 on: September 30, 2008, 12:13:33 AM »
The Great Depression, the sequel

2 Great 2 Depressing
We can also have the war movie spin off: G3RMANY DOES IT AGAIN!
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #380 on: September 30, 2008, 12:15:07 AM »
"On Clinton's Watch"

aka SIGNED INTO FUCKING LAW BY CLINTON

Bocsius

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #381 on: September 30, 2008, 12:16:20 AM »
Oh wow

Headline on huffingtonpost.com right now

"DOW CLOSES LOWER TODAY THAN FIRST DAY OF BUSH'S PRESIDENCY"

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On Monday, the Dow finished lower than when George W. Bush assumed the presidency: 10,587.59 on January 19, 2001 compared to 10,365.45 at its close on September 29, 2008.

Inauguration Day was Saturday, January 20, 2001.

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #382 on: September 30, 2008, 12:16:33 AM »
"On Clinton's Watch"

aka SIGNED INTO FUCKING LAW BY CLINTON

I'll give you that Clinton was a centrist scumfuck that should have vetoed that bill.

BUT!  Are you seriously trying to say that ANY Republican President wouldn't have broken their own wrist trying to sign that bill faster than the speed of light?
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« Reply #383 on: September 30, 2008, 12:21:48 AM »
Tell you what...now that we cleared up Clinton and G-S, why don't you go investigate his changes to the Community Reinvestment Act.

Oblivion

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« Reply #384 on: September 30, 2008, 12:24:23 AM »
I'm not going to get into an argument about who's fault it was. There's nothing that I could post that would get you to even begin to see it any other way than how you're seeing it now.

You know, I'd really like to know how ANYONE could see it differently.  Sure I've got my ideas and thoughts, but I'm genuinely interested in how someone on the other side sees it.

Maybe you should branch out from the nutroot sites then.

I fail to fathom how seeing that lack of proper regulation of these drunken sailors on shore leave is "nutroots" but ok. 

Your assumption is that it was solely the REPs who are responsible for lack of regulations. That's completely false.

Here's some help:

Clinton - Glass-Steagall
Clinton - Community Reinvestment Act

Quote from: me
allow me to sum up the specious, blame-the-victim stance of republicans nationwide: "blah blah blah blah cra blah blah blah lending to dirty poors blah blah clinton"

read dis: http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/09/economic_disasters_and_stupid.php

Hey, that was very enlightening. Especially to us clueless schlubs. Bookmarked. Thanks!

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #385 on: September 30, 2008, 12:26:20 AM »
I am interested in how SD would divvy up the blame:
Clinton 70%
Greenspan 20%
Bush 10%

Greenspan and the Fed has a huge factor in this as well as they cut interest rates too much to escalate unsustainable growth.  
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #386 on: September 30, 2008, 12:26:51 AM »
And while we're on the subject of blaming the REPs for not delivering enough votes, explain to me why Pelosi couldn't deliver yea votes from people like John Lewis? Yes, John fucking Lewis voted no.

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« Reply #387 on: September 30, 2008, 12:28:46 AM »
wat: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1841981-1,00.html

(bonus socialist points if you follow the links)

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« Reply #388 on: September 30, 2008, 12:30:37 AM »
And while we're on the subject of blaming the REPs for not delivering enough votes, explain to me why Pelosi couldn't deliver yea votes from people like John Lewis? Yes, John fucking Lewis voted no.

we're blaming the american voters for not understanding the issue and forcing their reps' hands against the bailout in the name of re-election, wingnut. any dem that didn't back the bailout should be drug into the street and drubbed alongside the majority of republicans.
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« Reply #389 on: September 30, 2008, 12:31:13 AM »
And how about Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. voting no?

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« Reply #390 on: September 30, 2008, 12:31:45 AM »
Some economic talking heads, like Suze Orman, think the Dow could drop another 2,000 to 2,500 points before it's all said and done.  Fucking scary!

Everyone push over an old lady at the supermarket and yell, "Soup run!"

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« Reply #391 on: September 30, 2008, 12:33:08 AM »
And how about Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. voting no?

what do we care about jesse jackson? you're rambling worse than your presidential candidate of choice!
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« Reply #392 on: September 30, 2008, 12:35:21 AM »
Some economic talking heads, like Suze Orman, think the Dow could drop another 2,000 to 2,500 points before it's all said and done. 

Everyone push over an old lady at the supermarket and yell, "Soup run!"


