PREZFIGHT II: This Time, It's Personal (Second Debate Thread)

[MrAngryFace]

FUCK PRIORITIzING AMERICAN PEOPLE STRONG WE DO IT ALL FUK U OBAMA I WANNA WIN ARHGHGH!!!!!!

- Im John McCain and I approve of this message.

[Fresh Prince]

The only good thing to come from that Christian forum linked of GAF.

Obama won mainly because people expected McCain to roll him over plus he got John on a few zingers.

[cool breeze]

Obama got dissed.

[Bloodwake]

"That one" and his comment on Obama's hidden fees were some low blows that were unnecessary.

[TakingBackSunday]

The Daily Show already on fire

THE FUCKTARD UNCDECIDED VOTERS 

[MrAngryFace]

<----- my favorite uhh what quote form the debate.

[tiesto]

The Straight Talk Express trainwrecked so hard, that even Paul Oakenfold laughed.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I think McCain is fucked.  The word coming in from all over except for Faux News is that Obama won this one.  These were supposedly both of McCain's strong points.  Now all he has left the weak domestic policy debate.  Unless that is supposedly McCain's strong point too.

Maybe Obama will gain 2-3 points in the polls but with already being 6-8 points ahead, it is probably too big of a gap for McCain to really close.

[Human Snorenado]

Snap poll results are in:

CBS
Obama 39%
McCain 27%

CNN
Obama 54%
McCain 30%

Even the pundits scorecards on CNN had it overwhelmingly for Obama.

Now.  The big thing that everyone is going to take away from and remember from this debate is the "that one" moment.  It's creepy and weird at best, borderline racist at worst.  People will take it poorly and this is pretty much it for McCain.  GAME OVER, MAN.

[Phoenix Dark]

Obama came in the front runner. Obama left as the front runner. Nothing changed

Horribly set up debate. I thought McCain's performance was better than his previous one but he still came off shrill, out of touch, and weak. Obama looked like a president debating a challenger. I don't think there was any big moment in the debate, and that's what hurts McCain: he needed Obama to fuck up, and Obama didn't fumble.

I thought Obama swept the first debate. This time he merely stiff armed every McCain advance. He was the stronger presence in the room, he gave the clearest answers, he had the best attacks, etc. But I don't think this was some type of decapitating win for Obama

[duckman2000]

Snap poll results are in:

CBS
Obama 39%
McCain 27%

CNN
Obama 54%
McCain 30%

Even the pundits scorecards on CNN had it overwhelmingly for Obama.

Now.  The big thing that everyone is going to take away from and remember from this debate is the "that one" moment.  It's creepy and weird at best, borderline racist at worst.  People will take it poorly and this is pretty much it for McCain.  GAME OVER, MAN.

Yep, not even King could bring himself to score McCain higher than Obama.

I still think it should have been the moderator's job to correct McCain when he said that thing about Obama wanting to attack Pakistan for the second time, right after the first correction.

[The Fake Shemp]

"THAT ONE!"

[Van Cruncheon]

*points, sneering like an old man's death rictus* THAT ONE!

[duckman2000]

His breathing/snorting is pretty nasty.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

thatone.ytmnd.com is still available

[Bocsius]

That, and he was confusing things that Obama just said. Is he deaf?

Let's leave the man's advanced age out of this.

[Human Snorenado]

[Madrun Badrun]

You should take the middle emblem and stretch it out on the top of the big blue circle so that it looks like a fingernail.  Then it will look like a giant pointing finger. 

[Phoenix Dark]

Fineman

"I don't think it was a racial thing at all, I thought "that one" was just McCain acting like an old man"

And I'll agree. The media playing jump to conclusions on this isn't helping anyone

[The Fake Shemp]

The "media" is not insinuating it was a racial comment. I was watching CNN, it was Begala who said the comment was dumb because it could even been infered to have an undercurrent of racism.

Nobody called it racist.

McCain came off as condescending and old.

