12 Killzone 2 videos: thread dedicated to duckman

[duckman2000]

Oh, were you talking about CoD4?

Yeah. Killzone 2 definitely has rumble.

[AdmiralViscen]

When is this game coming out? I should have got R2 day one because now that I'm waiting for Christmas I'm going to wind up playing it for 2 months before throwing it away.

[MrAngryFace]

It's more like "no dude, you're wrong, this chick is the hottest because she's got the biggest boobs!"

So you would fuck your ps3? Not news to any of us.

[WrikaWrek]

It's more like "no dude, you're wrong, this chick is the hottest because she's got the biggest boobs!"

What?

ahahahahaha

Shittiest analogy ever.

More like saying Adriana Lima looks better Kirsten Dunst. And even that doesn't work. Let's just stick to games, it's basically the same as saying that Riddick butcher bay, looks better than Killzone.

And if you say otherwise, then you are a blind dumbass.

[AdmiralViscen]

Halo 3 looks better than any PS3 game released this year.

[MrAngryFace]

Falling back on the argument of taste is a very SAD way to pull out of an embarassing debate.

[MrAngryFace]

Halo 3 looks better than any PS3 game released this year.

Thats the best imitation of Duckman2000 ever!

[y2kev]

halo 3 has better graphics than unfarted

[duckman2000]

Falling back on the argument of taste is a very SAD way to pull out of an embarassing debate.

Beats being distinguished mentally-challenged enough to question it.    I find Far Cry 2 to be a more attractive game. Oh no u r wrong distinguished mentally-challenged fellow it not. Hell, you idiots could have assumed that I like savannas more than I like island environments, but no.

[MrAngryFace]

Congrats on producing a worthless discussion then.

[duckman2000]

Most amazing is that it even produced a discussion. 

[AdmiralViscen]

PGR3 looks better than Wipeout HD

[duckman2000]

You have poor taste

[Tieno]

I completely disagree. Halo has a completely different sort of level design even, than COD 4 and KZ2. But COD4 and KZ2 share a lot in common.

Maybe if you were talking about Halo 1, but Halo 3 felt pretty linear to me; there were separate little chokepoints and a few could be approached by preference, but generally it was some pretty basic FPS gaming, with the possible exception being the Scarab fights. Not "scripted," but absolutely strictly predetermined by a solid map layout, with enemies here, there, and a hunter appearing there once you get past a certain point. COD4 funneled you along a remarkably linear path in claustrophobic environments, giving you very few options other than "go straight in and shoot stuff." Perhaps Killzone 2 exists somewhere between the two, but I'd say it looks to be closer to Halo 3. I haven't watched all the clips though, but the sniper video looks like it could be a Halo 3 choke point.

Maybe comparing it to Rainbow Six Vegas works better. COD4, I'm not seeing it.

A few of the Halo 3 levels were designed with different (meaningful) paths/lines. the 2nd level Rats Nest (or is it Crow's Nest, the grey one and one of the reasons it's such a great level to me) and Cortana (asshole level) come to mind, where it definately impacted the tacticts of the battle you encountered, especially on Heroic and even more so on legendary. It's not open world, or branching stuff like in one Halo 1 level, but it's a kind of freedom I really like in a level-based game.

[duckman2000]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's devoid of any of the sort, just that the actual battle scenarios are pretty tightly distributed and controlled. The vehicles do add something to that, but mostly you're lead from one pocket of enemies to the next, a bit like what I've seen of KZ2 so far. Nothing wrong with that at all, but I sometimes feel that people are still referring to the Halo 1 design, despite Halo 3 not having much of that.

I do hope they have something of the Scarab sort in there, a bigger enemy with some choice in how to take it down.

[AdmiralViscen]

It was the more linear design that allowed them to give birth to graphics that stand the test of time

[duckman2000]

It was the more linear design that allowed them to give birth to graphics that stand the test of time

Are you expecting an argument out of this? I thought Halo 3 had some pretty incredible looking stuff, more than enough to make up for the shitty looking gun models and rhinorillas.

