NPD TIME!

[cool breeze]

The "Friends Only" tag?

I hope so, that would solve every mature content/copyright problem in one fell swoop

No, I meant the image importing.

[Eel O'Brian]

nah, i think it was something they were working on and planned for, but all this copyright hooha would just make it a nightmare to police

they need to add that "Friends Only" tag, and add it quick, to make everyone happy

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Year of the PS3 triumphantly marches on.  I also like the growing consensus in the GAF thread where 2009 is the real year of the PS3.

Wii Music - 81K

Fucking awesome

[Kestastrophe]

Holy shit this is bringing out all kinds of awesome on GAF

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13616555&postcount=482

Yup, you read that right. The first "WAIT UNTIL 2009" I've seen from the Sony faithful. IT BEGINS....as they say

[duckman2000]

Year of the PS3 triumphantly marches on.  I also like the growing consensus in the GAF thread where 2009 is the real year of the PS3.

To be fair, Sony's only certain mainstream hit releases in 2009. But yeah, it's becoming message board slapstick.

[cool breeze]

Holy shit this is bringing out all kinds of awesome on GAF

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13616555&postcount=482

Yup, you read that right. The first "WAIT UNTIL 2009" I've seen from the Sony faithful. IT BEGINS....as they say

If you want bad, check out the guy who has a list of games for 2009 -- a list with only one confirmed 2009 and 'secret PS3 game' on it.

didn't LBP officially miss its October release?

even so jinfash am cry

October 24st is when myself and others who preordered at Gamestop got it, October 28th is when it launched everywhere.

[Phoenix Dark]

Year of the PS3 triumphantly marches on.  I also like the growing consensus in the GAF thread where 2009 is the real year of the PS3.

To be fair, Sony's only certain mainstream hit releases in 2009.

[duckman2000]

Year of the PS3 triumphantly marches on.  I also like the growing consensus in the GAF thread where 2009 is the real year of the PS3.

To be fair, Sony's only certain mainstream hit releases in 2009.

Just stick to discussions that revolve around virginity and male pornstars, dude.

[Brehvolution]

There is no waiting game. Who cares if the game you bought and like sold 10 copies or 10M, you still only bought 1.

[AdmiralViscen]

So how much is KZ2 gonna sell first month duckman?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

as fun as it is to see Rock Band 2 beat Guitar Hero World Tour - and it's so fun

the real money is in the DLC

where I'm sure it's a 20-to-1 drubbing

[WrikaWrek]

Year of the PS3 triumphantly marches on.  I also like the growing consensus in the GAF thread where 2009 is the real year of the PS3.

To be fair, Sony's only certain mainstream hit releases in 2009. But yeah, it's becoming message board slapstick.

 

[cool breeze]

Being realistic here, the PS3 has been dying for a while now.  It still will have great games here or there, but it will never see huge sales here or Japan.  Maybe Europe, but that's Europe.

[duckman2000]

There is no waiting game. Who cares if the game you bought and like sold 10 copies or 10M, you still only bought 1.

It's not like Sony isn't releasing games. MotorStorm 2, R2, and LBP all in the past few weeks. That's not bad. I'm not even sure what "wait for" means these days. Wait for something to happen that causes Sony to rocket past the competition straight to the top? That's not going to happen. They will have a huge hit with Killzone 2, but that's not going to cause any radical changes to hardware sales.

So how much is KZ2 gonna sell first month duckman?

A lot, at least for a PS3 game. Killzone 2 is going to be big. It's perfectly marketable, and has the look, production values and game quality to match the hype (well, MP does).

[Oblivion]

What does the word 'mainstream' mean again?

[AdmiralViscen]

So how much is KZ2 gonna sell first month duckman?

A lot, at least for a PS3 game. Killzone 2 is going to be big. It's perfectly marketable, and has the look, production values and game quality to match the hype (well, MP does).

So 400k and then out of the top 10?

[TVC15]

as fun as it is to see Rock Band 2 beat Guitar Hero World Tour - and it's so fun

the real money is in the DLC

where I'm sure it's a 20-to-1 drubbing

Those Rock Band numbers were LTD, so they include the month where it was 360 exclusive.  GHWT *did* outsell Rock Band 2 in october.
And in the month it was exclusive it sold:

360 ROCK BAND 2 MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS Sep-08 3 363K

[duckman2000]

What does the word 'mainstream' mean again?

