Ninja Gaiden II...I no longer submit to your projectile rape on mentor mode

[Don Flamenco]

Yeah so I hated on this game a whole bunch when it came out and still have a lot of issues with it, but it finally clicked.  I don't know if it's because I'm not playing NGB as much these days or if I just learned how to enjoy it without critiquing every single thing about it, but I can now cut shit up with my level 3 claws and kusami-gara with a smile.  The mission mode DLC is kind of a rip since the first 8 missions on normal last about 20 seconds each, but they are better on the harder difficulties (still, they're cut and pasted fights, not missions.)  Karma multipliers are fun as hell though for the score junky in me...even more power up shmup elements like that would make it completely kick ass.

All in all, Itagaki, even though you sleep on a pile of money and vending machine panties at night, the game ain't half bad.

[MCD]

welcome back son.

[drew]

[Don Flamenco]

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[Smooth Groove]

I will beat this someday!

*shakes fist at Demi*

[Jansen]

itagaki will save us from qte shitfests like bayonetta. just give him time.

btw congrats on finally bowing down to the current champion of action games.

[Don Flamenco]

itagaki will save us from qte shitfests like bayonetta. just give him time.

btw congrats on finally bowing down to the current champion of action games.

whoa whoa whoa, i never used the word "champion"   

Bayonetta has qtes?  wtf Kamiya? it'll still rock...i hope.

[brawndolicious]

I love the Kusari-gama.  It took me a while to get used to since it's only for short and long range.  I'm still shit with the claws.

Smooth, what difficulty are you playing it on?

[Don Flamenco]

Ninja Gaiden II is to Ninja Gaiden as Dead or Alive 3 and 4 are to Dead or Alive 2.

That is: the core gameplay is pretty similar, and it's a bit faster, and you have more options, but everything seems less controlled and precise and more random. Through all the movement and the combat, I never felt like I was in control the same way I did in the first one.

Yeah, mashing is pretty rewarded with certain weapons actually, since the fights are so insane.  Find a combo that takes off limbs > mash it ftw > clean up with OTs.  The only enemies that seem to take real skill are those giant dinosaur robots with the huge knives.  The part where you fight 3 of them with rockets coming at you is nuts!  So much fun.  The trial with them is pretty good too.  Also, fighting werewolves with the kusari-gara is fun as hell.

[Don Flamenco]

On the other hand, there's nothing quite like the satisfaction you get when you reduce an enemy group's numbers from eight to four in a matter of seconds by lopping off a few limbs, then finishing off all your wounded opponents in rapid succession.

Kusari-gama level 3, full UT = room full of dudes missing limbs

[ch1nchilla]

I didn't think it was too bad, I just thought it aesthetically sucked ass and that the camera needed work. Other than that, it's not tooo bad...

[Don Flamenco]

I babysit the camera really well since it's the same as NG1's...of course, that doesn't help where there are so many enemies and projectiles on screen that you have to rely on instinct/mashing.

[ch1nchilla]

Did anyone else feel a Mortal Kombat vibe from the art?

[Don Flamenco]

man, they kinda nerfed the chapter 10 stairwell. I liked it when there was 100 ninjas right there to chop through.  Now it's like they want you to actually use skill on the part and the slowdown looks more on accident (as opposed to that sweet slow-mo gorefest.)

Got up to chapter 12 and still loving it.  The game lacks all the subtlety of NG1, which is a shame, but it's still fun.  Love how every boss that stands on 2 legs can be killed in a second using X,X,Y with a level 3 lunar.    

[Don Flamenco]

That final boss gauntlet sucked shit!    

Game was a piece of cake up until the last form of the last boss.  No healing items left ftl

[Don Flamenco]

fuck this shit! Back to NG Black    

I didn't think the projectiles were bad on Warrior, but Mentor is another story.  really lazy way to add difficulty to the game. gg itagaki

[Draft]

Yup. Really sucks, but Mentor and Master are both broken. The extra difficulty is almost all from ridiculous off screen projectile spam. So disappointing.