[AdmiralViscen]

I don't know where I'm going with this lol

[Eel O'Brian]

everybody always talks about how pretty crysis (crisys?  crisis?  oh, who gives a fuck) is, but i can't recall a single post about whether it's a good game

[duckman2000]

everybody always talks about how pretty crysis (crisys?  crisis?  oh, who gives a fuck) is, but i can't recall a single post about whether it's a good game

Actually, I thought it was a great game first and foremost. Graphics quality was nice, but it was a pain to get it there, and at some points I had to dial it down in order to deal with intense battles. The gameplay, however, was pretty crazy awesome. Unsurprisingly, the scenes that were less interesting were the ones where the game forced you to take a particular route, or use a specific means of travel.

There is one defining level, where you start off in a tank and are tasked with taking out various hardpoints between the starting point and the level end. Of course, you can also ditch the tank and use your nanosuit powers and combat wits to complete the objectives. That was pretty awesome.

[cool breeze]

what the fuck happened to this thread?

it went from KZ2 looks awesome, to Crysis looks better than KZ2 (truth), then people are talking about Halo 3

[Eel O'Brian]

everybody always talks about how pretty crysis (crisys?  crisis?  oh, who gives a fuck) is, but i can't recall a single post about whether it's a good game

Actually, I thought it was a great game first and foremost. Graphics quality was nice, but it was a pain to get it there, and at some points I had to dial it down in order to deal with intense battles. The gameplay, however, was pretty crazy awesome. Unsurprisingly, the scenes that were less interesting were the ones where the game forced you to take a particular route, or use a specific means of travel.

There is one defining level, where you start off in a tank and are tasked with taking out various hardpoints between the starting point and the level end. Of course, you can also ditch the tank and use your nanosuit powers and combat wits to complete the objectives. That was pretty awesome.

that sounds pretty cool, i'll definitely check it out when i upgrade my pc next year

[cool breeze]

everybody always talks about how pretty crysis (crisys?  crisis?  oh, who gives a fuck) is, but i can't recall a single post about whether it's a good game

It's a amazing game.  I first played it on my old PC with everything on low and it was still a blast to play.

I think both KZ2 and Crysis make people think that gorgeous games can't play awesome as well, but so far one of those has proven them wrong and the other looks to.

[duckman2000]

I think both KZ2 and Crysis make people think that gorgeous games can't play awesome as well, but so far one of those has proven them wrong and the other looks to.

I blame Gran Turismo

[Tieno]

You saw the same thing in the lead up to the first Gears of War. Certain people were saying it was all about the graphics, KZ2 does have the infamy of KZ1 (which I didn't play).

[cool breeze]

I didn't play Killzone 1 because I attempted to and realized it was borderline unplayable.  Killzone Liberation on the PSP is really awesome tho.

[MrAngryFace]

Crysis is an above average FPS, also very pretty. Definitely a better game than Killzone 1 in all respects and until KZ2 is out, we can say its better than the Killzone series.

[Kestastrophe]

Crysis is an awesome game. Very average story, but everything else is top notch.

[Brehvolution]

what the fuck happened to this thread?

it went from KZ2 looks awesome, to Crysis looks better than KZ2 (truth), then people are talking about Halo 3

This is the same thing that happened in a few threads on this page.

[y2kev]

1up is really trying to make a name for itself 

[cool breeze]

I saw that video but couldn't understand a single thing that guy said.  I think the person who wrote the script had a broken space bar.

[duckman2000]

Alright, fine. For once in my life I was wrong, Crysis smokes Far Cry 2. Just replayed Paradise Lost and Assault.

1up is really trying to make a name for itself 

Is there any chance of you being able to relay what was said without it sending me into another 'murder the critics' bender?

[cool breeze]

"Bosses in Resistance 2 are better than those in Killzone 2.  Btw, I haven't seen any bosses in KZ2 yet"

[duckman2000]

I don't get it

[drohne]

at this rate microsoft is going to have more community managers than development studios

[duckman2000]

I still don't get it. Why are they comparing it to Resistance 2?

[cool breeze]

http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/22868

personally I had no idea what he was saying and was only reading the script from gaf

[AdmiralViscen]

Who's talking about Microsoft in here that's not joking? I was joking.