[MrAngryFace]

Yeah, most of the smart pundits are careful about using the word 'SEEMED' over 'WAS'

[Fragamemnon]

The "that one" comment reeked of comtempt-how dare this whipper-snapper steal my presidency!-rather than anything else. It still speaks leagues to his character, but in a different way than if it was clearly race related.

Given that the Embarracuda is likely to keep her attacks-she's not the kind of person to learn new tricks in the middle of the week without significant coaching-it'll be interesting to see if McCain jumps in directly with the Reverend Rezko Ayers Manchuribama as well, given that they are going to be campaigning together again starting tomorrow. If he does, look for the entire weight of the media and punditry to unload on McCain like a fucking hammer. The real pre-debate story today was the comments from the crowds in the speeches on Monday, where the crowd was clearly stoked into a frenzy of the very worst sort.

[Brehvolution]

I think a lot of people forget that the point of these debates ISNT TO SEE WHO DEBATES BETTER. McCain offers no specifics, which makes the debate utterly useless when it comes to getting to know his position-- aside from being a fear monger.

Came here to post this. McSame had no specifics and thinks we should all just trust him to "change things in Washington." I also can't believe that he can defend his health care plan with a straight face.

Obama

[The Fake Shemp]

You guys are all cynics.  McCain will do it and he knows how to do it, my friends.

[Eric P]

You guys are all cynics.  McCain will do it and he knows how to do it, my friends.

he's just not giving specifics because he's very anti-spoiler

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

It didn't have anything to do with race but it had everything to do with condescending attitude of the Junior Senator from Illinois who dares challenge an experienced but maverick Senior Senator of Arizona.  People bringing up race are missing the point.  Obama can't really comment on his disrespect due to this because it is now tied to race and his attacks on McCain's disrespect will now be tied to using the race card, which is an instant loss.

[Phoenix Dark]

Remember when Obama was the one being hammered by pundrity/voters about his lack of specifics? Seems like the voters are now saying that about McCain but the media hasn't caught on

[Mandark]

Remember when Obama was the one being hammered by pundrity/voters about his lack of specifics? Seems like the voters are now saying that about McCain but the media hasn't caught on

The "no substance" criticism was never really valid.  Obama chose not to make his stump speech into a laundry list of his proposed programs, but he was plenty detailed and informed in interviews, Q&A sessions, his website, and policy-specific speeches (like the one he gave in March on financial regulation).

It was always about optics.  Because he's a relatively new figure to the national press, charismatic, and beloved by young people they pegged him as a talker rather than a doer, as if the two are somehow negatively correlated.  McCain gets a pass because he's old and has been in Washington for so long.

How many of the people criticizing Obama actually spend a lot of time discussing policy themselves?

[TVC15]

You guys are all cynics.  McCain will do it and he knows how to do it, my friends.

Yes, in the grand Republican tradition of Nixon's secret plan to win Vietnam and McCarthy's secret list of communists, there's no way McCain's secret plan to capture bin Laden can fail.

[Phoenix Dark]

I wish Obama would ask him what the secret plan was, and why he hasn't told Bush yet

[Brehvolution]

I wish Obama would ask him what the secret plan was, and why he hasn't told Bush yet

spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's Bush's failed plan

[close]

[Phoenix Dark]

A captured/killed Osama seems like the only thing that could save McCain right now

[Howard Alan Treesong]

A captured/killed Osama seems like the only thing that could save McCain right now

even then at this point I really doubt that Americans would abscribe a captured Bin Laden to Republican ingenuity and tactics

[Bloodwake]

A captured/killed Osama seems like the only thing that could save McCain right now

even then at this point I really doubt that Americans would abscribe a captured Bin Laden to Republican ingenuity and tactics

Yeah. It's sort of how the Bush Administration announced that they were pulling out of Iraq. It really didn't do too much for McCain at all.

[Phoenix Dark]

SOMETHING big has to happen just for McCain to tie things up. Perhaps the only good think that's happened for him in the last 3 weeks was the VP debate. Palin lost but at least she didn't fall on her face. Everything else has been downhill

I'm never going to predict an Obama win but it's not looking good for McCain right now. At all

[MrAngryFace]

closing this down, move talk back to main politic thread