Not the shitstream of dumbasses that Nintendo is catering to and capitalizing on, if that's what you're wondering. That's a whole different market right there.

Poor Nintendo core fans. In the time of success, they are left behind to rot.

So 400k and then out of the top 10?

Don't make yourself look too silly now, dude.

[Bildi]

Nice to see Dead Space making an appearance.

To be fair, Sony's only certain mainstream hit releases in 2009.

What's that

Edit, Killzone 2, got it.

[AdmiralViscen]

So 400k and then out of the top 10?

Don't make yourself look too silly now, dude.

Am I too high or too low? That'd give it the second-best first month sales of any PS3 exclusive, behind MGS4 - you know, the last game that was perfectly marketable, and had the look, production values and game quality to match the hype, plus a built in fanbase.

What were the first month sales of the last game with stunning graphics and tons of critical appeal that ripped off a popular new game's gameplay and released in November? 70k?

[fistfulofmetal]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342029

laff

[cool breeze]

The biggest reason why Killzone 2 probably won't sell that well is because Sony can't market anything properly.

Did you see the new holiday PS3 ads? the average person is too dumb to notice the subtle Motorstorm PR clip in the bottom left corner playing in a puddle of water.  What the hell were they thinking? Their marketing has almost become a parody of it self at this point.

[Oblivion]

What does the word 'mainstream' mean again?

Not the shitstream of dumbasses that Nintendo is catering to and capitalizing on, if that's what you're wondering. That's a whole different market right there.

Poor Nintendo core fans. In the time of success, they are left behind to rot.

So it's a separate demographic of dumbasses?  

But srsly. People like to throw buzzwords like that around, but unless it sells a significant chunk (most would like to think Halo levels at least), it wouldn't classify under that umbrella.

[duckman2000]

So 400k and then out of the top 10?

Don't make yourself look too silly now, dude.

Am I too high or too low? That'd give it the second-best first month sales of any PS3 exclusive, behind MGS4 - you know, the last game that was perfectly marketable, and had the look, production values and game quality to match the hype, plus a built in fanbase.

What were the first month sales of the last game with stunning graphics and tons of critical appeal that ripped off a popular new game's gameplay and released in November? 70k?

MGS is nowhere near as marketable as Killzone 2, though. It had a fanbase, but that also meant that it had a base of people who would hesitate to play any MGS. It was also nowhere near as striking looking as this, nor was it in as popular of a genre.

The only way that Killzone 2 could be stopped from becoming one of the bigger success stories of this generation would be if Sony completely dropped the ball on marketing, and they would have to actively try to sabotage that in order to fuck it up. If anything, I'd almost bet on that the shitty marketing surrounding other recent games is a direct result of them saving it up for the big one, aka Killzone 2. We'll see, but it's a few cuts above anything else on the system, not least in marketability.

And what's this about some game ripping off another game's gameplay? Which games are you talking about here, and how does Killzone 2 fit into the argument.

The biggest reason why Killzone 2 probably won't sell that well is because Sony can't market anything properly.

They will market this one. They already did it well with Killzone, and that was with a barely functioning product to push. The game damned near markets itself.

[WrikaWrek]

Easy on the cigarillo, he's only 14.

[AdmiralViscen]

So 400k and then out of the top 10?

Don't make yourself look too silly now, dude.

Am I too high or too low? That'd give it the second-best first month sales of any PS3 exclusive, behind MGS4 - you know, the last game that was perfectly marketable, and had the look, production values and game quality to match the hype, plus a built in fanbase.

What were the first month sales of the last game with stunning graphics and tons of critical appeal that ripped off a popular new game's gameplay and released in November? 70k?

MGS is nowhere near as marketable as Killzone 2, though. It had a fanbase, but that also meant that it had a base of people who would hesitate to play any MGS. The only way that Killzone 2 could be stopped from becoming one of the bigger success stories of this generation would be if Sony completely dropped the ball on marketing, and they would have to actively try to sabotage that in order to fuck it up. If anything, I'd almost bet on that the shitty marketing surrounding other recent games is a direct result of them saving it up for the big one, aka Killzone 2. We'll see, but it's a few cuts above anything else on the system, not least in marketability.