[drohne]

i was just telling the old 1up joke

[y2kev]

"KZ1 is better"

drohne: I made the same joke on gaf but edited it out...I kind of feel for these people. they are all going to be out of work in like a year and they have absolutely no marketable skills

[AdmiralViscen]

Oh, I don't know what goes on at 1up

[cool breeze]

"KZ1 is better"

drohne: I made the same joke on gaf but edited it out...I kind of feel for these people. they are all going to be out of work in like a year and they have absolutely no marketable skills

I would say you're being harsh if that wasn't too true.

and just on about the guy from the kz2 video, I honestly don't think he has any real place there doing that job.  It's so weird whenever he talks about a game because it's as if he's confused about everything about that game.  Go watch the Dead Space segment.

http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/22140

[duckman2000]

You know, watching the Dead Space bit, I don't think it's so much a problem with the games, but rather a problem with the "experts" really just being a bunch of jaded, hateful, burned out old prima donnas of the nerd variety. And I know a lot about being a hateful person.

[Purple Filth]

You know, watching the Dead Space bit, I don't think it's so much a problem with the games, but rather a problem with the "experts" really just being a bunch of jaded, hateful, burned out old prima donnas of the nerd variety. And I know a lot about being a hateful person.

Yea i see why you picked duckman as your username.


never taken reviewers seriously and i will just play it my self and be the judge.

On topic the game looks hot looking forward to playing it one day.

[duckman2000]

Speaking of hot, that flamethrower is borderline disturbing.

[Purple Filth]

Speaking of hot, that flamethrower is borderline disturbing.

I'm assuming your talking when he burned the dude and he was screaming and trying to out the fire.

If so then yes it was.

[y2kev]

I think he's talking about the ways in which it looks like urine

[duckman2000]

I think he's talking about the ways in which it looks like urine

Well, no. What? I hadn't even thought of that. But I'm sure I will from here on, so thank you.

I like that it's more of a liquid base than your common game blowtorch, but it doesn't seem like it operates at very high pressure. I assume that's one of those "had to be balanced for the game" things.

[cool breeze]

which video has the flamethrower?

I'm curious to see if it looks good in this game since I think most games end up having a pretty lame looking flame thrower.  Gears 2 looks like it was spitting orange textures at people, not that it mattered considering how fun it was to use.  Far Cry 2 seemed to have a good one in old trailers.  Halo 3 also surprisingly had a good one.

[Kestastrophe]

I don't think the flame effects look very good, from the flame thrower or explosions. The smoke effects are great though

[cool breeze]

Outside of the enemy reaction to looking burned and the actual model, that KZ2 flamethrower looks so bad. Hopefully it isn't final because how bad it looks compared to everything else is extremely jarring.  It's not even like the Resistance one where it has ashy spray, this is like a thin ashy line that goes downward.  Seriously looks horrible there.

[duckman2000]

You guys are crazy. It's actually working like a liquid, which alone sets it apart from the baseline blowtorch crud. It just needs some more pressure, and it will be golden. Right now it looks like a functional flamethrower, except of the Super Soaker variety.

[WrikaWrek]

Flamethrower is nothing special.

COD WOW, Gears 2, Halo 3, Far Cry 2 all had amazing flame throwers and i don't see anything worth talking about here.

[Tieno]

So apparantly the campaign has pointing arrow feature to show you the direction you're going, similar to PDZ.

[duckman2000]

So apparantly the campaign has pointing arrow feature to show you the direction you're going, similar to PDZ.

I haven't seen any of that in the videos. But then critics have been complaining about getting lost, so hey. Go critics, maybe by the time it launches they will have also narrowed down the levels and made the controls feel exactly like COD4.

[Tieno]

It's usually not a good sign of level design (in a lineair first person shooter) and they focus tested and people got lost.

[duckman2000]

I blame COD4 for dulling everyone into rejecting intricacy. Then again, I also never understood why PDZ had it either, the levels weren't that complex. Just add some faint map/radar, problem solved. As long as it's optional, and not of the sort that automatically enables arrows on lower difficulties.

[Tieno]

"a pointing arrow" (even if it's optional) is not always a sign of 'good complexity" (like in PDZ), the levels in PDZ were very bad and confusing designed and the pointing arrow was a bad bandaid.

We'll see how it plays out in KZ2.

[cool breeze]

So apparantly the campaign has pointing arrow feature to show you the direction you're going, similar to PDZ.

If you're talking about what they said on the 1upshow, it didn't seem like there was an arrow telling you where to go, but a a mark telling you were your waypoint/objective is like in pretty much every other game.  Of course I'm going by what they said since they didn't show any footage of it, so if there is footage that shows different, post it.  

[Tieno]

I could be misinterpreting it then as they didn't show any footage of it.