[Don Flamenco]

I suffered through the second spider monster ninja fight with IS ninjas, then stopped at Genshin. 

It's a shame cause I had finally gotten in to the game (initially shunned it) and was ready to take on both M and MN.

[demi]

I made it to Level 3 i think on Mentor mode

Then I got lazy again and shelved it

[y2kev]

devil may cry 4

[Don Flamenco]

devil may cry 4

that game was a disappointment too, just not as big of a disappointment.

In Bayonetta we trust? 

[demi]

sounds like we got a weaksauce on our hands

right click > ignore

[Don Flamenco]

don't get me wrong, I played the hell out of dmc4.  I just want something that'll give the everlasting satisfaction that NG Black and DMC3:SE provided. 

[y2kev]

right click > ignore

[drew]

fuck this shit! Back to NG Black    

I didn't think the projectiles were bad on Warrior, but Mentor is another story.  really lazy way to add difficulty to the game. gg itagaki

told u

[Himu]

DMC4 sucks

in NG2 we trust

[y2kev]

demi, do your duty

[Greatness Gone]

Bayonetta > DMC3 > DMC1 > DMC4 > DMC2 > NG1 > NG DS > Barbie DS > Ninja Blade > NG2

[cool breeze]

Ninja Blade looks terrible

[y2kev]

Bayonetta > DMC3 > DMC1 > DMC4 > DMC2 > NG1 > NG DS > Barbie DS > Ninja Blade > NG2

barbie ds

[Greatness Gone]

REVOLVER HEELS MOTHERFUCKERS



GOTF 2009

[Don Flamenco]

fuck this shit! Back to NG Black    

I didn't think the projectiles were bad on Warrior, but Mentor is another story.  really lazy way to add difficulty to the game. gg itagaki

told u

you were right

y2kev is in denial.  hardcore action games suck this gen.  KAMIYA SAVE US.  RANDOM WHITE DUDE MAKING GOW3 SAVE US!

jk, distinguished white devs can't make action games.

[drew]

y2kev is in denial.

he is nubcakes that watches the 1UP Show

dmc4 isnt hardcore enuff, more combos please

[y2kev]

I know DMC4 isn't great. The whole game part of it blows. But I think the combat was actually refined and made better over DMC3 (not dante tho) while I think NG2 is wholly unsatisfying and cheap. And it doesn't fix any of the other issues that people actually had with NG1 either...and it fucks up a bunch of other things in the process, like ridiculous technical problems, horrible bosses, and a framerate that should make Itagaki cry in way too many places.

[Jansen]

dmc4 doesn't suck but it isn't as good as NGII and it's such a far cry from the pinnacle of the series (dmc3) that it's damn near depressing

btw kamiya can take his qte's and shove them up his ass. i would be looking forward to bayonetta if they had not been mentioned

itagaki will return and deliver a pure action game that will destroy everything else. then you will finally see his brilliance as i have and prostrate before his games



believe in The Itagaki heathens.

[drohne]

then you will finally see his brilliance as i have and prostate before his games

well at least you're frank about the homoerotic motive that tends to underlie itagaki fandom

[cool breeze]

Itagaki will return and show off his second great game can't wait!

DMC4 and NG2 are both fine games.  NG2s weak point was that the actual core of the gameplay was awesome, but you were fighting lame enemies, forced to use the shitty bow, and had to deal with some of the worst bosses ever.  DMC4 had really weird pacing and fighting bosses 3 times was boring.  The point where you switch form Nero to Dante is so weird, it's like you're so familiar with Nero that Dante seems like shit, then you slowly realize that Nero was actually a piece of shit and after you became amazing with Dante, they brought back Nero...AND FUCK THAT DICE GAME

Action games this gen are pretty so-so so far.  Ninja Blade seems to lower the bar waaay down, even lower than what Genji 2 set (or Heavenly Sword if you don't consider Genji/Onimusha style games action games)

[Jansen]

look at that face. how could i not masturbate while gazing at its beauty

[y2kev]

prostate 

[Jansen]

prostate exams are no laughing matter!