And what's this about some game ripping off another game's gameplay? Which games are you talking about here, and how does Killzone 2 fit into the argument.

Yea, Sony has no chance of completely dropping the ball on marketing 

Still waiting for a first month sales prediction. 5x Uncharted sounds pretty fair for a release in the worst sales period of the year.

Gears -> Uncharted, CoD4 -> Killzone 2

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

After playing through LBP it's kind of baffling that anyone would've thought that this game could be the one that would attract a larger audience to the PS3.  Even with it's appealing design, it's decidedly a hardcore/niche experience.

[duckman2000]

What could derail Killzone 2 is the fact that nobody owns a ps3, and Sony is trying to cash in on last gen gameplay.

Trolling on cruise control again.

[AdmiralViscen]

What could derail Killzone 2 is the fact that nobody owns a ps3, and Sony is trying to cash in on last gen gameplay.

Trolling on cruise control again.

That's why Cohen rocks

[Crushed]

home

[duckman2000]

Is that still coming out?

[cool breeze]

secret ps3 game

[duckman2000]

Alright, what is that all about?

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Yeah, what the fuck is going on with Home nowadays?  I want to get in on some of this Warhawk strategery talk in the "war room".  

"I'm going to fly here and shoot."

"Good plan."

Ahhh.

[Eel O'Brian]

After playing through LBP it's kind of baffling that anyone would've thought that this game could be the one that would attract a larger audience to the PS3.  Even with it's appealing design, it's decidedly a hardcore/niche experience.

yeah, it gets pretty hard and frustrating in later levels, and there are over an hour's worth of tutorials to sit through in the creation mode

i don't see a little kid, or a Mom, or a grandparent going through all that

[Eel O'Brian]

i hope home never comes out, i can see the server meltdowns and bricked consoles coming from a mile away

[cool breeze]

Alright, what is that all about?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13616717&postcount=557

+ Final Fantasy Versus
+ Uncharted 2
+ TRICO
+ 'Secret PS3 game'
+ Sony Liverpool's game
+ inFAMOUS

They've got PLENTY of games lined up

[Eel O'Brian]

Alright, what is that all about?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13616717&postcount=557

+ Final Fantasy Versus
+ Uncharted 2
+ TRICO
+ 'Secret PS3 game'
+ Sony Liverpool's game
+ inFAMOUS

They've got PLENTY of games lined up

i would say people need to stop and think about what they just wrote before hitting that "post" button, but that would deprive the gaming world of some sublime unintentional comedy

[Oblivion]

What could derail Killzone 2 is the fact that nobody owns a ps3, and Sony is trying to cash in on last gen gameplay.

I'll never understand why some people think that it's reasonable to think that a sequel to a game that did pretty good on a 100 million userbase would have no problem matching or even surpassing that on a userbase that's less than 1/5th the size.

[duckman2000]

The two player mode is actually really helpful when playing with the kid. Makes it easier to get her to jump and run in the right direction, and it resets her character at the checkpoints so she doesn't have to deal with all the obstacles. On her own, though? She wouldn't get anywhere.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Still waiting on an alternative KZ2 first month estimate

[Eel O'Brian]

i'll buy it, so there's one

[AdmiralViscen]

I make 2.

[duckman2000]

Still waiting on an alternative KZ2 first month estimate

I don't do numbers. Massive, is all I'll estimate. I'd say Gears 1 level, but I don't have that much confidence in PS3 owners. Hardware sales impact? Minimal. If Sony for some inexplicable reason screws up marketing, then who the hell knows. But I don't think that will happen, regardless of how bad they have screwed up previously.

[MrAngryFace]

Heres what I think November's will look like:


Gears of War 2 - 2.5 Million
Lich King - 2 Million
Call of Duty 5(360) - 1 Million(maybe closer to 2 Million)
Fable II - 500k
Fallout 3(360) - 400k
Wii Fit - 350k
Mario Kart Wii - 250k
Call of Duty 5(PS3) - 250k
Banjo 3 - 200k
Little Big Planet - 150k


Really though, I have no clue what it'll look like. I'm going to say that Banjo beats LBP though.

haha what? Lich King has like 11 million subscribers. I know you like Gears of War 2 but lets be real.