No, but I listened to her and went ahead and finished paying off my last credit card. I'm now debt free!* **


*Except for student loans.
** This also means I don't own a home, I rent. :/

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« Reply #393 on: September 30, 2008, 12:38:34 AM »
I am going on CNBC tomorrow to let the world know how this financial crisis could hurt the 'bore if Congress doesn't intervene:

1. WDYB threads would dramatically decrease, resulting in the rise of depression in folks who use material goods to fill an emotional void in their lives.

2. We might have to consolidate both Real Talk and Gaming Forum into one Grapes of Wrath-style Internet forum because of the lack of funds to purchase videogames (eventually resulting in the collapse of the industry).

3. In order to pay for bandwidth, we will sell advertising to Campbell soup, thus breaking one of our founding rules of no ad revenue.

4. Forum traffic could decrease as dirty poors like Himuro are forced to use AOL and dial-up companies, thus limiting their post counts.

5. As the Internet and the world slowly deteriorate, the forum will become an un-moderated wasteland of filth and sad messages to people in search of refugee camps.

6. People will care about Home.
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« Reply #394 on: September 30, 2008, 12:39:59 AM »
7. ultimately, we will sell out to the Poster of Last Resort -- phoenixdark -- and the forum will become nothing more than a clearinghouse for big black dick porn.
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #395 on: September 30, 2008, 12:40:14 AM »
I am interested in how SD would divvy up the blame:
Clinton 70%
Greenspan 20%
Bush 10%

Greenspan and the Fed has a huge factor in this as well as they cut interest rates too much to escalate unsustainable growth.  

I don't really care about assigning blame. Its pointless right now as it can't fix the extremely serious shit we are currently in.

The only people who are trying to assign blame are the partisan Obamaniacs who have yet to realize that this crisis has completely fubared any plans he had for his first term.

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« Reply #396 on: September 30, 2008, 12:41:38 AM »
Yeah, really, I see pretty much no other alternative at that point.

The lone bright spot is that Patel actually trademarks 2 GREAT 2 DEPRESSING and asks for residuals in the form of Campbell soup, thus becoming the kingpin of the black market soup trade and true power broker of Ron Paul's United States of Gold.
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« Reply #397 on: September 30, 2008, 12:41:53 AM »
The only people who are trying to assign blame are the partisan Obamaniacs who have yet to realize that this crisis has completely fubared any plans he had for his first term.

oh my

oh my

call the nice folks in white suits, it's all over for sd
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« Reply #398 on: September 30, 2008, 12:42:38 AM »
Yeah, McCain wasn't assigning blame to Obama and the Democrats earl- O WAIT YES HE WAS
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« Reply #399 on: September 30, 2008, 12:44:24 AM »
and americans weren't assigning blame to the victims of this cris- HOLD IT YOU

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« Reply #400 on: September 30, 2008, 12:45:04 AM »
Oh those wacky dirty poors!
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #401 on: September 30, 2008, 12:47:17 AM »
McCain is a secret Obama supporter? :o

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« Reply #402 on: September 30, 2008, 12:48:47 AM »
Oh those wacky dirty poors!

you can't trust 'em with anything nice! they're just in it for the babies, the blow, and the big-screen teevees!
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #403 on: September 30, 2008, 12:51:41 AM »
WELL IF BILL CLINTON HAD NOT PASS THAT BILL TWELVE YEARS AGO WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #404 on: September 30, 2008, 12:55:02 AM »
WELL IF BILL CLINTON HAD NOT PASS THAT BILL TWELVE YEARS AGO WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

OMGZ FUCK CLINTON LOLZ ALL HE DID WAS GET BLOWJOBS AND FUCK THE ECONOMY UP THE ASS WITH A SPIKED DILDO
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« Reply #405 on: September 30, 2008, 12:56:47 AM »
I updated this chart a few days ago. If you use the ~110k post-WWII average, then it shows just how much further the housing market has to correct:

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #406 on: September 30, 2008, 01:02:52 AM »
I don't really care about assigning blame. Its pointless right now as it can't fix the extremely serious shit we are currently in.

The only people who are trying to assign blame are the partisan Obamaniacs who have yet to realize that this crisis has completely fubared any plans he had for his first term.
You come to this thread assigning blame to Clinton and now you don't 'really' care  :lol

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« Reply #407 on: September 30, 2008, 01:14:39 AM »
And how about Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. voting no?

The Jacksons have a history of hating hymietown.  Of course they'd be against a bailout.
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #408 on: September 30, 2008, 01:30:03 AM »
if you DO get to withdraw it in an ill-advised bank run, the cash you withdraw becomes cat box lining when hyperinflation/stagflation suplexes the value of the dollar into the glass table of monetary irrelevance

But (and this isn't me talking, this is my friends logic) wouldn't us paying this bailout off accomplish the same thing though?  Hyperinflation/monetary irrelevance and a worthless dollar?
Some people would want their money to decrease in value by like 35% than to give up 3.5% of it.  It's like if money was shit (which actually has more intrinsic value), you could either compost it or flush it away.

btw, I've heard some people say that this crisis means that they european banks or governments will have to lower the value of the euro in order to keep america's economy from getting a lot worse than it's gonna get.  That's like the perfect way to end this eight year long nightmare.