[Don Flamenco]

Every humanoid boss in NG2 goes down in 4 combos with Level 2 or 3 Lunar and the X,X,Y combo Would've worked in mentor if it weren't for those pesky IS ninjas.  Played some Black earlier today and kept getting my ass kicked. ON FUCKING NORMAL.  Earlier this year I could beat normal with hardly any potions/lives of the thousand gods...I'm ranked like 778 on that mode.  NGII made me soft.

DMC4 does have great core gameplay thankfully, so the bloody palace and Legendary Dark Knight mode are hot  If you guys ever get a PC that can run the game, it's worth buying the game for LDK and turbo mode alone.

Itagaki's revisionist WWII Japanese warplane game better make up for NGII. 

[brawndolicious]

NG2 was fun.  The only problem I think was that the dismemberment system made some weapons unbalanced against certain enemies.

[Don Flamenco]

NG2 was fun.  The only problem I think was that the dismemberment system made some weapons unbalanced against certain enemies.

true.  Scythe > all enemies. Lunar > all enemies.  Kusari-gama made wolves and ninjas pretty simple.  Dragon Sword was pretty balanced, besides the double and triple flying swallows that took off heads like nothing.

[drew]

the lunar was totally noobed out

and made too powerful

[drew]

also the quick short range weapons were turned into button mashers

tonfa are ass.  ass.

[Don Flamenco]

everything was mashy.  you had to mash to survive the more hectic encounters. 

also broken in the limb system, your own incendiary shurikens are a near 100% guarantee of removing a limb = most enemies dead in 2 hits. 

[demi]

Hey how's Mentor treating you, champ?

[Don Flamenco]

lol, traded the game in today.  now it's just a general "whats busted in NGII" thread.

[Draft]

The tonfas are actually pretty cool in that they have this roll move that allows you to cancel out of most combos. So if you have a hard on for that DMC hey look I can do the same 3 moves 100 times in a row combo system, have at it.

[MCD]

ITT ninja dogs.

[drew]

The tonfas are actually pretty cool in that they have this roll move that allows you to cancel out of most combos. So if you have a hard on for that DMC hey look I can do the same 3 moves 100 times in a row combo system, have at it.

yeah but i just wish the combos were deeper than variations of xxxxxxxxxxxxy/xyxxxx...etc etc

[Madrun Badrun]

NG2 sucked soooooo hard. 

[Draft]

The tonfas are actually pretty cool in that they have this roll move that allows you to cancel out of most combos. So if you have a hard on for that DMC hey look I can do the same 3 moves 100 times in a row combo system, have at it.

yeah but i just wish the combos were deeper than variations of xxxxxxxxxxxxy/xyxxxx...etc etc

Eh. That's what a combo is. Specific input, specific action. Depth happens outside a combo system, in the back and forth between the player and the enemy. That's what Ninja Gaiden used to be about. Now it's about red motherfuckers with claws on their hands who throw eighteen exploding shuriken at a time.

[drew]

That's what Ninja Gaiden used to be about. Now it's about 20-30 red motherfuckers with claws on their hands who throw eighteen exploding shuriken at a time.

fixed

mash your way through halls of meat®™

[Don Flamenco]

the tonfas do smash limbs like nothing.  Pretty cool, though fundamentally not safe since they have no range and few invincible frames. 

ITT ninja dogs.

smh.  i'm an itagaki fan, but dude phoned it in and said "where's mah doa4 bonus, bitch?"   that much is obvious in the harder difficulties in the game.  the missions are kinda weak too.

[MCD]

shut up ninja dog!

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i'm just messing with ya

[close]

[drew]

back and forth between the player and the enemy

precisely why NG2 fails as a ninja gaiden game imo

[Jansen]

fucking pussies. you blasphemers will be the first against the wall

[drew]

notice how the only people defending ng2 have anime avatars

food for thought

[Madrun Badrun]