[AdmiralViscen]

Still waiting on an alternative KZ2 first month estimate

I don't do numbers. Massive, is all I'll estimate. I'd say Gears 1 level, but I don't have that much confidence in PS3 owners. Hardware sales impact? Minimal. If Sony for some inexplicable reason screws up marketing, then who the hell knows. But I don't think that will happen, regardless of how bad they have screwed up previously.

So over 1 million units in February.

Don't make yourself look too silly now, dude.

[duckman2000]

We'll see. Like I said, my confidence in PS3 owners isn't great, but the game has far too much going for it to fail.

[Oblivion]

Still waiting on an alternative KZ2 first month estimate

I don't do numbers. Massive, is all I'll estimate. I'd say Gears 1 level, but I don't have that much confidence in PS3 owners.

Read above. You expect more than twice the sales on a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller userbase?

[Eel O'Brian]

i think it will sell pretty well, though

i know i am starved for a ps3 game

[duckman2000]

Still waiting on an alternative KZ2 first month estimate

I don't do numbers. Massive, is all I'll estimate. I'd say Gears 1 level, but I don't have that much confidence in PS3 owners.

Read above. You expect more than twice the sales on a SIGNIFICANTLY smaller userbase?

Sure. Marketing campaign limited to print media due to the actual running game being barely functional vs marketing of one of the most striking looking and sounding games of this generation, to an audience that has already been conditioned to accept shooters and with less competition of any sort, really. It'll be big.

[AdmiralViscen]

Well, PS3 will be at or above where 360 was when Gears 1 came out. But, SPRING RELEASE, userbase that doesn't buy shit

at that last post

[duckman2000]

Seriously, even a barely trained monkey should be able to market this one into a screaming success.

[Kestastrophe]

I will be getting a PS3 for Killzone 2, even though I detest the dualshock for shooters

[AdmiralViscen]

Seriously, even a barely trained monkey should be able to market this one into a screaming success.

400k is a screaming success for a barely known franchise releasing in Spring on PS3. Or even, any game releasing on PS3.

[duckman2000]

Well, I expect it to do better than that. I may be wrong, but we'll see. In contrast, I expect Infamous to bomb in a way that makes Ratchet TOD look like a runaway hit. It will deserve to sell like mad, but it won't.

[Bebpo]

Surprised so many games did relatively poor (<200k).  Publishers see this and yet they'll still be stupid and release everything in Oct/Nov again next year.  smh

Next matter at hand:  After Mirror's Edge bombs is EA going to stop being awesome and making creative original games?  Dead Space should've been pretty mainstream and done 500k+, Mirror's Edge will do considerably worse than DS most likely.  

I hope SR2 sells enough to make it profitable to keep the series going.  GTA needs the competition to improve itself.

Also what happened to Fallout 3?  I know it was only on the charts for a few days, but wtf was that PR that it shipped 4 million copies if those were the first day numbers?  Are they just stuffing the channels in hope that it'll sell that many?

[y2kev]

I don't think size of userbase matters as much as userbase demographic (see: wii).

I'd say KZ2 would do better than KZ1 but PS3 owners don't seem very interested in games tbh.

[drew]

 :sp0rsk1

spoiler (click to show/hide)

GET THIS THREAD OFF MY EB'S

[close]

[AdmiralViscen]

Surprised so many games did relatively poor (<200k).  Publishers see this and yet they'll still be stupid and release everything in Oct/Nov again next year.  smh

Next matter at hand:  After Mirror's Edge bombs is EA going to stop being awesome and making creative original games?  Dead Space should've been pretty mainstream and done 500k+, Mirror's Edge will do considerably worse than DS most likely. 

I hope SR2 sells enough to make it profitable to keep the series going.  GTA needs the competition to improve itself.

Also what happened to Fallout 3?  I know it was only on the charts for a few days, but wtf was that PR that it shipped 4 million copies if those were the first day numbers?  Are they just stuffing the channels in hope that it'll sell that many?

Demo, Demo, Demo

Dead Space coulda been this year's Bioshock if it had a demo.