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #409 on: September 30, 2008, 02:10:33 AM »
I am interested in how SD would divvy up the blame:
Clinton 70%
Greenspan 20%
Bush 10%

Greenspan and the Fed has a huge factor in this as well as they cut interest rates too much to escalate unsustainable growth.  

I don't really care about assigning blame. Its pointless right now as it can't fix the extremely serious shit we are currently in.

The only people who are trying to assign blame are the partisan Obamaniacs who have yet to realize that this crisis has completely fubared any plans he had for his first term.

no no no...AFGHANISTAN and IRAQ have ALREADY fubar'ed his plans for his 1st term. This will take us well into the 2nd.
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #410 on: September 30, 2008, 09:19:19 AM »
If I understand it correctly, the immediate cause for this crisis is a high number of mortgages that were defaulted on, meaning that the banks weren't getting any payments on those loans. However, if I understand it correctly, the reason that so many mortgages defaulted was because the monthly payments doubled because banks were free to increase the interest rates to absurd levels after a certain amount of time had passed.

If this is the case, then I can see why everyone would want to blame the banks. Predatory lending is what really did if, if I understand this correctly. If those mortgages had been required to be set at a fixed interest rate, there probably would have been a fraction of the number of defaults.

It's a lot more complicated than that.

http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/09/economic_disasters_and_stupid.php
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #411 on: September 30, 2008, 10:08:59 AM »
The biggest reason is that a lot of people who could BARELY buy a home or really shouldn't have been able to, got mortgages with low interest rates, but they weren't fixed.  The goal for many was to wait a few years and then refinance with a fixed rate.  However, the housing market completely blew up and when folks went to refinance, they found out their homes weren't worth what they once were whatsoever.  And they were unable to refinance.  So they got stuck with adjustable rate mortgages that skyrocketed and made their mortgage payments to expensive for the income - which had also flat lined at this time.
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #412 on: September 30, 2008, 10:10:11 AM »
If they were variable rate mortgages, the interest rate increases with the rate set by the fed or LIBOR or some other standard. Many of the mortgages were taken out when interest rates were historically very low (sometime after Sept. 11). for example, on a 30 year mortgage with a $200,000 principal: a 3% interest rate has a $10,000 annual payment while 8% requires $17,000 payment annually. That is a significant difference, and what was affordable at a lower rate becomes difficult to pay at a higher rate. As someone else also mentioned, many persons who qualified for prime loans were given sub-prime loans anyways.
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #413 on: September 30, 2008, 10:14:42 AM »
So that Ditech guy was right all along. Those people were marching to their doom.

"Lost another one to Ditech!"


How right you were, old friend. :'(
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #414 on: September 30, 2008, 10:26:21 AM »
The whole mortgage crisis is a mess.

Anyone who just says, "Them dirty poors should have never lived beyond their means in the first place!" has no firm grasp on the situation.  A lot of hard working Americans were able to pay their mortgage and live within the means until their interest rates went up and their property values sunk like Britney Spears' singing career.
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #415 on: September 30, 2008, 10:33:03 AM »
Damn uppity poors.
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siamesedreamer

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #416 on: September 30, 2008, 10:38:38 AM »
You come to this thread assigning blame to Clinton and now you don't 'really' care  :lol

The bill Clinton signed was written by a REP congress.

The only point I was making is that its not cut and dry like Triumph and the nutroots believe - its everybody's fault.

Do I need to post the 2004 Youtube vid of Maxine Waters and other congressional DEMs claiming that Fannie/Freddie were all fine and that criticizing how they were being run was a public "lynching"?

Van Cruncheon

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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #417 on: September 30, 2008, 10:41:43 AM »
so you're assigning blame, you obamaniac, you?
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #418 on: September 30, 2008, 10:54:48 AM »
You come to this thread assigning blame to Clinton and now you don't 'really' care  :lol

The bill Clinton signed was written by a REP congress.

And veto proof!!!!!!!
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Re: Gentlemen, we do NOT have a bailout! Dow plunges -777!
« Reply #419 on: September 30, 2008, 10:56:42 AM »

"We're on an express elevator back to reality!"
Fixed

Can't anyone see how over bloated it was??? Now I can see how the rich doubled their wealth in just 15 years.
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